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August 21, 2023, 04:49:35 PM |
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Are you willing to do that while exploring your options on which casino can meet your needs as a gambler? I assume that your answer will be no because identity is a precious thing to us and that keeps us different and unique from any other people, surely we wouldn't do such mistakes where we keep on submitting our identity firsthand while also using a couple of casino. You know, until we can find that casino that is suitable to us. You have two choices now. Deciding whether to prioritize your money or identity can be a difficult choice to make. That depends on you. Even though you said that if our privacy is a precious thing didn't reject the fact that if casino can frozen our fund anytime. Anyone has their own opinion but it's hard to choose between risking our money or our identity. But if you're inclined to do that, I suggest that you filter a couple of reputable casino and select whichever you want before you start submitting your information to them. That way, it's more safer compared to what I mentioned above.
True but it doesn't mean we are being far away from the risk for our money being frozen by the casino. As long as the casino can be trusted and that's enough. I think that there was no casino that can resist from the data breach. There possibility is always there even though the security is always being updated.
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leonair
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August 21, 2023, 04:54:37 PM |
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There are many casino sites that offer KYC free gambling and allow you to deposit and withdraw up to certain amount without any Kyc verification. so in this case you will not have any problem even if you do KYC later. But when you go to gamble with a big amount you definitely need KYC verification. But it is better for everyone to play gambling without any kyc with a small amount on a site first and gain experience of that site. Then if any site seems good and trustworthy then complete kyc then gamble with big amount. It can be a good strategy to research gambling sites
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August 21, 2023, 05:38:23 PM |
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I do agree with this idea and I believe everyone should follow this to avoid problems later on. I know that a lot of casinos wouldn't create issues deliberately when you have managed to win a large amount because they are trusted and has a reputation to maintain, but a lot of platforms wouldn't bother doing that because they might not be that big of a platform so they would try to do anything to save as much money as possible and this would be an easy way for them.
That's why, if you have the option to verify your identity right after signing up and before making a deposit, you better do it once your account gets approved, you can go ahead and make a deposit and start gambling so that you don't face any issues even if your luck works out.
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August 21, 2023, 05:41:15 PM |
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Submit your identity and wait for approval, do not be in haste to make deposit first, because the identity you submitted without a green approval from the team can still be rejected, take your time to get the passed approval first before proceeding with gambling.
I agree, to have a smooth sailing experience in a licensed casino, if they required us to do KYC first before playing then we should follow the rules. But if it is possible to deposit, play and withdraw without undergoing KYC, then why not? Reputable casinos will not confiscate our funds without triggering their security system. If their security system is triggered and we are at fault, then no matter how early wes submit our KYC our account will still get banned. So better to read the terms of service before anything else/
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August 21, 2023, 06:35:38 PM |
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OP's advice would've been much better if casinos did not have KYC levels. When you demand KYC to be done from the start they will most likely get you through the most basic verification where you only send your ID to them. It can become a nightmare later on when they demand utility bills, which is something many of us don't have because we rent out rooms and bills are paid by the landlord. Reputable casinos will not confiscate our funds without triggering their security system. If their security system is triggered and we are at fault, then no matter how early wes submit our KYC our account will still get banned. So better to read the terms of service before anything else/
What happens if their system gets triggered and we are not at fault? What if we win a lot of money and it suddenly becomes worth it for the casino to try to delay us with KYC and blame their security system. Anybody can fake the logs saying you've logged from a different IP.
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August 21, 2023, 06:51:15 PM |
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There are casinos like stake that don't really require you to pass on KYC unless you're being asked and your transactions had gotten big. So, if you're okay with passing on KYC before doing a deposit, that's fine. But as much as you can see, not everyone is cool with that and that's why they're not willing to submit their KYCs to the platforms that they are up with unless they're being asked for. Anyway, that's a good call if you're going to be asked later then why not do it before they ask you to, right? For some instances, there are users that are being asked for detecting dubious activities and they needed to get cleared through KYC. Although I don't know know on how they're detecting user activities with that reasoning so, better to just comply if you've got funds there and you wanna keep playing on them and also to get your deposit.
