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November 18, 2024, 11:56:28 AM
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As I said, the team is not good enough. The game that we all said would be a clear victory was a defeat for Brazil. This draw against Venezuela is a clear defeat.

If I were you, I would continue betting against this team. It will never work with this coach or with the players unmotivated.
Yes you are right and the result is very beyond expectations with Brazil failure to win, on the other hand Argentina also experienced the same thing with 2 - 1 defeat from Paraguay which made many people feel disappointed with all these results.
Seeing the Brazil squad filled with fairly perfect line-up of players but they lack confidence to be able to play optimally, managed to dominate the game but failed to get goal advantage with the various opportunities they got, I pessimistic whether Brazil will be able to qualify easily later.

The problem with comparing them to Argentina is that years ago they gave the country a title. It's fair that they're in a bad phase now, they've worked hard and given the country important titles. The Brazilian team, on the other hand, is tired without having delivered anything, nothing but disappointment.

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November 18, 2024, 01:24:09 PM
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Yes, it's been many years, more precisely after the 2006 World Cup, in the change of generations, the biggest problem was in this transition of generations, the next generation (2010, 2014 World Cup) didn't achieve absolutely anything, and the current generation hasn't either... so we're talking about almost 20 years of problems to get a national team right... something isn't right and I don't see anything good in the short or medium term... Brazil will need a new generation to become great again and have relevance on the world stage, otherwise there will only be disappointments.

I wouldn't count 2010 as a disaster because they lost against a very strong team from the Netherlands. It was the prime time for Robben and Snijder and some amazing other players. I think it is ok to lose at a World Cup or Copa America, but it depends on how they lost and why they lost. My opinion is that since 2014 they became weaker and weaker from year to year and had to accept some mind blowing defeats along the way.

Yes but talking about a new generation when they still have players like Rodrygo and Vinicius Junior almost sounds a bit weird, but I know what you mean. Brazil was always known for their down to earth high quality football and I think Neymar kind of spoiled that with his Hollywood attitude. It is all about bling bling and the hair cut and what not, but they are not going back to the roots, which were incredibly strong for Brazil.

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November 18, 2024, 01:43:22 PM
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Yes but talking about a new generation when they still have players like Rodrygo and Vinicius Junior almost sounds a bit weird, but I know what you mean. Brazil was always known for their down to earth high quality football and I think Neymar kind of spoiled that with his Hollywood attitude. It is all about bling bling and the hair cut and what not, but they are not going back to the roots, which were incredibly strong for Brazil.

Maybe the situation in Brazil this time would be different if Neymar was disciplined enough in his healthy life, not with his party habits. His being on the team would be better, but the injury that made him have to rest for quite a long time made the Brazilian national team lose his figure. Now it is the task for Vinicius and Rodrygo to bring this team with better achievements. Many fans are disappointed with Brazil's performance so far. But everything can still be improved, they are not too late.

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November 18, 2024, 04:48:20 PM
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Yes, it's been many years, more precisely after the 2006 World Cup, in the change of generations, the biggest problem was in this transition of generations, the next generation (2010, 2014 World Cup) didn't achieve absolutely anything, and the current generation hasn't either... so we're talking about almost 20 years of problems to get a national team right... something isn't right and I don't see anything good in the short or medium term... Brazil will need a new generation to become great again and have relevance on the world stage, otherwise there will only be disappointments.

I wouldn't count 2010 as a disaster because they lost against a very strong team from the Netherlands. It was the prime time for Robben and Snijder and some amazing other players. I think it is ok to lose at a World Cup or Copa America, but it depends on how they lost and why they lost. My opinion is that since 2014 they became weaker and weaker from year to year and had to accept some mind blowing defeats along the way.

Yes but talking about a new generation when they still have players like Rodrygo and Vinicius Junior almost sounds a bit weird, but I know what you mean. Brazil was always known for their down to earth high quality football and I think Neymar kind of spoiled that with his Hollywood attitude. It is all about bling bling and the hair cut and what not, but they are not going back to the roots, which were incredibly strong for Brazil.

You're right...it was right after the 2010 World Cup

I still think Vinicius Junior and Rodrygo are players in development. Vinicius urgently needs to change his conduct on the field to be more successful. What he does is of the lowest quality. Making fun of opponents because he has more money or plays for a better team is an attitude of immense poverty of spirit.

