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October 25, 2023, 08:03:23 PM
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Here in the Philippines, cockfighting is still popular among the middle- to old-aged; it is still around, and many people still do this stuff, especially men who are also fathers. It is very prominent in the Philippine province, and I'd say it is entertaining to watch this kind of betting because you will choose which chicken you want to bet on. I personally sometimes bet on this kind of game. Even if cockfighting seems like a traditional way of gambling, it still copes by means of social media. Right now, they offer online betting where you can watch the live stream of two chickens fighting. It only shows that this kind of traditional gambling can still be around by utilising the internet. So because of that, many more people bet on this gambling game because it's accessible and easy to play. Just place a bet and wait to see who wins.
Wihout judging, what do you see people getting from that? Do people in generally care that animals are needlessly hurt? Do you? What it was bigger animals? Like monkeys, dogs, cats, cows or elephants? Would it be as entertaining and why?

And still i am not judging but just wondering what their and your motivations are. Do you realize that anmals can't give their consent to being part of it? It's not like they choose to fight. They are in the situation that humans put them in where they can't escape from and it's basically fight or die. I am just interested how some people see this as entertainement, and how their thoughts on this differ to me. To me this is just a sad and cruel way to see that people's empathy doesn't reach to animals.
"Cockfighting" it only involves chicken, and based on this post legalonlinegambling Philippines set up a law which is HB 8910 gives the GAB the ability to completely oversee e-sabong gambling regulation and governance. This will bring the act of online cockfighting out of the back alleys and illegal betting operations and into the limelight of legal gambling in the Philippines. It means even cockfighting is illegal in the past, now they set up a law which will make cockfighting legal just they should follow a certain rules and law. And cockfighting doesn't mean that an animal or the chicken will die, its like a boxing, there are certain grounds that could determine who is the winner. I understand your concern but we can't control this stuff, just like horse racing or such, don't be a hypocrite, you eat meat everyday.

The truth is that the Philippines seems to me to do very strange things, nice, bad, I don't know. Legalizing cockfights is something that is very big, well, but there is something that interests me, how can they control that the animals do not get involved? That is something so inviting, because establishing the winner can leave one with hope that perhaps they could have recovered and won, that is something that intrigues me, I would have to be quite an expert in charge of deciding how or what the criteria are, and what if it's something like that, it's something that draws attention, that boxing thing sounds quite interesting, what happens is that we or well at least I'm used to seeing that a fight of gllso occurs until one of the two Roosters die, and to control games or cockfights in places is very difficult, because anywhere where everything is something hidden or something they can do, the only option is to give them very severe punishments, so in this order of things the authorities would have a very difficult task. big, because I know that this gives a lot of money , Especially to the Organizers.

When we think about doing big things with animals, animal defenders will always come out, maybe sometimes in the Philippines they have that law, and they can do the practice, but I am sure that from other countries they will Start demanding that they repeal that law because it is animal abuse and that is not good for the year or anything like that, so in this order of ideas things when they are caused by animals is delicate, the truth is and I would not say anything until what they are doing, personally I believe that these practices worldwide will be eradicated, they may be very traditional or they may be very indigenous but it will not happen for a long time. I have seen that the way things are with animals is something else, I really wouldn't get involved in that Because it is Something too delicate, I would say that when it comes time to do something like that , I wouldn't want to Participate in any of it until it is completely legal.

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October 25, 2023, 09:15:07 PM
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Some already had made good business in finding suitable cocks to serve the purpose of gambling, but this does not add to the increase in the amount of buying them except for the specific ones that serves such purpose, they may even travel all the way far to other countries in seeking for how to buy the best cocks for this entertainment purpose, this kind of gambling entertainment had been stopped in some countries while some are still permitting for such.
That can be a lucrative business for those that are in a rural area where there is no law that is against people using cocks for street fighting. There are people that are making good profits from this kind of street game mostly when they have a good and string cocks that had been fed for weeks and given training that will enable it to fight other cocks in the street and bring profits for the owners. This kind of game is mostly ban in advanced regions where there is strict rules against animal usage for unsolicited reasons. Making good decisions is what matters when gambling.

