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In reality it's a different USA dollar getting stronger and USA is now most influenced power in the world. We can understood USA have most power in the world. And dollar Even the russians dealing with dollars there was case that baltic country leader husband was dealing with russia and Also not even euro currency but dollars was used for deals.
Now people talking about bricks...that it's a backed by gold... right but who controls the gold Market? USA and UK comex its chigaco nyc and London If they want UK and USA they make gold price how they want.
The Putin x ping chuina and non of the bricks countries are not serious and looking funny until USA controls the gold price together with UK and controls the markets with USD trading currency mostly.
Even china and Putin knows they are fools and it's all circus
It's time to say how the things Are really happening in the world
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August 24, 2023, 05:58:58 PM |
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In reality it's a different USA dollar getting stronger and USA is now most influenced power in the world. We can understood USA have most power in the world. And dollar Even the russians dealing with dollars there was case that baltic country leader husband was dealing with russia and Also not even euro currency but dollars was used for deals.
Now people talking about bricks...that it's a backed by gold... right but who controls the gold Market? USA and UK comex its chigaco nyc and London If they want UK and USA they make gold price how they want.
The Putin x ping chuina and non of the bricks countries are not serious and looking funny until USA controls the gold price together with UK and controls the markets with USD trading currency mostly.
Even china and Putin knows they are fools and it's all circus
It's time to say how the things Are really happening in the world
You are totally right about the huge reserves the UK and US have and how much influence the US has. But the point is, why are you talking about the UK while we are talking about US dollars? Does it mean the UK doesn't give shit or care about the US dollar? Well, that's just a confusion or query, you can assume. Dedolarization is a topic discussed many times here, and all the time my answers were almost the same, and here the context of my answer remains the same, which is that dedolarization is not an easy thing to do, no matter what product our countries came up with; somehow they are so dependent on the US dollar that by weaken it they must be weaken themselves. US really have developed so much power in the field of finance, and they have the most influential impact on the BTC price too, as we have witnessed in recent events. But the point is, I agree that the US dollar is getting stronger. Even recently, I read an article here on BTT in which the OP said that this temporary dedolarization is just a strategy to make the economy stronger. The point is that I also did not understand how that strategy works, but if that's true, then things will become simpler to understand now.
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August 24, 2023, 07:06:40 PM |
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You are totally right about the huge reserves the UK and US have and how much influence the US has.
But one of the biggest crises of the dollar is that although the United States has the largest reserves of gold, the dollar is being printed at rates that exceed the reserves of gold allocated for that. There is a real crisis and everyone is aware of that. It can be said that the global economy is currently stuck with the dollar. Dedolarization is a topic discussed many times here, and all the time my answers were almost the same, and here the context of my answer remains the same, which is that dedolarization is not an easy thing to do, no matter what product our countries came up with; somehow they are so dependent on the US dollar that by weaken it they must be weaken themselves.
After Putin's statements today at the conclusion of the BRICS summit about proposing unified currencies for the BRICS group, and after the increase of the BRICS member countries to include major global economies, I think this sounded the alarm for the dollar that still believes in the strength of the dollar.
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August 24, 2023, 07:22:10 PM |
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You are totally right about the huge reserves the UK and US have and how much influence the US has.
But one of the biggest crises of the dollar is that although the United States has the largest reserves of gold, the dollar is being printed at rates that exceed the reserves of gold allocated for that. There is a real crisis and everyone is aware of that. It can be said that the global economy is currently stuck with the dollar. Dedolarization is a topic discussed many times here, and all the time my answers were almost the same, and here the context of my answer remains the same, which is that dedolarization is not an easy thing to do, no matter what product our countries came up with; somehow they are so dependent on the US dollar that by weaken it they must be weaken themselves.
After Putin's statements today at the conclusion of the BRICS summit about proposing unified currencies for the BRICS group, and after the increase of the BRICS member countries to include major global economies, I think this sounded the alarm for the dollar that still believes in the strength of the dollar. Sure it makes a lot sense only for uneducated people and those who dont Understood how the markets works and financial fundamentals and mechacally how it works. Off course Putin and chinh ping saying that they are against usa and west but the Same time they flash with gold backed currency around and tell to world they are so genius....but gold is controlled by USA and UK and USA are the biggest gold holder aswell. World markets derivates futures contracts Are controlled by USA so until china or russia has no control over that they can't never beat the USA and to come out with so follish thing like bricks backed by gold ...it only shows that they think people around the world dont Understood nothing , but they dont Understood people getting smarter now days for example me Im very smart and my kids Will be also very smart.