Neymar.... He has been the most talented player in Brazil in recent years. However, he decided to trade his life as an athlete to become a celebrity. It is a waste in sporting terms... butfinancially he has done very well.

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November 19, 2024, 01:03:11 AM
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I wouldn't count 2010 as a disaster because they lost against a very strong team from the Netherlands. It was the prime time for Robben and Snijder and some amazing other players. I think it is ok to lose at a World Cup or Copa America, but it depends on how they lost and why they lost. My opinion is that since 2014 they became weaker and weaker from year to year and had to accept some mind blowing defeats along the way.

Yes but talking about a new generation when they still have players like Rodrygo and Vinicius Junior almost sounds a bit weird, but I know what you mean. Brazil was always known for their down to earth high quality football and I think Neymar kind of spoiled that with his Hollywood attitude. It is all about bling bling and the hair cut and what not, but they are not going back to the roots, which were incredibly strong for Brazil.

You're right...it was right after the 2010 World Cup

I still think Vinicius Junior and Rodrygo are players in development. Vinicius urgently needs to change his conduct on the field to be more successful. What he does is of the lowest quality. Making fun of opponents because he has more money or plays for a better team is an attitude of immense poverty of spirit.

Neymar.... He has been the most talented player in Brazil in recent years. However, he decided to trade his life as an athlete to become a celebrity. It is a waste in sporting terms... butfinancially he has done very well.

I couldn't agree more here about Vinicius Junior and the worst about it is that Vinicius Junior is the guy who complains the most about racism. Don't get me wrong here, racism sucks and is absolutely shitty in every respect, but if I am this vulnerable, sensitive guy, why would I make fun of my opponents for all kinds of reasons? I noticed that too and immediately thought about his behavior when there is racism going on. He should either ignore it or complain about it, but then show integrity and not attack or make fun of other players for childish reasons (or any other reason for that matter).

Oh lord yes, Neymar wasted it. I liked him when he was in his early 20s because he was a sensational player and he wasn't yet diving so much and acting as if he got his leg broken because of a foul. But then he practically turned into this Hollywood diva that I always disrespect. Ronaldo has had these habits, too. Diving and shit like that. But at least he scored like literally nobody else and proved everyone wrong over and over again, which at the end of the day is what counts. Neymar, on the contrary, was not the decisive player. He wasn't helping the team all too often.

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November 19, 2024, 02:56:59 AM
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As I said, the team is not good enough. The game that we all said would be a clear victory was a defeat for Brazil. This draw against Venezuela is a clear defeat.

If I were you, I would continue betting against this team. It will never work with this coach or with the players unmotivated.
Yes you are right and the result is very beyond expectations with Brazil failure to win, on the other hand Argentina also experienced the same thing with 2 - 1 defeat from Paraguay which made many people feel disappointed with all these results.
Seeing the Brazil squad filled with fairly perfect line-up of players but they lack confidence to be able to play optimally, managed to dominate the game but failed to get goal advantage with the various opportunities they got, I pessimistic whether Brazil will be able to qualify easily later.
The Brazilian national team is but embarrassment, the people to blame for this have a name: CBF and a surname: Dorival Junior. The vast majority of these players spent most of their careers playing in Europe, so they need to be trained by a European coach. If they hire a Brazilian coach, the team will never be able to perform well. The way these players are trained is completely different from the way they are trained in Brazil...
Haha this is the umpteenth time saying about the poor performance done by the CBF in handling Brazil, they even can't see the potential that needs to be developed by utilizing great European coach to be able to bring Brazil to have more modern quality of play and be able to compete in structured way in utilizing the many great players they have.
And this is the first time for Dorival Junior to handle the Brazil national team, he failed and he worked very badly so far but what is happening now still shows the CBF trust and belief in Dorival Junior abilities, they really throw away and waste the players who should have been able to shine for the International event.
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November 19, 2024, 11:46:05 AM
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As I said, the team is not good enough. The game that we all said would be a clear victory was a defeat for Brazil. This draw against Venezuela is a clear defeat.

