[Boxing]: Shakur Stevenson vs Frank Martin - tentative date 11/16 or 12/9

[Baofeng]

https://twitter.com/ESPNRingside/status/1699108446136852975

So we have another good fight in the horizon here. Shakur Stevenson will finally have a dance partner in Frank Martin. And it's interesting as the rivalry between the two camps, Crawford, who obviously will back Shakur here, against a fighter of Spence in Frank Martin.

Shakur is rank #2, while Frank is rank #4. And perhaps the winner here might go after the WBC champion in Devin Haney (although he doesn't want no part of Shakur hehehe as he has plan to move up in weight class and fight Regis Prograis).

With that, this is very exciting fight, and for sure there will be a lot of trash talking here. And we will see if Shakur technical abilities will be too much for Frank Martin to overcome.

[Dave1]

I think this is going to be a competitive fight, Frank Martin is trying to position itself in this weight class and it's good to see that he is stepping up and fighting for me the biggest hype at 135 lbs in Shakur Stevenson.

And Shakur has the hype right now, he wanted to fight anyone, from Loma to Haney but it seems no one is willing, but Frank Martin. And as the OP said, there is a some competition behind as Stevenson is very close to Crawford, not sure though if they trained under BoMac. And on the other hand, Martin is under Spence. So for sure there are already some animosity behind this fighter even before the actual fight.

[bittraffic]

Shakur's belt isn't on the line but this is a title fight for WBC vacant title. Martin seem under rated fighter with more experience than Shakur but had not give more shots for a title fight but this one. The WBC however is not making it easy for him as he is to fight one of the technical fighter.

Shakur had capitalized his wins against the big names he fought.

[Yaunfitda]

Shakur's belt isn't on the line but this is a title fight for WBC vacant title. Martin seem under rated fighter with more experience than Shakur but had not give more shots for a title fight but this one. The WBC however is not making it easy for him as he is to fight one of the technical fighter.

Shakur had capitalized his wins against the big names he fought.

Shakur is not a champion here, all the belts still belongs to Haney. But it seems that Shakur is on the rise in this division. And with this fight, I think more is on the line here for Shakur, to the point that I think this is a must win for him to stay in path for at least the WBC belt.

But as you have said, his oppponent is one underrated fighter, and so he will try to do his best to upset Shakur here. So let's see how it goes, Shakur might be the favorite but I think it will be a close one in the sport bookies.

[btc_angela]

And Shakur has the hype right now, he wanted to fight anyone, from Loma to Haney but it seems no one is willing, but Frank Martin. And as the OP said, there is a some competition behind as Stevenson is very close to Crawford, not sure though if they trained under BoMac.

Shakur is being trained by his grand father.
Here is the highlights for Frank Martin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_oVTxr_mRg

He is good, no doubt about it and he was being trained by Derrick James. But I do think that he hasn't fought a opposition as smart as Shakur is. He is a southpaw and Shakur has a good record fighting lefty.

It might a good fight in paper, but I'm seeing Stevenson winning in the hands of the judges.

[bisdak40]

It might a good fight in paper, but I'm seeing Stevenson winning in the hands of the judges.

Same thought here mate, Shakur is the next big name in boxing if handled properly. With this announcement, his supposed fight with Loma is off by now but the good thing with Frank Martin is that the latter has no loss on his record, this might add curiosity on some so that they will watch this fight but the truth is, this is a fight where Shakur will win no matter what as he can't afford to have a backslide on his glamorous career.

[Jating]

It might a good fight in paper, but I'm seeing Stevenson winning in the hands of the judges.

Same thought here mate, Shakur is the next big name in boxing if handled properly. With this announcement, his supposed fight with Loma is off by now but the good thing with Frank Martin is that the latter has no loss on his record, this might add curiosity on some so that they will watch this fight but the truth is, this is a fight where Shakur will win no matter what as he can't afford to have a backslide on his glamorous career.

I agree, he is about to hit the prime years, and we all know that high caliber athletes when they are in their prime are hard to beat. And as much as Frank Martin is good, surrounding himself with good promoter like Spence and trainer in James, it's going to be hard for him to stop Shakur and it might be a bad timing for him to face Shakur at this point.