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October 25, 2023, 09:23:51 PM
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Some already had made good business in finding suitable cocks to serve the purpose of gambling, but this does not add to the increase in the amount of buying them except for the specific ones that serves such purpose, they may even travel all the way far to other countries in seeking for how to buy the best cocks for this entertainment purpose, this kind of gambling entertainment had been stopped in some countries while some are still permitting for such.
That can be a lucrative business for those that are in a rural area where there is no law that is against people using cocks for street fighting. There are people that are making good profits from this kind of street game mostly when they have a good and string cocks that had been fed for weeks and given training that will enable it to fight other cocks in the street and bring profits for the owners. This kind of game is mostly ban in advanced regions where there is strict rules against animal usage for unsolicited reasons. Making good decisions is what matters when gambling.
Sice cock fighting is regionally restricted and popular at the same time, those thst find themselves in the area where such games are accepted and played, those who engage in cock fighting as a game will have a way of building their animal at some point and to meet a certain requirement because no one will want to fight with a sick or unhealthy cock since doing so will only increase his losing rate and also the possibility of even losing the cock along the line.


But since cock fighting is not so much a popular game around the world, we may not have a standard practice for such games as cock fight, and could be seen as an unregulated game in those areas.

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October 25, 2023, 09:28:32 PM
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Here in the Philippines, cockfighting is still popular among the middle- to old-aged; it is still around, and many people still do this stuff, especially men who are also fathers. It is very prominent in the Philippine province, and I'd say it is entertaining to watch this kind of betting because you will choose which chicken you want to bet on. I personally sometimes bet on this kind of game. Even if cockfighting seems like a traditional way of gambling, it still copes by means of social media. Right now, they offer online betting where you can watch the live stream of two chickens fighting. It only shows that this kind of traditional gambling can still be around by utilising the internet. So because of that, many more people bet on this gambling game because it's accessible and easy to play. Just place a bet and wait to see who wins.
Wihout judging, what do you see people getting from that? Do people in generally care that animals are needlessly hurt? Do you? What it was bigger animals? Like monkeys, dogs, cats, cows or elephants? Would it be as entertaining and why?

And still i am not judging but just wondering what their and your motivations are. Do you realize that anmals can't give their consent to being part of it? It's not like they choose to fight. They are in the situation that humans put them in where they can't escape from and it's basically fight or die. I am just interested how some people see this as entertainement, and how their thoughts on this differ to me. To me this is just a sad and cruel way to see that people's empathy doesn't reach to animals.
"Cockfighting" it only involves chicken, and based on this post legalonlinegambling Philippines set up a law which is HB 8910 gives the GAB the ability to completely oversee e-sabong gambling regulation and governance. This will bring the act of online cockfighting out of the back alleys and illegal betting operations and into the limelight of legal gambling in the Philippines. It means even cockfighting is illegal in the past, now they set up a law which will make cockfighting legal just they should follow a certain rules and law. And cockfighting doesn't mean that an animal or the chicken will die, its like a boxing, there are certain grounds that could determine who is the winner. I understand your concern but we can't control this stuff, just like horse racing or such, don't be a hypocrite, you eat meat everyday.

The truth is that the Philippines seems to me to do very strange things, nice, bad, I don't know. Legalizing cockfights is something that is very big, well, but there is something that interests me, how can they control that the animals do not get involved? That is something so inviting, because establishing the winner can leave one with hope that perhaps they could have recovered and won, that is something that intrigues me, I would have to be quite an expert in charge of deciding how or what the criteria are, and what if it's something like that, it's something that draws attention, that boxing thing sounds quite interesting, what happens is that we or well at least I'm used to seeing that a fight of gllso occurs until one of the two Roosters die, and to control games or cockfights in places is very difficult, because anywhere where everything is something hidden or something they can do, the only option is to give them very severe punishments, so in this order of things the authorities would have a very difficult task. big, because I know that this gives a lot of money , Especially to the Organizers.

When we think about doing big things with animals, animal defenders will always come out, maybe sometimes in the Philippines they have that law, and they can do the practice, but I am sure that from other countries they will Start demanding that they repeal that law because it is animal abuse and that is not good for the year or anything like that, so in this order of ideas things when they are caused by animals is delicate, the truth is and I would not say anything until what they are doing, personally I believe that these practices worldwide will be eradicated, they may be very traditional or they may be very indigenous but it will not happen for a long time. I have seen that the way things are with animals is something else, I really wouldn't get involved in that Because it is Something too delicate, I would say that when it comes time to do something like that , I wouldn't want to Participate in any of it until it is completely legal.

Just simply sticking with that main mechanics of the game or certain gambling then it would really be just that understandable that it would really be playing out on a single condition which it would really be fighting to the death knowing that those Rooster been equipped by some sharp blade on which the moment these roosters fight then one of them would surely be ending up on dying which its obviously that it wont really be able to fight anymore and this is where betting do really been apply on whose gonna win. Sounds cruel? Yes it does but there's nothing we can do since there are really places in the world that will really be that weird on some countries when it comes to the things that they are dealing with but since its their choice and following on things that they've been getting used to then it would really be just that normal that that other people might be seeing that
to be odd or not right at all.