If I were you, I would continue betting against this team. It will never work with this coach or with the players unmotivated.
Yes you are right and the result is very beyond expectations with Brazil failure to win, on the other hand Argentina also experienced the same thing with 2 - 1 defeat from Paraguay which made many people feel disappointed with all these results.
Seeing the Brazil squad filled with fairly perfect line-up of players but they lack confidence to be able to play optimally, managed to dominate the game but failed to get goal advantage with the various opportunities they got, I pessimistic whether Brazil will be able to qualify easily later.
The Brazilian national team is but embarrassment, the people to blame for this have a name: CBF and a surname: Dorival Junior. The vast majority of these players spent most of their careers playing in Europe, so they need to be trained by a European coach. If they hire a Brazilian coach, the team will never be able to perform well. The way these players are trained is completely different from the way they are trained in Brazil...
Haha this is the umpteenth time saying about the poor performance done by the CBF in handling Brazil, they even can't see the potential that needs to be developed by utilizing great European coach to be able to bring Brazil to have more modern quality of play and be able to compete in structured way in utilizing the many great players they have.
And this is the first time for Dorival Junior to handle the Brazil national team, he failed and he worked very badly so far but what is happening now still shows the CBF trust and belief in Dorival Junior abilities, they really throw away and waste the players who should have been able to shine for the International event.

I really hope that after this failure with Dorival they start thinking about a really good foreign coach again. Because there's no point in hiring just anyone just because he's a foreigner. They have a lot of money, they can fight for a top coach.

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November 19, 2024, 12:05:21 PM
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I really hope that after this failure with Dorival they start thinking about a really good foreign coach again. Because there's no point in hiring just anyone just because he's a foreigner. They have a lot of money, they can fight for a top coach.

I'll post some quick gossip, but I don't want to go off-topic

Ronaldo (yes, the good old Ronaldo) may run for the presidency of the CBF and one of his proposals would be to make it possible to hire Guardiola for the Brazilian national team
Mark this post to charge me later hehehe

If there's one person who has access to practically any figure in world soccer, it's Ronaldo, and I confess I was super curious about this news



I'll add something here, if Dorival JR lose the game today, maybe he'll be in trouble for next year, this is my guess

 
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As I said, the team is not good enough. The game that we all said would be a clear victory was a defeat for Brazil. This draw against Venezuela is a clear defeat.

If I were you, I would continue betting against this team. It will never work with this coach or with the players unmotivated.
Yes you are right and the result is very beyond expectations with Brazil failure to win, on the other hand Argentina also experienced the same thing with 2 - 1 defeat from Paraguay which made many people feel disappointed with all these results.
Seeing the Brazil squad filled with fairly perfect line-up of players but they lack confidence to be able to play optimally, managed to dominate the game but failed to get goal advantage with the various opportunities they got, I pessimistic whether Brazil will be able to qualify easily later.
The Brazilian national team is but embarrassment, the people to blame for this have a name: CBF and a surname: Dorival Junior. The vast majority of these players spent most of their careers playing in Europe, so they need to be trained by a European coach. If they hire a Brazilian coach, the team will never be able to perform well. The way these players are trained is completely different from the way they are trained in Brazil...
Haha this is the umpteenth time saying about the poor performance done by the CBF in handling Brazil, they even can't see the potential that needs to be developed by utilizing great European coach to be able to bring Brazil to have more modern quality of play and be able to compete in structured way in utilizing the many great players they have.
And this is the first time for Dorival Junior to handle the Brazil national team, he failed and he worked very badly so far but what is happening now still shows the CBF trust and belief in Dorival Junior abilities, they really throw away and waste the players who should have been able to shine for the International event.

Yes, it sounds really repetitive lol  Cheesy Cheesy but I have a huge frustration with this Brazilian team, I started following the Brazilian team in the mid-90s, and it's sad to see the current team. About Dorival Junior I think I've already commented here, but in Brazil he's always been known as a coach who saves teams in crisis, that is, a team is on the verge of collapse in the championship, they hire him because he's a good locker room manager... however it's clear to see that his teams don't even have a standard of play, just talk and caresses don't win championships, championships are won with tactical talent mixed with individual skills.



I really hope that after this failure with Dorival they start thinking about a really good foreign coach again. Because there's no point in hiring just anyone just because he's a foreigner. They have a lot of money, they can fight for a top coach.

The CBF is one of the most corrupt entities in Brazil. I don't think any truly honest coach would accept working there, except for someone like Dorival, who is honest, of course, but needs to boost his career... a coach who is already established in world football wouldn't need that.

