Why gambling beginners must not joke with casino announcement

[ethereumhunter]

I guess this is something not limited to Casinos, ToS are hardly read by anyone whether you are opening a bank account or installing a Windows operating system. The main reason is ToS are so lengthy for people to read in short duration, majority just prefer to press 'I accept' button and get started. We only start paying attention to these terms and conditions once we are struck on some issue and support representative says you already agreed to these terms.

That's true but that's at least what we have to do if we want to register ourselves at a casino. We must remember that registering at a casino is different from registering at a bank or installing a Windows operating system. Registering at a casino means that we are using the casino to gamble with money, so we have to know what the rules are so that we keep the rules. Meanwhile, if you want to register or open an account at a bank, you trust the bank to store your money or savings so you feel you don't need to read the regulations because to save savings, you don't need many requirements. Maybe people need to pay attention to the minimum balance that must be in their bank account or the bank will close your bank account.

[LUCKMCFLY]

I invite you to check out the Bitlucy casino project, which was launched more than a year ago, and how it turned into a confirmed scam after gaining trust from the community. The scammer launched a casino that had all the necessary functions and then partnered with an honest member here on the forum to undertake advertising tasks, including answering the community’s questions and launching a signature campaign to introduce the casino. Many trusted members joined the campaign because of their trust in its manager, which added more credibility to the casino. After a short period, problems began to appear, and many users lost their deposits. The biggest victim was the member who ran the promotional campaigns, who had to compensate from his own pocket.
This provides an example of how scammers can convince a group of their integrity with impressive skill.

Yeah!  I know about this case of fraud and I generally understand the scheme by which this fraudster acted.  It remains to be admitted that here, too, individual users penetrate our forum who initially had dishonest and fraudulent intentions. 

Of course, our forum is not immune to this and it would be too difficult and expensive to maintain some kind of serious security service checking casinos for their honest intentions, simply because the forum has a completely different bassic profile.  This should obviously be done by forums or other means of communication between players and interested parties specifically dedicated to the topic of gambling and reviews of different casinos.  But this case that you mentioned can be said to be an exception to the general rules of maintaining the integrity of BTT users.  By the way, users with many years of experience on the forum actively communicate on our forum and they value their reputation and therefore rarely write false information to this team. 
All such users still value their reputation.

The forum has some moderators and when there is something that is an obvious scam then we could report them and more often than not they do get deleted if they do something about it, but that doesn't mean that it is going to end up with anything decent. I believe that one can get deleted and another can be written and there is no stopping from it.

Reaching out to known members of the forum and expecting them to have a say in this regard is always a smart move and would make it better, I personally think that the best thing to do in this case would be just waiting, you do not have to rush into anything, do absolutely nothing and wait for others to do something, there will always be some people who would risk themselves and we can learn from them.

I do not see that complaining on the forum when exposed to a scam is a smart step, rather it is a normal step because in many cases it is the only step that can be taken in the absence of legal procedures that can be resorted to. Posting a claim on the forum is always intended to confirm actual exposure to scam and alert the community to take the necessary precautions. There are many casinos that are still active despite the number of complaints filed against them. I can refer to the famous casino 1xbet and its version 1xbit.

Well, the people who come and complain here serve in some way to alert everyone of a possible place that is stealing from people, it's not that bad, however whenever a person does this type of things or accusations it is always It's good to take some Screenshots, to verify that things are real, that there is nothing to hide, however when we see this type of advertisement we don't know if in Reality it is because the user has anger against that site or simply wants to make the site look bad, that is also a Possibility , there are always people who are of that style, and I really don't understand why, plus I also know that there are people who warn people not to fall into that place , it is good slaog and that is worth publishing so that at least the most novices do not go to lose money there, of course these things should always be considered in Order to have a better path towards the good that can be avoided, it is what a person normally can do to protect others.

One of the reasons why the forum is there is so that they can see Information that helps people to avoid fraud, and so that they can avoid being Scammed, it is sometimes very Difficult to allocate money and suddenly it can go to another side and not verify that things are bad, in this order of ideas things can go to a path that can be improved for the best, if in some way the People are stopped before entering a casino that they lived for the web, since Either for a warning, they should first go through bitcointalk to verify if the item is here and legitimate, that is an idea that most people should do, but of course, it is difficult, because not everyone has the culture of making things through the forum and reading, something that should always be like that, so regarding the ads I would be a very jealous person regarding that, Information is something that should not be denied and even more so when it is associated with money.