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In reality it's a different USA dollar getting stronger and USA is now most influenced power in the world. We can understood USA have most power in the world. And dollar Even the russians dealing with dollars there was case that baltic country leader husband was dealing with russia and Also not even euro currency but dollars was used for deals.
Now people talking about bricks...that it's a backed by gold... right but who controls the gold Market? USA and UK comex its chigaco nyc and London If they want UK and USA they make gold price how they want.
The Putin x ping chuina and non of the bricks countries are not serious and looking funny until USA controls the gold price together with UK and controls the markets with USD trading currency mostly.
Even china and Putin knows they are fools and it's all circus
It's time to say how the things Are really happening in the world
USA only holds the top spot of stats like GDP not by producing more real tangible products than rival countries.. but by fudging the numbers by printing money they treat debt as an asset. the US printed money to fudge their numbers as bigger. then declined to accept imports from rival countries who actually make products to make other countries numbers look worse. but its just a bait and switch of bad accounting and thus is not realistic to real world produce exchanging hands(like food and material goods) put it short when america only has 330m population.. and india has 4x that in population.. how many loaves of bread do you think exchange hands and are produced. i guarantee you india win based on many products produced and sold. DOLLAR is not top power because of value or or reasoning of trade. its top power due to politics, debt, false accounting and of law determining that other countries should measure their value/produce stats on american terms/conditions.. things like BRIC's want to have a different measuring stick
here is the thing if a shop sells a loaf of bread for $200.. and people dont like it.. they create their own shop to sell more bread for [insert anything reasonable] to alot more populous and thats what BRIC's is doing. setting up a new shop(market) with new prices by america closing doors to the Middle east, Asia and Slavic countries its actually imprisoning itself just count up the population of USA, canada, EU(under 1bill) then count up the population of those countries forming BRIC's and you will see where the gross domestic PRODUCT totals will exceed which
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August 24, 2023, 10:40:44 PM |
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In reality it's a different USA dollar getting stronger and USA is now most influenced power in the world. We can understood USA have most power in the world.
Sure, but the question is if the US influence/power is getting stronger or weaker. They have the strongest military, but it's a well-known fact that they've been struggling with recruitment. Most of their military recruits are openly there only for the money, free education and other benefits. They wouldn't be willing to die for their country. So in case of a full-blown military conflict, US would have to solely rely on the superiority of their technology and on their nuclear power. Now people talking about bricks...that it's a backed by gold... right but who controls the gold Market? USA and UK comex its chigaco nyc and London If they want UK and USA they make gold price how they want.
Gold price can be manipulated but only to some degree. When the price of paper gold and the actual, physical gold are going in opposite directions, everyone will see through it. As for the actual gold holdings, US is by far the largest holder. UK holds a lot on behalf of other countries. The problem is that those reserves have not been properly audited. There's a long-lived rumour that declared US reserves are massively overstated. If that's true - I don't know, but if significant amount was indeed missing, they'd never admit it, as it'd be against the national interest.
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It's going to be a whole new system for those that have been joining the new alliance of BRICS. Whatever they think is going to benefit them with mutual agreements, that's where they're going.
While for those countries that are coming into this partnership and alliance, they're all thinking of what's beneficial for them.
And you'll see that when the USA/UK and G7 alliance comes again on their own, who knows that those countries that are into BRICS might join them in as well. I am not into any of those alliances but I am saying whatever alliance a country sees beneficial for them, they will go there.
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Anything that we say here maybe don't have significant effect to what will happen in the future, let say we support dollar and say a good thing about it, it will be good sentiment that can make some people to keep save dollar. but country's regulation may bring significant effect that influence people behavior, people who trade in the world market always looking for profit, so I think if a currency can give them extra benefits such as profit, increasing value, or safeness then they will choose that currency.
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August 25, 2023, 02:23:17 AM |
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Or perhaps we're the fools. The joke's probably on us for choosing sides and defending them as if they're not part of the same fiat circus. Fiat is backed by nothing. That's the truth. Whether that's the Russian ruble or the Chinese yuan or the American dollar, they're all nothing but debts. The monetary standard we have today is nothing but foolery. Is there a currency right now that is fully backed by gold? Nothing.
Wherever you got it, forget about that rumor that BRICS would come up with a currency backed by gold. That's not going to happen.
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August 25, 2023, 06:49:53 AM |
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The Putin x ping chuina and non of the bricks countries are not serious and looking funny until USA controls the gold price together with UK and controls the markets with USD trading currency mostly.
