[No KYC] Prepaid Cards and Virtual Phone Numbers are available on Stealths

[dkbit98]

New Product: PDS Mastercard Prepaid

There is one part that doesn't sound good and I don't like it, there is a chance of provider asking for KYC verification, so it's not recommended for anyone who want's to avoid that:

If you encounter a problem with card, you need to contact PDS support and they might require KYC.

What happened to all other cards that were previously available on your website?
Now I can only see VISA prepaid card with 3ds, and this new PDS Mastercard (not counting gif cards).

[StealthsNet]

New Product: PDS Mastercard Prepaid

There is one part that doesn't sound good and I don't like it, there is a chance of provider asking for KYC verification, so it's not recommended for anyone who want's to avoid that:

If you encounter a problem with card, you need to contact PDS support and they might require KYC.

What happened to all other cards that were previously available on your website?
Now I can only see VISA prepaid card with 3ds, and this new PDS Mastercard (not counting gif cards).

Hi, we provide card activation code for PDS. But similar to MyPrepaidCenter, it must be activated on provider's website. By the way we haven't faced such KYC issue so far, however we are obligated to provide all informations. Always recommended to test with small amount at first.

We used to have 2 other options; MyPrepaidCenter Mastercard and VISA US gift card. Issuer bank changed their program rules, PDS is a good replacement for MyPrepaidCenter however we are aware of that VISA US gift card is needed. Hopefully it will be added back to our service in following days.

[StealthsNet]

Service Updates:
- VISA International Prepaid Card currency is changed from EUR to USD and maximum limit has been lifted to $2,000. Cards are still being provided by same company. https://stealths.net/product/visa-prepaid-usd
- VISA US Gift Cards are back with a maximum limit of $1,000. https://stealths.net/product/visa-giftcard-auto
- PDS Mastercard service has been restroyed. https://stealths.net/product/pds-mastercard-auto

[Lucius]

Service Updates:
- VISA International Prepaid Card currency is changed from EUR to USD and maximum limit has been lifted to $2,000. Cards are still being provided by same company. https://stealths.net/product/visa-prepaid-usd
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I made a suggestion, but I didn't think that you would remove EUR completely - because all that had to be done was to enable the option that whoever buys the card can choose between $ or EUR - of course, all to avoid the confusion mentioned in previous posts. Now we have the "problem" that the card balance is in $, and this makes it difficult to monitor the balance on the card for those who pay in EUR.

If I have $100 left on my card and I want to pay something in that price range, I must first calculate how much it is in EUR because it may happen that the transaction is rejected. In addition, the conversion rate from USD to EUR is constantly changing, and the question is, what is the official exchange rate that we should use?

[StealthsNet]

Service Updates:
- VISA International Prepaid Card currency is changed from EUR to USD and maximum limit has been lifted to $2,000. Cards are still being provided by same company. https://stealths.net/product/visa-prepaid-usd
~snip~

I made a suggestion, but I didn't think that you would remove EUR completely - because all that had to be done was to enable the option that whoever buys the card can choose between $ or EUR - of course, all to avoid the confusion mentioned in previous posts. Now we have the "problem" that the card balance is in $, and this makes it difficult to monitor the balance on the card for those who pay in EUR.

If I have $100 left on my card and I want to pay something in that price range, I must first calculate how much it is in EUR because it may happen that the transaction is rejected. In addition, the conversion rate from USD to EUR is constantly changing, and the question is, what is the official exchange rate that we should use?

The base currency of VISA international cards was always "USD". When you bought €100 card, card balance was being converted to USD up on the activation (this is explained on product page). Now we removed that to avoid currency exchange confusions. So actually EUR cards were not solving the problem you mentioned.

Card provider uses VISA's real time exchange rate, they don't charge additional fee for foreign currency payments. But you can calculate -1% less to make sure transaction doesn't get declined.

[dkbit98]

- VISA US Gift Cards are back with a maximum limit of $1,000. https://stealths.net/product/visa-giftcard-auto

I am reading the details and terms about this card and it is saying that it only works in the United States.
Does that mean that it can't be used with merchants and websites that are located in Europe and other regions outside US?

- PDS Mastercard service has been restroyed. https://stealths.net/product/pds-mastercard-auto

What does restroyed mean exactly?

