Trump turns himself in at Fulton County Jail

[Majestic-milf]

 Okay, so I'd appreciate some helpful insights on this. Ex US president, Donald Trump has turned himself in at Fulton County Jail just as the heading reads after facing 13 counts of felony tied to his supposed involvement in trying to overturn the results of the 2020 election.
On Thursday, he made history by becoming the first president( sitting or former) to ever be detained or have his mugshots taken in a police file.

Won't his going to jail, even though it was some few hours thanks to a $200,000 bond affect his contesting for a presidential spot? I don't really know how the American law works but could this hinder him from getting a shot?

https://www.npr.org/2023/08/21/1195080489/donald-trump-georgia-booking

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[zasad@]

Okay, so I'd appreciate some helpful insights on this. Ex US president, Donald Trump has turned himself in at Fulton County Jail just as the heading reads after facing 13 counts of felony tied to his supposed involvement in trying to overturn the results of the 2020 election.
On Thursday, he made history by becoming the first president( sitting or former) to ever be detained or have his mugshots taken in a police file.

Won't his going to jail, even though it was some few hours thanks to a $200,000 bond affect his contesting for a presidential spot? I don't really know how the American law works but could this hinder him from getting a shot?

https://www.npr.org/2023/08/21/1195080489/donald-trump-georgia-booking

This is just part of the dirty political struggle. On the one hand, the state wants to show that everyone is equal before the law, and that even a former president can become accused, but on the other hand, everyone has long understood that there are no fair elections, so each side uses the situation to its advantage. And Trump has the opportunity for free publicity because he is at the center of all the news.

[Majestic-milf]

Okay, so I'd appreciate some helpful insights on this. Ex US president, Donald Trump has turned himself in at Fulton County Jail just as the heading reads after facing 13 counts of felony tied to his supposed involvement in trying to overturn the results of the 2020 election.
On Thursday, he made history by becoming the first president( sitting or former) to ever be detained or have his mugshots taken in a police file.

Won't his going to jail, even though it was some few hours thanks to a $200,000 bond affect his contesting for a presidential spot? I don't really know how the American law works but could this hinder him from getting a shot?

https://www.npr.org/2023/08/21/1195080489/donald-trump-georgia-booking

This is just part of the dirty political struggle. On the one hand, the state wants to show that everyone is equal before the law, and that even a former president can become accused, but on the other hand, everyone has long understood that there are no fair elections, so each side uses the situation to its advantage. And Trump has the opportunity for free publicity because he is at the center of all the news.

So he agreed to turn himself in so it'd help bolster publicity for the upcoming elections and not because he was actually guilty of the crime? That's a shit way to handle things. So if they knew they were going to let him go after paying some form of bail money, why prolong the case then? Honestly, the way I see the whole situation, it's a case of the wealthy and influential in the society covering up their evil deeds with hush money and appearing in court just to fulfill righteousness.

[zasad@]

Okay, so I'd appreciate some helpful insights on this. Ex US president, Donald Trump has turned himself in at Fulton County Jail just as the heading reads after facing 13 counts of felony tied to his supposed involvement in trying to overturn the results of the 2020 election.
On Thursday, he made history by becoming the first president( sitting or former) to ever be detained or have his mugshots taken in a police file.

Won't his going to jail, even though it was some few hours thanks to a $200,000 bond affect his contesting for a presidential spot? I don't really know how the American law works but could this hinder him from getting a shot?

https://www.npr.org/2023/08/21/1195080489/donald-trump-georgia-booking

This is just part of the dirty political struggle. On the one hand, the state wants to show that everyone is equal before the law, and that even a former president can become accused, but on the other hand, everyone has long understood that there are no fair elections, so each side uses the situation to its advantage. And Trump has the opportunity for free publicity because he is at the center of all the news.

So he agreed to turn himself in so it'd help bolster publicity for the upcoming elections and not because he was actually guilty of the crime? That's a shit way to handle things. So if they knew they were going to let him go after paying some form of bail money, why prolong the case then? Honestly, the way I see the whole situation, it's a case of the wealthy and influential in the society covering up their evil deeds with hush money and appearing in court just to fulfill righteousness.

