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August 27, 2023, 03:46:24 PM
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It's interesting to note that many Bitcoin holders might not be fully capitalizing on the inherent volatility of this digital asset. The Bitcoin market can undergo price fluctuations of around 3 to 4 times in a single day, which offers ample opportunities for those who choose to engage in active trading.

While the common approach is to view Bitcoin solely as a long-term investment, it's worth considering an alternative perspective – that of an active trader. By delving into trading strategies, it's plausible to generate a daily income ranging from $20 to $30, provided one has a sound grasp of the market dynamics.

This might sound very achievable when you view it with the perspective that you're looking at it from but when you want to start doing it then you'll realized that it's not as achievable as it was looking because you can't be guaranteed of making profits everyday from the market. It doesn't matter how professional you're as a trader, bit some times will come when the market will win and you'll lose and if you're not careful, you can lose more times than you win.

Trading is another approach to making money from crypto but trading is very risky that's why it isn't a good advice for newbies to start trading as they don't have any experience and they will lose to the market. The best way to make money from the market is by holding.

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August 27, 2023, 05:50:13 PM
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It's interesting to note that many Bitcoin holders might not be fully capitalizing on the inherent volatility of this digital asset. The Bitcoin market can undergo price fluctuations of around 3 to 4 times in a single day, which offers ample opportunities for those who choose to engage in active trading.

While the common approach is to view Bitcoin solely as a long-term investment, it's worth considering an alternative perspective – that of an active trader. By delving into trading strategies, it's plausible to generate a daily income ranging from $20 to $30, provided one has a sound grasp of the market dynamics.


Don't you think everybody knows that already?

But how you are going to make sure that 3 to 4 times a day is going to be a positive result since you mentioned its highly volatile so the market can go in anyway in spite of how accurate your technical analysis is?

This means day trading is risky which is why investors prefer utilizing the long-term potentials of bitcoin's volatile nature which is secure and less risky compared to what you are suggesting.

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August 30, 2023, 05:25:49 AM
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It's interesting to note that many Bitcoin holders might not be fully capitalizing on the inherent volatility of this digital asset. The Bitcoin market can undergo price fluctuations of around 3 to 4 times in a single day, which offers ample opportunities for those who choose to engage in active trading.

While the common approach is to view Bitcoin solely as a long-term investment, it's worth considering an alternative perspective – that of an active trader. By delving into trading strategies, it's plausible to generate a daily income ranging from $20 to $30, provided one has a sound grasp of the market dynamics.
There is a very large number of traders who do day trading or scalping using Bitcoin if they have the capital for it. Those traders would have separate holdings for the long term and they also make use of the usual fluctuations of the market, so I don't think that it is a secret for anyone at all as long as a person knows how the cryptocurrency market works in the first place. I used to do it too when I had money that I could use for some scalping.

Scalping or day trading can be very profitable if the trader has a lot of knowledge and experience about the market and knows exactly how the market will move each day or based on a news or an event that has occurred in the real world and they make trades based what they read or see.
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August 30, 2023, 09:08:16 AM
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Bitcoin hodling might be underrated but if you are hodling sufficient number of bitcoin, you’ll end up an instant billionaire in the future. So I don’t think hodling alone does not maximize the potentials of bitcoin. However, with bitcoin trading, people know that the profits are more promising and tempting, but hey, trading is never easy and it needs close to perfection skills and trading expertise so you can be profitable on it. Otherwise, you are only wasting your money in trading when you consistently trade without knowledge and skills being honed.

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August 30, 2023, 09:42:38 AM
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Yep, the world of Bitcoin offers more than just holding your coins! Its price swings can be a trader's paradise if played right and one takes proper advantage of the volatility. While the long-term holding strategy has its pros, experienced users who understands trading can make some good profit by day trading. That being said, it's not for those that can't afford to risk, and one should definitely educate themselves thoroughly before diving in. I've seen a bunch of people check out resources like the one you linked and it does help to get the basics down. But always remember, with reading or watching tutorials won't make you an expert. You need to trade, make errors and learn from it to eventually become good in trading. The risks involved is much higher than just holding. Hence, most people prefer holding since you still make profit in the long run.
That is the reason why trading is not for everyone. Even though a lot of bitcoin hodlers would want to learn trading as well, but if they don’t have the required skills and trading experiences, they will never be profitable traders in the end. So it’s only a waste of time and effort when you are trying to trade and has still no positive outcome in the end. That’s the reason why some frustrated traders just settle in long term hodling. At least, they can still be profitable with less risk and less stress.