The thing with Martin is that he lack the experience, seen his highlights but there are no known boxers in his resume. While Shakur since before the lower weight has face a lot of great boxers and he all beat them technically, and some with body shots.

[robelneo]

Here is the highlights for Frank Martin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_oVTxr_mRg

He is good, no doubt about it and he was being trained by Derrick James. But I do think that he hasn't fought a opposition as smart as Shakur is. He is a southpaw and Shakur has a good record fighting lefty.

It might a good fight in paper, but I'm seeing Stevenson winning in the hands of the judges.

In these fights, Martin is good and looks invincible because those fighters allowed him to be, There is no opposition he just hits these boxers and they all go down, but with Shakur's presence, I doubt if he can do that, Shakur is a fighter who knows how to counter how to jab how to not get hit, something all these boxers Martin fought do not have.

There is a level for every boxer and I doubt Martin is ready to fight a guy like Shakur who is way ahead when it comes to levels and skills, I expect an explosive fight, but in the end, the guy who has more will likely win and that is Shakur Stevenson.

[Baofeng]

It might a good fight in paper, but I'm seeing Stevenson winning in the hands of the judges.

Same thought here mate, Shakur is the next big name in boxing if handled properly. With this announcement, his supposed fight with Loma is off by now but the good thing with Frank Martin is that the latter has no loss on his record, this might add curiosity on some so that they will watch this fight but the truth is, this is a fight where Shakur will win no matter what as he can't afford to have a backslide on his glamorous career.

This is also what I'm thinking, because Shakur might try to go for a couple of rounds and see how Frank Martin will react and then adjust his game plan. And although he has a decent power, he is not a knockout artist in the mold of Tank Davis.

So very careful in the beginning and then just starts to get hot in the middle of the round and takes over and win by a good score in the judges hand. And as what we have been wanting to see, him and Haney at 135 lbs will be good for a unification fight.

[Hypnosis00]

Boxrec is not updated yet - Frank Martin record.

Anyway, this should be a great fight for Shakur as he will face an undefeated boxer. As usual, I will still be rooting for Shakur as he makes his opponents look like amateurs with his unbeatable skills, although it can be a bit boring, I have to admit. But from a bettor's perspective, I would call myself a fool if I do not bet on him.

Based on https://www.oddschecker.com/us/boxing-mma/boxing/shakur-stevenson-v-frank-martin, Shakur is a -500 favorite.

[coin-investor]

Boxrec is not updated yet - Frank Martin record.

Anyway, this should be a great fight for Shakur as he will face an undefeated boxer. As usual, I will still be rooting for Shakur as he makes his opponents look like amateurs with his unbeatable skills, although it can be a bit boring, I have to admit. But from a bettor's perspective, I would call myself a fool if I do not bet on him.

Based on https://www.oddschecker.com/us/boxing-mma/boxing/shakur-stevenson-v-frank-martin, Shakur is a -500 favorite.

He is undefeated but cannot be considered on Shakur's level I'm sure Shakur can easily deal with Martin his first loss, the early rounds will be challenging for Shakur but in the latter rounds like round 7 up Shakur will take over, he's been through a lot of great fights and Shakur dominates those challenges from top fighters.

Martin's only chance is a lucky punch in the early rounds but the big problem is how to close the gap, Shakur has a very good lateral movement and ring generalship, he'll give Martin a lesson in boxing.

[Ziskinberg]

Boxrec is not updated yet - Frank Martin record.

Anyway, this should be a great fight for Shakur as he will face an undefeated boxer. As usual, I will still be rooting for Shakur as he makes his opponents look like amateurs with his unbeatable skills, although it can be a bit boring, I have to admit. But from a bettor's perspective, I would call myself a fool if I do not bet on him.

Based on https://www.oddschecker.com/us/boxing-mma/boxing/shakur-stevenson-v-frank-martin, Shakur is a -500 favorite.

He is undefeated but cannot be considered on Shakur's level I'm sure Shakur can easily deal with Martin his first loss, the early rounds will be challenging for Shakur but in the latter rounds like round 7 up Shakur will take over, he's been through a lot of great fights and Shakur dominates those challenges from top fighters.

Martin's only chance is a lucky punch in the early rounds but the big problem is how to close the gap, Shakur has a very good lateral movement and ring generalship, he'll give Martin a lesson in boxing.

