India or Bharat

[SamReomo]

At the G20 meeting, in front of the Prime Minister of India Narendra Damodardas Modi, there was a nameplat with the country name Bharat, not India. I think the country will be renamed after all in the near future. India is likely to officially change the English-language name of the country to Bharat.

Most people in the western world know the country as India and it's not yet considered as Bharat by those people. Some internal people of India consider their country as Hindustan instead of India or Bharat. The name Hindustan simply means the place where Hindus live, but some people say that the name Hindustan isn't suitable for India because there are many non-Hindus who also live in that country.

Now, the Narendra Modi and his party is trying to promote the name Bharat instead of India or Hindustan and when we go to the origins of the name Bharat then we know that there was a king named Bharata and his name was present in the Hindu epic text Mahabharat. Now, it's the decision of the public to vote for either Bharat or India, but generally people still widely accept India as the official name of the country.

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[JSRAW]

True but to be fair to India. Justin Trudeau started this diplomatic mess and now India is going on the offensive with this visa ban move. I also think Canada might not follow the same route because of various reasons. One of em is that Indian students make up for like 40% of international students in Canada and contribute about $7-9 billion per year.

The revenue generated by Indian students is big and I have heard that the fee structure for them is on the higher side than the locals. Trudeau made a mess of diplomatic relations by bringing in his personal ego after his humiliation at the G20 summit. Imagine if Canada were to ban visa applications, many students would apply for higher education in the US. Already Mahindra and Essar Steel have withdrawn from upcoming projects in Canada others might follow.  If the opposition party comes to power in the next Canadian election, then relations with India may become normal. As of now, Canada has not withdrawn its pension fund from the Indian stock market, if it does then companies like Paytm, and Kotak Bank will get hammered.

The way it's progressing it looks like a test match so we are up for some long haul unless Uncle Sam does his thing behind the door.

I don't think tension would go away easily even if conservatives came into power because India will surely demand a crackdown on Khalistan and this isn't straightforward through the Canadian system. Overall this incident is very educational for Western audiences (minus gov) as far as Khalistan terrorism is concerned. 

[pakhitheboss]

The way it's progressing it looks like a test match so we are up for some long haul unless Uncle Sam does his thing behind the door.

I don't think tension would go away easily even if conservatives came into power because India will surely demand a crackdown on Khalistan and this isn't straightforward through the Canadian system. Overall this incident is very educational for Western audiences (minus gov) as far as Khalistan terrorism is concerned. 

To save themselves from this embarrassment the Canadian media came out with a new theory.

Indian diplomats in Canada were surveilled for intelligence, leading to allegations made by Justin Trudeau about India’s involvement in the killing of a Sikh terrorist, a Canadian official familiar with the matter told The Associated Press on Thursday

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This Canadian government has not officially supported this news. If they spied on diplomat then they have broken a UN treaty. This will led to serious back lash from the Indian government and completely dent the diplomatic relationship between both the countries.

The problem with Canada now is that they never expected such an offensive from India. They expected that India would would keep quite in this matter like it use to do before 2014. India has nothing to lose as Canada needs Indian economically than India needs them. The latest setback for Canada was when India announced Biden as the the guest for Republic day.

[JSRAW]

To save themselves from this embarrassment the Canadian media came out with a new theory.

Indian diplomats in Canada were surveilled for intelligence, leading to allegations made by Justin Trudeau about India’s involvement in the killing of a Sikh terrorist, a Canadian official familiar with the matter told The Associated Press on Thursday

source

This Canadian government has not officially supported this news. If they spied on diplomat then they have broken a UN treaty. This will led to serious back lash from the Indian government and completely dent the diplomatic relationship between both the countries.

The problem with Canada now is that they never expected such an offensive from India. They expected that India would would keep quite in this matter like it use to do before 2014. India has nothing to lose as Canada needs Indian economically than India needs them. The latest setback for Canada was when India announced Biden as the the guest for Republic day.

CBC broke this story and it's basically the mouthpiece of the Canadian government-funded news outlet (69% gov funded lol hinting at Funny incident)  so it's obviously leaked by gov.