Under American law, a person is not guilty until a court decision.
Elections are constantly manipulated in the US. From examples, an example from a private conversation. On Twitter, the system divides people by interests and political views and shows each audience the right fragments from the speeches of the right politicians.
If you are interested in cryptocurrencies, then you will constantly see beautiful speeches of candidates about the legalization of cryptocurrencies and maximum freedom in the development of these ecosystems.
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Trump will not go to jail, and if he is elected president, all charges will be dropped.

[BADecker]

I don' know what Trump really did or didn't do. But let's say he was innocent of wrongdoing. But that' not what the court is looking for. They are simply looking for Trump admitting to doing something. If he admits to doing the things they are indicting him for, even though he did nothing wrong, they will convict him... even though he is convicted of doing right things. Then they will try to punish him for getting convicted.

The other side of this is the advertising. If there were any angry Trump people Jan 6, there are going to be a bunch more and angrier now. Even your standard Dem realizes that this is stupidity on the part of the Biden team.

Mike Lindell developed a device that can track if voting machines are hooking to the Internet during the voting. Three-hundred-thousand of his people are taking these devices around the country to all the major voting places. And this time (2024) the Reps will be watching the voting places a lot more closely.

If Trump is both elected and found guilty, he will be under White House arrest, and out to the Capitol under Huber laws (work release). If he appeals, he might not have any trouble until after his next presidential term, 2024.

[blockman]

That mugshot of his is classic. Based on the article, 13 felony counts were charged against him. In our country, the Philippines, this isn't something new. There have been ex-presidents that have been detained due to their past administration but yeah, this isn't about our country.
Anyway, based on what I've searched about Trump's case. A felony charge could go behind bars for a year so x13 with that, 13 years? Is that right? But with bail, anything is possible. I'm just confused a website says as per google said it's not baliable, but some says it is.

[BADecker]

That mugshot of his is classic. Based on the article, 13 felony counts were charged against him. In our country, the Philippines, this isn't something new. There have been ex-presidents that have been detained due to their past administration but yeah, this isn't about our country.
Anyway, based on what I've searched about Trump's case. A felony charge could go behind bars for a year so x13 with that, 13 years? Is that right? But with bail, anything is possible. I'm just confused a website says as per google said it's not baliable, but some says it is.

Yes. It will be really funny if Trump is found guilty and is elected at the same time (2024). His guilt won't stop him from being president. It can't. It would be an interference in government. Maybe White House arrest, and out for work to the Capitol on the Huber laws.

[blockman]

That mugshot of his is classic. Based on the article, 13 felony counts were charged against him. In our country, the Philippines, this isn't something new. There have been ex-presidents that have been detained due to their past administration but yeah, this isn't about our country.
Anyway, based on what I've searched about Trump's case. A felony charge could go behind bars for a year so x13 with that, 13 years? Is that right? But with bail, anything is possible. I'm just confused a website says as per google said it's not baliable, but some says it is.

Yes. It will be really funny if Trump is found guilty and is elected at the same time (2024). His guilt won't stop him from being president. It can't.

Yeah. He's got plans to run again next year and many are saying that this could be a tactic from his opponents (whoever they are) to discourage people from voting for him. But AFAIK, an elected official has got immunity from this type of case, right?

It would be an interference in government. Maybe White House arrest, and out for work to the Capitol on the Huber laws.

If that's possible through that law, yeah, we'll see on 2024.

[DeathAngel]

I have no political beliefs, I do not vote to be honest but that’s another story. I think the recently leaked mugshot is hilarious though. I think Trump may use it in some way for his campaign movement in the next election. Either way though, the emotion he is displaying in the mugshot made me laugh.

[paxmao]

That mugshot of his is classic. Based on the article, 13 felony counts were charged against him. In our country, the Philippines, this isn't something new. There have been ex-presidents that have been detained due to their past administration but yeah, this isn't about our country.
Anyway, based on what I've searched about Trump's case. A felony charge could go behind bars for a year so x13 with that, 13 years? Is that right? But with bail, anything is possible. I'm just confused a website says as per google said it's not baliable, but some says it is.

Yes. It will be really funny if Trump is found guilty and is elected at the same time (2024). His guilt won't stop him from being president. It can't. It would be an interference in government. Maybe White House arrest, and out for work to the Capitol on the Huber laws.