I have seen his fight highlights, and I can already tell he would lose to Shakur. His style is inferior to Shakur's, knowing that Shakur loves to box and is very quick. So, I doubt Martin would be able to score a KO or even hurt Shakur. I think the scenario we are going to see here will be Shakur vs. Oscar Valdez, so Shakur will likely win via a unanimous decision.

[coin-investor]

I have seen his fight highlights, and I can already tell he would lose to Shakur. His style is inferior to Shakur's, knowing that Shakur loves to box and is very quick. So, I doubt Martin would be able to score a KO or even hurt Shakur. I think the scenario we are going to see here will be Shakur vs. Oscar Valdez, so Shakur will likely win via a unanimous decision.

Checking the poll and the comments here nobody picked Martin to beat Shakur, Shakur is so good that even an undefeated fighter with a good knockout ratio can challenge Shakur, the poll and the discussion will end picking Shakur unanimously as the winner, Martin is a big underdog here and Shakur a heavy favorite, I just hope Martin can give Shakur a good fight and this fight is a breakthrough fight for Martin, but not yet his time to fight a heavy favorite like Shakur.
This fight is more like a tuneup fight for Shakur against Haney, and this is a very good tune fight for him.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

I have seen his fight highlights, and I can already tell he would lose to Shakur. His style is inferior to Shakur's, knowing that Shakur loves to box and is very quick. So, I doubt Martin would be able to score a KO or even hurt Shakur. I think the scenario we are going to see here will be Shakur vs. Oscar Valdez, so Shakur will likely win via a unanimous decision.

Checking the poll and the comments here nobody picked Martin to beat Shakur, Shakur is so good that even an undefeated fighter with a good knockout ratio can challenge Shakur, the poll and the discussion will end picking Shakur unanimously as the winner, Martin is a big underdog here and Shakur a heavy favorite, I just hope Martin can give Shakur a good fight and this fight is a breakthrough fight for Martin, but not yet his time to fight a heavy favorite like Shakur.
This fight is more like a tuneup fight for Shakur against Haney, and this is a very good tune fight for him.

Yes, they are creating a lot of hype on Frank Martin or at least his team, but we all know that Shakur is just above the current set of 135 lbs fighters, maybe except Haney or Tank Davis.

But currently they wanted to test him with Martin but then again, Martin might be good but as you have said, he is the big underdog and the best scenario is go and test Shakur chin, that is if he can target it as Shakur is also known to have a good defense. So most likely a tune up fight and winning here could land him a fight for the belt.

[Vaculin]

Shakur's belt isn't on the line but this is a title fight for WBC vacant title. Martin seem under rated fighter with more experience than Shakur but had not give more shots for a title fight but this one. The WBC however is not making it easy for him as he is to fight one of the technical fighter.

Shakur had capitalized his wins against the big names he fought.

Nobody is a champion here, Shakur is already fighting in lightweight division (135) and not in super-feather (130). Both of them is fighting for the vacant WBC title because the Devin Haney is now at 140 trying to challenge the champion, Regis Prograis.

Although there is a slight twist to this bout because the title is not literally vacant after all because WBC is just naming Haney as a champion in recess because of his current situation which I mentioned above. But if Haney will be successful in his upcoming fight and will choose to continue his career at 140 then he will be stripped all of his belts which are situated at 135.

About the two of them, Shakur got more experience and not Frank.
You can see both of their records here:
https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/814937 (Frank)
https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/790719 (Shakur)

[Distinctin]

I have seen his fight highlights, and I can already tell he would lose to Shakur. His style is inferior to Shakur's, knowing that Shakur loves to box and is very quick. So, I doubt Martin would be able to score a KO or even hurt Shakur. I think the scenario we are going to see here will be Shakur vs. Oscar Valdez, so Shakur will likely win via a unanimous decision.

Checking the poll and the comments here nobody picked Martin to beat Shakur, Shakur is so good that even an undefeated fighter with a good knockout ratio can challenge Shakur, the poll and the discussion will end picking Shakur unanimously as the winner, Martin is a big underdog here and Shakur a heavy favorite, I just hope Martin can give Shakur a good fight and this fight is a breakthrough fight for Martin, but not yet his time to fight a heavy favorite like Shakur.
This fight is more like a tuneup fight for Shakur against Haney, and this is a very good tune fight for him.