Speaking about legality then it would really be depending on the government but since its been allowed or having those licensed arenas then its safe to say that they are really that
allowed on such thing.Making taxes out of this gambling thing will really be something significant and this is what they would really be prioritizing.

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October 26, 2023, 07:01:08 AM
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Just simply sticking with that main mechanics of the game or certain gambling then it would really be just that understandable that it would really be playing out on a single condition which it would really be fighting to the death knowing that those Rooster been equipped by some sharp blade on which the moment these roosters fight then one of them would surely be ending up on dying which its obviously that it wont really be able to fight anymore and this is where betting do really been apply on whose gonna win. Sounds cruel? Yes it does but there's nothing we can do since there are really places in the world that will really be that weird on some countries when it comes to the things that they are dealing with but since its their choice and following on things that they've been getting used to then it would really be just that normal that that other people might be seeing that
to be odd or not right at all.

Speaking about legality then it would really be depending on the government but since its been allowed or having those licensed arenas then its safe to say that they are really that
allowed on such thing.Making taxes out of this gambling thing will really be something significant and this is what they would really be prioritizing.
It is a tradition in some locations, correct? Indeed, it does sound harsh. Extremely callous in fact. However, as you mentioned, what is normal in one region may be considered strange or even wrong in another. Perspective is everything, isn't it?

Now, regarding legitimacy... If the government grants these arenas a license, it is technically lawful. However, something's legality does not always imply that it is correct or ethical. And what about taxes? Indeed, governments adore taxation, don't they? If there is money to be made, they will be there to capture a portion of it. But, and this is a significant but, should they profit from something that many people consider cruel?

It is a complex issue with no simple solution. The fact that something has been done for a long time does not mean that it should not be reevaluated. Tradition is essential, but so is development. And occasionally, just occasionally, the two may conflict

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October 26, 2023, 09:02:11 AM
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Here in the Philippines, cockfighting is still popular among the middle- to old-aged; it is still around, and many people still do this stuff, especially men who are also fathers. It is very prominent in the Philippine province, and I'd say it is entertaining to watch this kind of betting because you will choose which chicken you want to bet on. I personally sometimes bet on this kind of game. Even if cockfighting seems like a traditional way of gambling, it still copes by means of social media. Right now, they offer online betting where you can watch the live stream of two chickens fighting. It only shows that this kind of traditional gambling can still be around by utilising the internet. So because of that, many more people bet on this gambling game because it's accessible and easy to play. Just place a bet and wait to see who wins.
Wihout judging, what do you see people getting from that? Do people in generally care that animals are needlessly hurt? Do you? What it was bigger animals? Like monkeys, dogs, cats, cows or elephants? Would it be as entertaining and why?

And still i am not judging but just wondering what their and your motivations are. Do you realize that anmals can't give their consent to being part of it? It's not like they choose to fight. They are in the situation that humans put them in where they can't escape from and it's basically fight or die. I am just interested how some people see this as entertainement, and how their thoughts on this differ to me. To me this is just a sad and cruel way to see that people's empathy doesn't reach to animals.
"Cockfighting" it only involves chicken, and based on this post legalonlinegambling Philippines set up a law which is HB 8910 gives the GAB the ability to completely oversee e-sabong gambling regulation and governance. This will bring the act of online cockfighting out of the back alleys and illegal betting operations and into the limelight of legal gambling in the Philippines. It means even cockfighting is illegal in the past, now they set up a law which will make cockfighting legal just they should follow a certain rules and law. And cockfighting doesn't mean that an animal or the chicken will die, its like a boxing, there are certain grounds that could determine who is the winner. I understand your concern but we can't control this stuff, just like horse racing or such, don't be a hypocrite, you eat meat everyday.

The truth is that the Philippines seems to me to do very strange things, nice, bad, I don't know. Legalizing cockfights is something that is very big, well, but there is something that interests me, how can they control that the animals do not get involved? That is something so inviting, because establishing the winner can leave one with hope that perhaps they could have recovered and won, that is something that intrigues me, I would have to be quite an expert in charge of deciding how or what the criteria are, and what if it's something like that, it's something that draws attention, that boxing thing sounds quite interesting, what happens is that we or well at least I'm used to seeing that a fight of gllso occurs until one of the two Roosters die, and to control games or cockfights in places is very difficult, because anywhere where everything is something hidden or something they can do, the only option is to give them very severe punishments, so in this order of things the authorities would have a very difficult task. big, because I know that this gives a lot of money , Especially to the Organizers.