[StealthsNet]

- VISA US Gift Cards are back with a maximum limit of $1,000. https://stealths.net/product/visa-giftcard-auto

I am reading the details and terms about this card and it is saying that it only works in the United States.
Does that mean that it can't be used with merchants and websites that are located in Europe and other regions outside US?

- PDS Mastercard service has been restroyed. https://stealths.net/product/pds-mastercard-auto

What does restroyed mean exactly?

Yes, VISA Gift Card (US) product work only in the United States merchants. For other countries, you may consider using VISA International Prepaid Card.

PDS Mastercard service was closed for new orders for a few days, we fixed the problem and launched it again.

[LeGaulois]

If someone knows the answer to this:

The website says the card supports 3D secure.

How it's possible if the card issuer does't know my phone number and there is no app. I can't follow the verification protocol

TYVM

edit:

PDS Mastercard service was closed for new orders for a few days, we fixed the problem and launched it again.

The VISA International Prepaid Card (USD) is also issued by PDS? 

[StealthsNet]

If someone knows the answer to this:

The website says the card supports 3D secure.

How it's possible if the card issuer does't know my phone number and there is no app. I can't follow the verification protocol

TYVM

edit:

PDS Mastercard service was closed for new orders for a few days, we fixed the problem and launched it again.

The VISA International Prepaid Card (USD) is also issued by PDS?  

This card has auto-3D feature, which doesn't require an action from you such as entering auth code. All 3D requests are automatically approved by card issuer.

Only PDS Mastercard is issued by Prepaid Digital Solutions.

[Pmalek]

This card has auto-3D feature, which doesn't require an action from you such as entering auth code. All 3D requests are automatically approved by card issuer.

In that case, it's a slight downgrade security-wise. The standard security model requires the owner of the card to confirm each transaction using a code they receive on their registered phone number. It's 2FA. If you get rid of that, there is no longer a second authentication, and anyone with my card details (which I must protect anyways) would be able to make transactions. Am I correct? Can I at least block the card and freeze its spending capabilities anytime I don't want to use it?

[StealthsNet]

This card has auto-3D feature, which doesn't require an action from you such as entering auth code. All 3D requests are automatically approved by card issuer.

In that case, it's a slight downgrade security-wise. The standard security model requires the owner of the card to confirm each transaction using a code they receive on their registered phone number. It's 2FA. If you get rid of that, there is no longer a second authentication, and anyone with my card details (which I must protect anyways) would be able to make transactions. Am I correct? Can I at least block the card and freeze its spending capabilities anytime I don't want to use it?

You are right, anyone who knows card details can make a purchase (just like no-3D cards). This is obviously a downside however there is not any other prepaid card issuer with 3D support and no-KYC requirement. As far as I know, it's possible to block card details on VISA International Prepaid Card.

[Pmalek]

You are right, anyone who knows card details can make a purchase (just like no-3D cards). This is obviously a downside however there is not any other prepaid card issuer with 3D support and no-KYC requirement. As far as I know, it's possible to block card details on VISA International Prepaid Card.

Are you aware of any cases where the auto-3D feature stopped working, preventing a genuine user from using the card until your support checked what's wrong?
I am looking at your international VISA prepaid card. Is this country list up-to-date?
The product description says there is no currency conversion fee. Can you share the source you use to convert between USD and other national currencies?

[StealthsNet]

You are right, anyone who knows card details can make a purchase (just like no-3D cards). This is obviously a downside however there is not any other prepaid card issuer with 3D support and no-KYC requirement. As far as I know, it's possible to block card details on VISA International Prepaid Card.

Are you aware of any cases where the auto-3D feature stopped working, preventing a genuine user from using the card until your support checked what's wrong?
I am looking at your international VISA prepaid card. Is this country list up-to-date?
The product description says there is no currency conversion fee. Can you share the source you use to convert between USD and other national currencies?

To clarify, we are not the card issuer. We are reselling prepaid cards which are issued by U.S. banks via licensed card issuers. Card issuer uses VISA's exchange rates, I believe you can find it on VISA's website.
We haven't had any issue with 3D security so far, it's sold as "international" so this is why it's enabled. Country list is up-to-date.

[Lucius]

In that case, it's a slight downgrade security-wise. The standard security model requires the owner of the card to confirm each transaction using a code they receive on their registered phone number. It's 2FA. If you get rid of that, there is no longer a second authentication, and anyone with my card details (which I must protect anyways) would be able to make transactions. Am I correct? Can I at least block the card and freeze its spending capabilities anytime I don't want to use it?

