[Boxing]: Shakur Stevenson vs Frank Martin - tentative date 11/16 or 12/9

[Hypnosis00]

Here is the highlights for Frank Martin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_oVTxr_mRg

He is good, no doubt about it and he was being trained by Derrick James. But I do think that he hasn't fought a opposition as smart as Shakur is. He is a southpaw and Shakur has a good record fighting lefty.

On offense he is good but his chin was never tested and no one he fought are hard puncher All that he fought were patsies and low-level fighters Frank Martin will be in the biggest surprise of his life when suddenly he finds himself an opponent who can take a punch who can counter who can allude a punch.
I don't see this fight any different from fighters Shakur fought in the past, but he needs to look impressive here if he wants Haney he will be in line for major titles even title unification if he knocks out a fighter with an impressive record, even though the record is not something you can all A level record.

It's a matter of who has the better offense because Shakur isn't a big KO threat. We can expect that his opponent will survive the full 12 rounds. He only has a 50% KO rate, so I think Martin will be able to go the distance. However, I doubt if Martin can outscore Shakur since the latter boxes like Mayweather, who is hard to hit due to his quickness and high ring IQ.

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[mirakal]

Here is the highlights for Frank Martin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_oVTxr_mRg

He is good, no doubt about it and he was being trained by Derrick James. But I do think that he hasn't fought a opposition as smart as Shakur is. He is a southpaw and Shakur has a good record fighting lefty.

On offense he is good but his chin was never tested and no one he fought are hard puncher All that he fought were patsies and low-level fighters Frank Martin will be in the biggest surprise of his life when suddenly he finds himself an opponent who can take a punch who can counter who can allude a punch.
I don't see this fight any different from fighters Shakur fought in the past, but he needs to look impressive here if he wants Haney he will be in line for major titles even title unification if he knocks out a fighter with an impressive record, even though the record is not something you can all A level record.

It's a matter of who has the better offense because Shakur isn't a big KO threat. We can expect that his opponent will survive the full 12 rounds. He only has a 50% KO rate, so I think Martin will be able to go the distance. However, I doubt if Martin can outscore Shakur since the latter boxes like Mayweather, who is hard to hit due to his quickness and high ring IQ.

I guess that is the only advantage of Frank Martin because he will have a full 12-round chance because Shakur is not that type of boxer who has a devastating knockout power. After that, it falls on him alone if how will he outsmart Shakur inside the ring because if we're talking about chances, Shakur will always have an upper hand even against boxer who is a KO artist because he can think clearly what to do and uses his speed to avoid punches that could ended a fight much sooner.

[Jating]

Here is the highlights for Frank Martin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_oVTxr_mRg

He is good, no doubt about it and he was being trained by Derrick James. But I do think that he hasn't fought a opposition as smart as Shakur is. He is a southpaw and Shakur has a good record fighting lefty.

On offense he is good but his chin was never tested and no one he fought are hard puncher All that he fought were patsies and low-level fighters Frank Martin will be in the biggest surprise of his life when suddenly he finds himself an opponent who can take a punch who can counter who can allude a punch.
I don't see this fight any different from fighters Shakur fought in the past, but he needs to look impressive here if he wants Haney he will be in line for major titles even title unification if he knocks out a fighter with an impressive record, even though the record is not something you can all A level record.

It's a matter of who has the better offense because Shakur isn't a big KO threat. We can expect that his opponent will survive the full 12 rounds. He only has a 50% KO rate, so I think Martin will be able to go the distance. However, I doubt if Martin can outscore Shakur since the latter boxes like Mayweather, who is hard to hit due to his quickness and high ring IQ.

I guess that is the only advantage of Frank Martin because he will have a full 12-round chance because Shakur is not that type of boxer who has a devastating knockout power. After that, it falls on him alone if how will he outsmart Shakur inside the ring because if we're talking about chances, Shakur will always have an upper hand even against boxer who is a KO artist because he can think clearly what to do and uses his speed to avoid punches that could ended a fight much sooner.