When we think about doing big things with animals, animal defenders will always come out, maybe sometimes in the Philippines they have that law, and they can do the practice, but I am sure that from other countries they will Start demanding that they repeal that law because it is animal abuse and that is not good for the year or anything like that, so in this order of ideas things when they are caused by animals is delicate, the truth is and I would not say anything until what they are doing, personally I believe that these practices worldwide will be eradicated, they may be very traditional or they may be very indigenous but it will not happen for a long time. I have seen that the way things are with animals is something else, I really wouldn't get involved in that Because it is Something too delicate, I would say that when it comes time to do something like that , I wouldn't want to Participate in any of it until it is completely legal.

It's strange but it has become the tradition here ever since.
And to be clear, cockfighting is both legal and illegal in the Philippines. Vague? Let's clear this out.

Cockfighting was treated the same as basketball, a popular sport in the Philippines. However, it is more of gambling than sport. People spend their time in breeding in terms of cock fights and as a business. Now, why do I say it is legal and illegal at the same time? There's a law in the Philippines (Cockfighting Law of 1974) that cockfighting is considered legal depending on the location where the game is held. (You can view the full description on the internet)

It becomes more popular during the pandemic season. That time, we have what we call E-sabong, an online cockfighting where all bettors can easily add money to their online accounts. E-sabong operates every day, there are more than 100 rounds every single day, and each round has different bets, bettors can win by choosing the rooster they want to place their bet with the options of MERON, WALA, or DRAW.


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Nonetheless, it should be banned worldwide. @2Pizza410000BTC, a lot of government officials are into cockfighting in the Philippines. Cockpit arenas starting from small municipalities to big cities are duly registered.
It's just to sayu that this bloodthirsty entertainment should be banned.  However, there are many countries where this is a very profitable business that is in demand by the population.  And it can even be regarded as a sport.  For example, in Madagascar, the cost of a good rooster, trained by a specialist to participate in cockfighting, can even reach $500.  And this despite the fact that the standard of living in this country is very low.  For many residents this is a huge amount. 
And even if the government begins to ban cockfighting, and this is a centuries-old tradition, cockfighting will still not stop, but will simply begin to be held secretly behind closed doors. 
So it's almost impossible to ban it.
Banning cockfighting seems impossible since it is protected and some government officials profit from it. Even if the government were to implement a ban, it is likely that some smaller cities would continue to operate the activity, as some law enforcement officials may be corrupt.

Banning this bloodthirsty entertainment is necessary, especially since there have been cases where owners were attacked by their own chickens, as was the case last August. It is important to protect both the animals and the public from such cruel and potentially dangerous practices.
Pretty much. Cockfighting is a well known gambling game in our country and the government is ok with it because I believe they control it and of course they generate income from it by collecting taxes. Even if cockfighting arena is available in our local area, there are still people who operates underground illegal cockfighting games that are being raided by the authorities. I don't do cockfighting but I think people resort to illegal cockfighting fights because of the heavy tax that the cockfighting arena collects. It's a give and take situation but I don't think that this cockfighting game will disappear in our country soon. In fact, I haven't even seen any protest about physical arena cockfighting in my whole life.

Got some friends who are actively participating with cockfighting, they love following those patrons both in a legal way and those who are doing it underground, there's additional excitement according to them when you know that any moment something might happen and you need to be fast in terms of running and good in finding alternative ways to escape from the authorities in case the place got raided.

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October 26, 2023, 01:36:03 PM
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Some already had made good business in finding suitable cocks to serve the purpose of gambling, but this does not add to the increase in the amount of buying them except for the specific ones that serves such purpose, they may even travel all the way far to other countries in seeking for how to buy the best cocks for this entertainment purpose, this kind of gambling entertainment had been stopped in some countries while some are still permitting for such.
That can be a lucrative business for those that are in a rural area where there is no law that is against people using cocks for street fighting. There are people that are making good profits from this kind of street game mostly when they have a good and string cocks that had been fed for weeks and given training that will enable it to fight other cocks in the street and bring profits for the owners. This kind of game is mostly ban in advanced regions where there is strict rules against animal usage for unsolicited reasons. Making good decisions is what matters when gambling.
Speaking of getting strong cock that been fed for weeks and giving it the best training that will make it strong enough to fight other cocks, i am just so curious, how exactly is this training given?, for personally, i understand cocks not to understand humans the same way some dogs and horses do, how possible is it to give or train a cock?, are they given some kind of drugs or something? i have asked this before, but i did not get a reply from anyone with experience, or maybe someone did replied and i missed it, I would really love to know just in case one day, i can decide to buy some cocks, bring them up, and anytime i want them to fight, i will know how or what to do to engage them naturally in a fight.

