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September 04, 2023, 06:36:45 PM
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I am not fond of cockfighting but I see people who are madly in love with this kind of game.  They even have a farm for the fighting rooster and they take care of them way more than his family.  They will get their roosters checked if something goes wrong while neglecting his family's health.  I do not know what comes to the mind of these people since they treasure their fighting cocks way more than themselves and their families.

This can happen because the love for the fighting cocks is not more than the love for the family. However, because taking care of chickens is their job and they always have a reliable rooster to compete in cockfights and they also have fighting cocks for sale. so they pay so much attention to their pet chickens, because they can make money from there and that money is to meet their needs and that of their family. So we cannot say completely that those who like cockfighting tend not to care about their families.

First of all, This is gambling and wasting money for the rooster maintenance for preparation to fight is really a careless acts since you don’t know if the rooster will win when they put on the match.

Many locals in our area usually over spend on rooster petting since it requires tons of vitamins and special pellet to make the rooster stronger. Typically, most of the owner spend out of budget that leaves their family suffer. I will understand if the expenses is for the rooster sales but this is gambling which makes tem really careless because it’s not a source of income.
I don't think that's a problem. Indeed, the problem of caring for fighting cocks is quite expensive, because you have to buy vitamins, feed and so on. However, this is also comparable to the price of the chicken when it is about to be sold, especially when the chicken that is going to be sold has won several matches, so the price offered to buy the chicken is really fantastic. And this is a business.

Indeed there are some people who are more concerned with their pet chickens than their families. But we also cannot condemn everyone who does cockfighting like that.


See cockfighting can be as addictive as any other gambling or sportbetting hobby, but there is an important difference which separates cockfighting from those other activities, the owner of the rooster has some power over the outcome of the fight and so, over the chances of winning, so it is logical they take care of their animals as much as they do, because that can be the difference between winning an important amount of money or not.
I agree with this, maybe some people think it is a waste of time just to take care of roosters. However, for people who like cockfighting, they think that the fighting cock they own is very important and a valuable asset. Because they can get money from raising their fighting cocks and through the bets they make in cockfighting.

Not really a waste of time to take care of any animal, it is a problem of why are you taking care of them. It is like if you take care of a cow or a pig, the purpose is to eat it, so not really good nor bad just an utilitarian purpose. A different thing is treating the animals to fight and the like, which in my book is pretty much a bad thing.

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September 04, 2023, 06:54:57 PM
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Not really a waste of time to take care of any animal, it is a problem of why are you taking care of them. It is like if you take care of a cow or a pig, the purpose is to eat it, so not really good nor bad just an utilitarian purpose. A different thing is treating the animals to fight and the like, which in my book is pretty much a bad thing.
And this doesn't just happen with roosters, which are staged to make the chickens fight. However, there are many other types of animals such sheep, fish, bulls, and so on. Indeed, I also realize that fighting is an animal instinct, but in this case animals are forced to fight just for human pleasure. Likewise with several other types of animals. Humans catch them from the wild and educate them, sometimes humans do cruel things so that the animals they catch can be tame so they can later be staged. And it is done for money and human pleasure

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September 04, 2023, 07:07:52 PM
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Not really a waste of time to take care of any animal, it is a problem of why are you taking care of them. It is like if you take care of a cow or a pig, the purpose is to eat it, so not really good nor bad just an utilitarian purpose. A different thing is treating the animals to fight and the like, which in my book is pretty much a bad thing.
And this doesn't just happen with roosters, which are staged to make the chickens fight. However, there are many other types of animals such sheep, fish, bulls, and so on. Indeed, I also realize that fighting is an animal instinct, but in this case animals are forced to fight just for human pleasure.

We cannot stop animals from fighting because human do fight as well, but in this context we are discussing about, the sole purpose of breeding livestock is for human consumption, while some believed that if possible that these animals benefits the best life they have to live within the shortest period before their slaughter or before they die without going through the infliction from human being in using them to fight against themselves, but at the end, they can't escape our judgement of death for consumption.

Likewise with several other types of animals. Humans catch them from the wild and educate them, sometimes humans do cruel things so that the animals they catch can be tame so they can later be staged. And it is done for money and human pleasure

I don't understand something here, educate animals or what do you mean? I think it's better to use the word train than educate please.
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September 04, 2023, 10:22:30 PM
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Likewise with several other types of animals. Humans catch them from the wild and educate them, sometimes humans do cruel things so that the animals they catch can be tame so they can later be staged. And it is done for money and human pleasure

I don't understand something here, educate animals or what do you mean? I think it's better to use the word train than educate please.

