I can’t cope on my own. What do you think I should do?

[rahmad2nd]

According to the channel free games are limited and we can only enjoy for a month and now the month is almost over and only VIPs will be entitled to games when the month elapses. I have been having doubts whether to join the VIP zone because I don’t want to be scammed that’s why i want to know your opinions.

 What do you all think i should do?

First of all, I don't know in detail how your betting pattern is. referring to what you said, we have the same hobby which is betting on sports. the difference is you bet on football and basketball, while I only bet on football. something makes me want to ask you, do you bet on single bets, or multibet and so on. then, do you bet on all the matches you want, or how do you usually bet. because, referring to what you say, you always lose in the betting sessions that you do. I have two scenarios, maybe you bet on multibet. or, you do betting sessions continuously until you get the win you want.

By the way, my version of gambling is not betting on multiple matches. I will only choose from the many matches that will be held. for example every week the European league is usually held, and I will select from several teams that will compete. usually, I will only do 3 single bets out of many matches. it could even be less than that, or a little more. the second option, I can bet on a parlay, ideally 3 or 5 teams I choose. with a pattern like this, I won't spend much time. if I'm lucky, I'll win the singles bet. conversely, if my prediction misses, it means I lost the bet.

Well, referring to another point. actually I have never been involved in joining the channel as you tell in this thread. because, I only rely on the insights that I have and don't forget to involve knowledge, research and analysis. and the outcome, depending, because in sports betting nothing is certain. So, I'll just suggest. if you want to enjoy the betting session that you are doing, you should involve knowledge and insight related to sports. way, you can learn more about the sport itself. whatever it is, at least you have a little picture and analysis of how a match will take place. Finally, you can bet after going through a series of research and analysis that you did.

[SOKO-DEKE]

What do you all think i should do?

I think this decision should be based on your own research, and if I am clear, I thought you said you had tried some of their games and won. I may say you have done some research, but I wouldn't advise you to subscribe to their VIP program due to the fact that scammers are rampant on different social media platforms now and using different tactics to scam people, and many of them are very smart, so I will ask you to be conscious about giving money to people that you don't know physically.
 
I have one friend who has experienced this type of sure game in the Telegram channel before, and it later led to scamming after he subscribed to VIP Finish. It is not that the Telegram channel was not providing games for them, but the games they were giving my friends were not sure games because he loses often, like if they gave him like seven bets, he will just win like one or two times and till going to be small odds like 3 or 4 odds, and the tactics those people usually use are that they always give different games to different people so that all the subscribers would lose at once, so lucky people win sometime. So I see many of these people on these Telegram channels who always claim they have sure games as liars because they also do predict like us.

[summonerrk]

I think you should make decisions only on your own and not look around, and also try to control your expenses if you still don't do it. In gambling, you need to be able to analyze information only with your mind, because we all start like this.
Do not rely on friends, or read those who recommend who to bet on in the game.
So we transfer responsibility to others, while losing money through their fault. You need to make decisions based only on your own conclusions, and if something fails, then blame only yourself. And I think this is the only way to play correctly, being aware of the consequences.

Friends have obstructed things up for me in the long term in gambling, but they may also have provided of vital importance aides to my advancement in the system. I've learnt to make things go my way; it's imperative that we adjust swiftly to the system. We have a tendency to make mistakes because we are humans; we cannot have everything correct all of the time, and when we do, we must either correct them or leave them untouched; the final decision is ours to control. We've grown up and no longer allow others to make decisions for us; instead, we take the initiative and make critical decisions that will benefit us in the long run.

Independence is the only right way that allows you to analyze your results without interference from the outside. Whether it's the results of gambling or success in life. It is not necessary to make decisions based on the opinions of other people, because then you do not understand all the justifications for such decisions. It's better to stuff your bumps, but in the end make the right conclusions. In terms of gambling, this means to test your strategy, or your vision of the path to victory. Summing up the above, I will say that I do not ask others myself, but I also do not like to share my opinion. Because it is based on my conclusions that I made through financial mistakes. And they are the conclusion of my actions.

[Pierre 2]

I always consider that if someone is claiming he is master at gambling and winning all the time why would he need to sell vip group memberships? Its obvious that even if guy is experienced, he is trying to generate money by selling memberships. Its scam in my opinion but some people think its "you get what you want" type of business. He is literally selling you strategies sugar coated by group memberships.

