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September 20, 2023, 02:30:52 PM
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However, here I just found out that cockfighting activities are part of religious ritual activities, because as far as I know, cockfighting activities are cultural ritual activities or customs.
There is no religion whatsoever holding cockfights, it's strange and it doesn't even sound very good, especially when it comes to religion, of course it won't be connected with gambling, all things that are gambling must be separated from religion because it is very contradictory and will not be in harmony, I think you are right that that is is a cultural ritual or local custom, that's why cockfighting games only exist in villages, not in big cities.

In my country, cockfighting has been called illegal gambling, they even play cockfighting deep in the forest so they are not easily detected by security forces, but recently they were disbanded after being detected, I also think it seems that cockfighting is not suitable to be added to crypto casinos because it concerns animals and sacrificing animals to death.  Cheesy

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September 20, 2023, 02:38:41 PM
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It is true that "cockfighting" only exists in a few places in this part of the world, because several regions and countries strongly oppose cockfighting activities carried out by some people through policies issued by the government. And to overcome illegal cockfighting, we only need stricter law enforcement, because law enforcement in several countries and regions can still be lobbied again and there are also many law enforcement officers who protect cockfighting activities.
On few occasions I have been privileged to witness this cockfight,  since this discussion began a few weeks ago,  but then at some point it still ball down to the fact that cockfighting only exist in some premitive location around the world,  some are in villages that have some level of f traditional settings that allow for some local games,  in the northern part in my country there use to have arranged cock games and this normally happens during some form of religion events that happened at seasonal period.
cockfighting is local culture. However, as time goes by, many people are interested in cockfighting, it is not only held in certain areas but has been held in several countries. And currently, through several considerations, some countries have made a policy that cockfighting is an illegal activity that is contrary to regulations and legislation. so that in the end cockfighting returned to being a local activity held in certain places.

However, here I just found out that cockfighting activities are part of religious ritual activities, because as far as I know, cockfighting activities are cultural ritual activities or customs.

If we are considering the entertainment aspect of it, cock fighting could be that lovely in giving fun we wanted to have in gambling, as for those in local settings, this is more predominant to the region underdeveloped, on the same view cock fighting is eady to predict base o their physical strength, we can grade a cock with it's experience in fighting and how it appears, but when we are to consider the law and regulations that guides the livestocks, their use may not be permitted in most developed countries because they believed it's a form of abuse.
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September 20, 2023, 03:29:00 PM
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cockfighting is local culture. However, as time goes by, many people are interested in cockfighting, it is not only held in certain areas but has been held in several countries. And currently, through several considerations, some countries have made a policy that cockfighting is an illegal activity that is contrary to regulations and legislation. so that in the end cockfighting returned to being a local activity held in certain places.

However, here I just found out that cockfighting activities are part of religious ritual activities, because as far as I know, cockfighting activities are cultural ritual activities or customs.
If we talk about cultural rituals or customs or religious ritual activities, it may be more difficult to prohibit them because society will reject them. Regulators also can't do anything because they are part of that society where they sometimes still participate in religious rituals. So it doesn't seem like it can be banned or even abolished unless there is an agreement with the traditional elders, but it seems difficult.

With the ban on cockfighting in several countries, people are looking for safe locations to continue betting on cockfights. That way, they can still bet without being noticed by local regulators, even though they could be jailed for breaking the rules if caught. And it seems they also didn't think about what would happen if they were caught later because they only thought about continuing their cockfighting bets.

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September 20, 2023, 03:38:31 PM
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However, here I just found out that cockfighting activities are part of religious ritual activities, because as far as I know, cockfighting activities are cultural ritual activities or customs.

I do not think cockfighting has much to do with religion. Perhaps, it had something something to do with pagan rituals or Gods before the Era of Christianity, back there in the old continent.

Nowadays, it is mostly about entertainment and a ways to make money. Though, I agree that cockfighting is a cultural thing, and therefore comes the debate of tradition vs science/logic. Is it worth to keep a tradition which celebrates the death and suffering of living creatures which we consider to be "of lesser value to us"?

It also reminds me a tradition from Denmark, in a place called "Faroe Islands" where in order to be considered a man there, the youth is expected to brutally kill dolphins by the shore until water turns completely red...