Someone with experience should please tell me how this is done.

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October 26, 2023, 05:34:53 PM
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Cock fight is one of the popular game in gambling sector. It's usually seen on the ruler area of a country. The people are village used to make it entertainment method or some people who are connected gambling they make it entertainment and earning way by bet money. I don't know about properly cockfight it may be a season game. There is a some kind of game like cock fighting is called bull fighting is also popular game people use to gambling in it.

In our country this is illegal work. Government officially baned in our country. The people of some village area in our country there also play cock fighting for entertainment method and use it for gambling. Altough is illegal but they hide it from the government and they make money from illegal way. Fighting is not too much popular in our country but sometime it seen in villages area.
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Here in our country, cockfighting is very popular , it was owned and operates by a most influencing man in gambling. The investors and bettors are came from high class of family and some government officials are involve. the primary purposes of cockfighting is for entertainment and leisure, It can be addictive because of the culture and festivity, to the point that bettors are willing to risk something they value in hope of getting something of even greater value.
Sorry but absolute stupidity is you ask me, i have searched my inner self from top to bottom, and i still have not been able to find anything interesting about cockfighting, what exactly is so special about watching cocks fight?

For instance, when it comes to sports like football, handball, volleyball, table tennis, race and so on, this games all involve human participation and this alone makes it very interesting to watch and even bet on, but coming back to cockfighting, I do not see this as a form of sports since there are no humans involved aside from those watching, the cocks that are fighting don't even have any idea that they  are being watched, what exactly is in this to enjoy?

Anyways, many people have made so much money that they utterly do not know what else to do with it, it is only those in this category that will invest their time and money in supposed games like cockfighting, especially as you have mentioned, government people that don't have to work really hard to earn money.
I totally agree with you on that, and what's ironic is that you will see very big crowds in the venues where these cockfights are held, they come in large numbers just to watch a couple of cocks fighting each other till one of them dies and they enjoy watching that. What kind of a cruel person would enjoy watching one animal killing the other in front of their eyes? I know that in the wild, predators kill the prey and then eat it, but that's nature, and in this case, they are both prey fighting and trying to kill each other just because humans are making them do that.

So, it's not actually just the people that have a lot of money and free time that go to watch these games but there are a lot of interested spectators that take out time to just go and watch the games, and those who bet on these games are also people who might not have a lot of money but they like doing it.

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I don't know if any provider provides cockfighting. But let me tell you about a funny situation from Turkey; normally it is forbidden, but if you go to any bird protection and survival association, you will see cockfighting Cheesy Because these gamblers use that community to provide illegal cockfighting.
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Here in the Philippines, cockfighting is still popular among the middle- to old-aged; it is still around, and many people still do this stuff, especially men who are also fathers. It is very prominent in the Philippine province, and I'd say it is entertaining to watch this kind of betting because you will choose which chicken you want to bet on. I personally sometimes bet on this kind of game. Even if cockfighting seems like a traditional way of gambling, it still copes by means of social media. Right now, they offer online betting where you can watch the live stream of two chickens fighting. It only shows that this kind of traditional gambling can still be around by utilising the internet. So because of that, many more people bet on this gambling game because it's accessible and easy to play. Just place a bet and wait to see who wins.
Wihout judging, what do you see people getting from that? Do people in generally care that animals are needlessly hurt? Do you? What it was bigger animals? Like monkeys, dogs, cats, cows or elephants? Would it be as entertaining and why?

And still i am not judging but just wondering what their and your motivations are. Do you realize that anmals can't give their consent to being part of it? It's not like they choose to fight. They are in the situation that humans put them in where they can't escape from and it's basically fight or die. I am just interested how some people see this as entertainement, and how their thoughts on this differ to me. To me this is just a sad and cruel way to see that people's empathy doesn't reach to animals.
"Cockfighting" it only involves chicken, and based on this post legalonlinegambling Philippines set up a law which is HB 8910 gives the GAB the ability to completely oversee e-sabong gambling regulation and governance. This will bring the act of online cockfighting out of the back alleys and illegal betting operations and into the limelight of legal gambling in the Philippines. It means even cockfighting is illegal in the past, now they set up a law which will make cockfighting legal just they should follow a certain rules and law. And cockfighting doesn't mean that an animal or the chicken will die, its like a boxing, there are certain grounds that could determine who is the winner. I understand your concern but we can't control this stuff, just like horse racing or such, don't be a hypocrite, you eat meat everyday.