Yes, Shakur too is too intelligent to fall for that trick to engage Martin and fight him in his own game. I think Shakur will used his boxing skills here and it will be displayed with a total dominant win via 12 rounds.

Maybe Martin will have some rounds to win with his flash skills but I doubt that it can win against the technical skills of Shakur. With that, I will vote for Shakur to win by decision as well.

[btc_angela]

And I read that this is for the interim WBC title at 135 lbs? What gives? I mean they still have their regular champion in Haney so why the hell WBC have to put up another interim belt on the line? It doesn't make sense. All they have to do is wait for the result of this fight and whoever it is, then fight their regular champion, be the mandatory fighter for the belt held by Haney?

I guess corrupt WBC will have to give way again to Top Rank to have another champion in the line for them. In any case, this is a good fight as I have said before, but Shakur for me has the better skills and will win the fight.

[Kemarit]

And I read that this is for the interim WBC title at 135 lbs? What gives? I mean they still have their regular champion in Haney so why the hell WBC have to put up another interim belt on the line? It doesn't make sense. All they have to do is wait for the result of this fight and whoever it is, then fight their regular champion, be the mandatory fighter for the belt held by Haney?

I guess corrupt WBC will have to give way again to Top Rank to have another champion in the line for them. In any case, this is a good fight as I have said before, but Shakur for me has the better skills and will win the fight.

It's because Haney is moving up in weight class and wants to fight Regis Prograis at 140 lbs.
So for now, he can't defend his belt and they don't know what will be the decision or Haney based on the result of his fight.
For the meantime, their top rank fighter in their division is Loma, but Loma said that he didn't want to fight at least for this year after that lost to Haney.
And so the number 2 Stevenson become the highest rank fighter to fight for the interim belt against their number 4.
So whoever wins this fight, and Devin Haney doesn't want to defend the belt or will stay at 140 lbs, they might relegate the status of the winner here to a full and regular WBC 135 lbs champion.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

Here is the highlights for Frank Martin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_oVTxr_mRg

He is good, no doubt about it and he was being trained by Derrick James. But I do think that he hasn't fought a opposition as smart as Shakur is. He is a southpaw and Shakur has a good record fighting lefty.

On offense he is good but his chin was never tested and no one he fought are hard puncher All that he fought were patsies and low-level fighters Frank Martin will be in the biggest surprise of his life when suddenly he finds himself an opponent who can take a punch who can counter who can allude a punch.
I don't see this fight any different from fighters Shakur fought in the past, but he needs to look impressive here if he wants Haney he will be in line for major titles even title unification if he knocks out a fighter with an impressive record, even though the record is not something you can all A level record.

It's a matter of who has the better offense because Shakur isn't a big KO threat. We can expect that his opponent will survive the full 12 rounds. He only has a 50% KO rate, so I think Martin will be able to go the distance. However, I doubt if Martin can outscore Shakur since the latter boxes like Mayweather, who is hard to hit due to his quickness and high ring IQ.

He can also knock out anyone though, I mean his body shots can bring people down. But obviously, he wants to break his opponents, mentality then physically that's why Shakur is one of the best complete fighter. But he really need to show his skills in a big fight and I think this fight will be another defining moments in his career.

And the thing with fighters with good knockout power is that they tend to lend it more on that, they fell in love with that power. And if their opponents is very good in defense and they can't land that power shots, usually they get frustrated and eventually lose the fight.

[FinneysTrueVision]

And I read that this is for the interim WBC title at 135 lbs? What gives? I mean they still have their regular champion in Haney so why the hell WBC have to put up another interim belt on the line? It doesn't make sense. All they have to do is wait for the result of this fight and whoever it is, then fight their regular champion, be the mandatory fighter for the belt held by Haney?

I guess corrupt WBC will have to give way again to Top Rank to have another champion in the line for them. In any case, this is a good fight as I have said before, but Shakur for me has the better skills and will win the fight.