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What a piece of shit are the FIFA by allowing it and the Bolivian federation of football by playing at not healthy altitude, only to take advantadge of that. Beatiful to see Paraguay not losing against them.

They cant win in La Paz so they went much more higher.

 
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In the Brazil vs Uruguay match, Uruguay has attacked very strongly at the moment and they are in a good position to get points. In today's match, there was a tense fight between the two teams in the first half but neither team could score a goal. However, after halftime, the Uruguay team attacked strongly against Brazil and was already able to score a goal which helped Uruguay to move ahead compared to Brazil. In today's match, although the Brazil team attacked a lot but they could not succeed, but Uruguay succeeded in attacking. In today's match, the Brazil team must win against Uruguay otherwise they will fall behind in the points table, moreover, they should attack strongly at the moment. Brazil is a strong team currently and is not able to improve their performance, so if they cannot attack strongly in today's match, they will not be able to respond to Uruguay's goal.

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In the Brazil vs Uruguay match, Uruguay has attacked very strongly at the moment and they are in a good position to get points. In today's match, there was a tense fight between the two teams in the first half but neither team could score a goal. However, after halftime, the Uruguay team attacked strongly against Brazil and was already able to score a goal which helped Uruguay to move ahead compared to Brazil. In today's match, although the Brazil team attacked a lot but they could not succeed, but Uruguay succeeded in attacking. In today's match, the Brazil team must win against Uruguay otherwise they will fall behind in the points table, moreover, they should attack strongly at the moment. Brazil is a strong team currently and is not able to improve their performance, so if they cannot attack strongly in today's match, they will not be able to respond to Uruguay's goal.

This match was a very exciting fight between the two teams for which the game ended in a draw until the last minute. I watched the game and in this match, the exciting fight between the two teams in the first half of the game, no one was able to score a goal, but after half time, the game created more excitement between the two teams. Especially when Uruguay managed to score a goal, the Brazil team was fighting with more excitement and responded to that goal again with their strong attack. However, in this game, I thought that maybe Brazil would win but until the last minute they could not bring their victory with a strong attack, here the Uruguayan goalkeeper made a lot of saves. Brazil shot 18 targets in today's match, and Uruguay shot only 8 targets, Brazil do it try enough and did not get a win, which is why the points had to be shared between the two teams today.

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A World Cup qualifier match was between Argentina vs Peru. I was confident that Argentina is stronger than Peru so Argentina will beat Peru. In the end, Argentina managed to beat Peru 1-0. Today's match was at Argentina's home ground so Argentina took advantage of the opportunity. Argentina lost against Paraguay in the last match. But today Argentina beat Peru. Neither team managed to score in the first half today but Lautaro Martínez scored for Argentina in the 55th minute of the second half. In the end, Argentina won with 1 goal from Lautaro Martínez. Argentina retained the top of the points table with a total of 25 points after their win today. On the other hand, Brazil drew against Uruguay today. Brazil dropped one step in the points table to 5th place.

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What a piece of shit are the FIFA by allowing it and the Bolivian federation of football by playing at not healthy altitude, only to take advantadge of that. Beatiful to see Paraguay not losing against them.

They cant win in La Paz so they went much more higher.

I remember taking part in this discussion a couple of times  Cheesy
It's very difficult to play in La Paz. The stadium is 4090 meters above the sea, and it's the 2nd, only losing to Daniel Alcides Carrión in Peru  Shocked
The Bolivians have used this strategy a lot in the qualifiers and Libertadores, and many Brazilians have suffered there

It's a complicated situation to solve and perhaps it will never be solved, but I'm glad that year after year, teams have learned new techniques to minimize the effects of altitude and not suffer as in the past
I remember some difficult matches in Libertadores



I'll make a better post in a few hours, but looks like Venezuela has completely lost its pace
Although they didn't lose to Brazil or Argentina, they lost easier games and are now out of the qualifying zone




 
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In the Brazil vs Uruguay match, Uruguay has attacked very strongly at the moment and they are in a good position to get points. In today's match, there was a tense fight between the two teams in the first half but neither team could score a goal. However, after halftime, the Uruguay team attacked strongly against Brazil and was already able to score a goal which helped Uruguay to move ahead compared to Brazil. In today's match, although the Brazil team attacked a lot but they could not succeed, but Uruguay succeeded in attacking. In today's match, the Brazil team must win against Uruguay otherwise they will fall behind in the points table, moreover, they should attack strongly at the moment. Brazil is a strong team currently and is not able to improve their performance, so if they cannot attack strongly in today's match, they will not be able to respond to Uruguay's goal.