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August 30, 2023, 07:11:02 PM
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I don't know which hodlers are you talking about, but if you're discussing about true hodlers of crypto, then mind well that if they come into the market with their bags of btc, they have the power to ridiculously move it down and nobody will be able to beat that action and make btc claim these high prices back. I think what they are doing is for the good of crypto, so let us not criticize them for their actions and keep taking advantage of the current market situation on our own. Wink
Old or new HODLers has their own reason on why they can't buy on a good opportunity like what we have now. We don't know what they are going through so we shouldn't judge them. I think you are also talking about the whales here mate. Whales can be a different kind of breed. They can't be a HODLer but they can sell their assets immediately right after they manipulate the markets.

The one that can beat them are also their co-whales. We small-scale investors can just go with the flow. We can buy once the price dumps and sell once it pumps. That is how easy to make money here. The market doesn't necessarily need the whales and it will be a better place without them.

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August 30, 2023, 07:52:55 PM
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Bitcoin hodling might be underrated but if you are hodling sufficient number of bitcoin, you’ll end up an instant billionaire in the future. So I don’t think hodling alone does not maximize the potentials of bitcoin. However, with bitcoin trading, people know that the profits are more promising and tempting, but hey, trading is never easy and it needs close to perfection skills and trading expertise so you can be profitable on it. Otherwise, you are only wasting your money in trading when you consistently trade without knowledge and skills being honed.
That is why we can only make money from the market when we are having good amount of Bitcoin as a trader or investor. Little holdings do not count much compared to those whales that are holding sufficient amount of Bitcoin in the market.
 If we really want to make money from the market then we need to be ready to buy good amount of crypto and hold in our portfolio or else we are going to make little profits when the bull eventually arrives. This is one of the things that give the whales edge over the market to be able to manipulate the market as much as they like.

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August 30, 2023, 08:03:47 PM
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Bitcoin hodling might be underrated but if you are hodling sufficient number of bitcoin, you’ll end up an instant billionaire in the future. So I don’t think hodling alone does not maximize the potentials of bitcoin. However, with bitcoin trading, people know that the profits are more promising and tempting, but hey, trading is never easy and it needs close to perfection skills and trading expertise so you can be profitable on it. Otherwise, you are only wasting your money in trading when you consistently trade without knowledge and skills being honed.
That is why we can only make money from the market when we are having good amount of Bitcoin as a trader or investor. Little holdings do not count much compared to those whales that are holding sufficient amount of Bitcoin in the market.
 If we really want to make money from the market then we need to be ready to buy good amount of crypto and hold in our portfolio or else we are going to make little profits when the bull eventually arrives. This is one of the things that give the whales edge over the market to be able to manipulate the market as much as they like.
People should realize this and this is how you should really be thinking but if you dont really mind whether your profit is small or big then it would really be just fine that you would really be that accumulating for long term aspect which we know that there are really indeed difference in speaking about whales and those average or typical investors when it comes to this aspect on which it would really be just that normal that you would really be having those kind of different level when it comes to profits. Maximizing potential would be most likely be advantageous into those people who do have invested more but in speaking about exposure on such risks then you are
basically that prone more into risks and this is why its always that important that you should really invest only on things which you gonna really afford to lose and dont really going all in when it comes to this type of investment because this is where usually people do really able to forget on which investing but doesnt mind about the risks because we know that this market is volatile and there's no way that we could be able to
tell on where it would be going.

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August 30, 2023, 10:12:09 PM
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There isn't really a "need" for maximizing it, that's the point. It already makes me enough money, why would I take any risks by doing anything bigger. I understand that some people may want to have something different and they may want to have something that is special but that doesn't mean that its going to be true, and you may end up with a loss. The reality is simpler, you are going to end up trading and you will lose the money.

This isn't a sure thing of course, you could trade and lose some money as well but there isn't really a guarantee to that neither, and you could end up losing money as well. Instead of that, you could just end up holding, which would definitely get you profit if you hold long enough. The trick with holding is that sometimes you have to hold just a bit, and sometimes you have to hold for a long time but at the end of the day you are going to end up profiting one way or another.

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There isn't really a "need" for maximizing it, that's the point. It already makes me enough money, why would I take any risks by doing anything bigger. I understand that some people may want to have something different and they may want to have something that is special but that doesn't mean that its going to be true, and you may end up with a loss. The reality is simpler, you are going to end up trading and you will lose the money.

This isn't a sure thing of course, you could trade and lose some money as well but there isn't really a guarantee to that neither, and you could end up losing money as well. Instead of that, you could just end up holding, which would definitely get you profit if you hold long enough. The trick with holding is that sometimes you have to hold just a bit, and sometimes you have to hold for a long time but at the end of the day you are going to end up profiting one way or another.

this is why, it depends on the targets of each individual here. we have different goals so to speak. but most of these users are after for more profits. they need to be careful as they can easily lose those profits if not handled properly. if you know your targets here, then, work on your plans or strategies to reach that goal. you can read, listen to all those opinions but at the end of the day, you will be the one who will execute your plan.