Probably he is referring to taming and training them since the said animal is wild.  One cannot train an animal unless it gets tamed first especially if it was caught in the wild.

Animal lovers look at cockfighting as barbaric and inhumane but if the government had already legalized the said animal fight, then they could just submit a petition asking for banning the said cockfighting and wait for the result.  There is no need for these people to go out of the street and disrupt transportation and other normal activities.

I also dislike watching people having fun while animals are fighting for their lives.  But since it was legalized, I just avoid streams and channels that broadcast them.


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September 05, 2023, 04:30:53 AM
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Cockfighting also knows as "SABONG" IN Philippines chicken cock is used here and there is a blade on the foot of the chicken before the chicken is put into the fight there is something called conditioning of the chicken or training in the philippines SABONG is legal in coloseums there are prizes here there are so called fast skills which means which chicken can kill the opponent the fastest is the winner
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September 05, 2023, 09:43:52 AM
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Yes some places will have a cockfighting during their festival it's their traditions so we can't say that they can stop this traditions cause it will bound from their ancestors. And also in cock fighting if your rooster will win then the rest rooster from your opponent has been given to you so that you can cook and eat with your friends once you will win. Here in my country there are many gambler still gamble in cockfighting even though it will against the law if they don't have permit to operate.
If its something that do talks about being traditional then you could really expect that it would really be done or would really be getting out that kind of support or would really be doing it out and expect that there would really be some places on which arent really that licensed or having the permit and its not really that a shocking situation on which they would really be thinking up that having those permits would really be getting a huge cut when it comes to their overall revenue. If you are a gambler or really that a fan of cockfighting then it would be always advisable that you should really be that going into those places on which are legal and permitted so that incase theres a raid then you wont really be putting up yourself on so much trouble,

There are indeed things in life on which it cant really be something be stopped just because it had been instilled into heir cultural aspect and been part
of the tradition whether it would really be on some fiestas or some gatherings or whatever event it would be. Just like been said that this is really that truly that popular or eastern countries specially on Asia on which cockfighting brings out that kind of interest on which it is really that something that
lots of people been entertained. Speaking about online sites or platforms that do offer such thing then there are sure that existing but it would be better
on sticking into those places which are regulated or having the permission to operate so that it would be considered to be legal and you wont be putting yourself on such possible problem.
Despite the fact that all of us here in the topic are talking about the fact that cockfighting is a centuries-old tradition in many countries of the world and its preservation is the preservation of the cultural traditions of many peoples and communities. 
But in any case, time passes, civilization develops and traditions gradually change, and those that are associated with great cruelty are gradually becoming a thing of the past.  So it was for example with gladiator fights in ancient Rome.  Then, much later, the knightly tournaments that took place everywhere in Europe in the Middle Ages were similarly canceled. 
Here is such a tradition as cockfighting, I also think it will gradually disappear from the life of even these peoples, where they consider it an unshakable tradition. 
But of course it doesn't happen that fast.  This happens over periods of life of several generations of people.

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September 05, 2023, 11:38:04 AM
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Cockfighting also knows as "SABONG" IN Philippines chicken cock is used here and there is a blade on the foot of the chicken before the chicken is put into the fight there is something called conditioning of the chicken or training in the philippines SABONG is legal in coloseums there are prizes here there are so called fast skills which means which chicken can kill the opponent the fastest is the winner
Maybe if it is better to read the whole thread first before posting , OP is not asking about the definition of Cockfight or anything in that concern , but about the operation instead.
Likewise with several other types of animals. Humans catch them from the wild and educate them, sometimes humans do cruel things so that the animals they catch can be tame so they can later be staged. And it is done for money and human pleasure

I don't understand something here, educate animals or what do you mean? I think it's better to use the word train than educate please.

Probably he is referring to taming and training them since the said animal is wild.  One cannot train an animal unless it gets tamed first especially if it was caught in the wild.
correct , it is referring to be Training but the problem is that I believe that Wild chicken aren't the one who used in  cockfight instead those already breed and with blood lines.