False, this is something that Trumpians are spreading just to keep the guy having chances to run.

Section 3 of the 14th Amendment prohibits the election or appointment of an individual to state or federal office if they previously held such an office, took an oath of office and then “engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the [United States], or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.”

Example, trying to overturn the constitution of the United States can be easily interpreted as insurrection and rebellion - and Trump has clearly engaged in such activities. Also, not acting to stop the mobs in the Capitol can be interpreted  as providing support to people trying to overturn the legal and governmental system. Please notice that it says "enemies" is not just "external enemies".

Under these grounds, Trump is out if found guilty.

[BADecker]

That mugshot of his is classic. Based on the article, 13 felony counts were charged against him. In our country, the Philippines, this isn't something new. There have been ex-presidents that have been detained due to their past administration but yeah, this isn't about our country.
Anyway, based on what I've searched about Trump's case. A felony charge could go behind bars for a year so x13 with that, 13 years? Is that right? But with bail, anything is possible. I'm just confused a website says as per google said it's not baliable, but some says it is.

Yes. It will be really funny if Trump is found guilty and is elected at the same time (2024). His guilt won't stop him from being president. It can't. It would be an interference in government. Maybe White House arrest, and out for work to the Capitol on the Huber laws.

False, this is something that Trumpians are spreading just to keep the guy having chances to run.

Section 3 of the 14th Amendment prohibits the election or appointment of an individual to state or federal office if they previously held such an office, took an oath of office and then “engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the [United States], or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.”

Example, trying to overturn the constitution of the United States can be easily interpreted as insurrection and rebellion - and Trump has clearly engaged in such activities. Also, not acting to stop the mobs in the Capitol can be interpreted  as providing support to people trying to overturn the legal and governmental system. Please notice that it says "enemies" is not just "external enemies".

Under these grounds, Trump is out if found guilty.

You're just like that Twitchyseal joker. You can't seem to understand "innocent until proven guilty." And it Trump's case, you simply haven't opened your eyes wide enough to see that Trump was and is attempting uphold the Constitution. If he wasn't, he would have found a reason to NOT turn himself in.

At the same time you totally ignore the fact that Biden is trying to destroy America. Fact? You can see it in what is happening to America... slum size increase, more drugs and fentanyl, illegals being welcomed in, creations of new money for Ukraine while places in America that have need are ignored.

But I can understand why you are like this. In your case, you are simply an enemy of the US. So, you want to destroy her.

[TwitchySeal]

You're just like that Twitchyseal joker. You can't seem to understand "innocent until proven guilty."

Wonder how many people that chanted "lock her up" are crying like youve been lately.

Probably all of them.

[BADecker]

You're just like that Twitchyseal joker. You can't seem to understand "innocent until proven guilty."

Wonder how many people that chanted "lock her up" are crying like youve been lately.

Probably all of them.

Thanks for that. It's like you never prove yourself to be Correct. You continually use suppositions, and use them to fight against things that are good and right.

I guess I really don't want to say anymore about this. Everybody who knows you knows it by now.

After all, Democrats questioned all kinds of elections in the past, and nobody indicted a Democrat former president the way they are going after Trump. It's all to keep Trump out of office, a totally unconscionable thing that Trump isn't doing, himself.


Trump Campaign Releases Video Supercut Of Democrats Disputing Republican Election Victories


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-campaign-releases-video-supercut-democrats-disputing-republican-election-victories
"Republican supporters and President Trump are being ridiculed, persecuted, and even prosecuted by Biden, congressional democrats, and their radical prosecutors for raising questions about the accuracy of the 2020 victory," the video begins.

"This may be one of the most hypocritical acts in history considering the Democrats have violently claimed that the last three Republican Presidential wins were stolen, rigged, and illegitimate, and it was Democrats who tried to stop the certification of a Republican President," it continues.

The video goes on to cite a number of occasions in which Democrats have challenged election results, including during the 2000 presidential election when former Vice President Al Gore lost in a close-call race against President George W. Bush.

Mr. Gore ultimately challenged the results in the U.S. Supreme Court amid a clash over which candidate had received Florida's 25 electoral votes.