The confusion is caused by the ridiculous amount of belts that the WBC hands out. They have the regular champion, franchise champion, champion in recess, and interim championship. The media is reporting that Shakur vs. Martin is for the interim belt but the WBC website states that it's for the vacant title which means that Haney is no longer champion. Shakur is already the mandatory but Haney has decided to move up in weight and fight Prograis instead. The other sanctioning bodies should follow suit and allow the top challengers to fight for their titles instead of allowing Haney to hold the belts hostage in a division he is no longer competing in.

[Dave1]

And I read that this is for the interim WBC title at 135 lbs? What gives? I mean they still have their regular champion in Haney so why the hell WBC have to put up another interim belt on the line? It doesn't make sense. All they have to do is wait for the result of this fight and whoever it is, then fight their regular champion, be the mandatory fighter for the belt held by Haney?

I guess corrupt WBC will have to give way again to Top Rank to have another champion in the line for them. In any case, this is a good fight as I have said before, but Shakur for me has the better skills and will win the fight.

The confusion is caused by the ridiculous amount of belts that the WBC hands out. They have the regular champion, franchise champion, champion in recess, and interim championship. The media is reporting that Shakur vs. Martin is for the interim belt but the WBC website states that it's for the vacant title which means that Haney is no longer champion. Shakur is already the mandatory but Haney has decided to move up in weight and fight Prograis instead. The other sanctioning bodies should follow suit and allow the top challengers to fight for their titles instead of allowing Haney to hold the belts hostage in a division he is no longer competing in.

Just like in the case of Charlo if I'm not mistaken, either of the brother has held hostage the belt that they hold one time or another. Like Jermell, who is going to fight Canelo next. He is supposed to fight Tszyu for the belt but then they postponed it because of his supposedly hand injuries.

Now, he is fighting Canelo, so they should have stripped him of the belt and let Tsyzu become their regular champion. As for this fight, yes, this should be for the vacant because it's obvious that the champion is campaigning to a higher division already.

[FinneysTrueVision]

An update on this fight: Frank Martin has pulled out and Stevenson is now looking to fight #6 ranked fighter Edwin de los Santos.
https://www.boxingscene.com/shakur-stevenson-seeks-new-opponent-wbc-lightweight-title-fight-frank-martin-out--177598

My guess is that Haymon has managed to pull some strings and another one of Haney's belts will suddenly be declared vacant so that Martin can face an easier opponent instead. Stevenson has called himself the most ducked fighter in boxing and that claim may be accurate. None of the top fighters in the division seem too interested in fighting him.

[inthelongrun]

So bad. This fight is off. It's already circulating quickly in the boxing community since yesterday. I don't know who's right or wrong. The purse bid was called off after PBC and Martin allowed Top Rank and ESPN to handle this fight. But once Martin receives the contract, he don't want to sign it citing he was low-balled by Shakur and Top Rank. Martin is guaranteed over a million dollars which will be his biggest purse in his career which seems very good already knowing this is also his first title fight. I guess he is okay with that money which is actually very big already but he felt low-balled upon knowing that Shakur is guaranteed $5 million.

PBC fans will call this a low blow but Top Rank fans will call Martin greedy. Shakur is obviously the A-side here. Shakur just moved up but prior to that, he was a former 2-division world champion, former unified champion, and lineal champion at 130.

The WBC, Shakur, and Top Rank are now looking at who's next in the rankings. But hopefully, they can still settle the issue. Maybe give Frank Martin $1.5 million before giving up on him. If Martin refuses then he is missing his chance of a title fight. I doubt Martin can contest and tell the WBC to make the purse bid since he and PBC already called it off in favor of Top Rank.

[Baofeng]

An update on this fight: Frank Martin has pulled out and Stevenson is now looking to fight #6 ranked fighter Edwin de los Santos.
https://www.boxingscene.com/shakur-stevenson-seeks-new-opponent-wbc-lightweight-title-fight-frank-martin-out--177598

My guess is that Haymon has managed to pull some strings and another one of Haney's belts will suddenly be declared vacant so that Martin can face an easier opponent instead. Stevenson has called himself the most ducked fighter in boxing and that claim may be accurate. None of the top fighters in the division seem too interested in fighting him.