Yes, they are creating a lot of hype on Frank Martin or at least his team, but we all know that Shakur is just above the current set of 135 lbs fighters, maybe except Haney or Tank Davis.

But currently they wanted to test him with Martin but then again, Martin might be good but as you have said, he is the big underdog and the best scenario is go and test Shakur chin, that is if he can target it as Shakur is also known to have a good defense. So most likely a tune up fight and winning here could land him a fight for the belt.

He can only test Shakur's chin if he can hit him. Given Shakur's style, his opponents would have a hard time imposing their offense on him, as he is a very slick fighter. He moves around and uses his jab very well. Martin doesn't have the quickness and power to match Shakur, so I think they can only increase the hype. But I wouldn't be surprised if the fans were disappointed in the actual fight.

[coin-investor]

He can only test Shakur's chin if he can hit him. Given Shakur's style, his opponents would have a hard time imposing their offense on him, as he is a very slick fighter. He moves around and uses his jab very well. Martin doesn't have the quickness and power to match Shakur, so I think they can only increase the hype. But I wouldn't be surprised if the fans were disappointed in the actual fight.

The only hype that they are going to go on this fight is the fact Martin is undefeated and he is an undefeated fight but they cannot hype it as the fight will be equal, they are going to hype it because Martin has a good chance to upset Shakur, Martin is not yet ready for Shakur whereas Shakur faces a lot of fighters better than Martin.
The only chance Martin can beat Shakur is if Shakur underestimates the power of Martin and comes unprepared, all analyses put Shakur as the overwhelming favorite.

[bisdak40]

The only hype that they are going to go on this fight is the fact Martin is undefeated and he is an undefeated fight but they cannot hype it as the fight will be equal, they are going to hype it because Martin has a good chance to upset Shakur, Martin is not yet ready for Shakur whereas Shakur faces a lot of fighters better than Martin.
The only chance Martin can beat Shakur is if Shakur underestimates the power of Martin and comes unprepared, all analyses put Shakur as the overwhelming favorite.

I don't think that Shakur would let his guard down this time as he knew that big paydays are ahead if he could beat this obstacle. You are right, in terms of talent level, Frank Martin is way below than that of Shakur and upset on this match is very slim because Shakur will be focus as he is eyeing to fight either Loma or Haney next so a lose is not an option here and uncle Bob knows that hehe.

[aioc]

Here is the highlights for Frank Martin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_oVTxr_mRg

He is good, no doubt about it and he was being trained by Derrick James. But I do think that he hasn't fought a opposition as smart as Shakur is. He is a southpaw and Shakur has a good record fighting lefty.

On offense he is good but his chin was never tested and no one he fought are hard puncher All that he fought were patsies and low-level fighters Frank Martin will be in the biggest surprise of his life when suddenly he finds himself an opponent who can take a punch who can counter who can allude a punch.
I don't see this fight any different from fighters Shakur fought in the past, but he needs to look impressive here if he wants Haney he will be in line for major titles even title unification if he knocks out a fighter with an impressive record, even though the record is not something you can all A level record.

[inthelongrun]

Another good fight in boxing. Both fighters have the skills but I believe Shakur Stevenson's skills are at the other level. What Frank Martin has is he is used to this division or even higher so he is the stronger guy. We shall see if Shakur gains power gaining weight or he's power remains mediocre. Nonetheless, Martin has to show no respect for Shakur if he wants to win this fight.

What makes this more exciting is it is a battle between PBC and Showtime versus Top Rank and ESPN. Top Rank and ESPN are the ones handling this fight. As far as I remember since the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight, Top Rank has 3 wins with a draw while losing none over PBC. Two Tyson Fury wins over Deontay Wilder and a draw and the latest was Naoya Inoue's dominating win over former unified champion Stephen Fulton. If Bud Crawford hadn't left Top Rank, it would've been another solid victory by Top Rank over PBC.

Seems like PBC's big stars are hyped inside their network but lose big time every time they face the other networks' stars. Tank Davis is the only remaining undefeated PPV star of PBC and I also believe that Top Rank's Shakur will put him in school in dominating fashion.