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October 14, 2023, 11:04:06 PM
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These cockfighting superstitions are  fallacy.  There are no proven statistics that prove that these superstitions really work.  Even my relative who used to raise fighting fowl has his own superstition but in the end stopped because most of his fowl lost.
I really don’t understand how these superstitions goes,
What is it about them? Like is it what you tell yourself or some phrase you get to repeat over and over before taking a bet or engaging your animals in such activity to make money off them and eventually turn them to food?

I see a lot of animal cruelty in that and don’t or wouldn’t want to encourage any form of cockfighting. Come on?
Everything could be simulated in this day? Why do we have to put these animals through these.

I’m not a veggie or anything but, I was thought not to play with good, let alone to gamble on them. Just eat the damned thing and get your gambling on a sportbookie or casino.

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October 15, 2023, 02:38:08 AM
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I heard that many of the crypto casinos were really considering it for a while, but in the end they were just chickens hahahaha  Wink
What you have heard is true, there was a time when cockfights were held in European countries and bets were placed on cockfights on casino platforms. These cockfights were essentially brutal killings so people could not tolerate them. This was the main reason why the government of the country banned this cockfight and casino companies banned this cockfight. However, this cock fight still happens in different parts of the country, but it is not very noticeable. This cock fight is seen in some regions of our country. The men there organize this cockfighting game to maintain this tradition of primitive civilization.
But cockfighting still exists in several Asian countries. The government may find it difficult to ban it because it has become a traditional part that may be difficult to eradicate from that country. People there already consider cockfighting as part of entertainment, so they still play it and bet on cockfights. The men still desire to maintain this tradition as part of their country's local culture, so this is still difficult for the government to ban. Even though the government has tried to ban it by closing cockfighting venues, later cockfighting venues will appear in other locations and become secret places that only a few people will know about.
Yes this cockfight is held in our country of Bangladesh and some places within the Asian continent. Also, this cockfight is held in other countries of the world. The government of our country does not take any action against this cockfight because this cockfight is not very common. People of some regions organize this event two or three times a year in keeping with their primitive civilization. That is why the government does not take much action against it.  It is not difficult at all for the government to ban this cockfight, the government can stop this cockfight in any way whenever it wants.

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October 15, 2023, 10:25:06 AM
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Yes this cockfight is held in our country of Bangladesh and some places within the Asian continent. Also, this cockfight is held in other countries of the world. The government of our country does not take any action against this cockfight because this cockfight is not very common. People of some regions organize this event two or three times a year in keeping with their primitive civilization. That is why the government does not take much action against it.  It is not difficult at all for the government to ban this cockfight, the government can stop this cockfight in any way whenever it wants.
That's because cockfighting may not be as popular as it used to be, and only local people still bet on cockfights. The government could ban cockfighting, but if there are more secret cockfighting venues, the government might have difficulty finding them. Those who play cockfighting can also continue betting in the places provided to make it easy for them. And the tradition of cockfighting in several countries will continue considering that it is part of their tradition, so local people still want to continue it.
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October 15, 2023, 12:29:22 PM
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Honestly some people here in my country have the mindset that Cock fighting is a business from them and yes we can not deny the fact that they are earnings thounds or even millions, cause reason of when they are participating a big event then their cock is the  champion then their name is become popular band once it will happen some gambler buy their rooster a big amount of money in order to have the same breeding. Which is the champion will take those opportunity to sell their rooster  even though it's over pricings.
That's surely a business, an underground business in most cases. In villages, where police rarely goes, people still do that, cockfighting and dogfighting. But in countries where it's massvely popular, that's a risky business too because if someone with influence and big money bets on your cock and it loses, they will kill you. That happens very often in Mexico.
In overall, I think that it's unacceptable when humans force animals to hurt it others and to fight till death.