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August 21, 2023, 07:14:38 PM |
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In order for this to not happen, casinos that have KYC should make all accounts pass kyc before allowing them to bet. I've said it many times, I am not a fan of KYC but I do not own a casino.
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August 21, 2023, 07:24:16 PM |
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I don't know where some gamblers are getting their confidence from, do you know that online casinos can keep rejecting your ID after you made some high amount of money? Some people cares about winning first before passing KYC, it's cool you believe that you won't always win but the luck comes when we least expected.
Imagine winning and you find it hard to pass KYC, trapping your money on the casino for like ever.
It's not always the casinos fault, I know some are dubious but the thing is KYC verification is something you should first deal with before making your first deposit.
Online casinos can be frustrating at times, some casino won't accept your submitted document even when you haven't make any deposit on the platform yet, so always confirm your identity first.
Submit your identity and wait for approval, do not be in haste to make deposit first, because the identity you submitted without a green approval from the team can still be rejected, take your time to get the passed approval first before proceeding with gambling.
I agree, but this happen to me in a trading site. They unexpectedly requires their members for KYC, I have my assets in there and now I cannot get it back. From then, I will make sure to read the T&C first and always stay updated because sometimes our valid ID's are not okay with them so we need a backup id in case this thing happen so guys make sure to do KYC if your preferred casino ask you to do so.
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August 21, 2023, 07:33:17 PM |
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OP's advice would've been much better if casinos did not have KYC levels. When you demand KYC to be done from the start they will most likely get you through the most basic verification where you only send your ID to them. It can become a nightmare later on when they demand utility bills, which is something many of us don't have because we rent out rooms and bills are paid by the landlord. Reputable casinos will not confiscate our funds without triggering their security system. If their security system is triggered and we are at fault, then no matter how early wes submit our KYC our account will still get banned. So better to read the terms of service before anything else/
What happens if their system gets triggered and we are not at fault? What if we win a lot of money and it suddenly becomes worth it for the casino to try to delay us with KYC and blame their security system. Anybody can fake the logs saying you've logged from a different IP. It's already a norm for casinos to ask KYC when they are withdrawing large amounts of BTC. Once they start asking KYC right after registration, users will already be alarmed for they have no reason yet to submit KYC nor to stay. Gamblers hop from one casino to another hoping for free spins to each. It's worth it for casinos to delay. So long as they won't get a negative rep from users, they might just delay for months. Its kinda way for casino to ask you to play once again coz maybe this time you'd lost those amount you wanted to withdraw.
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August 21, 2023, 07:42:15 PM |
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I don't know where some gamblers are getting their confidence from, do you know that online casinos can keep rejecting your ID after you made some high amount of money? Some people cares about winning first before passing KYC, it's cool you believe that you won't always win but the luck comes when we least expected.
Imagine winning and you find it hard to pass KYC, trapping your money on the casino for like ever.
The problem with some gamblers is awareness, when they open account in a casino that request for KYC, they may not ask for it initially, Casinos do that to invite people to put money in their custody but I feel it's really bad because it's a trap and gamblers that are not aware of this will think because deposit is working, they can withdraw after winning. The challenge here is that withdrawal button may not function at first and they will think it's because they are yet to deposit but as soon as they click withdraw, proceed to KYC will be the next step that will be required and it very bad, more like trapping players money. An experienced gamber will look out for any casino they want to use whether they request for KYC or not, I personally ask for opinions and reviews before I use any betting platforms and if they are KYC or non-KYC, it's safe e to use a non-KYC casino than the KYC one because the latter will ask you to even provide additional information if they are suspicious of your activities.
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August 21, 2023, 07:49:48 PM |
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I don't know where some gamblers are getting their confidence from, do you know that online casinos can keep rejecting your ID after you made some high amount of money? Some people cares about winning first before passing KYC, it's cool you believe that you won't always win but the luck comes when we least expected.