Maybe you'll get higher quality discussion if you bring some reports or articles to discuss instead of saying relatively biased sentences like this. Don't get me wrong, I do believe any superpower country can control the price of an asset, but it is unlikely that their competitors don't know or don't do the same thing. At the end of the day, as a retail user, it is better to just expect both sides to win and prepare how you'll deal with the effects of their drama on your life.
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August 25, 2023, 07:40:18 AM Last edit: August 25, 2023, 07:56:50 AM by Fiatless |
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Now people talking about bricks...that it's a backed by gold... right but who controls the gold Market? USA and UK comex its chigaco nyc and London If they want UK and USA they make gold price how they want.
The Putin x ping chuina and non of the bricks countries are not serious and looking funny until USA controls the gold price together with UK and controls the markets with USD trading currency mostly. Majority of golds in Europe and the US didn't originate from their. They were mined in Mexico, Central America, South America and Africa and shipped to Europe and the US. There are no statistics on the amount of unmined gold deposits that still reside in these nations. There have been report of vast gold deposits in some parts of Africa. But according to to statistics by statista Australia, Russia and South Africa.has the highest gold reserves. The gold market can crumble if the market is flooded with suppliers. https://www.statista.com/statistics/248991/world-mine-reserves-of-gold-by-country/Even china and Putin knows they are fools and it's all circus
It's time to say how the things Are really happening in the world
Since 16 June 2009 when BRICS was founded they have not achieved much because of lack of consensus in policy formulation and implementation. They have been called toothless bulldog for their actions. We just have to wait and see what will be the outcome of these years summit. things like BRIC's want to have a different measuring stick
here is the thing
if a shop sells a loaf of bread for $200.. and people dont like it.. they create their own shop to sell more bread for [insert anything reasonable] to alot more populous
and thats what BRIC's is doing. setting up a new shop(market) with new prices
It is better to have two shops selling bread than to have just one monopolizing the market. We need global competition among leading nations so that developing nations will have alternatives to choose from.
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I think the USA and some of the western countries are going to receive some push back from the BRICS countries, because BRICS are growing and more countries are joining it. The USA are not the only country in the world that were affected by the impact of the war between Russia and the Ukraine. The Covid pandemic started a global meltdown in the economy of all the countries....and the war just made things worst.
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August 25, 2023, 02:38:23 PM |
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You are totally right about the huge reserves the UK and US have and how much influence the US has.
But one of the biggest crises of the dollar is that although the United States has the largest reserves of gold, the dollar is being printed at rates that exceed the reserves of gold allocated for that. There is a real crisis and everyone is aware of that. It can be said that the global economy is currently stuck with the dollar. Dedolarization is a topic discussed many times here, and all the time my answers were almost the same, and here the context of my answer remains the same, which is that dedolarization is not an easy thing to do, no matter what product our countries came up with; somehow they are so dependent on the US dollar that by weaken it they must be weaken themselves.
After Putin's statements today at the conclusion of the BRICS summit about proposing unified currencies for the BRICS group, and after the increase of the BRICS member countries to include major global economies, I think this sounded the alarm for the dollar that still believes in the strength of the dollar. Sure it makes a lot sense only for uneducated people and those who dont Understood how the markets works and financial fundamentals and mechacally how it works. Off course Putin and chinh ping saying that they are against usa and west but the Same time they flash with gold backed currency around and tell to world they are so genius....but gold is controlled by USA and UK and USA are the biggest gold holder aswell. World markets derivates futures contracts Are controlled by USA so until china or russia has no control over that they can't never beat the USA and to come out with so follish thing like bricks backed by gold ...it only shows that they think people around the world dont Understood nothing , but they dont Understood people getting smarter now days for example me Im very smart and my kids Will be also very smart. I find it good that you think you belong to the category of smart people and your children will be too. Unfortunately, not everyone is smart, and there are still those who believe in a unipolar world. Even those who support the alliance of Russia and China believe in eliminating the US-European pole, and therefore believe in a unipolar world that is not led by America, and this, in my opinion, is the biggest mistake that anyone in the position of analysis makes. The competition between the two poles is what can achieve stability in the global economy without this reaching the point of conflict. Just as it is important to diversify the forces between the poles of the planet, it is also important to diversify the currencies used in world trade. This does not mean completely abandoning the use of the dollar or replacing it with any other currency. Rather, the use of several currencies will help in the recovery of the current financial system, which suffers from successive crises due to the concentration of power in the dollar.