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I don't know any joy that's in seeing animals fight and hurt each other just because you want to make money. How will you force animals to fight each other? Every government should just make activities like this illegal, and anybody caught participating in an event like this should be properly punished. I'm sure if there are strict rules, then it's going to limit people using animals to fight and gambling on them. Some people are just heartless, most of those animals do bleed, and some might even die due to pain. I also blame people who are always standing and looking at people using animals to fight, they are also supposed to be punished. How will you end up having joy when you are seeing animals being maltreated? It's totally wrong.
It's like watching an action move in real life for many people, there is an interest in brutality and bloody fights from people. It's a demand/supply, the difference between Mexico and other countries is that Mexican laws allow in some areas for cockfight and in other countries, law doesn't allow. If law was about to allow people to do such games, then we would see these matches massively, it's human nature, you can't change that.

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October 15, 2023, 01:14:23 PM
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What you have heard is true, there was a time when cockfights were held in European countries and bets were placed on cockfights on casino platforms. These cockfights were essentially brutal killings so people could not tolerate them. This was the main reason why the government of the country banned this cockfight and casino companies banned this cockfight. However, this cock fight still happens in different parts of the country, but it is not very noticeable. This cock fight is seen in some regions of our country. The men there organize this cockfighting game to maintain this tradition of primitive civilization.

Sorry to ask, but how was this bringing about brutal killing, or was this brutal killing on the cocks or humans who bet on which one is to win the ones who kill themselves over the cock, and beside, is the betting not meant to be something one place online? So if I'm to place a bet online for some cock to win over the other, I don't see who is betting for the opponent cock to win, so how can I go and have a violent argument with the person? I'm just a bit confused about how those work; that's why I asked.

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October 15, 2023, 01:53:43 PM
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I heard that many of the crypto casinos were really considering it for a while, but in the end they were just chickens hahahaha  Wink
What you have heard is true, there was a time when cockfights were held in European countries and bets were placed on cockfights on casino platforms. These cockfights were essentially brutal killings so people could not tolerate them. This was the main reason why the government of the country banned this cockfight and casino companies banned this cockfight. However, this cock fight still happens in different parts of the country, but it is not very noticeable. This cock fight is seen in some regions of our country. The men there organize this cockfighting game to maintain this tradition of primitive civilization.
When people realized that cockfighting was an act of indiscriminate killing, they moved away from the sport. If such a game is supposed to still be in vogue, I have not yet been able to witness it myself. It is said that in some rural areas this kind of game is played but it is limited. As a result, it is not possible to watch for everyone, even if it is played in a local area, it is not publicized in the media. Conducting such event in a casino game with such animals is difficult task. On the other hand, no casino company is interested. I think everyone should stay away from such games.
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October 15, 2023, 03:50:17 PM
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For those who are solid fan or enthusiast with cockfighting then they would really be surely making those actions on the time that they are seeing their own roosters is winning against the enemy on which punching in the air or jumping or whatever actions you would be making due to excitement could really be seen and would really be totally random.It is really just the same on other gambling or betting games on which your bet is really on the winning side which excitement and boost is there. About into those running times on the time that authority had caught them because of doing illegal match ups or betting then it would really be that something laughable to look or see at but of course they are really that fighting for their lives because once caught then you do know on whats next.  Grin
This cockfighting scene and its hype is crazy, right? You have this historical tradition and modern legal and ethical difficulties. (Thinking deeply.) Imagine a way to preserve excitement, community, and culture without harming the real world.

Imagine a virtual platform where you can train, breed, and fight digital roosters. Its virtual, so they have their own stats and skills and everything's fair! Strategy, breeding, conflicts, betting, and excitement continue without real animals being hurt. What do cockfighting veterans think about this digitalisation of their sport

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October 15, 2023, 04:05:19 PM
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Imagine a virtual platform where you can train, breed, and fight digital roosters. Its virtual, so they have their own stats and skills and everything's fair! Strategy, breeding, conflicts, betting, and excitement continue without real animals being hurt. What do cockfighting veterans think about this digitalisation of their sport
Actually, I have thought about this before and discussed it too, in the era of increasingly sophisticated technology, will they continue to use real animals to suffer from cockfighting betting, even though it could be developed like a virtual NFT where chickens can be bought according to the capabilities they have? so you can fight cockfights online at this online casino which is specifically for virtual cockfighting.

Where currently NFTs have become an alternative for gambling in the form of animals and for example I have seen a site where there is a horse racing competition where the horse is a virtual NFT that we can buy on Opensea and each NFT horse can compete with other NFT horses to get present. I think cockfighting can also be developed like that so that no animal has to be injured or hurt, let alone die because of fighting in gambling.