The truth is that the Philippines seems to me to do very strange things, nice, bad, I don't know. Legalizing cockfights is something that is very big, well, but there is something that interests me, how can they control that the animals do not get involved? That is something so inviting, because establishing the winner can leave one with hope that perhaps they could have recovered and won, that is something that intrigues me, I would have to be quite an expert in charge of deciding how or what the criteria are, and what if it's something like that, it's something that draws attention, that boxing thing sounds quite interesting, what happens is that we or well at least I'm used to seeing that a fight of gllso occurs until one of the two Roosters die, and to control games or cockfights in places is very difficult, because anywhere where everything is something hidden or something they can do, the only option is to give them very severe punishments, so in this order of things the authorities would have a very difficult task. big, because I know that this gives a lot of money , Especially to the Organizers.

When we think about doing big things with animals, animal defenders will always come out, maybe sometimes in the Philippines they have that law, and they can do the practice, but I am sure that from other countries they will Start demanding that they repeal that law because it is animal abuse and that is not good for the year or anything like that, so in this order of ideas things when they are caused by animals is delicate, the truth is and I would not say anything until what they are doing, personally I believe that these practices worldwide will be eradicated, they may be very traditional or they may be very indigenous but it will not happen for a long time. I have seen that the way things are with animals is something else, I really wouldn't get involved in that Because it is Something too delicate, I would say that when it comes time to do something like that , I wouldn't want to Participate in any of it until it is completely legal.

It's strange but it has become the tradition here ever since.
And to be clear, cockfighting is both legal and illegal in the Philippines. Vague? Let's clear this out.

Cockfighting was treated the same as basketball, a popular sport in the Philippines. However, it is more of gambling than sport. People spend their time in breeding in terms of cock fights and as a business. Now, why do I say it is legal and illegal at the same time? There's a law in the Philippines (Cockfighting Law of 1974) that cockfighting is considered legal depending on the location where the game is held. (You can view the full description on the internet)

It becomes more popular during the pandemic season. That time, we have what we call E-sabong, an online cockfighting where all bettors can easily add money to their online accounts. E-sabong operates every day, there are more than 100 rounds every single day, and each round has different bets, bettors can win by choosing the rooster they want to place their bet with the options of MERON, WALA, or DRAW.
Yes, that's what I am talking about. As we're living in a modern and technology, This is the latest state of the art version of the Cockfighting- The E-Sabong. This became so popular at the height of the pandemic when people are at home, doing it as their past times, but this activity is ore than an amusement because there's money involved. Gamblers who bet on this game says that it's easier to play and very convenient too, because they don't need to travel to the actual cockfighting pits.



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October 27, 2023, 03:02:30 PM
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Got some friends who are actively participating with cockfighting, they love following those patrons both in a legal way and those who are doing it underground, there's additional excitement according to them when you know that any moment something might happen and you need to be fast in terms of running and good in finding alternative ways to escape from the authorities in case the place got raided.


Lol! That's crazy. But during the pandemic where cockfighting was temporarily banned I had my first experiences. My friend's family had a huge backyard and that is where the cockfighting happened. It was my first time seeing cocks wearing their blades fighting. And it was also my first time betting on cockfights while drinking liquor.

But it never came to my mind of a possible police raid. Another friend of mine usually sponsors cockfighting in his place during the pandemic. There was a time they were raided by the police but he was so quick that by the time the police arrived, he was already in his house overlooking the area through the window. When he saw that an old man was the only one who got caught, he went to the police precinct and paid the fines for the release. Cheesy

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October 27, 2023, 04:59:40 PM
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Got some friends who are actively participating with cockfighting, they love following those patrons both in a legal way and those who are doing it underground, there's additional excitement according to them when you know that any moment something might happen and you need to be fast in terms of running and good in finding alternative ways to escape from the authorities in case the place got raided.


Lol! That's crazy. But during the pandemic where cockfighting was temporarily banned I had my first experiences. My friend's family had a huge backyard and that is where the cockfighting happened. It was my first time seeing cocks wearing their blades fighting. And it was also my first time betting on cockfights while drinking liquor.

But it never came to my mind of a possible police raid. Another friend of mine usually sponsors cockfighting in his place during the pandemic. There was a time they were raided by the police but he was so quick that by the time the police arrived, he was already in his house overlooking the area through the window. When he saw that an old man was the only one who got caught, he went to the police precinct and paid the fines for the release. Cheesy

Seems just a story but with those who got that experienced it's an additional enjoyment, and moving back to this gambling activity, yes like what I mentioned both legal and illegal cockfighting continue being facilitated, and if I get it right not just by simple people but there are also known names with known titles who also enjoyed betting with this kind of gambling.