Thanks I was about to update this thread as well with the postponement. So I guess Shakur will have to find another dance partner because it seems that it's a clear duck on the side of Martin or his camp not to fight Shakur when everything was agreed upon already as per Shakur's team and that they just had to send the documents and sign by Martin.

So sorry for Frank Martin though, I mean this is his chance to really break out and get the interim belt or even the regular belt for that matter. But I guess his advisers doesn't want that, or at least the money that they are getting.

I'll keep the thread for at least 24 hours and then lock it out to hear other thoughts on the cancellation as to who is affected more.

[Kemarit]

So bad. This fight is off. It's already circulating quickly in the boxing community since yesterday. I don't know who's right or wrong. The purse bid was called off after PBC and Martin allowed Top Rank and ESPN to handle this fight. But once Martin receives the contract, he don't want to sign it citing he was low-balled by Shakur and Top Rank. Martin is guaranteed over a million dollars which will be his biggest purse in his career which seems very good already knowing this is also his first title fight. I guess he is okay with that money which is actually very big already but he felt low-balled upon knowing that Shakur is guaranteed $5 million.

Doesn't makes sense isn't it? When you have that big opportunity in the line to get that kind of money, then suddenly you turn it down?
I feel sorry for Martin though, maybe someone from inside calls it, maybe it was his promotion Spence who doesn't like what they see.

PBC fans will call this a low blow but Top Rank fans will call Martin greedy. Shakur is obviously the A-side here. Shakur just moved up but prior to that, he was a former 2-division world champion, former unified champion, and lineal champion at 130.

It's business though, we all know that someone will really have to start below at like $1 million offer and then make his way up if he becomes a champion.
So no excuses here, it was about the money and Frank Martin's camp became greedy.

The WBC, Shakur, and Top Rank are now looking at who's next in the rankings. But hopefully, they can still settle the issue. Maybe give Frank Martin $1.5 million before giving up on him. If Martin refuses then he is missing his chance of a title fight. I doubt Martin can contest and tell the WBC to make the purse bid since he and PBC already called it off in favor of Top Rank.

Isaac "Pitbull" Cruz and William Zepeda is rank 4 and 5 in WBC. But not sure if Top Rank are going to be interested on those names though.
Shakur will have to find a dance partner in the next couple of weeks.

[coin-investor]

An update on this fight: Frank Martin has pulled out and Stevenson is now looking to fight #6 ranked fighter Edwin de los Santos.
https://www.boxingscene.com/shakur-stevenson-seeks-new-opponent-wbc-lightweight-title-fight-frank-martin-out--177598

My guess is that Haymon has managed to pull some strings and another one of Haney's belts will suddenly be declared vacant so that Martin can face an easier opponent instead. Stevenson has called himself the most ducked fighter in boxing and that claim may be accurate. None of the top fighters in the division seem too interested in fighting him.

If it's not Haney or Tank,  Shakur can easily deal with any fighter that is put in front of him, This Edwin de Los Santos has a good record but his skill is not even close to what Shalur can do in the ring, We have a good discussion on this Shakur Stevenson vs Frank Martin but we all end up with Shakur winning bu knock out or decision but Martin has an easy shortcut to being a champion, thanks to his manager but he will be a weak champion compared to the other champion in his division, and maybe he will cross path against Shakur in the future so he better be ready.

[Japinat]

And I read that this is for the interim WBC title at 135 lbs? What gives? I mean they still have their regular champion in Haney so why the hell WBC have to put up another interim belt on the line? It doesn't make sense. All they have to do is wait for the result of this fight and whoever it is, then fight their regular champion, be the mandatory fighter for the belt held by Haney?

I guess corrupt WBC will have to give way again to Top Rank to have another champion in the line for them. In any case, this is a good fight as I have said before, but Shakur for me has the better skills and will win the fight.