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October 15, 2023, 09:57:21 PM
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Yes this cockfight is held in our country of Bangladesh and some places within the Asian continent. Also, this cockfight is held in other countries of the world. The government of our country does not take any action against this cockfight because this cockfight is not very common. People of some regions organize this event two or three times a year in keeping with their primitive civilization. That is why the government does not take much action against it.  It is not difficult at all for the government to ban this cockfight, the government can stop this cockfight in any way whenever it wants.
That's because cockfighting may not be as popular as it used to be, and only local people still bet on cockfights. The government could ban cockfighting, but if there are more secret cockfighting venues, the government might have difficulty finding them. Those who play cockfighting can also continue betting in the places provided to make it easy for them. And the tradition of cockfighting in several countries will continue considering that it is part of their tradition, so local people still want to continue it.

Yes, on the note that even government ban this gambling practitioner will continue to play and will keep on looking for available venue to bet in, while for those who also supporting it due to their culture or it was been part of tradition they will just keep it alive,and for sure more gambling bankers would love to finance setup like this as they will continue to make money from those people or gamblers  that will continue to bet and support cockfighting games.

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For those who are solid fan or enthusiast with cockfighting then they would really be surely making those actions on the time that they are seeing their own roosters is winning against the enemy on which punching in the air or jumping or whatever actions you would be making due to excitement could really be seen and would really be totally random.It is really just the same on other gambling or betting games on which your bet is really on the winning side which excitement and boost is there. About into those running times on the time that authority had caught them because of doing illegal match ups or betting then it would really be that something laughable to look or see at but of course they are really that fighting for their lives because once caught then you do know on whats next.  Grin
This cockfighting scene and its hype is crazy, right? You have this historical tradition and modern legal and ethical difficulties. (Thinking deeply.) Imagine a way to preserve excitement, community, and culture without harming the real world.

Imagine a virtual platform where you can train, breed, and fight digital roosters. Its virtual, so they have their own stats and skills and everything's fair! Strategy, breeding, conflicts, betting, and excitement continue without real animals being hurt. What do cockfighting veterans think about this digitalisation of their sport
Indeed several countries have made cockfighting cultural tradition that is still being preserved but in some areas it is not for betting but more for entertainment and hobby but as the era progresses cockfighting is starting to be seen as means of betting and can involve very large amounts money.
But it seems like the hype about cockfighting only happens in certain areas because when you enter country that really has cultural tradition of cockfighting then there it not like the hype but it has become an unforgettable daily activity.

It seems like there will be no virtual cockfights that can train breeding and so on as you said because this is fight between two cocks that are being fought and there is special pride for the keeper or maker of fighting cocks because in cock that is ready for fighting there is enough streatmen complicated by training giving herbs or vitamins and also forming the chicken mentality.
If it is done virtually how can cockfighting fan get satisfaction when participating in cockfight?

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October 16, 2023, 08:10:01 AM
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Yes, on the note that even government ban this gambling practitioner will continue to play and will keep on looking for available venue to bet in, while for those who also supporting it due to their culture or it was been part of tradition they will just keep it alive,and for sure more gambling bankers would love to finance setup like this as they will continue to make money from those people or gamblers  that will continue to bet and support cockfighting games.
This is clear because cockfighting gambling practitioners are interconnected and can easily find cockfighting venues. They may also already have a cockfighting schedule, so they must have prepared everything before they went to the location. Gambling banks are also trying to provide cockfighting venues, considering many people still want to bet on cockfighting. And there may be government parties who hide these illegal things so they can continue.
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October 16, 2023, 08:27:56 AM
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Yes, on the note that even government ban this gambling practitioner will continue to play and will keep on looking for available venue to bet in, while for those who also supporting it due to their culture or it was been part of tradition they will just keep it alive,and for sure more gambling bankers would love to finance setup like this as they will continue to make money from those people or gamblers  that will continue to bet and support cockfighting games.
This is clear because cockfighting gambling practitioners are interconnected and can easily find cockfighting venues. They may also already have a cockfighting schedule, so they must have prepared everything before they went to the location. Gambling banks are also trying to provide cockfighting venues, considering many people still want to bet on cockfighting. And there may be government parties who hide these illegal things so they can continue.
Sorry but i personally do not see cockfighting as a game many people want to bet on as you have said, why do I think this?
First is that, there is no statistics anywhere showing that a lot of people are interested in betting on cockfighting, at least, none I know of, so in case you have such data on your disposal, please feel free to share it with us.