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September 20, 2023, 11:37:14 PM
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Cock fighting used to be a recreational sport long ago but nowadays cock fighting is not very common especially in rural areas where only one or two such competitions are held. But I can't say for sure if there is any gambling around it. However, cockfighting is still organized as a primitive practice in many countries.

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September 20, 2023, 11:48:06 PM
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Cock fighting used to be a recreational sport long ago but nowadays cock fighting is not very common especially in rural areas where only one or two such competitions are held.
This depends on where you live, in my country it's not just a recreational sport but it has become a tradition so it's never going to be gone. It's even more often in rural areas since there's not that much entertainment and things to do in those places.

But I can't say for sure if there is any gambling around it.
There is and what's sad is that there's a need to spill blood for every fight these cocks do and one will die but there were instances that both dies.

However, cockfighting is still organized as a primitive practice in many countries.
And it is being passed on to the new generation.

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September 20, 2023, 11:48:31 PM
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It is true that "cockfighting" only exists in a few places in this part of the world, because several regions and countries strongly oppose cockfighting activities carried out by some people through policies issued by the government. And to overcome illegal cockfighting, we only need stricter law enforcement, because law enforcement in several countries and regions can still be lobbied again and there are also many law enforcement officers who protect cockfighting activities.
On few occasions I have been privileged to witness this cockfight,  since this discussion began a few weeks ago,  but then at some point it still ball down to the fact that cockfighting only exist in some premitive location around the world,  some are in villages that have some level of f traditional settings that allow for some local games,  in the northern part in my country there use to have arranged cock games and this normally happens during some form of religion events that happened at seasonal period.
cockfighting is local culture. However, as time goes by, many people are interested in cockfighting, it is not only held in certain areas but has been held in several countries. And currently, through several considerations, some countries have made a policy that cockfighting is an illegal activity that is contrary to regulations and legislation. so that in the end cockfighting returned to being a local activity held in certain places.

However, here I just found out that cockfighting activities are part of religious ritual activities, because as far as I know, cockfighting activities are cultural ritual activities or customs.

If we are considering the entertainment aspect of it, cock fighting could be that lovely in giving fun we wanted to have in gambling, as for those in local settings, this is more predominant to the region underdeveloped, on the same view cock fighting is eady to predict base o their physical strength, we can grade a cock with it's experience in fighting and how it appears, but when we are to consider the law and regulations that guides the livestocks, their use may not be permitted in most developed countries because they believed it's a form of abuse.
But some times even the physical look of the animal may deceive you into selecting the wrong cock to fight with if you are in a group betting,  sometime those cocks that have fought for a long time may look malnourished but then when it comes to fighting the can possible devour the most healthy looking cock within minutes.

And also their have the strength to fight for long time,  but those animals that are overfed are quick to get exhausted.
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September 21, 2023, 03:49:42 AM
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If you are a cockfighting lover and have had a lot of experience in cockfighting and the characteristics of superior cocks, you can easily find out the fighting quality of the cock itself if you pay attention to the cock physical appearance and the way it stands.
There are many characteristics of chickens that have advantages above average and can guarantee victory when fighting and I have heard from several cockfighting lovers that there are special characteristics when they want to win or bet money in a cockfighting match.

In crypto casinos I have never seen any cockfighting bets but in fiat online casinos there are lots of cockfighting bettors from several countries mentioned by the OP even the matches are national matches.
Maybe if there is a crypto casino that adds a cockfighting betting option it could provide special interest and surely many gamblers will be curious to try betting.

I have an experience on cockfighting because I was playing myself with my uncle during my childhood days. Cockfighters only have the advantage on the conditioning since most of them use same cock line-age which means the genes is almost of the same.

The performance of the cock is highly dependent on how you train it and what is the conditioning type you’ve done such as vitamins and diet just to have a perfect muscle for agility. We are using some vitamins to increase thickens the blood of the cock so that it will not suffer blood loss quickly when hit. Those form and body is just a physical appearance which often not an advantage in real battle.