[arwin100]

I think you should make decisions only on your own and not look around, and also try to control your expenses if you still don't do it. In gambling, you need to be able to analyze information only with your mind, because we all start like this.
Do not rely on friends, or read those who recommend who to bet on in the game.
So we transfer responsibility to others, while losing money through their fault. You need to make decisions based only on your own conclusions, and if something fails, then blame only yourself. And I think this is the only way to play correctly, being aware of the consequences.

Friends have obstructed things up for me in the long term in gambling, but they may also have provided of vital importance aides to my advancement in the system. I've learnt to make things go my way; it's imperative that we adjust swiftly to the system. We have a tendency to make mistakes because we are humans; we cannot have everything correct all of the time, and when we do, we must either correct them or leave them untouched; the final decision is ours to control. We've grown up and no longer allow others to make decisions for us; instead, we take the initiative and make critical decisions that will benefit us in the long run.

Independence is the only right way that allows you to analyze your results without interference from the outside. Whether it's the results of gambling or success in life. It is not necessary to make decisions based on the opinions of other people, because then you do not understand all the justifications for such decisions. It's better to stuff your bumps, but in the end make the right conclusions. In terms of gambling, this means to test your strategy, or your vision of the path to victory. Summing up the above, I will say that I do not ask others myself, but I also do not like to share my opinion. Because it is based on my conclusions that I made through financial mistakes. And they are the conclusion of my actions.

Wrong to rely your decision base to the people around you since they might not give you good inputs since they are also speculating on the results. That's why we need to avoid this mistake and always do our own research so that we can create our own decisions base to the information we gather and avoid mistakes that is avoidable. Gambling needs personal attention so we shouldn't rely all to other people since it can ruin us totally.

If we can't do right decision since we are new then better observe the activity of the old gamblers since for sure we can learn a lot from them.

[summonerrk]

I think you should make decisions only on your own and not look around, and also try to control your expenses if you still don't do it. In gambling, you need to be able to analyze information only with your mind, because we all start like this.
Do not rely on friends, or read those who recommend who to bet on in the game.
So we transfer responsibility to others, while losing money through their fault. You need to make decisions based only on your own conclusions, and if something fails, then blame only yourself. And I think this is the only way to play correctly, being aware of the consequences.

Friends have obstructed things up for me in the long term in gambling, but they may also have provided of vital importance aides to my advancement in the system. I've learnt to make things go my way; it's imperative that we adjust swiftly to the system. We have a tendency to make mistakes because we are humans; we cannot have everything correct all of the time, and when we do, we must either correct them or leave them untouched; the final decision is ours to control. We've grown up and no longer allow others to make decisions for us; instead, we take the initiative and make critical decisions that will benefit us in the long run.

Independence is the only right way that allows you to analyze your results without interference from the outside. Whether it's the results of gambling or success in life. It is not necessary to make decisions based on the opinions of other people, because then you do not understand all the justifications for such decisions. It's better to stuff your bumps, but in the end make the right conclusions. In terms of gambling, this means to test your strategy, or your vision of the path to victory. Summing up the above, I will say that I do not ask others myself, but I also do not like to share my opinion. Because it is based on my conclusions that I made through financial mistakes. And they are the conclusion of my actions.

Wrong to rely your decision base to the people around you since they might not give you good inputs since they are also speculating on the results. That's why we need to avoid this mistake and always do our own research so that we can create our own decisions base to the information we gather and avoid mistakes that is avoidable. Gambling needs personal attention so we shouldn't rely all to other people since it can ruin us totally.

If we can't do right decision since we are new then better observe the activity of the old gamblers since for sure we can learn a lot from them.

I do not dispute that you need to learn from experienced ones, and this is probably the best way, because, for example, artists learn from Vedic artists by copying their paintings, and beginners in gambling and trading copy the experienced player they like.
This is correct, but only if the beginner perfectly understands the cause-and-effect relationship of actions, and does not blindly copy actions.
You must always be conscious in making your decisions.But I am sure that most people would rather rely on others, then blame them for such actions.

[Helena Yu]

I always consider that if someone is claiming he is master at gambling and winning all the time why would he need to sell vip group memberships? Its obvious that even if guy is experienced, he is trying to generate money by selling memberships. Its scam in my opinion but some people think its "you get what you want" type of business. He is literally selling you strategies sugar coated by group memberships.

Correct, they're actually make money through selling memberships. Motivators are make money by views on Youtube, influencers are making money through advertisement or affiliate marketing. There's no free lunch, they're just find a way to make money and we should use our logic about it.

It's similar like an old friend contact and act very nice to you, that's not because he want to built a good relationship with you, but he want to ask for money.

