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August 23, 2023, 08:58:40 PM |
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Isnt this a cute way to oversimplify how important star players are? You suppose "playing part of a game" or "being replaced"? Sports are not all or nothing. Its not checkers. Seeing a star player alone impacts the game mentally and strategically.
Stories, narratives, and powerful people move us. Sports and people are drawn to these folks. Messi and Ronaldo arent just big names or flashy brands; they're the best examples of how humans have changed over time. They strain their physical and mental limitations on the pitch.
Now, about the chance of winning a bet: of course they do! Bookies are smart. The odds consider a player's name, recent performance, and strategy impact. Its stupid to disagree. In order to calculate the probabilities of these "four levels of contribution," you should first understand how they are linked rather than arranging them in boxes like a child's puzzle.
Star players will be the turning point in the game,the star players will impact both the match and the team.Most of us come across the names of Messi and Ronaldo, this player not only earn the name for them.They also made their team name to the world fans.The name of this player is not a brand, but they made their name as an brand.All the sports person now know the name of this two people.If you chosen the star players,the possibility of winning is very high.For this reason the bookies choose based on the players performance all the time.Maximum the key players will made their best game and allow you to win more money.Only on the rare of rarest time,their performance will not upto the expected and that game may be leads to the loss. Bare in mind on such one possible scenario, who would really be on their right minds as a bookie that setting out favorites and giving those odds if they do know that the star player wont really be playing? Of course it would really be that making out that kind of effect in speaking about odds of a match bet. Specially on a team based type of sport then it would really be just that understandable that presence of their star player would really be giving out that kind of boost of moral in between their team members which it would really be tha significant thats why on the time that their star playe is absent or not really that able to play the game then bettors would already know on what they should gonna do. They wont really be that so dumb or naive on betting on a team despite of being that favorite but if their main player isnt there then there's no point on doing that.
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August 23, 2023, 09:02:07 PM |
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Well, if I know that some star players will miss the next game I will think about my bet twice. And if we adjust our bets depending on the players, for sure these players affect the odds as well. Many factors play a role in creating odds in betting, but I guess we can be sure that the "status" of some players plays one of the significant roles in creating odds.
It is also about the mystification of some names and talents within the world of sports, specially in football/soccer. It just take a look on how Messi dingle handily managed to make the difference within the Miami Inter and its recognition around the world. Sure, a single player does not make a team but reputation cannot be underestimated. If Argentina was to play in a World Cup, for example, and his star player was not able to participate for whatever reason, I think there would be people who would feel reluctant to bet as much as they planned to. So, yes; I think some single players can move the odds on bookies.
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August 23, 2023, 09:45:11 PM |
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Well, if I know that some star players will miss the next game I will think about my bet twice. And if we adjust our bets depending on the players, for sure these players affect the odds as well. Many factors play a role in creating odds in betting, but I guess we can be sure that the "status" of some players plays one of the significant roles in creating odds.
It is also about the mystification of some names and talents within the world of sports, specially in football/soccer. It just take a look on how Messi dingle handily managed to make the difference within the Miami Inter and its recognition around the world. Sure, a single player does not make a team but reputation cannot be underestimated. If Argentina was to play in a World Cup, for example, and his star player was not able to participate for whatever reason, I think there would be people who would feel reluctant to bet as much as they planned to. So, yes; I think some single players can move the odds on bookies. Funny enough is the truth that there's a star player in every team. Some just shine brighter than others. In my opinion, It is not sufficient to make bookies give odds just to favor a team over another, unless it is that there are more star players, team spirit, in that team, compared to the other team. If a team has like 3star players and want to play a match against a side with 5star players, it is obvious to say that 5star man team gets great odds. I also think if a team has been known to produce or harness star players consecutively, it has good impact on their odds following a match bet.
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August 23, 2023, 09:49:20 PM |
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Well, if I know that some star players will miss the next game I will think about my bet twice. And if we adjust our bets depending on the players, for sure these players affect the odds as well. Many factors play a role in creating odds in betting, but I guess we can be sure that the "status" of some players plays one of the significant roles in creating odds.
Definitely, since we believe that a team having a star player can help them achieve their goals and if there's no star player during the game, you can expect a different result. Star player affects the decision of the better and that is where the odds changes. If you are betting with your favorite team, you are actually looking for their top players and that will be your basis for your bet, I do this most of the time and the odds changed based on the players of a team.