Secondly, take for instance that cockfighting becomes legal in every part of the world, that is, both international and local gambling casinos take cockfighting up and open betting on the game to every gambler out there in the world, trust me when i tell you that betting on this game can only thrive for a very little time, let's say a year to two, and gamblers will start losing interest, why, because  the life span of cocks are very little, and this will not allow gamblers to make a proper analysis of which cock stand a better chance of winning the fight before betting, this simply means that, majority of the time a gambler is betting on this fight, it will always be the gambler just guessing, no concrete assurance that he or she is sure of what he or she is betting on.

This can make gamblers lose interest in the shortest period of time, this is why i do not that a lot of people are willing to bet on cockfighing as you said.

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October 16, 2023, 10:09:16 AM
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Yes, on the note that even government ban this gambling practitioner will continue to play and will keep on looking for available venue to bet in, while for those who also supporting it due to their culture or it was been part of tradition they will just keep it alive,and for sure more gambling bankers would love to finance setup like this as they will continue to make money from those people or gamblers  that will continue to bet and support cockfighting games.
This is clear because cockfighting gambling practitioners are interconnected and can easily find cockfighting venues. They may also already have a cockfighting schedule, so they must have prepared everything before they went to the location. Gambling banks are also trying to provide cockfighting venues, considering many people still want to bet on cockfighting. And there may be government parties who hide these illegal things so they can continue.
Since cock fighting is an unpopular games, the players who also participate will be unpopular and only connect to each other through special means of communications, this is very important and straight for anyone to see and understand properly, although i have not seen such games in real live before and cockfighting sound unpopular to me at this point since this game is seen as illegal in my jurisdictions.


So for that, a few time i have to just read about it online and also watch some videos about cockfights, but even at that, the game is highly unpopular and its research results are not easy to come by at some point so this makes it hard for us to properly understand what the risk for this game is and how to handle them and what are their revenue generation or threat to an animals life.

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October 16, 2023, 12:15:15 PM
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Yes, on the note that even government ban this gambling practitioner will continue to play and will keep on looking for available venue to bet in, while for those who also supporting it due to their culture or it was been part of tradition they will just keep it alive,and for sure more gambling bankers would love to finance setup like this as they will continue to make money from those people or gamblers  that will continue to bet and support cockfighting games.
This is clear because cockfighting gambling practitioners are interconnected and can easily find cockfighting venues. They may also already have a cockfighting schedule, so they must have prepared everything before they went to the location. Gambling banks are also trying to provide cockfighting venues, considering many people still want to bet on cockfighting. And there may be government parties who hide these illegal things so they can continue.
Since cock fighting is an unpopular games, the players who also participate will be unpopular and only connect to each other through special means of communications, this is very important and straight for anyone to see and understand properly, although i have not seen such games in real live before and cockfighting sound unpopular to me at this point since this game is seen as illegal in my jurisdictions.


So for that, a few time i have to just read about it online and also watch some videos about cockfights, but even at that, the game is highly unpopular and its research results are not easy to come by at some point so this makes it hard for us to properly understand what the risk for this game is and how to handle them and what are their revenue generation or threat to an animals life.


In generalizing the facts then I can agree to you, cockfighting is only popular mostly from Asian regions, country that still practicing that tradition and mostly known around rural areas, they are not the same with popular casinos or sport betting where it can be enjoyed by most gamblers, but in the sense of those patrons, they are interconnected like what the post above you mentioned, possible that those gamblers already connect from each other and set the fight up before landing to the arena.

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October 16, 2023, 12:21:29 PM
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These cockfighting superstitions are  fallacy.  There are no proven statistics that prove that these superstitions really work.  Even my relative who used to raise fighting fowl has his own superstition but in the end stopped because most of his fowl lost.
I really don’t understand how these superstitions goes,
What is it about them? Like is it what you tell yourself or some phrase you get to repeat over and over before taking a bet or engaging your animals in such activity to make money off them and eventually turn them to food?