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August 25, 2023, 02:46:29 PM |
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Money today and maybe for the next 25 years will not be backed by gold. Who knows what BRICS are planning but sure they couldn't just jump into a fiat-backed gold currency. One thing is for sure though and it's currently happening that countries today are bilaterally trading with their own currency and not USD.
If they are using their own currency to buy oil and commodities from each other, how can the US control that? And if they could control that, why are they so worried?
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Money today and maybe for the next 25 years will not be backed by gold. Who knows what BRICS are planning but sure they couldn't just jump into a fiat-backed gold currency. One thing is for sure though and it's currently happening that countries today are bilaterally trading with their own currency and not USD.
You mean gold-backed fiat currency? Why do you think it's an impossible scenario exactly? US had a gold-backed dollar for quite a long time until 1971. They moved away from it (and many consider that a mistake) but it's not like having such currency is impossible.
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I think that the fact that many international transactions are carried out in dollars is a reflection of its stability and acceptance in international markets. Adamas The concentration of control in financial markets, including gold, is a significant aspect that can influence global economic dynamics. Money today and maybe for the next 25 years will not be backed by gold. Who knows what BRICS are planning but sure they couldn't just jump into a fiat-backed gold currency. One thing is for sure though and it's currently happening that countries today are bilaterally trading with their own currency and not USD.
If they are using their own currency to buy oil and commodities from each other, how can the US control that? And if they could control that, why are they so worried?
Bilateral trade using local currencies may actually diminish the ability of a country, such as the United States, to directly control certain aspects of international trade; if countries are exchanging goods and services using their own currencies, this may limit the influence that the dollar traditionally has in international markets.. Concerns that may arise from these dynamics could be related to the loss of influence in global markets and the need to adapt to new ways of competing and participating in the global economy... Therefore, the evolution towards a more multipolar and diversified system has the potential to redistribute economic and financial power in ways that may not be entirely predictable.
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komisariatku
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August 25, 2023, 04:37:29 PM |
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... Even china and Putin knows they are fools and it's all circus
It's time to say how the things Are really happening in the world
As you said, the US dollar still dominates and has great power today. Beating them is not easy, it takes hard work because the dollar has been the world's currency for more than 50 years. But in my opinion, it will be more dangerous if no country fights against the hegemony of the US dollar, then their dominance will get stronger. However, what the BRICS group is doing is a long step that needs to be taken so that the US dollar does not print money at will. Everything in this world has its supporters and opponents. So, maybe the BRICS is not yet a group that is dangerous and has a big influence on USD dominance, but in 10 or 20 years, no one knows the results yet, while statistics say Russia and China will experience rapid economic growth starting in 2030 In addition, many observers predict that sooner or later the dollar's dominance will collapse
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August 25, 2023, 04:45:03 PM |
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After Putin's statements today at the conclusion of the BRICS summit about proposing unified currencies for the BRICS group, and after the increase of the BRICS member countries to include major global economies, I think this sounded the alarm for the dollar that still believes in the strength of the dollar.
I am not a fan of the dollar because, due to this currency, my country has been stuck in a debt cycle. We have to pay interest, which is way more than the principal amount just due to inflation and interest rates, and mainly because we took the loan in US dollars. I hope my country has educated people in the loan sector. I mean the financial sector, but every single person is corrupt at higher levels. What could be done? Well, the point is that I am not praising the dollar just because I like it or want it to be on top forever; instead, I know how much potential it has and how much effort BRICS have to make to cross it.
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August 25, 2023, 04:54:14 PM |
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I'm not sure if I fully understand the op's text because of how it's built grammatically and structurally, but I think I agree overall. It's just a simple reality check. The USD is still very high up by international currency reserves, and none of the BRICS countries are anywhere near that. China is a formidable adversary in terms of overall political and economic influence, but not currency-wise. Russia is still living off its association with the might of the Soviet Union, but it has the economy less than that of Texas. It's very militarily aggressive, and thus it needs to be taken seriously, but competing with the US dominance and the USD dominance is simply unrealistic.
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Captain Corporate
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August 25, 2023, 05:13:43 PM |
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People need to understand its not about the power of the currency but the power of the nation at play here. In a nation with hundreds of thousands of drug addicts and homeless people, I really do not think that USA could still say that they are doing a good job, its obvious that they may look strong financially but that's mainly because their rich are richer than any other nations rich, but their poor are equally poor as any other nation. Like the guy that is staying at the beach of san Francisco or something, that dude is as poor as any other person, maybe has a "potential" that is higher, but must die due to drug overdose anyway. This will financially ruin USA in the near future, they are losing it big time.
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