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August 23, 2023, 10:47:14 PM |
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Well, if I know that some star players will miss the next game I will think about my bet twice. And if we adjust our bets depending on the players, for sure these players affect the odds as well. Many factors play a role in creating odds in betting, but I guess we can be sure that the "status" of some players plays one of the significant roles in creating odds.
It is also about the mystification of some names and talents within the world of sports, specially in football/soccer. It just take a look on how Messi dingle handily managed to make the difference within the Miami Inter and its recognition around the world. Sure, a single player does not make a team but reputation cannot be underestimated. If Argentina was to play in a World Cup, for example, and his star player was not able to participate for whatever reason, I think there would be people who would feel reluctant to bet as much as they planned to. So, yes; I think some single players can move the odds on bookies. I don't think there's anyone who would want to oppose the view that star players does hugely affect the odds of a match bet. The fact that these star players has the ability to single-handedly change the result of a game even when all hope is lost is another reason to know that betting companies considers teams with players with higher qualities as the ones that are likely to win hence drastically reducing their their odds against the lesser quality team before the start of a match.
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August 23, 2023, 11:11:53 PM |
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I would like to take into consideration four levels of contribution in a match by a star player, and hope to see from everyone's opinion how their contribution would go to affect the outcome, odds of a game and the bet after the game is concluded. These four levels include: *playing part of a match, *playing a full match, *being substituted out and *being substituted in.
No star player is agreeably just a placebo effect on any team, and unlike Ronaldo and Messi who have influenced their new teams to attain new feats, they are expected to perform excellent service in the positions they are signed for and nothing less of that.
My question is simple, do star players really affect the odds of a bet, or wager or stake on a match, putting into consideration the four levels of contribution in a match, as I mentioned earlier?
It does affect the odds of a bet especially when they are performing well. I also don't think star players are just a placebo effect to increase the morale of the team. They are called star players for a reason. Star players are often the core of the team. The play almost revolves around them and the coach can use it to trick their opponent. It is either playing a center of focus or a decoy to enable the other members of the team a chance to make a score. Of course, there are lots of factors that can affect the odds of a game and one of it is the performance of their star player and how he is used by the coach.
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August 23, 2023, 11:55:17 PM |
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~snip~
It does affect the odds of a bet especially when they are performing well. I also don't think star players are just a placebo effect to increase the morale of the team. They are called star players for a reason. Star players are often the core of the team. The play almost revolves around them and the coach can use it to trick their opponent. It is either playing a center of focus or a decoy to enable the other members of the team a chance to make a score. Of course, there are lots of factors that can affect the odds of a game and one of it is the performance of their star player and how he is used by the coach. ^ That sound I agree more and right, Star players indeed go beyond being mere morale boosters, they are called "star" players precisely because of their exceptional skills and consistent performance. The reason why bookmakers and odds makers take these considerations into account when setting the odds for a match. The presence, form, and impact of star players can certainly sway the odds in favor of a team, reflecting their potential to influence the game's outcome. However, this is only one of those odds that we should consider, there are so many factors that will probably affect on the match.
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August 24, 2023, 03:24:02 AM |
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Well, if I know that some star players will miss the next game I will think about my bet twice. And if we adjust our bets depending on the players, for sure these players affect the odds as well. Many factors play a role in creating odds in betting, but I guess we can be sure that the "status" of some players plays one of the significant roles in creating odds.
It is also about the mystification of some names and talents within the world of sports, specially in football/soccer. It just take a look on how Messi dingle handily managed to make the difference within the Miami Inter and its recognition around the world. Sure, a single player does not make a team but reputation cannot be underestimated. If Argentina was to play in a World Cup, for example, and his star player was not able to participate for whatever reason, I think there would be people who would feel reluctant to bet as much as they planned to. So, yes; I think some single players can move the odds on bookies. That's right, I agree with you who say that star players can really make a difference but not only Messi because just like Ronaldo who managed to lead Al Nassr to win the Arab Champions League because the two goals were all thanks to Ronaldo. Now star players are one of the mainstays of every football club, even though it is true that star players like that will not create a team, but when in one club there are star players, there will be an advantage in every match that is played. That's because star players can always surprise or make the football club win. When there are only players who are not very popular, the interest from people will decrease and we can also realize that a club with ordinary players will never be able to achieve victory in important events.