The Supreme Court subsequently ruled that a previous Florida Supreme Court order for an elective manual recount of that state's presidential election ballots was unconstitutional and Mr. Gore eventually conceded the race.

In the video, multiple Democrats—including President Biden, former Presidents Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton—can be seen questioning the 2000 election results, with President Biden stating outright that he believes Mr. Gore won the race.
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EDIT: Gore might have won the race against Bush in 2000. The reason why SCOTUS couldn't vote in favor of Gore in the case where Gore brought the election to court, has to do with what the Supreme Court is all about.

Justice Scalia explained that Gore didn't have even one man or woman who identified one of the hanging chads as his, and that he was harmed by this. The rest of the voting apparatus is up to the States.

In other words, hanging chads is a State issue until there is a man or woman testifying how he has been harmed, with evidence and witness.

[TwitchySeal]

You're just like that Twitchyseal joker. You can't seem to understand "innocent until proven guilty."

Wonder how many people that chanted "lock her up" are crying like youve been lately.

Probably all of them.

Thanks for that. It's like you never prove yourself to be Correct. You continually use suppositions, and use them to fight against things that are good and right.

I guess I really don't want to say anymore about this. Everybody who knows you knows it by now.

After all, Democrats questioned all kinds of elections in the past, and nobody indicted a Democrat former president the way they are going after Trump. It's all to keep Trump out of office, a totally unconscionable thing that Trump isn't doing, himself.

I've already showed you this, did you not read it the first time?



Do you understand what that says?  Did you read it slowly?



Go back and read it one more time.



Ok.  Now, here's the next section:




Ok, so pop quiz:

The president of the United States appears to have just lost his reelection and he's considering 4 possibilities going forward.  Three of them are legal, and one is not.  Fill in the bubble for the choice that would be illegal:

A) Giving a speech claiming he believed there was fraud and calling for an investigation.

B) Filing lawsuits in all the states he lost to challenge the election rules that were adopted.

C) Crying like a baby and refusing to go to the inauguration of the winner.

D) Calling state election officials and lying to them about evidence of election fraud and then asking them to find him the number of votes he needed to win.

[BADecker]

You're just like that Twitchyseal joker. You can't seem to understand "innocent until proven guilty."

Wonder how many people that chanted "lock her up" are crying like youve been lately.

Probably all of them.

Thanks for that. It's like you never prove yourself to be Correct. You continually use suppositions, and use them to fight against things that are good and right.

I guess I really don't want to say anymore about this. Everybody who knows you knows it by now.

After all, Democrats questioned all kinds of elections in the past, and nobody indicted a Democrat former president the way they are going after Trump. It's all to keep Trump out of office, a totally unconscionable thing that Trump isn't doing, himself.

I've already showed you this, did you not read it the first time?



Do you understand what that says?  Did you read it slowly?



Go back and read it one more time.



Ok.  Now, here's the next section:




Ok, so pop quiz:

The president of the United States appears to have just lost his reelection and he's considering 4 possibilities going forward.  Three of them are legal, and one is not.  Fill in the bubble for the choice that would be illegal:

A) Giving a speech claiming he believed there was fraud and calling for an investigation.

B) Filing lawsuits in all the states he lost to challenge the election rules that were adopted.

C) Crying like a baby and refusing to go to the inauguration of the winner.

D) Calling state election officials and lying to them about evidence of election fraud and then asking them to find him the number of votes he needed to win.

Why is this even here? Trump did all kinds of things that are not illegal. But he didn't do D.

The election was stolen. The method used to do it was to make unconscionable election laws that were not illegal to make... election laws that if the people understood what they were, the people would be abhorred that their State officials were like this.

[TwitchySeal]

You're just like that Twitchyseal joker. You can't seem to understand "innocent until proven guilty."

Wonder how many people that chanted "lock her up" are crying like youve been lately.

Probably all of them.

Thanks for that. It's like you never prove yourself to be Correct. You continually use suppositions, and use them to fight against things that are good and right.

I guess I really don't want to say anymore about this. Everybody who knows you knows it by now.

After all, Democrats questioned all kinds of elections in the past, and nobody indicted a Democrat former president the way they are going after Trump. It's all to keep Trump out of office, a totally unconscionable thing that Trump isn't doing, himself.