I completely understand this and am well aware of the benefits that publishing these complaints on forums can provide, especially since this serves the principle of documenting these scams. But what I wanted to point out is that no matter how solid the arguments are, simply posting on the forum does not represent an effective claim that can be legally exploited to accuse a platform of fraud or call on the authorities to take action and react.
Only platforms that care about their reputation and have an official channel on the forum interact with these complaints so as not to lose their reputation and part of their credibility. Unfortunately, not all platforms do this, and some of them do not care about their reputation at all.

Well I have seen many players who are newbies who have written in the casino thread that they are considered scams that they have been stolen, that they made a deposit and that they have not been able to withdraw, that their funds are stolen, so this guy There are things that one can say that due to a lack of knowledge many people can fall, not everyone has the forum mind to read, the majority of people or generations now like visual things, only from social Networks like tik tok , youtube , twitch among others, so now the current gneertions are of that Style , what I think is that they can be given to be able to have better access to things, in a forum whenever it is about things with money, they should basically be reviewed. There is a lot of advice so that people do not fall into scams, each person or each of us has gone through good and bad experiences, so what we are looking for is so that others do not fall into bad things that some have already experienced.

Sometimes the purpose of the forum is to help , to Prevent people who come looking for information from being redirected so that they have detailed and specific information, sometimes when we search on the web we do not get very detailed information but rather in a general or very global way. It is not understood why this is so, the advantage of the forum is that things are more specific, sometimes even with forums, this can be the best option for those who go to a cypto casino and do not know how to act. , what they should not do, and why they should do efficient when it comes to choosing a way to go to a casino safely, we must understand that , however, if it is not done this way it is Completely up to the player.

It all depends on the player!  This is absolutely true! 
However, players are very different.  Someone visited the casino website for the first time and didn’t even read the ToS.  And another player has already played in 10 casinos and has experience in receiving his winninngs.  I think that mostly it is players with no experience at all and even without basic knowledge who most often find themselves in situations where they begin to think that the casino is deceiving them.  And that these casinos are fraudulent.  Several times on our forum I read such posts from indignant users who were allegedly deceived by the casino.  But when such users realize their mistake and casino representatives publicly explain to them the course of events when playing such an inexperienced player, then usually this issue ceases to be relevant. 
I think that 95% of all reviews with claims against casinos and accusations of fraud are exactly like this.

Yes, sometimes we can make many exceptions when it comes to players who are for the first time, are very novice, have some crypto and can look for a way to multiply their satoshis, so in this case when they start looking for On Google, many casinos appear that are relatively very good, or it is seen that they are good, they can make a difference, that they can have the best standards of efficiency and that can have more acceptance among people, because they look very good, comfortable , and that they could be doing better things for people, sometimes a casino that looks very good can be at its best, because the first thing you say when you register in a casino is the word "DEPOSIT" and things like that to that, and the truth is there is much that because of the emotion or what they do, in case they can establish a profit and a very good one, because at the moment of winning they cannot withdraw, either for multiple reasons, for enforcing the KYC, 'for another type of things that can delay a possible withdrawal, for that reason I have never liked KYC.

But sometimes they don't bother about the KYC , the casinos that usually capture people like this and that are Scam Casinos, because what they do is say in notices that they need to deposit more money so that they can withdraw, that is the trap. Now what seems incredible to me is that there are people who deposit all this and then realize that they are being Robbed , for not knowing or for falling for anything they look for on the web and that is something very sad, because obviously it is money If you lose, it's okay to lose playing, but if you win, it's normal to be able to withdraw your money without any hassle, and the fact that they steal more than normal makes you more angry, helpless, and everything, That is what we are trying to ensure, that this type of thing does not happen with the players, whether they are new, experts , whatever, because anyone can be robbed if they are Careless.

[delfastTions]

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But sometimes they don't bother about the KYC , the casinos that usually capture people like this and that are Scam Casinos, because what they do is say in notices that they need to deposit more money so that they can withdraw, that is the trap. Now what seems incredible to me is that there are people who deposit all this and then realize that they are being Robbed , for not knowing or for falling for anything they look for on the web and that is something very sad, because obviously it is money If you lose, it's okay to lose playing, but if you win, it's normal to be able to withdraw your money without any hassle, and the fact that they steal more than normal makes you more angry, helpless, and everything, That is what we are trying to ensure, that this type of thing does not happen with the players, whether they are new, experts , whatever, because anyone can be robbed if they are Careless.