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August 30, 2023, 10:46:27 PM
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It's interesting to note that many Bitcoin holders might not be fully capitalizing on the inherent volatility of this digital asset. The Bitcoin market can undergo price fluctuations of around 3 to 4 times in a single day, which offers ample opportunities for those who choose to engage in active trading.
The main goal of Bitcoin holders is to hold for investment for a certain period of time, usually long term, because there is a target price that they want to achieve, without having to carry out trading activities every day. This goal is of course different from traders who optimize volatility every day. So in my opinion, it's not right if Bitcoin holders don't take advantage of Bitcoin's potential. Traders and investors, especially long term holders, have their own goals and cannot be forced to do the same thing. So, don't judge what is appropriate and what is not. What is certain is that each of them can optimize themselves in the field they are working in.
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August 30, 2023, 11:00:40 PM
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There isn't really a "need" for maximizing it, that's the point. It already makes me enough money, why would I take any risks by doing anything bigger. I understand that some people may want to have something different and they may want to have something that is special but that doesn't mean that its going to be true, and you may end up with a loss. The reality is simpler, you are going to end up trading and you will lose the money.

Not entirely true, people who have a vast knowledge and experience in trading rarely lose money.  And if the option for maximizing return is given, most people will take it since it is the natural aim of investors and traders.

But, I would agree with your belief that it is better to have part of the possible maximum profit if we are free of risk of losing all of our investments.

This isn't a sure thing of course, you could trade and lose some money as well but there isn't really a guarantee to that neither, and you could end up losing money as well. Instead of that, you could just end up holding, which would definitely get you profit if you hold long enough. The trick with holding is that sometimes you have to hold just a bit, and sometimes you have to hold for a long time but at the end of the day you are going to end up profiting one way or another.

We cannot profit by holding only, we have to sell at some point to realize our profit and then we buy again at the lower price.  This is the essence of investment and taking advantage of the volatility of the market.  Thus, we have to trade, buy and sell although it may take time for us to do the trade, it isn't a bad move to wait for the price to hit our target selling price and at the same time the target buying price to reinvest and repeat the process.
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August 30, 2023, 11:35:34 PM
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We cannot profit by holding only, we have to sell at some point to realize our profit and then we buy again at the lower price.  This is the essence of investment and taking advantage of the volatility of the market.  Thus, we have to trade, buy and sell although it may take time for us to do the trade, it isn't a bad move to wait for the price to hit our target selling price and at the same time the target buying price to reinvest and repeat the process.
I completely agree with you. Only by selling your asset can you determine that you are profitable. Most people, including myself, believe that I already profit  when I have a running position; there are times when the table will turn back. I understand that the greatest method to maximize profits in trading is to buy low and sell high in couple of hours and enter a trade a gain. The problem is that we don't know when it was appropriate to sell it because some traders are hesitant to do so due to the possibility of more price increases. For me, this is not the case; profit is profit, and I have nothing  to regret. The most essential thing is that you stick to it.
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September 01, 2023, 02:02:37 PM
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I understand that the greatest method to maximize profits in trading is to buy low and sell high in couple of hours and enter a trade a gain.

That is not entirely true. Often the opposite is the case. Short-term trading is very risky and there can be more losses than gains. Moreover, in a few hours, the situation on the market may not change radically, the price may stand almost still, and then there is no point in such a trade, you will only take unnecessary risks and pay commissions when the possible profit is not worth it.

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September 01, 2023, 09:50:16 PM
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I understand that the greatest method to maximize profits in trading is to buy low and sell high in couple of hours and enter a trade a gain.

That is not entirely true. Often the opposite is the case. Short-term trading is very risky and there can be more losses than gains. Moreover, in a few hours, the situation on the market may not change radically, the price may stand almost still, and then there is no point in such a trade, you will only take unnecessary risks and pay commissions when the possible profit is not worth it.
I didn't say that it is not risky, I know that this is more riskier than those who didn't immediately sell. But I'm sure that if we only know where exactly the swing points, we will just wait for that zone to trade. The price movement in the market is not always up, it consist higher high and higher low. Why it happens, because there are what we called short-term traders that sell their assets. Ofcourse, it's a big traders such institutions that can cause the big move of prices in the market. As what I have said, if we know where exactly the higher low or higher high, we can maximize the profit by always buying at higher low and selling at higher high.
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September 02, 2023, 05:07:58 AM
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It's interesting to note that many Bitcoin holders might not be fully capitalizing on the inherent volatility of this digital asset. The Bitcoin market can undergo price fluctuations of around 3 to 4 times in a single day, which offers ample opportunities for those who choose to engage in active trading.
The main goal of Bitcoin holders is to hold for investment for a certain period of time, usually long term, because there is a target price that they want to achieve, without having to carry out trading activities every day. This goal is of course different from traders who optimize volatility every day. So in my opinion, it's not right if Bitcoin holders don't take advantage of Bitcoin's potential. Traders and investors, especially long term holders, have their own goals and cannot be forced to do the same thing. So, don't judge what is appropriate and what is not. What is certain is that each of them can optimize themselves in the field they are working in.
It is also important to notice that trading is a full-time job, so anyone that wants to become a trader either needs to leave their main occupation behind or work two different jobs at the same time, something that is not easy as anyone that has tried to do this before can testify.