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October 27, 2023, 05:35:13 PM
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Wihout judging, what do you see people getting from that? Do people in generally care that animals are needlessly hurt? Do you? What it was bigger animals? Like monkeys, dogs, cats, cows or elephants? Would it be as entertaining and why?

And still i am not judging but just wondering what their and your motivations are. Do you realize that anmals can't give their consent to being part of it? It's not like they choose to fight. They are in the situation that humans put them in where they can't escape from and it's basically fight or die. I am just interested how some people see this as entertainement, and how their thoughts on this differ to me. To me this is just a sad and cruel way to see that people's empathy doesn't reach to animals.

"Cockfighting" it only involves chicken, and based on this post legalonlinegambling Philippines set up a law which is HB 8910 gives the GAB the ability to completely oversee e-sabong gambling regulation and governance. This will bring the act of online cockfighting out of the back alleys and illegal betting operations and into the limelight of legal gambling in the Philippines. It means even cockfighting is illegal in the past, now they set up a law which will make cockfighting legal just they should follow a certain rules and law.
I wasn't talking about legality of it. I was asking about your moral stance. But you didn't answer any of my questions.

And cockfighting doesn't mean that an animal or the chicken will die, its like a boxing, there are certain grounds that could determine who is the winner. I understand your concern but we can't control this stuff, just like horse racing or such,
I wasn't talking about animals dying, this was about hurting them needlessly, also you can't compare it to sport that 2 fighters give their consent to be hurt. Chickens can't give their consent, so people organizing the fights are just choosing to torment them.

don't be a hypocrite, you eat meat everyday.
I have been a vegan for 30+ years, and even if i was a meat eater, i wouldn't see killing for eating equal to needlessly to making them suffer.

And this wasn't hypocrisy, i was merely asking questions and thought you might want to explain yourself when you say it's entertaining to watch.
For someone who doesn't understand the entertainment part, surely you can explain what's the thrill of animals getting needlessly hurt for your entertainement.

For the context, i feel the exact opposite of entertainement, just because it's hard coded to me to feel nauseous when i see animals getting tormented and hurt just for laughs.

You said that you can't control the sport, but i wasn't asking that either. I was just asking what you get out of it? It's ok to say if you get pleasure from suffering, it if that's the case. I just wanted to understood how do you feel about it as there must be a reason for finding that sport in-particular enjoyable. I wasn't judging, i was asking your point of view on morality of this.

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October 27, 2023, 08:10:00 PM
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Got some friends who are actively participating with cockfighting, they love following those patrons both in a legal way and those who are doing it underground, there's additional excitement according to them when you know that any moment something might happen and you need to be fast in terms of running and good in finding alternative ways to escape from the authorities in case the place got raided.


Lol! That's crazy. But during the pandemic where cockfighting was temporarily banned I had my first experiences. My friend's family had a huge backyard and that is where the cockfighting happened. It was my first time seeing cocks wearing their blades fighting. And it was also my first time betting on cockfights while drinking liquor.

But it never came to my mind of a possible police raid. Another friend of mine usually sponsors cockfighting in his place during the pandemic. There was a time they were raided by the police but he was so quick that by the time the police arrived, he was already in his house overlooking the area through the window. When he saw that an old man was the only one who got caught, he went to the police precinct and paid the fines for the release. Cheesy

Seems just a story but with those who got that experienced it's an additional enjoyment, and moving back to this gambling activity, yes like what I mentioned both legal and illegal cockfighting continue being facilitated, and if I get it right not just by simple people but there are also known names with known titles who also enjoyed betting with this kind of gambling.
Basing up on what do really actually happens on cockfighting scenario when it comes to legal aspect then expect that there would really be illegal things yet not all would really be that preferring on doing things legally because of avoiding something specially on tax or whatsoever but whats the point on joining up these illegal places if there are legal ones? You are really just that putting up yourself on big trouble once you do get caught. When it comes to entertainment about cockfighting then we do really know that there are really places in the world on which this kind of gambling or betting
does really exist and really that very interesting for those people who are really that a fan of it. It isnt really that an issue but we know that there would really be those people who would really be
always that talking about animal cruelty but well its their choice and their interest on doing so. Just let them be.  Grin

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October 27, 2023, 10:22:11 PM
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Pretty much. Cockfighting is a well known gambling game in our country and the government is ok with it because I believe they control it and of course they generate income from it by collecting taxes. Even if cockfighting arena is available in our local area, there are still people who operates underground illegal cockfighting games that are being raided by the authorities. I don't do cockfighting but I think people resort to illegal cockfighting fights because of the heavy tax that the cockfighting arena collects. It's a give and take situation but I don't think that this cockfighting game will disappear in our country soon. In fact, I haven't even seen any protest about physical arena cockfighting in my whole life.