Nevertheless, people are so different that there are always completely naive people who simply do not even suspect that a fraudster is playing against them.  Quite often these are elderly people who are simply completely unaware of the various methods of fraud, of which a great many have now been invented.  I think that sometimes even not so naive people end up being deceived by various fraudulent casinos.  A faily common occurrence is a beautiful picture, a generally attractive interface and, of course, some fairly moderate bonuses, but they should not be such as to immediately arouse suspicion of fraud. 
With such competent actions of criminals, even a fairly experienced person can fall for the bait of these nasty scammers. 
And lose your money.

[Gozie51]

It's absolutely true that new players almost never read ToS.  And even more so, they don’t read them carefully and understand the intricacies of different points of the rules of playing in a casino.  But it’s probably not worth scolding newcomers for this, because most of them just want to start playing quickly and automatically, without thinking, click the “agree” icon.  Also, of course, newcomers to casino gambling do not place large bets in the first hours of their game.  They still try to play with a smafl amount. 

I, too, when I started gambling, I absolutely remember that I didn’t read any ToS, but just wanted to start playing.  And I kept putting off reading the rules until the next days.  Then I really began to read, and not in its entirety, but individual points that I considered important for me.

I guess this is something not limited to Casinos, ToS are hardly read by anyone whether you are opening a bank account or installing a Windows operating system. The main reason is ToS are so lengthy for people to read in short duration, majority just prefer to press 'I accept' button and get started. We only start paying attention to these terms and conditions once we are struck on some issue and support representative says you already agreed to these terms.

We are very right in this and blaming it on ourselves but truth be told some of these websites have a very long ToS for people to read and understand and that is the problem because we want to do fast to job into the game thinking that particular time is the real profit time but unfortunately it will still turn out to be losses.

However that customers don't heed to reading terms and conditions before signing up, I would suggest casinos can make concise and yet capture what is needed or select a few important conditions and make them bold for customer's attention to be drawn to it or, making the important once as ads reminder while you login in and playing.

[delfastTions]

It's absolutely true that new players almost never read ToS.  And even more so, they don’t read them carefully and understand the intricacies of different points of the rules of playing in a casino.  But it’s probably not worth scolding newcomers for this, because most of them just want to start playing quickly and automatically, without thinking, click the “agree” icon.  Also, of course, newcomers to casino gambling do not place large bets in the first hours of their game.  They still try to play with a smafl amount. 

I, too, when I started gambling, I absolutely remember that I didn’t read any ToS, but just wanted to start playing.  And I kept putting off reading the rules until the next days.  Then I really began to read, and not in its entirety, but individual points that I considered important for me.

I guess this is something not limited to Casinos, ToS are hardly read by anyone whether you are opening a bank account or installing a Windows operating system. The main reason is ToS are so lengthy for people to read in short duration, majority just prefer to press 'I accept' button and get started. We only start paying attention to these terms and conditions once we are struck on some issue and support representative says you already agreed to these terms.

We are very right in this and blaming it on ourselves but truth be told some of these websites have a very long ToS for people to read and understand and that is the problem because we want to do fast to job into the game thinking that particular time is the real profit time but unfortunately it will still turn out to be losses.

However that customers don't heed to reading terms and conditions before signing up, I would suggest casinos can make concise and yet capture what is needed or select a few important conditions and make them bold for customer's attention to be drawn to it or, making the important once as ads reminder while you login in and playing.

I t hink that maaking the ToS shorter and writing in them only the main points of the requirements for the game process and the issues of transferring money to a deposit and also withdrawing money back to the client’s account will still not work for the reason that the ToS in most cases is compiled by employees who are good  are familiar with all the nuances of games in online casinos, as well as people with legal education. 
And everyone knows that lawyers always formulate rules and various provisions in their texts in great detail and carefully.  And if you write individual clauses briefly and without specifying individual conditions, this can always later cause disagreements in the interpretation of a particular clause of the ToS.  Sometimes this can even be the basis for legal proceedings.  It is clear that the casino does not need any extra reasons to initiate lawsuits against the casino itself. 
For this reason, we will never see a brief and understandable at the everyday level presentation of the basic rules of playing in a casino in the case of officially published ToS.