[Porfirii]

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I do not dispute that you need to learn from experienced ones, and this is probably the best way, because, for example, artists learn from Vedic artists by copying their paintings, and beginners in gambling and trading copy the experienced player they like.
This is correct, but only if the beginner perfectly understands the cause-and-effect relationship of actions, and does not blindly copy actions.
You must always be conscious in making your decisions.But I am sure that most people would rather rely on others, then blame them for such actions.

But we are talking about sports bets, not any technique with a consensus. Even if you know a lot about a certain sport, it is almost impossible to consistently win: the knowledge leads to a false sense of control, as the variables for a certain result are many more than we could calculate on beforehand.

OP himself said that he knows a lot about football and basket, and kept loosing. About copying, I think that you've simply had luck, but nothing guarantees further winnings if you pay for VIP subscription. In fact, you're thinking about joining because you had good luck, but think that those in similar groups who weren't so lucky won't be thinking on joining them. That's the way they work: statistically a small percentage of followers will consistently win, until their luck changes; if they decide to pay before that change, it is profit for the group.

[slapper]

What do you all think i should do?

I think this decision should be based on your own research, and if I am clear, I thought you said you had tried some of their games and won. I may say you have done some research, but I wouldn't advise you to subscribe to their VIP program due to the fact that scammers are rampant on different social media platforms now and using different tactics to scam people, and many of them are very smart, so I will ask you to be conscious about giving money to people that you don't know physically.
 
I have one friend who has experienced this type of sure game in the Telegram channel before, and it later led to scamming after he subscribed to VIP Finish. It is not that the Telegram channel was not providing games for them, but the games they were giving my friends were not sure games because he loses often, like if they gave him like seven bets, he will just win like one or two times and till going to be small odds like 3 or 4 odds, and the tactics those people usually use are that they always give different games to different people so that all the subscribers would lose at once, so lucky people win sometime. So I see many of these people on these Telegram channels who always claim they have sure games as liars because they also do predict like us.

Not every service is a rip-off! I've gambled - HEALTHILY - on some of the most prestigious platforms and came out on top. So don't blanket your singular experiences over every channel.

Now, you’re right, caution is good. But completely trashing VIP programs? It's like you're turning down a gold mine just because someone else found coal. My advice? Maybe you and your friend should get better at spotting the good from the bad. And as for these "sure games", of course they predict! It's called STRATEGY. You need to understand that every system has its hits and misses. Don't dismiss a platform just because you got the short end of the stick once. It’s a game of persistence and knowledge

[topbitcoin]

I always consider that if someone is claiming he is master at gambling and winning all the time why would he need to sell vip group memberships? Its obvious that even if guy is experienced, he is trying to generate money by selling memberships. Its scam in my opinion but some people think its "you get what you want" type of business. He is literally selling you strategies sugar coated by group memberships.

Yes.. I think this is also closer to the element of fraud. I don't think they are experts, it's just that they understand gambling.
But I also believe that there are people who are experts at gambling. In my opinion, when someone is an expert at gambling, it is not easy for him to share the knowledge he has, even with people he knows and they will not be easily tempted by some money for the knowledge he has worked hard for. Someone who is already an expert in gambling will not easily come to the surface and will only pass on their knowledge to people they trust so that there will be successors. Because trust is more expensive and cannot be bought with money.

[Dickiy]

I always consider that if someone is claiming he is master at gambling and winning all the time why would he need to sell vip group memberships? Its obvious that even if guy is experienced, he is trying to generate money by selling memberships. Its scam in my opinion but some people think its "you get what you want" type of business. He is literally selling you strategies sugar coated by group memberships.

Correct, they're actually make money through selling memberships. Motivators are make money by views on Youtube, influencers are making money through advertisement or affiliate marketing. There's no free lunch, they're just find a way to make money and we should use our logic about it.

It's similar like an old friend contact and act very nice to you, that's not because he want to built a good relationship with you, but he want to ask for money.

That's right, to be honest what you're saying makes a lot of sense and I understand that I'm kinda questioning this too. They are content creators and influencers who always suggest or recommend joining certain groups that they consider VIP and we can get a lot of things from there. That's right, there is no free lunch, after all, everyone wants money, that doesn't mean they are good, but they take advantage of opportunities in various places that they can reach and can get lots of members to then make a profit. inside it. If we really think logically then I think we will know the real truth in this context. The point is don't believe too much in anything that comes to you, look for the truth first and if it makes sense then go ahead.

[Cling18]

I always consider that if someone is claiming he is master at gambling and winning all the time why would he need to sell vip group memberships? Its obvious that even if guy is experienced, he is trying to generate money by selling memberships. Its scam in my opinion but some people think its "you get what you want" type of business. He is literally selling you strategies sugar coated by group memberships.