The thing is not ideal when it comes to security, but considering that you can buy an unlimited number of cards, then you can choose the amounts on them in relation to whether you want to use them for online purchases where you have to enter the card data, or you will use the card exclusively to add to Google/Apple wallet on your mobile phone and pay through POS devices that way.

I think that the possibilities of abuse are very small and that it all depends on how you store the card information. It is important that the e-mail you will use to receive the card information after payment is secure, because it seems to me that this is one of the ways that someone could get hold of the card information, unless of course you enter it yourself on a phishing site.

[Osmium Naka Moto]

1. Both the VISA International Prepaid Card (USD) and the PDS Mastercard Prepaid is showing a Min of $5.00, but a Max of $0.00. Coding error or is the card taken down?

2. Trying to pay for Apple Developer's Program with this. Wonder if there's any known trouble with Apple Store payment (Apple Developer's Program payment link jumps to Apple Store for payment processing).

3. Does the VISA International Prepaid Card's 3DS has associated phone number and address? So that I can match my Apple ID account address & number to it, in case Apple cross checks whether the account address matches the billing address?

Thanks

[StealthsNet]

1. Both the VISA International Prepaid Card (USD) and the PDS Mastercard Prepaid is showing a Min of $5.00, but a Max of $0.00. Coding error or is the card taken down?

2. Trying to pay for Apple Developer's Program with this. Wonder if there's any known trouble with Apple Store payment (Apple Developer's Program payment link jumps to Apple Store for payment processing).

3. Does the VISA International Prepaid Card's 3DS has associated phone number and address? So that I can match my Apple ID account address & number to it, in case Apple cross checks whether the account address matches the billing address?

Thanks

1. There was a temporary maintenance on VISA international cards, you should be able to purchase now.
2. You can't use it on Apple Store, they don't accept prepaid cards.
3. You can use any address and phone number, no address is linked to the card.

[Osmium Naka Moto]

1. There was a temporary maintenance on VISA international cards, you should be able to purchase now.
2. You can't use it on Apple Store, they don't accept prepaid cards.
3. You can use any address and phone number, no address is linked to the card.

That's a pity. I successfully used PST.net before with Apple and they had no problem accepted small amount of BTC with no KYC. Recently, I tried several times and burnt a bunch of sats only to have it eaten by their KYC process. But their 3DS card was able to pay for Apple Store stuff before... Still looking for a Virtual card provider that can be used with Apple...

[StealthsNet]

1. There was a temporary maintenance on VISA international cards, you should be able to purchase now.
2. You can't use it on Apple Store, they don't accept prepaid cards.
3. You can use any address and phone number, no address is linked to the card.

That's a pity. I successfully used PST.net before with Apple and they had no problem accepted small amount of BTC with no KYC. Recently, I tried several times and burnt a bunch of sats only to have it eaten by their KYC process. But their 3DS card was able to pay for Apple Store stuff before... Still looking for a Virtual card provider that can be used with Apple...

As far as I know they are providing virtual cards, not prepaid cards. This is probably the reason you were able to use it on Apple Store.

[dkbit98]

Still looking for a Virtual card provider that can be used with Apple...

I think your best option is to look for apple gift cards.
There was several providers (Bitrefill, thebitcoincompany.com) who sold them for bitcoin and other cryptocurrency, but I am not sure they are still offering them.
Just make sure to use matching IP address to avoid getting rejected.

As far as I know they are providing virtual cards, not prepaid cards. This is probably the reason you were able to use it on Apple Store.

Is there any chance Stealths could provide non-kyc physical cards in future?
There is a demand for products like this.

PS
I just noticed Stealths has been listed on Kycnot.me:
https://kycnot.me/service/stealths

[StealthsNet]

Is there any chance Stealths could provide non-kyc physical cards in future?
There is a demand for products like this.

We actually had some meetings with card issuers and it seems like that's possible to have no-KYC physical cards (even with decent ATM withdrawal limits). It's currently unaffordable for us but in the future I hope yes.

I just noticed Stealths has been listed on Kycnot.me:
https://kycnot.me/service/stealths

Yes, they listed us 1 month ago after several months of waiting.    Better late than never tho.