My uncle has a long win streak on coliseum near us due to his special conditioning which he supposed to teach but I lost interest since I focus on study due to my parents strict supervision and warning.
It is true that the chicken way of fighting can be better and have a chance of winning by conditioning, caring for and training the chicken so that it can have very strong foot strikes in fact bloodline is also very influential in terms of the type of chicken and the body posture of the male.

Vitamins in the care of fighting cocks have always been the mainstay of every fighting cock owner so that the chickens they have can be faster in giving blows and not easily get tired or have short breaths because chickens that only have short breaths or get tired easily will often lower their heads and this is a fairly fatal weakness.
Some chickens are characterized by fatal blows or only blows from the neck to the head and being able to like this is not easy.

Out there cockfighting uses small blades that are attached to the chicken legs so that sometimes there is a luck factor that influences the winning performance when cocks are fought but in my country even though it is prohibited there are still some groups who secretly place bets on cockfights but really it really relies purely on the strength of the chicken itself because it doesn't use blades or anything else that could harm any chickens competing.

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September 21, 2023, 02:37:37 PM
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Cockfight emerged from one corner of the world and now it is spread all around the world. No part of the world is left, whether it is USA, Canada, United Kingdom or European Countries. What differ is the legal status and the importance it have got among the people. This is much followed by the Philippines people. Every region of the country have got arenas for cockfight. It is the country where big money is being circulated on betting over the roosters. In Philippines there are platforms that are dedicatedly operating to broadcast live fights and provide access for betting. Cockfight can be found to be legal in most of the Asian countries whereas in African countries it is very limited to two or three countries.

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September 21, 2023, 03:25:27 PM
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Cockfight emerged from one corner of the world and now it is spread all around the world. No part of the world is left, whether it is USA, Canada, United Kingdom or European Countries. What differ is the legal status and the importance it have got among the people. This is much followed by the Philippines people. Every region of the country have got arenas for cockfight. It is the country where big money is being circulated on betting over the roosters. In Philippines there are platforms that are dedicatedly operating to broadcast live fights and provide access for betting. Cockfight can be found to be legal in most of the Asian countries whereas in African countries it is very limited to two or three countries.
I may be interested to know where the game started from,  is it in the indian because that region is known for some fun seeking games and movies back then and having a cockfight may just be one of those indian funny games,  just saying anyways.

But then the game have indeed spread across other parts pf the world and Africa is one of the places where this game is actively played mostly in my country,  some part of the states have this game organized during their special festivals but most interested in this game are those who deal on livestock breeding and have farms that nurse such animals and once it is discovered that any of the animals have special strength and power,  that cock will be reserved and trained to fight occasional.
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September 21, 2023, 03:50:07 PM
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Cockfight emerged from one corner of the world and now it is spread all around the world. No part of the world is left, whether it is USA, Canada, United Kingdom or European Countries. What differ is the legal status and the importance it have got among the people. This is much followed by the Philippines people. Every region of the country have got arenas for cockfight. It is the country where big money is being circulated on betting over the roosters. In Philippines there are platforms that are dedicatedly operating to broadcast live fights and provide access for betting. Cockfight can be found to be legal in most of the Asian countries whereas in African countries it is very limited to two or three countries.
In the Philippines you can see many cock arena which is we all know that Philippines has a traditional celebration which every festival there's a cockfighting in arena and there's a big amount of money once you will win but it's hard to win once you don't have a conditioned an well trained cock cause some of the opponent you have is that a very know or big-time cock gambler.
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September 21, 2023, 03:53:27 PM
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cockfighting is local culture. However, as time goes by, many people are interested in cockfighting, it is not only held in certain areas but has been held in several countries. And currently, through several considerations, some countries have made a policy that cockfighting is an illegal activity that is contrary to regulations and legislation. so that in the end cockfighting returned to being a local activity held in certain places.

However, here I just found out that cockfighting activities are part of religious ritual activities, because as far as I know, cockfighting activities are cultural ritual activities or customs.
If we talk about cultural rituals or customs or religious ritual activities, it may be more difficult to prohibit them because society will reject them. Regulators also can't do anything because they are part of that society where they sometimes still participate in religious rituals. So it doesn't seem like it can be banned or even abolished unless there is an agreement with the traditional elders, but it seems difficult.