[redsun114]

I guess this is something not limited to Casinos, ToS are hardly read by anyone whether you are opening a bank account or installing a Windows operating system. The main reason is ToS are so lengthy for people to read in short duration, majority just prefer to press 'I accept' button and get started. We only start paying attention to these terms and conditions once we are struck on some issue and support representative says you already agreed to these terms.

Maybe they intend to make it lengthy? Because they know that this is the weakness of most people. And this is where they can take advantage once these users made a mistake. For our safety, it's better to take time reading the ToS even if it's lengthy. So that we will know what to expect and if it's fine for us to continue or not.

Reading it is only one time anyway, unless of course if the casino changes their ToS. But if they do, they need to give a notice about it because there's also gambling sites that I heard on the past who fail to do so. The said act is kinda shady, and this is one of the things that can damage their reputation.

[Nwada001]

It's absolutely true that new players almost never read ToS.  And even more so, they don’t read them carefully and understand the intricacies of different points of the rules of playing in a casino.  But it’s probably not worth scolding newcomers for this, because most of them just want to start playing quickly and automatically, without thinking, click the “agree” icon.  Also, of course, newcomers to casino gambling do not place large bets in the first hours of their game.  They still try to play with a smafl amount. 

I, too, when I started gambling, I absolutely remember that I didn’t read any ToS, but just wanted to start playing.  And I kept putting off reading the rules until the next days.  Then I really began to read, and not in its entirety, but individual points that I considered important for me.

I guess this is something not limited to Casinos, ToS are hardly read by anyone whether you are opening a bank account or installing a Windows operating system. The main reason is ToS are so lengthy for people to read in short duration, majority just prefer to press 'I accept' button and get started. We only start paying attention to these terms and conditions once we are struck on some issue and support representative says you already agreed to these terms.

But talking about this TOS of casinos and other platforms, why do they really choose to make things very lengthy when they know they can just go straight to the point and make easy-to read rules for everyone? Most of the time, if you look at T&C alone, you can get discouraged from reading it when most of those write-ups are just beating around the bush and at the end they are all saying the same thing.
 
If not, most times if I want to read through the TOS of a particular casino or whatever platform it might be, I always choose to use the search button, which will take me directly to where I want to get information about them. By so doing, I can save myself the stress of reading through that length of stuff without getting tired, and how lengthy their terms and conditions are is part of the reason why most people don't buy the idea of reading it until they fall victim to one of their traps.

[Slow death]

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But sometimes they don't bother about the KYC , the casinos that usually capture people like this and that are Scam Casinos, because what they do is say in notices that they need to deposit more money so that they can withdraw, that is the trap. Now what seems incredible to me is that there are people who deposit all this and then realize that they are being Robbed , for not knowing or for falling for anything they look for on the web and that is something very sad, because obviously it is money If you lose, it's okay to lose playing, but if you win, it's normal to be able to withdraw your money without any hassle, and the fact that they steal more than normal makes you more angry, helpless, and everything, That is what we are trying to ensure, that this type of thing does not happen with the players, whether they are new, experts , whatever, because anyone can be robbed if they are Careless.

Nevertheless, people are so different that there are always completely naive people who simply do not even suspect that a fraudster is playing against them.  Quite often these are elderly people who are simply completely unaware of the various methods of fraud, of which a great many have now been invented.  I think that sometimes even not so naive people end up being deceived by various fraudulent casinos.  A faily common occurrence is a beautiful picture, a generally attractive interface and, of course, some fairly moderate bonuses, but they should not be such as to immediately arouse suspicion of fraud. 
With such competent actions of criminals, even a fairly experienced person can fall for the bait of these nasty scammers. 
And lose your money.

When a casino is being launched it doesn't have many customers, so it becomes the center of attention for people who create accounts early and then publish referral links early and thus earn money from the referrals. This gets worse when they are casinos that are new and offer high bonus values. people don't have a crystal ball to determine that the new casino is a scam before even creating accounts and as currently all casinos must have a license and knowing that having a license requires you to do kyc, so people as soon as they look that the casino has a license, they already they find out that the casino had asked for kyc. Therefore, people no longer worry about reading the casino's TOS, because in their heads, they want to run and create accounts to get lots of referrals early.

but this is a serious mistake, because if they don't read the TOS they don't know about the bonus conditions, although the focus of people who make money with referrals is to create an account early to have many referrals, the focus of their referrals is on the high value of the bonus and as they didn't read the bonus requirements, they are disappointed after having already deposited money in the casino, so the problem starts, because the casino with high bonuses, being new, already had red flags, but people didn't notice these signs and went straight away. put in a lot of money instead of just depositing a little money as a test. When new casinos put a high amount of money into your bonus, it becomes a red flag that people should pay attention to

[goxcraft]

I guess this is something not limited to Casinos, ToS are hardly read by anyone whether you are opening a bank account or installing a Windows operating system. The main reason is ToS are so lengthy for people to read in short duration, majority just prefer to press 'I accept' button and get started. We only start paying attention to these terms and conditions once we are struck on some issue and support representative says you already agreed to these terms.