I don;t know in remote places or in mountain places if they are using wild chicken to put in arena.

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I also dislike watching people having fun while animals are fighting for their lives.  But since it was legalized, I just avoid streams and channels that broadcast them.


well, if we are not a animal fight lover then there is no need to watch nor connected to those king.

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Not really a waste of time to take care of any animal, it is a problem of why are you taking care of them. It is like if you take care of a cow or a pig, the purpose is to eat it, so not really good nor bad just an utilitarian purpose. A different thing is treating the animals to fight and the like, which in my book is pretty much a bad thing.
And this doesn't just happen with roosters, which are staged to make the chickens fight. However, there are many other types of animals such sheep, fish, bulls, and so on. Indeed, I also realize that fighting is an animal instinct, but in this case animals are forced to fight just for human pleasure. Likewise with several other types of animals. Humans catch them from the wild and educate them, sometimes humans do cruel things so that the animals they catch can be tame so they can later be staged. And it is done for money and human pleasure

Done for money and pleasure, human did this kind of things to satisfy that lust, a culture that being practice continually. It's tough to justify whatever the reason from both pro and against to this kind of practices, but in terms of gambling we really see that those kinds of actions are present with people who lives mostly from the rural location or small towns, a habitual practices that being present as part of their gambling entertainment. Justification is for those who gave their own opinions and we know we will hear or read different overviews regarding to his kind of actions.

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September 05, 2023, 01:41:27 PM
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Not really a waste of time to take care of any animal, it is a problem of why are you taking care of them. It is like if you take care of a cow or a pig, the purpose is to eat it, so not really good nor bad just an utilitarian purpose. A different thing is treating the animals to fight and the like, which in my book is pretty much a bad thing.
And this doesn't just happen with roosters, which are staged to make the chickens fight. However, there are many other types of animals such sheep, fish, bulls, and so on. Indeed, I also realize that fighting is an animal instinct, but in this case animals are forced to fight just for human pleasure.

We cannot stop animals from fighting because human do fight as well, but in this context we are discussing about, the sole purpose of breeding livestock is for human consumption, while some believed that if possible that these animals benefits the best life they have to live within the shortest period before their slaughter or before they die without going through the infliction from human being in using them to fight against themselves, but at the end, they can't escape our judgement of death for consumption.
To be honest, if you look at it ethically or not, of course this is not ethical, because they are forced and trained to fight deliberately to reap profits, from humans who want the pleasure of betting on things that are quite cruel like this, there are several cases of them being placed in sharp weapons, and the one who dies is the loser, my instincts say that this is cruelty even though basically animals will literally be killed because humans also consume them.

Likewise with several other types of animals. Humans catch them from the wild and educate them, sometimes humans do cruel things so that the animals they catch can be tame so they can later be staged. And it is done for money and human pleasure
I don't understand something here, educate animals or what do you mean? I think it's better to use the word train than educate please.
Probably he is referring to taming and training them since the said animal is wild.  One cannot train an animal unless it gets tamed first especially if it was caught in the wild.

Animal lovers look at cockfighting as barbaric and inhumane but if the government had already legalized the said animal fight, then they could just submit a petition asking for banning the said cockfighting and wait for the result.  There is no need for these people to go out of the street and disrupt transportation and other normal activities.

I also dislike watching people having fun while animals are fighting for their lives.  But since it was legalized, I just avoid streams and channels that broadcast them.
What you say is true, they are domesticated, trained and given nutrition so that they are stronger in battle, this is not more like torture in my opinion, but if you only focus on fighting/competition on the beauty of sound, appearance and activities without compromising the safety of animals , in my opinion it is more natural and better than having them as a fighter between life and death in a match.

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September 05, 2023, 04:11:39 PM
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Despite the fact that all of us here in the topic are talking about the fact that cockfighting is a centuries-old tradition in many countries of the world and its preservation is the preservation of the cultural traditions of many peoples and communities. 
But in any case, time passes, civilization develops and traditions gradually change, and those that are associated with great cruelty are gradually becoming a thing of the past.  So it was for example with gladiator fights in ancient Rome.  Then, much later, the knightly tournaments that took place everywhere in Europe in the Middle Ages were similarly canceled. 
Here is such a tradition as cockfighting, I also think it will gradually disappear from the life of even these peoples, where they consider it an unshakable tradition. 
But of course it doesn't happen that fast.  This happens over periods of life of several generations of people.
These blood sports evolved into online gambling. While we consider cockfighting and gladiator conflicts, society has moved away from physical damage for entertainment. We can see why online gambling is appealing—its fun without risk. Thrill from chance and strategy, not animal pain.