Can you provide evidence supporting that this case happened on reputable casino aside from the accusations of newbie user here without any proof that they submit the right format ID? I am also curious, since the casino have list of valid ID to be used in KYC, it is possible that the ID submitted by the player is not on the list of valid ID. If so then no matter how many times the player submit his ID if it is not the one recognized or required by the casino it will be rejected. A reputable casino will never do this kind of cheap trick and there’s always an arbitrage platform to handle case like this to prove who’s telling the truth between the casino and players. But I do agree that completing KYC earlier on a casino that you will deposit huge amount is a wise move to save time for verification waiting.
True that, reputable casino have lots to lose if they do this kind of cheap trick. I believe reputable casino won't compromise their reputation with just thousands of fund. They are spending more than that in their marketing activities, they will surely will not do things that will tarnish their reputation.
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August 21, 2023, 07:56:46 PM |
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I don't know where some gamblers are getting their confidence from, do you know that online casinos can keep rejecting your ID after you made some high amount of money? Some people cares about winning first before passing KYC, it's cool you believe that you won't always win but the luck comes when we least expected.
Imagine winning and you find it hard to pass KYC, trapping your money on the casino for like ever.
It's not always the casinos fault, I know some are dubious but the thing is KYC verification is something you should first deal with before making your first deposit.
Online casinos can be frustrating at times, some casino won't accept your submitted document even when you haven't make any deposit on the platform yet, so always confirm your identity first.
Submit your identity and wait for approval, do not be in haste to make deposit first, because the identity you submitted without a green approval from the team can still be rejected, take your time to get the passed approval first before proceeding with gambling.
Well, you are already presuming that you are already making some possible big wins and this is why you have said such thing but we know that it is really still that highly frowned upon on sending out documents just because you are trying out to avoid those situations on pulling up those big wins on the time that you do hit up such condition but we know that it is unlikely to happen but since you had mentioned about probabilities specially on luck games then i could say that its a yes but in overall, you wont really be needing to problem this one specially if you are really that dealing with a site or platform which is something that reputable and trusted for how many years on which pulling big or huge wins wont really be a hassle or a huge problem just because they are really that paying no matter what. If you are really that a fan on attaching yourself or trying out those new casinos or not so popular then expect that you would definitely be experiencing these stuffs which it do really sucks.In overall its really that totally highly frowned upon in speaking of KYC and never ever that crypto people or who do mind about their privacy would really be sending out their information before they would be playing. For sure they would be finding another place for them to play on.
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August 21, 2023, 07:58:12 PM |
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Submit your identity and wait for approval, do not be in haste to make deposit first, because the identity you submitted without a green approval from the team can still be rejected, take your time to get the passed approval first before proceeding with gambling.
I think there are still many casinos that do not require KYC at the beginning, especially for small gamblers, for them it will not be a problem, even the average of us playing at online casinos without KYC all runs smoothly in terms of deposits and withdrawals. Then why are you worried that the casino will reject your documents if sent? There are rules in some casinos always write no KYC but it will be needed if there is something suspicious then we must do if you want to withdraw your money. So far I don't go with your idea, still don't want KYC even though I have some casinos that have KYC.
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Seems like good advice. Especially if you gamble a lot and expect to have winnings. If you don’t ever plan to KYC then you might find yourself in a stressful situation if you do win, quickly turning a great moment into a miserable experience.
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Submit your identity and wait for approval, do not be in haste to make deposit first, because the identity you submitted without a green approval from the team can still be rejected, take your time to get the passed approval first before proceeding with gambling.
I think there are still many casinos that do not require KYC at the beginning, especially for small gamblers, for them it will not be a problem, even the average of us playing at online casinos without KYC all runs smoothly in terms of deposits and withdrawals. Then why are you worried that the casino will reject your documents if sent? There are rules in some casinos always write no KYC but it will be needed if there is something suspicious then we must do if you want to withdraw your money. So far I don't go with your idea, still don't want KYC even though I have some casinos that have KYC. If the casinos aren't asking for KYC then I think we should be glad about it because they are not that strict and if you're not doing something illegal to appear on their radar then it shouldn't be a problem as you are not likely to have some difficulties in your activities along the way including your winnings if you chose to withdraw it from their platform. But make sure that it's just a small deposit so that you can skate through their radar without being a threat to them and if you're someone who is a big roller, a reputable and established casino who asks a a mandatory KYC is for you, just to be safe.