Correct, they're actually make money through selling memberships. Motivators are make money by views on Youtube, influencers are making money through advertisement or affiliate marketing. There's no free lunch, they're just find a way to make money and we should use our logic about it.

It's similar like an old friend contact and act very nice to you, that's not because he want to built a good relationship with you, but he want to ask for money.

That's right, to be honest what you're saying makes a lot of sense and I understand that I'm kinda questioning this too. They are content creators and influencers who always suggest or recommend joining certain groups that they consider VIP and we can get a lot of things from there. That's right, there is no free lunch, after all, everyone wants money, that doesn't mean they are good, but they take advantage of opportunities in various places that they can reach and can get lots of members to then make a profit. inside it. If we really think logically then I think we will know the real truth in this context. The point is don't believe too much in anything that comes to you, look for the truth first and if it makes sense then go ahead.

Anyone can claim that they are a master of a certain game, it's easy to create a Telegram channel to attract people but we shouldn't fall for their trap as most of them are just aiming to make money from their victims. We should be skeptical not to easily fall for them.
Deep research is always important and keep in mind that gambling is a game of luck where your friends could be luckier than you or vice versa. You have to cope up with the risks and never expect that you can have the same path as others. If you are continuously losing, you better check your weaknesses and mistakes so you'll know how to make them right and more effective next time.

[Casdinyard]

I say this is a common scam bait made by people to lure in unsuspecting people who are down on their lucks. I'm not saying that they don't have a strategy or a system to get that high of a win rate, but what they do after receiving your pay is either just ghost you for your money outright, or include you back into the channel and give you calls that aren't going to work so you would pay them for a higher subscription. I'm also not saying that there aren't legitimate ones out there but in my opinion, you shouldn't be paying for stuff you can just get for free.

I say you observe the channel and ask for testimonials among random members, ask them if it was legitimate or whatnot, research as well if they have a reputation among the sportsbet industry.

[Yatsan]

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According to the channel free games are limited and we can only enjoy for a month and now the month is almost over and only VIPs will be entitled to games when the month elapses. I have been having doubts whether to join the VIP zone because I don’t want to be scammed that’s why i want to know your opinions.

 What do you all think i should do?

What do you think?
You have already mentioned it; you're afraid to get scammed and you're also losing in sportsbetting with your own analysis. No one wins without losing. If you really think you are having a bad experience in sportsbetting then why don't you stop then? You're still here 'coz you want something then you should be pushing yourelf to achieve that. You have a choice whether to try risking a few amount for that VIP and see it for yourself or improve your analysis and bet on your own or to simply quit on sports betting and move to other gambling game. Sometimes the answer to our question is obvious and we just tend to not mind it 'coz we are looking for an answer from other people. Do what you think would work on your end and don't rely with other's opinion.

[2double0]

If the guy is actually so much profitable, why didn't you share his telegram handle or the channel URL here?
None of my business actually. Anyways, I would say you can go ahead and purchase the VIP if it doesn't cost more than 10% of your total bankroll, else don't go for it because you will try to recover your costs by betting big and may lose big if the VIP group bets don't prove to their worth.

[Marykeller]

If the money that has been charged for the VIP zone section can be affordable for you, you can give it trier by subscribing to it. But if you can't easily afford the money that is being asked for, you should stay away from the telegram channel.

I know gambling channels like this exist on Telegram channel and also on Facebook. What I do know is that they do pay to join the groups for sure games and those that I have heard that have subscribed to them, I haven't heard them complain of being scammed. What I see them do is resell the betting games they got from the gambling channels, whether telegram or Facebook to their friends to indirectly make money out of their betting games given to them.

Am not trying to tell you to try your luck or convince you with what others do. I don't want you to subscribe because of that reason. You know why? You might be unlucky to end up subscribing to a scam telegram channel. Which will not be a good experience for you. 

[South Park]

I have been into sports betting for a while now and i am not really proud of my earliest experience in gambling, i feel like i am the most unlucky person in the world i lost a lot of games and also i lost a lot of money. I had knowledge about football and basketball games and they were my most picked games and even so I kept losing all my bets and even when i try to play safe i still end up losing and whenever i ask my friends for games we still end up losing the bet then i got tired and in the end i gave up and tried to quit gambling and I left it for some months. During this period my friends made a lot of money gambling and i was envious of them but it didn’t made me change my mind to start gambling over again.