If society wants more ethical entertainment, online gambling may be it. However, approaching it with understanding and prudence is crucial. You must comprehend risks and make informed judgments.

We may be following social norms by shifting our natural desire to competition from brutal methods to safe and controlled places like online casinos. Remember, the house always wins, so gamble prudently.

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September 05, 2023, 06:05:56 PM
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Not really a waste of time to take care of any animal, it is a problem of why are you taking care of them. It is like if you take care of a cow or a pig, the purpose is to eat it, so not really good nor bad just an utilitarian purpose. A different thing is treating the animals to fight and the like, which in my book is pretty much a bad thing.
Not all animals that are kept and bred are only intended for consumption, such as cows and so on. However, there are animals that are kept as decorations like fish, whose selling value can even be up to hundreds of dollars or even more. And there are also animals that are deliberately kept as fighting animals, such as fighting cocks/Bangkok chickens, which are the same as ornamental animals that can provide a very high selling value of up to hundreds of dollars or even more if the chicken has succeeded in winning several cockfighting competitions. So as long as "cockfighting" continues to be preserved and has many fans, then the selling price of the chicken will also be higher. So keeping fighting cocks for people who understand and cultivate them is very promising.

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September 05, 2023, 06:20:42 PM
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Not really a waste of time to take care of any animal, it is a problem of why are you taking care of them. It is like if you take care of a cow or a pig, the purpose is to eat it, so not really good nor bad just an utilitarian purpose. A different thing is treating the animals to fight and the like, which in my book is pretty much a bad thing.
Not all animals that are kept and bred are only intended for consumption, such as cows and so on. However, there are animals that are kept as decorations like fish, whose selling value can even be up to hundreds of dollars or even more. And there are also animals that are deliberately kept as fighting animals, such as fighting cocks/Bangkok chickens, which are the same as ornamental animals that can provide a very high selling value of up to hundreds of dollars or even more if the chicken has succeeded in winning several cockfighting competitions. So as long as "cockfighting" continues to be preserved and has many fans, then the selling price of the chicken will also be higher. So keeping fighting cocks for people who understand and cultivate them is very promising.
Well, I agree with you though, but I must mention that all this animals you mentioned that are being kept for decoration for for fighting only have that liberty due to the country they are or live in, for a country like mine, every edible animal is meat, what ever type of fish or cock and what ever, they are all meat as long as they are edible, even rams that are sometimes engaged in a fight competition during festive periods in some part of the country, most especially in remote areas, still end up being killed and made meat for consumption at the end of the day, regardless of whether the ram was able to beat other rams or not.

Anyways, like I think I've stated on this thread before, the world consist of people with diverse believes and cultures, we see and believe in things differently, so its very understandable to know that some countries of the world do have such regards for animals believed to be good in fighting.

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September 05, 2023, 07:27:39 PM
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Not really a waste of time to take care of any animal, it is a problem of why are you taking care of them. It is like if you take care of a cow or a pig, the purpose is to eat it, so not really good nor bad just an utilitarian purpose. A different thing is treating the animals to fight and the like, which in my book is pretty much a bad thing.
Not all animals that are kept and bred are only intended for consumption, such as cows and so on. However, there are animals that are kept as decorations like fish, whose selling value can even be up to hundreds of dollars or even more. And there are also animals that are deliberately kept as fighting animals, such as fighting cocks/Bangkok chickens, which are the same as ornamental animals that can provide a very high selling value of up to hundreds of dollars or even more if the chicken has succeeded in winning several cockfighting competitions. So as long as "cockfighting" continues to be preserved and has many fans, then the selling price of the chicken will also be higher. So keeping fighting cocks for people who understand and cultivate them is very promising.
Well, I agree with you though, but I must mention that all this animals you mentioned that are being kept for decoration for for fighting only have that liberty due to the country they are or live in, for a country like mine, every edible animal is meat, what ever type of fish or cock and what ever, they are all meat as long as they are edible, even rams that are sometimes engaged in a fight competition during festive periods in some part of the country, most especially in remote areas, still end up being killed and made meat for consumption at the end of the day, regardless of whether the ram was able to beat other rams or not.