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Submit your identity and wait for approval, do not be in haste to make deposit first, because the identity you submitted without a green approval from the team can still be rejected, take your time to get the passed approval first before proceeding with gambling.
If you gamble at a reputable, licensed and credible casino, things like what you say are very unlikely. although, there is no sure guarantee. however, a reputable and trustworthy casino would not do such things just to affect the bad reputation that could befall them. except, if indeed the data you sent did not pass KYC verification due to several factors. for example, invalid or other documents and so on. that is also why, we must be smart in choosing a casino that has been proven with the reputation they have. at least, for our safety and comfort as casino users. However, the ideas you share in this thread can be an option so you don't run into problems in the future. However, it doesn't guarantee that in time we might get some problems. there are various scenarios that can happen, it could be purely user error. Or, the casino you choose doesn't have the criteria of being a casino worth trusting. the point is, whatever it is you can do as you say. Most importantly, you have checked the casino you are going to use.
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In order for this to not happen, casinos that have KYC should make all accounts pass kyc before allowing them to bet. I've said it many times, I am not a fan of KYC but I do not own a casino.
That would make it more fair for both sides and eliminate a lot of problems that gamblers are facing at the moment: -no more lying about casinos being no kyc and then the same casinos asking for kyc at withdrawal -casinos using KYC to delay large withdrawals at times of low liquidity -casinos forcing KYC on users they suspect on gambling from a banned jurisdiction -demanding conditions that are impossible to meet by those who undergo KYC, like bills in English.
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August 22, 2023, 06:47:33 PM |
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Submit your identity and wait for approval, do not be in haste to make deposit first, because the identity you submitted without a green approval from the team can still be rejected, take your time to get the passed approval first before proceeding with gambling.
This is valid advice if you don't want to go through the rigorous process of forced KYC. Many people have lost money because of incomplete certification because they couldn't provide the information the casino was demanding after a big win. The casino can give you any conditions if your account has not been approved. Therefore it is important to read the terms of services and get approval for your account before you start any transaction with the casino. In order for this to not happen, casinos that have KYC should make all accounts pass kyc before allowing them to bet. I've said it many times, I am not a fan of KYC but I do not own a casino.
This is a perfect option for casinos to avoid these withdrawal dramas. But they will not adopt or implement such a policy because it might discourage gamblers from choosing their casino. They pretend not to require KYC to attract gamers and force them to give out their personal information when they want to withdraw or win big.
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I don't know where some gamblers are getting their confidence from, do you know that online casinos can keep rejecting your ID after you made some high amount of money? Some people cares about winning first before passing KYC, it's cool you believe that you won't always win but the luck comes when we least expected.
That make sense. A good solution to that is not to exceed the maximum limit of win before they impose a KYC to withdraw your money. It may not always be visible if how much was it, but not exceeding a thousand must be a safer range. A better solution would be to choose a reputable casino, one that you trust the most and stick playing their then pass KYC before any huge winning happens. Complying with KYC to a casino is a bit of risky choice, considering how they will handle these data that they have gathered from their clients, and at the same time, it's also an advantage for the casino as they have the right to freeze an account who does not want to comply with KYC. Kind of a bit frustrating for other gamblers who are afraid of the KYC.
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Imagine winning and you find it hard to pass KYC, trapping your money on the casino for like ever.
Then I would say it's a foolish casino which doesn't care about its own reputation, besides not having a long term vision of the business. Imagine how many negative ratings a casino would receive from the gambling community after a gambler shared his experience with proof he provided every asked personal informations to complete KYC procedure, still having it denied by the house. Maybe this gambler is a whale and will never deposit to play anymore on this platform. Moreover, he will take a large portion of another gamblers to do the same.
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