With the ban on cockfighting in several countries, people are looking for safe locations to continue betting on cockfights. That way, they can still bet without being noticed by local regulators, even though they could be jailed for breaking the rules if caught. And it seems they also didn't think about what would happen if they were caught later because they only thought about continuing their cockfighting bets.

Gamblers who loves betting will think of the consequences after they play, even it's being prohibited they will continue, I see some of the people in our community who still playing even they are just using a improvised arena and they illegally participating with such kind of cockfighting from the small vicinities they are not afraid even they know that there's a big risk and a possibility that they can be jailed once they caught in the act doing it or participating on it.

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September 21, 2023, 03:57:00 PM
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Cockfight emerged from one corner of the world and now it is spread all around the world. No part of the world is left, whether it is USA, Canada, United Kingdom or European Countries. What differ is the legal status and the importance it have got among the people. This is much followed by the Philippines people. Every region of the country have got arenas for cockfight. It is the country where big money is being circulated on betting over the roosters. In Philippines there are platforms that are dedicatedly operating to broadcast live fights and provide access for betting. Cockfight can be found to be legal in most of the Asian countries whereas in African countries it is very limited to two or three countries.
In the Philippines you can see many cock arena which is we all know that Philippines has a traditional celebration which every festival there's a cockfighting in arena and there's a big amount of money once you will win but it's hard to win once you don't have a conditioned an well trained cock cause some of the opponent you have is that a very know or big-time cock gambler.


This is a cruel sport and I don't even like watching it, betting on it is just out of question.

Cockfighting is now only a traditional sport and it is only being played at locations where it has a heritage history. Most of the time we will see that cockfighting is popular in rural areas or sometimes of villages where this sport has a tradition. Maybe this is the reason that we do not see any betting available for it on global betting sites. However i do not know if Philippines local betting sites includes betting on this sports or there may be offline bookies who arrange the bet on this sports.

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September 21, 2023, 04:09:40 PM
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cockfighting is local culture. However, as time goes by, many people are interested in cockfighting, it is not only held in certain areas but has been held in several countries. And currently, through several considerations, some countries have made a policy that cockfighting is an illegal activity that is contrary to regulations and legislation. so that in the end cockfighting returned to being a local activity held in certain places.

However, here I just found out that cockfighting activities are part of religious ritual activities, because as far as I know, cockfighting activities are cultural ritual activities or customs.
If we talk about cultural rituals or customs or religious ritual activities, it may be more difficult to prohibit them because society will reject them. Regulators also can't do anything because they are part of that society where they sometimes still participate in religious rituals. So it doesn't seem like it can be banned or even abolished unless there is an agreement with the traditional elders, but it seems difficult.

With the ban on cockfighting in several countries, people are looking for safe locations to continue betting on cockfights. That way, they can still bet without being noticed by local regulators, even though they could be jailed for breaking the rules if caught. And it seems they also didn't think about what would happen if they were caught later because they only thought about continuing their cockfighting bets.

Everyone have spoken well already, if we are considering the cultural aspect of using the cocks for their ritual rites, we could see that tis is something even the government cannot regulate, are we not also consuming these animals at our own convenient by feasting on them, what needs to be clear in this discuss is that we human have the right to execute judgement over every other living creatures, not only birds alone, but in making this happen, we must not be unjustifiable in every of our decision over the animals, we are expected to consume them and not to purnish them.

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September 21, 2023, 04:29:44 PM
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However, here I just found out that cockfighting activities are part of religious ritual activities, because as far as I know, cockfighting activities are cultural ritual activities or customs.
There is no religion whatsoever holding cockfights, it's strange and it doesn't even sound very good, especially when it comes to religion, of course it won't be connected with gambling, all things that are gambling must be separated from religion because it is very contradictory and will not be in harmony, I think you are right that that is is a cultural ritual or local custom, that's why cockfighting games only exist in villages, not in big cities.