Anyways, like I think I've stated on this thread before, the world consist of people with diverse believes and cultures, we see and believe in things differently, so its very understandable to know that some countries of the world do have such regards for animals believed to be good in fighting.

Chickens, roosters are an option of animals that are worthy to eat, of course, but I prefer to see things from the point of view that it is something a very voracious attraction of how they can make animals suffer, and it is Something that I can't agree with, because first it makes me feel sorry, and secondly, is there someone who likes to see that? I don't understand such morbidity, but each person in the world has very different tastes, so what I think is that Gauls should not be legal, because they are domestic or house animals to raise young or something like that, that is what I see, it's like putting cats to fight, dogs to fight to the death, and it's a very violent act, and it's very good for Making bets , but too cruel in my opinion.
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September 05, 2023, 09:10:23 PM
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 -I don't understand such morbidity, but each person in the world has very different tastes, so what I think is that Gauls should not be legal, because they are domestic or house animals to raise young or something like that, that is what I see, it's like putting cats to fight, dogs to fight to the death, and it's a very violent act, and it's very good for Making bets , but too cruel in my opinion.

Actually, if you keep in mind the history of morbid entertainment so many civilizations through human history have partaken in, it is not actually surprising there is people willing to sacrifice the well being of animals for the sake of entertainment and betting. It was not so long ago when people were forced to fight to death, once that became unacceptable within the western societies, then people who still have such a morbid need to bet on fights had to move onto dog fights and cockfighting.

Fortunately, most of society is aware of the implicit suffering of killing animals for entertainment and we can opt for non lethal approaches, like boxing.

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September 05, 2023, 09:17:57 PM
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Not really a waste of time to take care of any animal, it is a problem of why are you taking care of them. It is like if you take care of a cow or a pig, the purpose is to eat it, so not really good nor bad just an utilitarian purpose. A different thing is treating the animals to fight and the like, which in my book is pretty much a bad thing.
Not all animals that are kept and bred are only intended for consumption, such as cows and so on. However, there are animals that are kept as decorations like fish, whose selling value can even be up to hundreds of dollars or even more. And there are also animals that are deliberately kept as fighting animals, such as fighting cocks/Bangkok chickens, which are the same as ornamental animals that can provide a very high selling value of up to hundreds of dollars or even more if the chicken has succeeded in winning several cockfighting competitions. So as long as "cockfighting" continues to be preserved and has many fans, then the selling price of the chicken will also be higher. So keeping fighting cocks for people who understand and cultivate them is very promising.
I have a dog at home and i keep it mainly for pet and security, haven't invested a lot into the dog language learning and his signs understanding i don't think i could possibly categorize my dog as animal for consumption or fighting even though dogs can be used for both reasons just like cock that is being mentioned in this thread and so you are right on the assumption that individuals have different reasons and motives for keeping such animals and one can not deny them if that right, unless in countries where there are animals laws.

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September 05, 2023, 09:24:24 PM
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Not really a waste of time to take care of any animal, it is a problem of why are you taking care of them. It is like if you take care of a cow or a pig, the purpose is to eat it, so not really good nor bad just an utilitarian purpose. A different thing is treating the animals to fight and the like, which in my book is pretty much a bad thing.
Not all animals that are kept and bred are only intended for consumption, such as cows and so on. However, there are animals that are kept as decorations like fish, whose selling value can even be up to hundreds of dollars or even more. And there are also animals that are deliberately kept as fighting animals, such as fighting cocks/Bangkok chickens, which are the same as ornamental animals that can provide a very high selling value of up to hundreds of dollars or even more if the chicken has succeeded in winning several cockfighting competitions. So as long as "cockfighting" continues to be preserved and has many fans, then the selling price of the chicken will also be higher. So keeping fighting cocks for people who understand and cultivate them is very promising.
Well, I agree with you though, but I must mention that all this animals you mentioned that are being kept for decoration for for fighting only have that liberty due to the country they are or live in, for a country like mine, every edible animal is meat, what ever type of fish or cock and what ever, they are all meat as long as they are edible, even rams that are sometimes engaged in a fight competition during festive periods in some part of the country, most especially in remote areas, still end up being killed and made meat for consumption at the end of the day, regardless of whether the ram was able to beat other rams or not.