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August 24, 2023, 06:03:20 AM |
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That's right, I agree with you who say that star players can really make a difference but not only Messi because just like Ronaldo who managed to lead Al Nassr to win the Arab Champions League because the two goals were all thanks to Ronaldo. Now star players are one of the mainstays of every football club, even though it is true that star players like that will not create a team, but when in one club there are star players, there will be an advantage in every match that is played.
It's not always Messi and Ronaldo, but there are so many star players out there. Mbappe, Neymar, Haaland, Osimhen, Leao, Lautaro Martinez, Vinicius, Lewandowski, Bellingham, Saka, etc etc, if they're not playing and you don't see they name in the line up, they're not heavy favorite. Remember odds are greatly influenced by bettors, most of people judge the performance based on the line up.
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Well, if I know that some star players will miss the next game I will think about my bet twice. And if we adjust our bets depending on the players, for sure these players affect the odds as well. Many factors play a role in creating odds in betting, but I guess we can be sure that the "status" of some players plays one of the significant roles in creating odds.
Definitely, since we believe that a team having a star player can help them achieve their goals and if there's no star player during the game, you can expect a different result. Star player affects the decision of the better and that is where the odds changes. If you are betting with your favorite team, you are actually looking for their top players and that will be your basis for your bet, I do this most of the time and the odds changed based on the players of a team. The things that we usually focus on before betting on a match is that the team that has the number of good players or the team that has a star player has a higher chance of winning. The chances of winning increase in the team in which Messi or other players are present. Moreover, the same picture can be seen even if we look at the history. Compared to teams that have star players or good players, the probability of winning is greatly increased and it also has a big impact on betting odds.
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My question is simple, do star players really affect the odds of a bet, or wager or stake on a match, putting into consideration the four levels of contribution in a match, as I mentioned earlier?
Yes, they affect the odds and wagering amount of a bet just like many other factors. Here you are talking about a soccer game with a star player with four possible scenarios but most likely the odds are settled before the beginning of the matches so these are just nothing to take into consideration but it will effect the results of the game depending on the performance of the star player.
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August 24, 2023, 07:47:04 AM |
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The involvement of star players can certainly affect the club itself, for example in football, it can encourage a team's playing style to become more confident because there is lots of support from people and it can even increase the popularity of the club itself.
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August 24, 2023, 08:04:55 AM |
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Of course they do, they are star players because they play good, they have what it takes to turn the game around. Consider any game and check their odds when particular star player played and when he didn't. Answer is obvious.
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The things that we usually focus on before betting on a match is that the team that has the number of good players or the team that has a star player has a higher chance of winning. The chances of winning increase in the team in which Messi or other players are present. Moreover, the same picture can be seen even if we look at the history. Compared to teams that have star players or good players, the probability of winning is greatly increased and it also has a big impact on betting odds.
When we find out that a star player will miss the upcoming match, for whatever reason, it will also have an effect on the odds. The reasons are understandable, since the absence of a leader in a team can significantly affect the outcome of the match, and his presence can boost morale. But if the star player doesn't play a big role, like Ronaldo did in Manchester United, then it may not have a big impact on the game and odds.
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August 24, 2023, 08:40:41 AM |
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My question is simple, do star players really affect the odds of a bet, or wager or stake on a match, putting into consideration the four levels of contribution in a match, as I mentioned earlier?
Of course, whether or not a star player plays or not will affect the odds, especially if the star player is the focus of a team. You can see it from the change in the odds of a match that will be played 4 or 5 days later. You can wait and then see what the odds will be for Inter Miami when Messi is injured or Al-Nassr when Cristiano is not playing. You will see a very significant difference.
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August 24, 2023, 08:41:40 AM |
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The involvement of star players can certainly affect the club itself, for example in football, it can encourage a team's playing style to become more confident because there is lots of support from people and it can even increase the popularity of the club itself.
The presence of star players can make the team's game grow and have more chances to win because the presence of star players will be the key to the cohesiveness of the game between fellow players. That will give more potential to dominate the game and pressure opponents so bettors have the confidence to choose that team. But when a star player has a problem on the field and keeps him from continuing, it will make other players experience a drop in performance because they don't find opportunities to provide better opportunities than before. That will change all bets where a team of star players might experience a slump in performance, and if the opposing team sees it as an opportunity, they will try to suppress it and get a win. This will be a loss for bettors who have chosen a team with star players.