The confusion is caused by the ridiculous amount of belts that the WBC hands out. They have the regular champion, franchise champion, champion in recess, and interim championship. The media is reporting that Shakur vs. Martin is for the interim belt but the WBC website states that it's for the vacant title which means that Haney is no longer champion. Shakur is already the mandatory but Haney has decided to move up in weight and fight Prograis instead. The other sanctioning bodies should follow suit and allow the top challengers to fight for their titles instead of allowing Haney to hold the belts hostage in a division he is no longer competing in.

Just like in the case of Charlo if I'm not mistaken, either of the brother has held hostage the belt that they hold one time or another. Like Jermell, who is going to fight Canelo next. He is supposed to fight Tszyu for the belt but then they postponed it because of his supposedly hand injuries.

Now, he is fighting Canelo, so they should have stripped him of the belt and let Tsyzu become their regular champion. As for this fight, yes, this should be for the vacant because it's obvious that the champion is campaigning to a higher division already.

It's not that new anymore because we already saw some boxers who did it, it's just a business after all and it's about giving some favors in-exchange for another favor that they might need in the coming future. They may able to hide it in plain sight but the signs that they are doing cannot be ignored specially for the people who has been following the latest news in boxing as it's hard to believe that they are just doing these stunts without something in return.

[Maslate]

An update on this fight: Frank Martin has pulled out and Stevenson is now looking to fight #6 ranked fighter Edwin de los Santos.
https://www.boxingscene.com/shakur-stevenson-seeks-new-opponent-wbc-lightweight-title-fight-frank-martin-out--177598

My guess is that Haymon has managed to pull some strings and another one of Haney's belts will suddenly be declared vacant so that Martin can face an easier opponent instead. Stevenson has called himself the most ducked fighter in boxing and that claim may be accurate. None of the top fighters in the division seem too interested in fighting him.

Thanks for the heads up mate!

Tough guess and I'd say that maybe that was really the case but even we say that Al Haymon wasn't the one pulling the strings behind the scenes, we still cannot blame Frank Martin for pulling out from this fight that could land him a belt once Haney will be stripped if he continue his journey at 140 pounds because he himself already know the chances and that the belt that he will be fighting for is not that realistic to obtain because he will be facing Shakur Stevenson, who is touted to be more intelligent and stronger than Haney.

[Jating]

An update on this fight: Frank Martin has pulled out and Stevenson is now looking to fight #6 ranked fighter Edwin de los Santos.
https://www.boxingscene.com/shakur-stevenson-seeks-new-opponent-wbc-lightweight-title-fight-frank-martin-out--177598

My guess is that Haymon has managed to pull some strings and another one of Haney's belts will suddenly be declared vacant so that Martin can face an easier opponent instead. Stevenson has called himself the most ducked fighter in boxing and that claim may be accurate. None of the top fighters in the division seem too interested in fighting him.

Thanks for the heads up mate!

Tough guess and I'd say that maybe that was really the case but even we say that Al Haymon wasn't the one pulling the strings behind the scenes, we still cannot blame Frank Martin for pulling out from this fight that could land him a belt once Haney will be stripped if he continue his journey at 140 pounds because he himself already know the chances and that the belt that he will be fighting for is not that realistic to obtain because he will be facing Shakur Stevenson, who is touted to be more intelligent and stronger than Haney.

But this is Frank Martin's chance to show the world if he has what it takes to become a champion, whether this is just for the interim belt. But his team pull out in the last minute as we have thought that everything has been settled down verbally as this didn't go on purse bid and so we've thought that this is a go fight already.

Perhaps Frank Martin doesn't want to take the risk here, as they know that Shakur might win and obviously will put a dent on Martin's career. Anyhow, let's see how will be the replacement, they will have to find someone else.

And for sure, Shakur will go to social media and tell that Frank duck them very clearly.