I've already showed you this, did you not read it the first time?



Do you understand what that says?  Did you read it slowly?



Go back and read it one more time.



Ok.  Now, here's the next section:




Ok, so pop quiz:

The president of the United States appears to have just lost his reelection and he's considering 4 possibilities going forward.  Three of them are legal, and one is not.  Fill in the bubble for the choice that would be illegal:

A) Giving a speech claiming he believed there was fraud and calling for an investigation.

B) Filing lawsuits in all the states he lost to challenge the election rules that were adopted.

C) Crying like a baby and refusing to go to the inauguration of the winner.

D) Calling state election officials and lying to them about evidence of election fraud and then asking them to find him the number of votes he needed to win.

Why is this even here? Trump did all kinds of things that are not illegal. But he didn't do D.

The election was stolen. The method used to do it was to make unconscionable election laws that were not illegal to make... election laws that if the people understood what they were, the people would be abhorred that their State officials were like this.

D is the correct answer!

And yes, Trump did call election officials and lied about thousands of dead voters and dominion hacking and workers stealing ballots and other stupid stuff that he claimed to know was true but was actually false.  And then he said find me ~11,000 votes.

The election was stolen. The method used to do it was to make unconscionable election laws that were not illegal to make... election laws that if the people understood what they were, the people would be abhorred that their State officials were like this.

What about dominion, and dead people voting, and Ruby Freeman passing USB drives with vote stealing software, and stuffing ballots into suitcases?  What happened to all that?

[BADecker]

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Why is this even here? Trump did all kinds of things that are not illegal. But he didn't do D.

The election was stolen. The method used to do it was to make unconscionable election laws that were not illegal to make... election laws that if the people understood what they were, the people would be abhorred that their State officials were like this.

D is the correct answer!

And yes, Trump did call election officials and lied about thousands of dead voters and dominion hacking and workers stealing ballots and other stupid stuff that he claimed to know was true but was actually false.  And then he said find me ~11,000 votes.

The election was stolen. The method used to do it was to make unconscionable election laws that were not illegal to make... election laws that if the people understood what they were, the people would be abhorred that their State officials were like this.

What about dominion, and dead people voting, and Ruby Freeman passing USB drives with vote stealing software, and stuffing ballots into suitcases?  What happened to all that?

Trump didn't lie. Find his words in context and see that he was questioning, or that he was quoting others who supposedly were knowledgeable.

What happened to all that? It didn't go away. It's still there. Total dishonesty of election officials in front of the general populace. If not illegal, it was because they had the authority to make unconscionable laws.

[TwitchySeal]

Trump didn't lie. Find his words in context and see that he was questioning, or that he was quoting others who supposedly were knowledgeable.

What happened to all that? It didn't go away. It's still there. Total dishonesty of election officials in front of the general populace. If not illegal, it was because they had the authority to make unconscionable laws.

Trump to the Georgia Sec of State (the guy in charge of elections), one day after Trump received the report on the investigation he paid for that determined there were no irregularities involving dead people or duplicate votes:

“So dead people voted, and I think the number is close to 5,000 people. And they went to obituaries. They went to all sorts of methods to come up with an accurate number, and a minimum is close to about 5,000 voters.”

“But you also have a substantial numbers [sic] of people, thousands and thousands who went to the voting place on November 3, were told they couldn’t vote, were told they couldn’t vote because a ballot had been put on their name.”

Here he is repeating Rudys lies about Ruby Freeman and her mother.  This was after he asked Bill Barr to look into it, who did, and testified under oath that he personally told Trump that they were doing there job exactly as they should have been.  No suitcases, no trunks, just transporting ballots in bins from one area to another the same as any other polling facility.

“We had at least 18,000 . . . voters having to do with her. She’s a vote scammer, a professional vote scammer and hustler.”

“They weren’t in an official voter box, but they were in what looked to be suitcases or trunks, suitcases but they weren’t in voter boxes.”

There's plenty more, let me know if I should keep going.

Like, literally....I could keep going for pages.  He lied a shitload.


Full audio: https://youtu.be/AW_Bdf_jGaA

[BADecker]

Trump didn't lie. Find his words in context and see that he was questioning, or that he was quoting others who supposedly were knowledgeable.