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I would like to take into consideration four levels of contribution in a match by a star player, and hope to see from everyone's opinion how their contribution would go to affect the outcome, odds of a game and the bet after the game is concluded. These four levels include: *playing part of a match, *playing a full match, *being substituted out and *being substituted in.
No star player is agreeably just a placebo effect on any team, and unlike Ronaldo and Messi who have influenced their new teams to attain new feats, they are expected to perform excellent service in the positions they are signed for and nothing less of that.
My question is simple, do star players really affect the odds of a bet, or wager or stake on a match, putting into consideration the four levels of contribution in a match, as I mentioned earlier?
Do you mean whether a star player affects the odds from the perspective of a gambler or whether the bookies adjust the odds because of what's happening around a star player? Like whether he gets substituted in or not etc. I think that in-game odds never significantly changed if I recall correctly, when for example Mbappe was brought on in a game against Bayern Munich. That would also go too far I think. I think that most of these hypothetical four scenarios you outlined above are already priced into the odds provided pre-game by the bookies. From a gambler's perspective I think it can have some influence on the expectations. But would I place an additional bet because Messi gets substituted in in the 74' minute? I think I haven't done that so far.
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August 24, 2023, 01:07:08 PM |
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The presence of star players can make the team's game grow and have more chances to win because the presence of star players will be the key to the cohesiveness of the game between fellow players. That will give more potential to dominate the game and pressure opponents so bettors have the confidence to choose that team.
But when a star player has a problem on the field and keeps him from continuing, it will make other players experience a drop in performance because they don't find opportunities to provide better opportunities than before. That will change all bets where a team of star players might experience a slump in performance, and if the opposing team sees it as an opportunity, they will try to suppress it and get a win. This will be a loss for bettors who have chosen a team with star players.
everything you said is true, but if that happens, the coach usually has another strategy to maintain his team's performance in order to be able to win the match even though the star players have to be injured and stop playing. This sort of thing has happened in the past but it's also rare these days as star players will usually be able to maintain their physical stability to avoid getting injured to avoid something that could lead to an accident in a match. and usually if this problem occurs the team coach has a replacement player or else the formation will be changed to a stronger defense.
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Well, if I know that some star players will miss the next game I will think about my bet twice. And if we adjust our bets depending on the players, for sure these players affect the odds as well. Many factors play a role in creating odds in betting, but I guess we can be sure that the "status" of some players plays one of the significant roles in creating odds.
It is also about the mystification of some names and talents within the world of sports, specially in football/soccer. It just take a look on how Messi dingle handily managed to make the difference within the Miami Inter and its recognition around the world. Sure, a single player does not make a team but reputation cannot be underestimated. If Argentina was to play in a World Cup, for example, and his star player was not able to participate for whatever reason, I think there would be people who would feel reluctant to bet as much as they planned to. So, yes; I think some single players can move the odds on bookies. Funny enough is the truth that there's a star player in every team. Some just shine brighter than others. In my opinion, It is not sufficient to make bookies give odds just to favor a team over another, unless it is that there are more star players, team spirit, in that team, compared to the other team. If a team has like 3star players and want to play a match against a side with 5star players, it is obvious to say that 5star man team gets great odds. I also think if a team has been known to produce or harness star players consecutively, it has good impact on their odds following a match bet. I think that is already given because these bookies are always one step ahead on us bettors, it's like they always have a solid inside information before that same information reach to us which will also mirror the odds that they will give in a specific game. A team that has more star players means that they are likely to win, not guaranteed though but in-terms of chances, they have an edge against the other team.
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I think maybe that could happen because there are still many who think that a club filled with star players will always win and be favored, even though it is clear that in the European league not all great clubs are like that, there are even top-tier clubs beaten by clubs from the bottom-tier, so it can't be a priority there are star players in that club and can be underdogs even though it also affects the betting odds. I may be a person who is not too interested in seeing the star players in it, sometimes we also need to know when there are some clubs that may feel exhausted from participating in several big leagues in Europe and end up having a declining performance so that sometimes they can be beaten by clubs at the bottom, this is often once applied and I think everyone knows that, if asked if it had an effect, it was clear that it would have had an influence. ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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