However becoming an investor can be a very relaxed endeavor, as once you have done your analysis about the assets in which you want to invest there is not much to do except to buy that asset and for your target price to be hit, and as such you can keep your job while your money works for you.
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It's interesting to note that many Bitcoin holders might not be fully capitalizing on the inherent volatility of this digital asset. The Bitcoin market can undergo price fluctuations of around 3 to 4 times in a single day, which offers ample opportunities for those who choose to engage in active trading.

While the common approach is to view Bitcoin solely as a long-term investment, it's worth considering an alternative perspective – that of an active trader. By delving into trading strategies, it's plausible to generate a daily income ranging from $20 to $30, provided one has a sound grasp of the market dynamics.


It's true that there is a lot of volatility in the crypto markets and that an experienced trader could take advantage of it. The question is how many of the long term investors that hold Bitcoin for the purpose of storing value are comfortable to trade short term? When we start day trading, we need to be a lot more active and check the market constantly. At least for me it's not really possible at the moment with my normal job to focus so much time on trading. In the end the risk of losing a large amount in a sudden price drop is much higher than the chances to make a few gains. Another issue of trading HODL Bitcoins is that the tax gains are being realised every time we are buying and selling our coins. Especially for some investors that hold their coins for several years this could lead to large tax bill that we would need to pay. Also, for anybody that is looking to take advantage of high volatility price movements there might be even better candidates in the alt coin market. Some coins that are not traded so actively might offer much higher returns when the prices jump.
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It's interesting to note that many Bitcoin holders might not be fully capitalizing on the inherent volatility of this digital asset. The Bitcoin market can undergo price fluctuations of around 3 to 4 times in a single day, which offers ample opportunities for those who choose to engage in active trading.
The main goal of Bitcoin holders is to hold for investment for a certain period of time, usually long term, because there is a target price that they want to achieve, without having to carry out trading activities every day. This goal is of course different from traders who optimize volatility every day. So in my opinion, it's not right if Bitcoin holders don't take advantage of Bitcoin's potential. Traders and investors, especially long term holders, have their own goals and cannot be forced to do the same thing. So, don't judge what is appropriate and what is not. What is certain is that each of them can optimize themselves in the field they are working in.
First, we must distinguish between a trader and an investor, as they are 2 different things. Yes, the goal is to make a profit and everyone has different ways of making a profit. A trader targets the profit that they will get in a short time, while for investors they will have a way to take advantage by holding assets for a very long time, even it takes several years before they go out and take profits.
So these are 2 different things, we cannot say that bitcoin holders (especially investors) do not maximize the potential of bitcoin, in fact I see them also maximizing the potential of bitcoin completely.

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September 02, 2023, 02:50:03 PM
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As what I have said, if we know where exactly the higher low or higher high, we can maximize the profit by always buying at higher low and selling at higher high.

And how exactly somebody could possibly know about this? The market is unpredictable, you can know nothing for sure. If what you said were true, then we would live in a completely different world, where everyone could earn from trading and be in profit for most of the time. But that is simply not true. "Always" is the word that has nothing to do with the stock market.

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September 08, 2023, 03:32:50 AM
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As what I have said, if we know where exactly the higher low or higher high, we can maximize the profit by always buying at higher low and selling at higher high.

And how exactly somebody could possibly know about this? The market is unpredictable, you can know nothing for sure. If what you said were true, then we would live in a completely different world, where everyone could earn from trading and be in profit for most of the time. But that is simply not true. "Always" is the word that has nothing to do with the stock market.
Correct, there is the mistaken notion that in order for a trader to become profitable they need to know what the market is going to do at all times, and this is false, the market can only do two things to go up or to go down from its current levels, now it could also remain motionless but at some point it will have to take a direction.

And as you can see this is very similar to a coin toss, so if a trader can predict with an accuracy higher than 50% what is about to happen and they have solid money management skills then they can make money, as such it is not necessary to have almost infallible predictive abilities in order to make money on the markets.
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