Cockfighting games is not that popular in many countries and governments in those regions they are not popular go against it because they believe it's a means of abuse on these animals, though we are catching our own fun through such means but yet we still have to consider that they are living creatures, but on the occasion of government tasking for this kind of game is alarming as well, also do people have to rent a stage to host the sport activities than doing it on a regular floor or open environment.



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October 28, 2023, 02:17:00 AM
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True, In my country Indonesia, this kind of gambling is very popular in villages and suburbs. The communities whose economies are below average always play this game secretly. But it's not so secret, because we can find it in the open arena where it is guarded by (illegal) authorities. In fact, Cockfighting is the only entertainment we can watch in the midst of a difficult economy. The people will be happy If a cock he chooses win. but sometimes happy too if another cock lost and almost died, that cock will be slaughtered soon to eat together.
I also often see groups of people betting on cockfights, this is commonplace everywhere, especially in Indonesia, but because all forms of gambling are prohibited, cockfights are always carried out in secret. Cockfighting is so interesting that it is no wonder that it also attracts the interest of military officers regardless of whether they are police or army, in fact I actually found out that some of them were important figure in their area.

You are right, it is a people's pleasure but sometimes we are amazed at the amount of money at stake. I've seen them lose motorbikes because they lost bets, even cars in the betting arena. Sometimes I see it as something crazy, but that's how it is when someone has lost control because they are too confident that their chicken can win.

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October 28, 2023, 11:19:16 AM
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Basing up on what do really actually happens on cockfighting scenario when it comes to legal aspect then expect that there would really be illegal things yet not all would really be that preferring on doing things legally because of avoiding something specially on tax or whatsoever but whats the point on joining up these illegal places if there are legal ones? You are really just that putting up yourself on big trouble once you do get caught. When it comes to entertainment about cockfighting then we do really know that there are really places in the world on which this kind of gambling or betting
does really exist and really that very interesting for those people who are really that a fan of it. It isnt really that an issue but we know that there would really be those people who would really be
always that talking about animal cruelty but well its their choice and their interest on doing so. Just let them be.  Grin

Good point and that's true, why risking if there're places where you can simply go and enjoy the game without any worry about being caught and go to jail, though it's true that we can't tell if what the enjoyment that excite those people who keeps patronizing those illegal arena most from rural places which they are just secretly facilitating the fight.

In terms of animal cruelty, just like what you said, let them be broad to what they think is right and let also those who think differently.

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October 28, 2023, 11:28:56 AM
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That true because cockfighting was first introduced by the Romans and then spread to Europe and Greece so that over time it spread widely to Asia but currently it is still very popular only in Asian countries especially Southeast Asia.
During that time cockfighting was used as art and culture as well as worship ceremony.
Most cockfights were more popular among nobles.

Over time cockfighting has become a sport but in several European countries the point of view about cockfighting has changed and made cockfighting a less ethical act.
Even though it is seen as unethical in some countries and has banned it cockfighting is cultural heritage that should be protected even if only for a certain time.
Modern era developments have also made European countries forget about it and prioritize prestigious events for the sports they love.

Now in Europe you probably can't find cockfighting and most people don't know about this sport and that why it's no longer very popular there.

The Romans were not the ones who started cockfighting, they just adopted it from the Greeks who took it from the Asians probably from the Persians or from the people of the steppes which were pushed forward into Europe by the other more powerful tribes in Eastern Asia. And I doubt the Romans really spread it into Europe well, it remained unpopular and even died out. Otherwise, the Spanish who were a long-time Roman province, and Magellan's chronicler who himself is an Italian should not be surprised by the Philippine modern ways of cockfighting.

Nonetheless, it should be banned worldwide. @2Pizza410000BTC, a lot of government officials are into cockfighting in the Philippines. Cockpit arenas starting from small municipalities to big cities are duly registered.
Previously where did you get this statement? Because from some of the information I have learned about cockfighting it is as I mentioned before.
But apart from all that currently it is very rare to find cockfighting events or tournaments outside of Asian because those who still preserve and truly make cockfighting an enjoyable sport are Asian people.

That true because the Philippines is one of the countries with a very large level of popularity for cockfighting fans and there are many communities there.
It is clear that government officials also enjoy the sport of cockfighting because there is lot of circulation of large amounts of money in terms of business and betting and even prizes in each tournament.

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