This match was a very exciting fight between the two teams for which the game ended in a draw until the last minute. I watched the game and in this match, the exciting fight between the two teams in the first half of the game, no one was able to score a goal, but after half time, the game created more excitement between the two teams. Especially when Uruguay managed to score a goal, the Brazil team was fighting with more excitement and responded to that goal again with their strong attack. However, in this game, I thought that maybe Brazil would win but until the last minute they could not bring their victory with a strong attack, here the Uruguayan goalkeeper made a lot of saves. Brazil shot 18 targets in today's match, and Uruguay shot only 8 targets, Brazil do it try enough and did not get a win, which is why the points had to be shared between the two teams today.
Brazil was left in debt again, having to drag themselves through the game to get a draw. Brazil is having more draws than consecutive wins, this is bad. Imagine how disastrous this could be if they don't get back into the game.

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Yesterday I bet that it would be Uruguay or a draw with odds of 2.20 and that there would be -1.5 goals. I was wrong once but it ended up paying off a little. I've told you here several times, the Brazilian team isn't going anywhere with the current coach, nor with the current strategies. You can always bet against it.

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The situation of the Brazilian national team is not good at least when it comes to performance in games. Of course they are benefiting from the fact that there are many national teams in this group that have been performing very poorly, which allows Brazil to continue in a good position to qualify for the World Cup. But it is clear that something needs to be done so that the Brazilian national team can perform well again. In my opinion the solution would be to break this tradition that they should only have national coaches in the national team. They need to test a foreign coach and if things go well, then they could keep the foreign coach.

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November 20, 2024, 05:43:39 PM
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What a piece of shit are the FIFA by allowing it and the Bolivian federation of football by playing at not healthy altitude, only to take advantadge of that. Beatiful to see Paraguay not losing against them.

They cant win in La Paz so they went much more higher.

I remember taking part in this discussion a couple of times  Cheesy
It's very difficult to play in La Paz. The stadium is 4090 meters above the sea, and it's the 2nd, only losing to Daniel Alcides Carrión in Peru  Shocked
The Bolivians have used this strategy a lot in the qualifiers and Libertadores, and many Brazilians have suffered there

It's a complicated situation to solve and perhaps it will never be solved, but I'm glad that year after year, teams have learned new techniques to minimize the effects of altitude and not suffer as in the past
I remember some difficult matches in Libertadores



I'll make a better post in a few hours, but looks like Venezuela has completely lost its pace
Although they didn't lose to Brazil or Argentina, they lost easier games and are now out of the qualifying zone


Yes i dont know what really happen to Venezuela, they lose some power, but managed to not lose against the two giant of the continent.

Chile seems to have a second live and chance with this wina gainst Venezuela, they are only 4 points away from Bolivia who is currently in the last spot to qualification.

 
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The situation of the Brazilian national team is not good at least when it comes to performance in games. Of course they are benefiting from the fact that there are many national teams in this group that have been performing very poorly, which allows Brazil to continue in a good position to qualify for the World Cup. But it is clear that something needs to be done so that the Brazilian national team can perform well again. In my opinion the solution would be to break this tradition that they should only have national coaches in the national team. They need to test a foreign coach and if things go well, then they could keep the foreign coach.

I agree, if it were any qualifier where all the teams were stronger, Brazil would have already come in last and been disqualified. However, if they continue like this, they won't even make it to the round of 16 of the World Cup with this performance.

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I think I can speak for the majority of Brazilians, and no one is satisfied with the Brazilian national team
Yesterday against Uruguay the fans booed the team a lot and it wasn't so much for the game itself, because Uruguay is always a strong team to play against, but it was a boo for everything that has happened so far, mistake after mistake by everyone involved, from the president of CBF to the players

I think they can fire the coach again and start again a new work, and we are only 1,5 years to the World Cup, and unfortunately Brazil can't play in high level anymore, the best thing to do is bet against Brazil and gain some money  Embarrassed



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