Anyways, like I think I've stated on this thread before, the world consist of people with diverse believes and cultures, we see and believe in things differently, so its very understandable to know that some countries of the world do have such regards for animals believed to be good in fighting.

Chickens, roosters are an option of animals that are worthy to eat, of course, but I prefer to see things from the point of view that it is something a very voracious attraction of how they can make animals suffer, and it is Something that I can't agree with, because first it makes me feel sorry, and secondly, is there someone who likes to see that? I don't understand such morbidity, but each person in the world has very different tastes, so what I think is that Gauls should not be legal, because they are domestic or house animals to raise young or something like that, that is what I see, it's like putting cats to fight, dogs to fight to the death, and it's a very violent act, and it's very good for Making bets , but too cruel in my opinion.
Based up on history.

There is evidence that cockfighting was a pastime in the Indus Valley civilization. The Encyclopædia Britannica (2008) holds: The sport was popular in ancient times in India, China, Persia, and other Eastern countries and was introduced into Ancient Greece in the time of Themistocles (c. 524–460 BC).
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Animal livestock is really meant for that supply but since male chickens could really be used as a gaming fowl then this is where idea been mold up.
Turns out to be cruel but this had been long time existed and its been adopted and passed up generations to generations until now.
Sometimes i do say that animal cruelty kind of act is a bit that too exaggerated even on things which arent supposed to be included.  Tongue

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September 06, 2023, 12:54:48 AM
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Chickens, roosters are an option of animals that are worthy to eat, of course, but I prefer to see things from the point of view that it is something a very voracious attraction of how they can make animals suffer, and it is Something that I can't agree with, because first it makes me feel sorry, and secondly, is there someone who likes to see that? I don't understand such morbidity, but each person in the world has very different tastes, so what I think is that Gauls should not be legal, because they are domestic or house animals to raise young or something like that, that is what I see, it's like putting cats to fight, dogs to fight to the death, and it's a very violent act, and it's very good for Making bets , but too cruel in my opinion.
The sensibilities of people change over the course of time, so what we consider to be right now is not what people on the past considered to be right, I am sure that many years ago people did not thought too much about putting two different animals to fight but now we are against it.

Now there are even some people that are against sports like boxing, but I think that is different as those fighting above a ring know very well what they are doing and the consequences they may face on the future, while an animal does not have any option to refuse to fight if their owners force them.
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September 06, 2023, 01:21:55 AM
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Not really a waste of time to take care of any animal, it is a problem of why are you taking care of them. It is like if you take care of a cow or a pig, the purpose is to eat it, so not really good nor bad just an utilitarian purpose. A different thing is treating the animals to fight and the like, which in my book is pretty much a bad thing.
Not all animals that are kept and bred are only intended for consumption, such as cows and so on. However, there are animals that are kept as decorations like fish, whose selling value can even be up to hundreds of dollars or even more. And there are also animals that are deliberately kept as fighting animals, such as fighting cocks/Bangkok chickens, which are the same as ornamental animals that can provide a very high selling value of up to hundreds of dollars or even more if the chicken has succeeded in winning several cockfighting competitions. So as long as "cockfighting" continues to be preserved and has many fans, then the selling price of the chicken will also be higher. So keeping fighting cocks for people who understand and cultivate them is very promising.
Well, I agree with you though, but I must mention that all this animals you mentioned that are being kept for decoration for for fighting only have that liberty due to the country they are or live in, for a country like mine, every edible animal is meat, what ever type of fish or cock and what ever, they are all meat as long as they are edible, even rams that are sometimes engaged in a fight competition during festive periods in some part of the country, most especially in remote areas, still end up being killed and made meat for consumption at the end of the day, regardless of whether the ram was able to beat other rams or not.

Anyways, like I think I've stated on this thread before, the world consist of people with diverse believes and cultures, we see and believe in things differently, so its very understandable to know that some countries of the world do have such regards for animals believed to be good in fighting.