In my country, cockfighting has been called illegal gambling, they even play cockfighting deep in the forest so they are not easily detected by security forces, but recently they were disbanded after being detected, I also think it seems that cockfighting is not suitable to be added to crypto casinos because it concerns animals and sacrificing animals to death.  Cheesy
It is true with what you say that when it is related to religion and part of religion, it will be very difficult to prohibit it. Because religious law cannot be contested even though the times have changed which is different from culture which can indeed be abolished because it is not in accordance with the development of your era and the culture contains negative things.

If we are considering the entertainment aspect of it, cock fighting could be that lovely in giving fun we wanted to have in gambling, as for those in local settings, this is more predominant to the region underdeveloped, on the same view cock fighting is eady to predict base o their physical strength, we can grade a cock with it's experience in fighting and how it appears, but when we are to consider the law and regulations that guides the livestocks, their use may not be permitted in most developed countries because they believed it's a form of abuse.
Yes, it is fun but it is not appropriate to show this because it contains negative things, namely violence against animals. not harassment because this is an animal not a woman or a child. And I don't think it's just underdeveloped areas that like cockfighting activities, even modern people who live in urban areas like cockfighting, and the exact reason why cockfighting is held in remote and rural areas, this is because it avoids law enforcement officials because in remote and rural areas law enforcement is not as strict as in urban areas.


I do not think cockfighting has much to do with religion. Perhaps, it had something something to do with pagan rituals or Gods before the Era of Christianity, back there in the old continent.
And it is true that no religion teaches evil including cockfighting.

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September 21, 2023, 04:37:45 PM
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I do not think cockfighting has much to do with religion. Perhaps, it had something something to do with pagan rituals or Gods before the Era of Christianity, back there in the old continent.
And it is true that no religion teaches evil including cockfighting.

Well, it mostly depends on your definition of "religion" and what your definition of "cult" is. Because, here in the Caribbean regions, it is relatively common to see some people who practice some folk religion which involves the worship on several deities and the sacrifice of animals, from chickens to dogs and cats, in order to gain favor from spirits.

And when I talk about this, I do not mean people who do it and do not talk about it, this is something which is well known to happen and because of it, when people give a black or white dog for adoption, they are careful to whom they give the animal to, because if given to the wrong person, that dog won't last a whole week before being offered as sacrifice in the backyard of some sick people...

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September 21, 2023, 07:23:25 PM
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but whether we like it or not, this has been happening for many years , even before our ancestors so lets accept that fact.
Yes... indeed cockfighting activities have been around for many years. However, these activities and culture are no longer suitable to be displayed and preserved, because they have a negative impact.

But here in our country, that's not happening in the provinces. Nowadays,  there is cockfighting online that can be downloaded to our mobile phones via the Play Store, and there are many options, but not in all places here. Cockfighting is not legal in our country because it depends on the covering locale.

It is true that "cockfighting" only exists in a few places in this part of the world, because several regions and countries strongly oppose cockfighting activities carried out by some people through policies issued by the government. And to overcome illegal cockfighting, we only need stricter law enforcement, because law enforcement in several countries and regions can still be lobbied again and there are also many law enforcement officers who protect cockfighting activities.
On few occasions I have been privileged to witness this cockfight,  since this discussion began a few weeks ago,  but then at some point it still ball down to the fact that cockfighting only exist in some premitive location around the world,  some are in villages that have some level of f traditional settings that allow for some local games,  in the northern part in my country there use to have arranged cock games and this normally happens during some form of religion events that happened at seasonal period.

The truth is, to be honest, I thought that this was only seen in the towns that are on these parts of South America. The truth is, I don't see these amenities in Europe, much less in the USA, nor in the most hidden county. The truth is, I don't see it, but at the same time know that many customs can be carried to other countries, it may be that someone from one side of these goes to another country and implements it and since everything is about betting, then consider suitable people who can be in this activity Actually, I haven't had the opportunity to see cockfights, in Colombia they are very common and usually combined with some alcohol, music, woman, this is the atmosphere that I have normally seen, but I haven't seen the cockfight as such.