What happened to all that? It didn't go away. It's still there. Total dishonesty of election officials in front of the general populace. If not illegal, it was because they had the authority to make unconscionable laws.

Trump to the Georgia Sec of State (the guy in charge of elections), one day after Trump received the report on the investigation he paid for that determined there were no irregularities involving dead people or duplicate votes:

“So dead people voted, and I think the number is close to 5,000 people. And they went to obituaries. They went to all sorts of methods to come up with an accurate number, and a minimum is close to about 5,000 voters.”

“But you also have a substantial numbers [sic] of people, thousands and thousands who went to the voting place on November 3, were told they couldn’t vote, were told they couldn’t vote because a ballot had been put on their name.”

Here he is repeating Rudys lies about Ruby Freeman and her mother.  This was after he asked Bill Barr to look into it, who did, and testified under oath that he personally told Trump that they were doing there job exactly as they should have been.  No suitcases, no trunks, just transporting ballots in bins from one area to another the same as any other polling facility.

“We had at least 18,000 . . . voters having to do with her. She’s a vote scammer, a professional vote scammer and hustler.”

“They weren’t in an official voter box, but they were in what looked to be suitcases or trunks, suitcases but they weren’t in voter boxes.”

There's plenty more, let me know if I should keep going.

Like, literally....I could keep going for pages.  He lied a shitload.


Full audio: https://youtu.be/AW_Bdf_jGaA

So, the SoS lied, but in a way he made legal.

Same as before. When you have the authority to make laws for an election in your State, if you are shrewd enough to make the laws sound good, but make them so that they do bad without the people understanding what is going on, all you have done is legalize what is generally illegal.

Trump simply called this out. For example, the unconscionable legality of using voting machines  when you know that they can hook to the Internet and be manipulated, is legal if the SoS makes it so, but is simply wrong.

In other words, Trump is being called out as illegal when he is 'spiritually' right (the spirit of the law process rather than the legality of certain sections of it).

[TwitchySeal]

Trump didn't lie. Find his words in context and see that he was questioning, or that he was quoting others who supposedly were knowledgeable.

What happened to all that? It didn't go away. It's still there. Total dishonesty of election officials in front of the general populace. If not illegal, it was because they had the authority to make unconscionable laws.

Trump to the Georgia Sec of State (the guy in charge of elections), one day after Trump received the report on the investigation he paid for that determined there were no irregularities involving dead people or duplicate votes:

“So dead people voted, and I think the number is close to 5,000 people. And they went to obituaries. They went to all sorts of methods to come up with an accurate number, and a minimum is close to about 5,000 voters.”

“But you also have a substantial numbers [sic] of people, thousands and thousands who went to the voting place on November 3, were told they couldn’t vote, were told they couldn’t vote because a ballot had been put on their name.”

Here he is repeating Rudys lies about Ruby Freeman and her mother.  This was after he asked Bill Barr to look into it, who did, and testified under oath that he personally told Trump that they were doing there job exactly as they should have been.  No suitcases, no trunks, just transporting ballots in bins from one area to another the same as any other polling facility.

“We had at least 18,000 . . . voters having to do with her. She’s a vote scammer, a professional vote scammer and hustler.”

“They weren’t in an official voter box, but they were in what looked to be suitcases or trunks, suitcases but they weren’t in voter boxes.”

There's plenty more, let me know if I should keep going.

Like, literally....I could keep going for pages.  He lied a shitload.


Full audio: https://youtu.be/AW_Bdf_jGaA

So, the SoS lied, but in a way he made legal.

Same as before. When you have the authority to make laws for an election in your State, if you are shrewd enough to make the laws sound good, but make them so that they do bad without the people understanding what is going on, all you have done is legalize what is generally illegal.

Trump simply called this out. For example, the unconscionable legality of using voting machines  when you know that they can hook to the Internet and be manipulated, is legal if the SoS makes it so, but is simply wrong.

In other words, Trump is being called out as illegal when he is 'spiritually' right (the spirit of the law process rather than the legality of certain sections of it).

I'm looking forward to watching you squirm like this every time more evidence becomes public.

Spring.  The season of squirming.