Everyone spies on each other, including friends (We also do this) but no one speaks about it publicly because it has severe repercussions, hence the leak via media and there is no doubt that this -alleged- intel (if there is any) came from the five eyes, basically the USA but I won't count the UK as well. Don't look at this gameplay as some economic POV only, it's just one of the many factors.

Trudeau digging a hole and so far no one is willing to pull him up but again Canada is the USA's neighbor and founder of the Anglosphere intelligence alliance (Five Eyes) so you never know. If there is any intel (which is a possibility) then USA has to make a decision if they want to release the tapes etc or not and more importantly at what cost? If they do release it then it will backfire on India-USA relations and it is not good for Indo-Pacific strategy. Both the parties Delhi and DC, mainly the latter party invested heavily in this relationship due to new geo-political realities.

[Bureau]

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CBC broke this story and it's basically the mouthpiece of the Canadian government-funded news outlet (69% gov funded lol hinting at Funny incident)  so it's obviously leaked by gov.

Everyone spies on each other, including friends (We also do this) but no one speaks about it publicly because it has severe repercussions, hence the leak via media and there is no doubt that this -alleged- intel (if there is any) came from the five eyes, basically the USA but I won't count the UK as well. Don't look at this gameplay as some economic POV only, it's just one of the many factors.

Trudeau digging a hole and so far no one is willing to pull him up but again Canada is the USA's neighbor and founder of the Anglosphere intelligence alliance (Five Eyes) so you never know. If there is any intel (which is a possibility) then USA has to make a decision if they want to release the tapes etc or not and more importantly at what cost? If they do release it then it will backfire on India-USA relations and it is not good for Indo-Pacific strategy. Both the parties Delhi and DC, mainly the latter party invested heavily in this relationship due to new geo-political realities.

My question is to both of you, assuming that India did kill those guys and the named one on Canadian soil. Why cannot India openly admit that they were killed by Indian agents? If America can do and Israel can do why not we? If India does admit then what will be the repercussions?

We know that the West cannot ignore India anymore as they need India against China. Then they do need the growing Indian market which has a big potential for economic benefits. The amount of investment happening in India has led India to become the 5th largest economy. While Canada sits in the 9th position, the West can ignore Canada whereas they cannot ignore India. This is my reasoning for India to accept if it has used its agents to do those tasks in Canada.

[JSRAW]

My question is to both of you, assuming that India did kill those guys and the named one on Canadian soil. Why cannot India openly admit that they were killed by Indian agents? If America can do and Israel can do why not we? If India does admit then what will be the repercussions?

We know that the West cannot ignore India anymore as they need India against China. Then they do need the growing Indian market which has a big potential for economic benefits. The amount of investment happening in India has led India to become the 5th largest economy. While Canada sits in the 9th position, the West can ignore Canada whereas they cannot ignore India. This is my reasoning for India to accept if it has used its agents to do those tasks in Canada.

Why we are not accepting it?

We are big but not big enough in terms of economic or military power, even diplomatically and definitely not strong when up against a Western block. Canada is weak only if we look at it bilaterally but not when we club them with the big western block. I mean just look at all the major institutions, everything comes under the Western powers. Yes, we are making inroads but it's a recent development and we have a long way to go so denying the accusation is practical, unless it's proven otherwise.

RAW comes directly under PMO, which basically means if the former is caught, in result the latter party will get $ucked royally (not domestically but internationally). Blowback can be drastic like facing sanctions or start acting like a vassal state against China/Russia because you know, we are beastly people with a beastly religion and were supposed to follow the white master.

Or maybe we are really innocent lol.

[btctodamon]

I read a news today that the Indian government wants to change the name of the country to Bharat. So far this is just a rumor and no official law is pending. These rumors are based on the fact that Rashtrapati Bhawan has sent out invitations to the G20 dinner to be held on September 9 in the name of "President of Bharat" instead of the usual "President of India". I would like to hear the views of the people of India themselves on this.

You can read more here.

P.S. I don't know if I'm posting this topic in the right place. If it is wrong, please tell me where to move it and I will move it. Thank you.