Some months later i came across a telegram channel and i joined, it was a gambling channel that posted free sports bets for its users and there is also a VIP section where users subscribe for some sure games. I am well aware of all these techniques used by scammers so I decided to observe the channel and follow up games posted and I discovered he won most of the games and had about 80% victory rate. Then after some time I decided to try my luck again so I played one of his games and i won i was so happy and it was as though the curse placed on me has been lifted and I tried some more games and i won again and again and since the beginning of the new season i only lost twice and i am now proud of my gambling achievements.

According to the channel free games are limited and we can only enjoy for a month and now the month is almost over and only VIPs will be entitled to games when the month elapses. I have been having doubts whether to join the VIP zone because I don’t want to be scammed that’s why i want to know your opinions.

 What do you all think i should do?

Deep down you know this is a scam, however because of how you feel when you win you are willing to forget about it and take the risk, when you say that this person has predicted most of the games right I believe you, however this is not sustainable, even the best sport bettors around the world cannot maintain that kind of winning rate, so the person behind that channel is just getting lucky and for sure they are going to use that in order to try to extract as much money as possible from the people that have been watching their channel.

[stomachgrowls]

I always consider that if someone is claiming he is master at gambling and winning all the time why would he need to sell vip group memberships? Its obvious that even if guy is experienced, he is trying to generate money by selling memberships. Its scam in my opinion but some people think its "you get what you want" type of business. He is literally selling you strategies sugar coated by group memberships.

Correct, they're actually make money through selling memberships. Motivators are make money by views on Youtube, influencers are making money through advertisement or affiliate marketing. There's no free lunch, they're just find a way to make money and we should use our logic about it.

It's similar like an old friend contact and act very nice to you, that's not because he want to built a good relationship with you, but he want to ask for money.

That's right, to be honest what you're saying makes a lot of sense and I understand that I'm kinda questioning this too. They are content creators and influencers who always suggest or recommend joining certain groups that they consider VIP and we can get a lot of things from there. That's right, there is no free lunch, after all, everyone wants money, that doesn't mean they are good, but they take advantage of opportunities in various places that they can reach and can get lots of members to then make a profit. inside it. If we really think logically then I think we will know the real truth in this context. The point is don't believe too much in anything that comes to you, look for the truth first and if it makes sense then go ahead.

Anyone can claim that they are a master of a certain game, it's easy to create a Telegram channel to attract people but we shouldn't fall for their trap as most of them are just aiming to make money from their victims. We should be skeptical not to easily fall for them.
Deep research is always important and keep in mind that gambling is a game of luck where your friends could be luckier than you or vice versa. You have to cope up with the risks and never expect that you can have the same path as others. If you are continuously losing, you better check your weaknesses and mistakes so you'll know how to make them right and more effective next time.

Better do on your own rather than on making yourself that be relying on what other peoples picks whether a group or a certain individual.Nothing beats out if you are really making out bets out of your own analysis rather than

on others which is something that you would be needing to mind off realistically. On the time that you do make yourself get convinced that they are really making some wins on your part on higher chance then its your
choice on paying up with that VIP fees but actually its not really that something that would really be that recommended because its true that there are lots of those fraudsters who do claim out on having that good
percentage winning bets and its not really that something that solid to believe on just because you've seen several or couple of wins on your betting.

Better to bet on your own basing up with your own knowledge and analysis rather than on heavily relying with other picks which arent supposed to be done and its not worth on paying up some
sub fees just because you do like to changed up your gambling or betting results or career.

[Woodie]

I have been into sports betting for a while now and i am not really proud of my earliest experience in gambling, i feel like i am the most unlucky person in the world i lost a lot of games and also i lost a lot of money.

The name of the game is resilience! Believe it or not but everyone goes through a bad run of games and if you keep playing sooner or later you get to hit some winners.

Btw, the more you play with accumulators the more your chances of losing, so to be on the winning side try single bets.

I had knowledge about football and basketball games and they were my most picked games and even so I kept losing all my bets and even when i try to play safe i still end up losing and whenever i ask my friends for games we still end up losing the bet then i got tired and in the end i gave up and tried to quit gambling

These so called safe bets are actually the money traps, and if you keep playing them its difficult  to recover once you hit a loser and overall you need like X4 , X5 to win back which messes with your physiology which leads to more losses. I suggest changing strategy if you still gambling.

[livingfree]

You said that you know football and basketball, that's more than enough already to gamble on your own. Losing is there even if you join that VIP status that they're offering.

Just accept the fact that we win sometimes and lose many times. This is the reality in gambling and these channels could give us the benefit depending on your experience.

But for the majority, we're not really in favor of those.