I see a lot of animal cruelty in that and don’t or wouldn’t want to encourage any form of cockfighting. Come on?
Everything could be simulated in this day? Why do we have to put these animals through these.

I’m not a veggie or anything but, I was thought not to play with good, let alone to gamble on them. Just eat the damned thing and get your gambling on a sportbookie or casino.

There's nothing like superstition in anything, what people do is to look for an animal that is more aggressive and offensive to be used in serving for this purpose, on a general form, you can discover that there are cocks that they are being aggressive than the others, same also we have some that are not, this is what you can find out in human as well, and have the high tempered being and many more, selecting a specific livestock species of local breeds could be more suitable in serving for this purpose because they have strong vigour.



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October 16, 2023, 01:58:59 PM
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Imagine a virtual platform where you can train, breed, and fight digital roosters. Its virtual, so they have their own stats and skills and everything's fair! Strategy, breeding, conflicts, betting, and excitement continue without real animals being hurt. What do cockfighting veterans think about this digitalisation of their sport
Actually, I have thought about this before and discussed it too, in the era of increasingly sophisticated technology, will they continue to use real animals to suffer from cockfighting betting, even though it could be developed like a virtual NFT where chickens can be bought according to the capabilities they have? so you can fight cockfights online at this online casino which is specifically for virtual cockfighting.

Where currently NFTs have become an alternative for gambling in the form of animals and for example I have seen a site where there is a horse racing competition where the horse is a virtual NFT that we can buy on Opensea and each NFT horse can compete with other NFT horses to get present. I think cockfighting can also be developed like that so that no animal has to be injured or hurt, let alone die because of fighting in gambling.

Having virtual competitions of animals is good alternative to real world fighting of animals. Especially when it involves death of an animal the sport will be illegal in many countries. Betting on such type of sports can have moral consequences if it becomes known publicly. Not sure if NFT is really going to be the solution here, but I could imagine that some games would become very popular if there is such big competition. Also does it really have to be real world animals like roosters or horses? It's already a virtual game, why not make it virtual creatures too? Pokémon would be the perfect game, millions of people already know it and played it in the past. Having now a more competitive side where it's all about fighting and tournaments could attract a lot of new players. On top of that it would be easy to create a betting market where gamblers could place money on their favorite trainers.
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October 16, 2023, 02:11:11 PM
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There's nothing like superstition in anything, what people do is to look for an animal that is more aggressive and offensive to be used in serving for this purpose, on a general form, you can discover that there are cocks that they are being aggressive than the others, same also we have some that are not, this is what you can find out in human as well, and have the high tempered being and many more, selecting a specific livestock species of local breeds could be more suitable in serving for this purpose because they have strong vigour.
Yes one of the first quality of the cock to be used in this kind of fight is the aggressiveness of the animal and their health status because using a gentle dull cock for this game will only amount in your animal getting injured for nothing and you still lose the game at some point also,  although a number of their time,  both animals in the game may give up without reaching the marked line to winning such a game and since there is a local game guideline for this it becomes a necessity to the animals to reach that benchmarks before being allowed to be declared the winner of the game.

I don't see anything like superstitions in this and the game has nothing out of the ordinary to make it native even though the game is played mostly in remote locations.
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October 16, 2023, 10:46:55 PM
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I see a lot of animal cruelty in that and don’t or wouldn’t want to encourage any form of cockfighting. Come on?
Everything could be simulated in this day? Why do we have to put these animals through these.

You're right mate, honestly when we look at what this animals may be passing through while serving this purpose and when we truly have this kind of feelings on abuse on right to living, we can also consider the animals that they are living things and deserve their own right for a free living, am just happy for now that the cock fighting game is not as trending as before again, this has been an old game of an entertainment and even this same game does not appear in most gambling platforms because people don't go for them as before, i hope this alone should make the cock happier than ever  Grin

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October 17, 2023, 02:36:18 PM
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Sorry but i personally do not see cockfighting as a game many people want to bet on as you have said, why do I think this?
First is that, there is no statistics anywhere showing that a lot of people are interested in betting on cockfighting, at least, none I know of, so in case you have such data on your disposal, please feel free to share it with us.