The same country is referred to by both "India" and "Bharat," with "India" being the term used in English and "Bharat" being the name used in other Indian languages. In other words, when you say "India" or "Bharat," you are referring to the same nation.

[Bureau]

Why we are not accepting it?

We are big but not big enough in terms of economic or military power, even diplomatically and definitely not strong when up against a Western block. Canada is weak only if we look at it bilaterally but not when we club them with the big western block. I mean just look at all the major institutions, everything comes under the Western powers. Yes, we are making inroads but it's a recent development and we have a long way to go so denying the accusation is practical, unless it's proven otherwise.

RAW comes directly under PMO, which basically means if the former is caught, in result the latter party will get $ucked royally (not domestically but internationally). Blowback can be drastic like facing sanctions or start acting like a vassal state against China/Russia because you know, we are beastly people with a beastly religion and were supposed to follow the white master.

Or maybe we are really innocent lol.

I understand that we are not big enough for now, but we will become big in the next 10 years. The good thing about this fiasco is that Mr Truedeau has brought shame to Canada by inviting a Nazi to their house. The game changer happened without India doing anything, how stupid can a PM of a country be while inviting someone without verifying the background? I assume this critical mistake can help India create an atmosphere in which the Canadian government would be criticized and the narrative of Canada harboring terrorists would be justified. What the Canadian PM did was to only destroy him and his country.

[eaLiTy]

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Personally, I think we should completely shed our colonial past by renaming our country as Bharat.  

Personally i would say it is obvious that we are talking about this on the verge of another general election, the sole purpose is to create diversion from the real issues and the ruling government know very well that people will divide with their opinions. If a change in name will create the illusion of shedding the colonial past, then we have much deeper issues than what is presented.

Had a good laugh when yesteryears International Cricketers like Virender Sehwag jumped to this bandwagon of shedding the colonial past by renaming while they played the very game the colonial reign presented  which obviously made them rich and famous .

Fact remains that BJP tried changing the name in the past during 2016 and in 2020 and the supreme court rejected the pleas, now the opposition has created an alliance and named them Indian National Developmental Inclusive Alliance in short INDIA, BJP wanted to use this as a bait and flare this with the help of media which is gaining momentum which is not surprising as they have the uncanny ability to divert attention to major issues during elections and win the majority.

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If there is any intel (which is a possibility) then USA has to make a decision if they want to release the tapes etc or not and more importantly at what cost? If they do release it then it will backfire on India-USA relations and it is not good for Indo-Pacific strategy. Both the parties Delhi and DC, mainly the latter party invested heavily in this relationship due to new geo-political realities.

There is an official statement by the US official that the intel was shared by the US to Canada, like you mentioned, it is highly unlike US wants to flare this up at this moment due to geo political and economic ties because India is their biggest trading partner and with the way things are going, they might not want to jeopardize that alliance.

[pakhitheboss]

A bit late in posting this news. I would like to ask everyone here, what do you guys think about it?



I personally want both names, that is Indian & Bharat to be in the school book. It is not right to wipe out the name India and only promote Bharat. I don't  agree with this decision of panel and the government.

[Bureau]

A bit late in posting this news. I would like to ask everyone here, what do you guys think about it?



I personally want both names, that is Indian & Bharat to be in the school book. It is not right to wipe out the name India and only promote Bharat. I don't  agree with this decision of panel and the government.

That is one big stupid recommendation by the panel under the influence of BJP. What are they trying to achieve before the election. Changing the name from India to Bharat doesn't solve any issue. Making changes in the curriculum to suits the global demand of skill worker should be the primary objective. They are still debating whether to use India or Bharat. How much free time these guys in NCERT have for such discussion?

[TheUltraElite]

How much free time these guys in NCERT have for such discussion?

Fact is that government has to push its propaganda to kids via some media and the method to do that is through books and there is comes the role of NCERT.

In either case India is a country where religious and political indoctrination should be countered by instilling kids with the idea of asking "why" at every thing they encounter in order to develop critical thinking and then only these type of junk would not matter to them.