[mirakal]

An update on this fight: Frank Martin has pulled out and Stevenson is now looking to fight #6 ranked fighter Edwin de los Santos.
https://www.boxingscene.com/shakur-stevenson-seeks-new-opponent-wbc-lightweight-title-fight-frank-martin-out--177598

My guess is that Haymon has managed to pull some strings and another one of Haney's belts will suddenly be declared vacant so that Martin can face an easier opponent instead. Stevenson has called himself the most ducked fighter in boxing and that claim may be accurate. None of the top fighters in the division seem too interested in fighting him.

Thanks for the heads up mate!

Tough guess and I'd say that maybe that was really the case but even we say that Al Haymon wasn't the one pulling the strings behind the scenes, we still cannot blame Frank Martin for pulling out from this fight that could land him a belt once Haney will be stripped if he continue his journey at 140 pounds because he himself already know the chances and that the belt that he will be fighting for is not that realistic to obtain because he will be facing Shakur Stevenson, who is touted to be more intelligent and stronger than Haney.

But this is Frank Martin's chance to show the world if he has what it takes to become a champion, whether this is just for the interim belt. But his team pull out in the last minute as we have thought that everything has been settled down verbally as this didn't go on purse bid and so we've thought that this is a go fight already.

Perhaps Frank Martin doesn't want to take the risk here, as they know that Shakur might win and obviously will put a dent on Martin's career. Anyhow, let's see how will be the replacement, they will have to find someone else.

And for sure, Shakur will go to social media and tell that Frank duck them very clearly.

It was Frank Martin's chance to show what he is made of but he cannot accept to take the trouble and risk his career in-front of Shakur because for him, just imagining it, he just cannot defeat the latter. He wasn't that confident that is why they pulled the plug before these things will be fixed and they no longer can take a U-turn up ahead.

Anyway, I'm already expecting what you said because Shakur just proved it again that the guys are ducking him, including Haney. Now, nobody can argue that because that's what happened.

[coin-investor]

Perhaps Frank Martin doesn't want to take the risk here, as they know that Shakur might win and obviously will put a dent on Martin's career. Anyhow, let's see how will be the replacement, they will have to find someone else.

It's not good for a boxer's career if they duck big names All they care about is an easy it just proves that they are inferior fighters In the olden days when there were few championship belts and governing boxing bodies, the best had to fight the best to get a title now you can easily get a shot and win a title if your promoter is good t cherry picking

And for sure, Shakur will go to social media and tell that Frank duck them very clearly.

Of course, he is the heavy favorite and he has the upper hand and there's manipulation so it's easy to think that he is being ducked but by weaker opponents only.

[Finestream]

Anyway, I'm already expecting what you said because Shakur just proved it again that the guys are ducking him, including Haney. Now, nobody can argue that because that's what happened.

Well, without a doubt and as expected, Shakur Stevenson himself already made a move on the social media about the recent ducking incident where his supposedly foe for a championship fight, Frank Martin, suddenly pulled out after both camps have already agreed to a fight in November 16. But what is funnier is that I didn't expect that Frank Martin will response to it saying that he is not ducking anybody.

I mean it will help his case if he has some reasons to back up his actions, but the thing is, he doesn't have any.

[Kemarit]

Anyway, I'm already expecting what you said because Shakur just proved it again that the guys are ducking him, including Haney. Now, nobody can argue that because that's what happened.

Well, without a doubt and as expected, Shakur Stevenson himself already made a move on the social media about the recent ducking incident where his supposedly foe for a championship fight, Frank Martin, suddenly pulled out after both camps have already agreed to a fight in November 16. But what is funnier is that I didn't expect that Frank Martin will response to it saying that he is not ducking anybody.

Yes, he responded by saying that "I ain't duck s**t", but it's very clear to us boxing fans that he avoided Stevenson.
Maybe down the line they are still going to fight, but after their supposedly negotiations and some insider information that both parties have agreed and they even had dates already narrow then and then suddenly the camp of Frank Martin calls it off? Then it's very obvious.

I mean it will help his case if he has some reasons to back up his actions, but the thing is, he doesn't have any.

Except that money ain't that good, easy as that.
But sometimes to have to take less to gain more, as what others boxers did throughout their careers and it paid off.