Secondly, take for instance that cockfighting becomes legal in every part of the world, that is, both international and local gambling casinos take cockfighting up and open betting on the game to every gambler out there in the world, trust me when i tell you that betting on this game can only thrive for a very little time, let's say a year to two, and gamblers will start losing interest, why, because  the life span of cocks are very little, and this will not allow gamblers to make a proper analysis of which cock stand a better chance of winning the fight before betting, this simply means that, majority of the time a gambler is betting on this fight, it will always be the gambler just guessing, no concrete assurance that he or she is sure of what he or she is betting on.

This can make gamblers lose interest in the shortest period of time, this is why i do not that a lot of people are willing to bet on cockfighing as you said.
For statistics, perhaps I don't have the data in the field. But maybe you can visit the sites below:
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https://www.quora.com/Where-is-cockfighting-the-most-popular#:~:text=the%20country's%20culture.-,Today%2C%20it%20is%20estimated%20that%20there%20are %20more%20than%2030,into%20a%20billion%2Ddollar%20industry.
https://www.thejakartapost.com/culture/2023/02/27/cockfighting-still-a-popular-blood-sport-in-southern-iraq-.html
https://theconversation.com/cash-for-the-winner-the-loser-for-dinner-cockfighting-in-timor-leste-is-a-complicated-game-131027
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cockfight#:~:text=years%20of%20prison.-,Cuba,also%20banned%20underground%20cockfighting%20pits.
https://taiwantoday.tw/news.php?unit=12,20,29,33,35,45&post=22471#:~:text=In%20Taiwan%2C%20cockfighting%20per%20se,modern%20and%20modern %20Western%20world.

Maybe there are many more in other countries that I don't know about.

In some countries, cockfighting is legal and can be found in my sources. It may not exist in international gambling casinos because cockfighting is only popular in certain countries. So you won't find it in other countries, and you might even find that some countries prohibit cockfighting.

I'm sorry if I'm wrong.

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Since cock fighting is an unpopular games, the players who also participate will be unpopular and only connect to each other through special means of communications, this is very important and straight for anyone to see and understand properly, although i have not seen such games in real live before and cockfighting sound unpopular to me at this point since this game is seen as illegal in my jurisdictions.

So for that, a few time i have to just read about it online and also watch some videos about cockfights, but even at that, the game is highly unpopular and its research results are not easy to come by at some point so this makes it hard for us to properly understand what the risk for this game is and how to handle them and what are their revenue generation or threat to an animals life.
Cockfighting is not broadcast live because it may not be allowed by the local government, even though cockfighting exists in some places. Well, we might think that cockfighting is not popular in many places, but for Asian countries, cockfighting is one of their favorite gambling games.

The risk of cockfighting is that the fighting cock could die or be disabled. And that will be detrimental to the owner. I don't know what the owners will do once they discover the fighting cock is disabled. Maybe they'll slaughter him or something.
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October 17, 2023, 05:11:24 PM
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These cockfighting superstitions are  fallacy.  There are no proven statistics that prove that these superstitions really work.  Even my relative who used to raise fighting fowl has his own superstition but in the end stopped because most of his fowl lost.
I really don’t understand how these superstitions goes,
What is it about them? Like is it what you tell yourself or some phrase you get to repeat over and over before taking a bet or engaging your animals in such activity to make money off them and eventually turn them to food?

I see a lot of animal cruelty in that and don’t or wouldn’t want to encourage any form of cockfighting. Come on?
Everything could be simulated in this day? Why do we have to put these animals through these.

I’m not a veggie or anything but, I was thought not to play with good, let alone to gamble on them. Just eat the damned thing and get your gambling on a sportbookie or casino.

Well the fact that there is already plenty of animal cruelty does not seem like a good argument to further encourage more animal cruelty in my humble view. Traditions are often cruel, but, you see, the uses of humanity change with time: witches were burnt, people crucified and newborns given to the wolves, not to mention the Aztecs killing humans for the gods. There is no need to continue things that one thinks wrong.

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