I would think that when things involve animals and manifest a type of Suffering , Many things will be done to prevent it, currently there are many laws of Protection against animals, for dogs, cats, animals that are domestic, a rooster, Chickens, although they are domestic, also fall under that protection, because it becomes a bloody act where there is a dead, dead animal at the end, ethnocnes these types of things are the ones that Should be avoided so that they Cannot later do things later that they do not. want others, nor the person who is organizing these fights because he finds himself involved in a big problem, and could go to jail, then everything he says with animals, domestic and non-domestic, is very Delicate , I must be In a cockfight or something like that, I wouldn't be the organizer or anything, because in a possible area where there is an ambush by the police, due to a prior complaint, everyone goes to jail, and those who are organizers are the biggest Infractions in that case , so it Becomes something that does not make any sense to go against the Laws , that is something that has to be Recognized , depending on things because they must go hand in hand with the legality of each Country .


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September 21, 2023, 08:22:39 PM
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Cockfight emerged from one corner of the world and now it is spread all around the world. No part of the world is left, whether it is USA, Canada, United Kingdom or European Countries. What differ is the legal status and the importance it have got among the people. This is much followed by the Philippines people. Every region of the country have got arenas for cockfight. It is the country where big money is being circulated on betting over the roosters.
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"Spread all around"? Nope, no cockfighting in here, not even underground cockfighting. I am not sure where do you get your information, but people in overall aren't fans of animal cruelty. In fact they despite it. There's always one rando that gets off from it, and that's why there needs to be laws against it. But if anyone would got caught setting up underground cockfights in here, it would be end of their social life as media and public would absolutely destroy them.

If someone in here watched that online, they most likely wouldn't tell even their closest friends as they would be shamed for it. Rightfully so.

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September 21, 2023, 08:55:36 PM
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Cockfight emerged from one corner of the world and now it is spread all around the world. No part of the world is left, whether it is USA, Canada, United Kingdom or European Countries. What differ is the legal status and the importance it have got among the people. This is much followed by the Philippines people. Every region of the country have got arenas for cockfight. It is the country where big money is being circulated on betting over the roosters.
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"Spread all around"? Nope, no cockfighting in here, not even underground cockfighting. I am not sure where do you get your information, but people in overall aren't fans of animal cruelty. In fact they despite it. There's always one rando that gets off from it, and that's why there needs to be laws against it. But if anyone would got caught setting up underground cockfights in here, it would be end of their social life as media and public would absolutely destroy them.

If someone in here watched that online, they most likely wouldn't tell even their closest friends as they would be shamed for it. Rightfully so.
Yes, this isnt something thats popular in every corners of the world but rather it would really be just that on specific countries or places which it is really that been allowed. Its true that there are places which is really

that truly against animal cruelty and for sure this one would really be included on which it isnt surprising that this would really be getting that kind of bad comments and discrimination on how these things been allowed considering that making use of animals just to apply that gambling thing? Im that aware that there are really countries who do strictly prohibits about these stuffs on which its not shocking that it isnt really that
available on most parts or corners of the world. Well, if they do live in a country which this kind of gambling is really that known or popular then most likely they would really be getting influenced on playing
with it because it would really be impossible that you wont really be able to make or do such adaptation on whatever things that you do see around.

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September 21, 2023, 09:56:40 PM
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Cockfight emerged from one corner of the world and now it is spread all around the world. No part of the world is left, whether it is USA, Canada, United Kingdom or European Countries. What differ is the legal status and the importance it have got among the people. This is much followed by the Philippines people. Every region of the country have got arenas for cockfight. It is the country where big money is being circulated on betting over the roosters. In Philippines there are platforms that are dedicatedly operating to broadcast live fights and provide access for betting. Cockfight can be found to be legal in most of the Asian countries whereas in African countries it is very limited to two or three countries.
In the Philippines you can see many cock arena which is we all know that Philippines has a traditional celebration which every festival there's a cockfighting in arena and there's a big amount of money once you will win but it's hard to win once you don't have a conditioned an well trained cock cause some of the opponent you have is that a very know or big-time cock gambler.
In my area even if it's not festival as long as it has permit from the higher ups like by the municipality, these gamblers will meet there. For me, even if you don't have that fighting cock as long as you're there to bet onto those you'll be able to win as long as it favors you. The best thing about derby cocks is that fights are fast and has few intervals that's what these gamblers love when there's derby.
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