Chickens, roosters are an option of animals that are worthy to eat, of course, but I prefer to see things from the point of view that it is something a very voracious attraction of how they can make animals suffer, and it is Something that I can't agree with, because first it makes me feel sorry, and secondly, is there someone who likes to see that? I don't understand such morbidity, but each person in the world has very different tastes, so what I think is that Gauls should not be legal, because they are domestic or house animals to raise young or something like that, that is what I see, it's like putting cats to fight, dogs to fight to the death, and it's a very violent act, and it's very good for Making bets , but too cruel in my opinion.

It is really a sad truth because in our country, it is normal. I mean, there are huge arenas on this, and the bets are millions. Also,  there are farms on those fighting chickens to make them good at fighting. It is really normal here, but even I don't understand it, and I've only seen it, but most of the people are cheering when the fight is going on, and they are enjoying it. Even for myself, I can't even kill a chicken just to cook it because it is very violent to me.
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Cockfighting also knows as "SABONG" IN Philippines chicken cock is used here and there is a blade on the foot of the chicken before the chicken is put into the fight there is something called conditioning of the chicken or training in the philippines SABONG is legal in coloseums there are prizes here there are so called fast skills which means which chicken can kill the opponent the fastest is the winner
Yes there's a place where this game will consider as Legal because they have the documents or Permit and yes in the Arena gamblers can win big amounts of money once they will become a champion but not just that cause a Filipino is a Filipino every festival there's a hidden cock fighting in every barangays which is without supporting documents in shorts illegal and we can not deny the the fact that there are many gambler who gamble even though they knew already that is and illegal.
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September 06, 2023, 05:54:16 AM
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Not really a waste of time to take care of any animal, it is a problem of why are you taking care of them. It is like if you take care of a cow or a pig, the purpose is to eat it, so not really good nor bad just an utilitarian purpose. A different thing is treating the animals to fight and the like, which in my book is pretty much a bad thing.
Not all animals that are kept and bred are only intended for consumption, such as cows and so on. However, there are animals that are kept as decorations like fish, whose selling value can even be up to hundreds of dollars or even more. And there are also animals that are deliberately kept as fighting animals, such as fighting cocks/Bangkok chickens, which are the same as ornamental animals that can provide a very high selling value of up to hundreds of dollars or even more if the chicken has succeeded in winning several cockfighting competitions. So as long as "cockfighting" continues to be preserved and has many fans, then the selling price of the chicken will also be higher. So keeping fighting cocks for people who understand and cultivate them is very promising.
Well, I agree with you though, but I must mention that all this animals you mentioned that are being kept for decoration for for fighting only have that liberty due to the country they are or live in, for a country like mine, every edible animal is meat, what ever type of fish or cock and what ever, they are all meat as long as they are edible, even rams that are sometimes engaged in a fight competition during festive periods in some part of the country, most especially in remote areas, still end up being killed and made meat for consumption at the end of the day, regardless of whether the ram was able to beat other rams or not.

Anyways, like I think I've stated on this thread before, the world consist of people with diverse believes and cultures, we see and believe in things differently, so its very understandable to know that some countries of the world do have such regards for animals believed to be good in fighting.

Chickens, roosters are an option of animals that are worthy to eat, of course, but I prefer to see things from the point of view that it is something a very voracious attraction of how they can make animals suffer, and it is Something that I can't agree with, because first it makes me feel sorry, and secondly, is there someone who likes to see that? I don't understand such morbidity, but each person in the world has very different tastes, so what I think is that Gauls should not be legal, because they are domestic or house animals to raise young or something like that, that is what I see, it's like putting cats to fight, dogs to fight to the death, and it's a very violent act, and it's very good for Making bets , but too cruel in my opinion.

It is really a sad truth because in our country, it is normal. I mean, there are huge arenas on this, and the bets are millions. Also,  there are farms on those fighting chickens to make them good at fighting. It is really normal here, but even I don't understand it, and I've only seen it, but most of the people are cheering when the fight is going on, and they are enjoying it. Even for myself, I can't even kill a chicken just to cook it because it is very violent to me.

Yep its a blood sport they say. The tradition is more important that it needs to be passed on which is its been done since time. Its in the nature of roosters to fight each other though. Just leave 2 roosters in a 100 sqm, eventually they will meet and fight to death for no reason.

Chickens can reproduce as fast as rabbits so its not gonna be a problem if everyday chickens are killed in fighting and then eaten. AFAIK, the rooster who dies in a fight can still be cooked in fact it part of the bet and the dead rooster given to the winner.




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