Maybe they intend to make it lengthy? Because they know that this is the weakness of most people. And this is where they can take advantage once these users made a mistake. For our safety, it's better to take time reading the ToS even if it's lengthy. So that we will know what to expect and if it's fine for us to continue or not.

Reading it is only one time anyway, unless of course if the casino changes their ToS. But if they do, they need to give a notice about it because there's also gambling sites that I heard on the past who fail to do so. The said act is kinda shady, and this is one of the things that can damage their reputation.

It's not about being lengthy. Even if it had only five line terms and conditions, most of us wouldn't even bother to read them. We just don't, we are just lazy, admit it. And it's not just casinos that have huge terms and conditions. Almost everything has it, even the software we use on our PC or laptop. Have you ever read the Windows terms and conditions when you installed it for the first time? I think not.

What you suggested, lastly, is the right approach. Casinos may assume that we don't read their TOS. But even if we don't, they should give us notice that they changed their TOS, and we should read that in order to keep the loss to a minimum.

[maydna]

It's not about being lengthy. Even if it had only five line terms and conditions, most of us wouldn't even bother to read them. We just don't, we are just lazy, admit it. And it's not just casinos that have huge terms and conditions. Almost everything has it, even the software we use on our PC or laptop. Have you ever read the Windows terms and conditions when you installed it for the first time? I think not.

What you suggested, lastly, is the right approach. Casinos may assume that we don't read their TOS. But even if we don't, they should give us notice that they changed their TOS, and we should read that in order to keep the loss to a minimum.

Yes, we are too lazy to take the time to read the requirements and regulations at the casino, so many people experience problems just because they don't pay attention to the casino rules. That is something we have to do if we want to register at any casino, including the most popular casinos, so that later, we will not experience any problems. If we can pay attention to the rules of the casino, we can avoid unnecessary mistakes so that we can withdraw the money smoothly. Usually, this will appear when we want to withdraw money from our gambling account.

Trusted casinos try to notify all their members if there are changes to their TOS so that all their customers can read what the TOS changes are. And its members won't blame the casinos either because they already know the rules are changing.

[dezoel]

I guess this is something not limited to Casinos, ToS are hardly read by anyone whether you are opening a bank account or installing a Windows operating system. The main reason is ToS are so lengthy for people to read in short duration, majority just prefer to press 'I accept' button and get started. We only start paying attention to these terms and conditions once we are struck on some issue and support representative says you already agreed to these terms.

I totally agree with you but we should actually read them when we know there are finances involved because the terms and conditions can contain very important clauses that we might need to know and if we don't like something from it, we can still say no and go somewhere else. It is just like starting a contract and not reading the agreement terms which can be bad if there is a problem later in the process of completing that contract and it can cause us both money and time that we've spent on it.

So when it comes to gambling or anything that we do online where we are required to deposit and use money, we should at least read the terms and conditions before we do that so that we don't face any issues later on in the process and also if something happens that isn't mentioned in the terms and conditions, we can rightly ask them about it since we know about it.

[delfastTions]

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But sometimes they don't bother about the KYC , the casinos that usually capture people like this and that are Scam Casinos, because what they do is say in notices that they need to deposit more money so that they can withdraw, that is the trap. Now what seems incredible to me is that there are people who deposit all this and then realize that they are being Robbed , for not knowing or for falling for anything they look for on the web and that is something very sad, because obviously it is money If you lose, it's okay to lose playing, but if you win, it's normal to be able to withdraw your money without any hassle, and the fact that they steal more than normal makes you more angry, helpless, and everything, That is what we are trying to ensure, that this type of thing does not happen with the players, whether they are new, experts , whatever, because anyone can be robbed if they are Careless.

Nevertheless, people are so different that there are always completely naive people who simply do not even suspect that a fraudster is playing against them.  Quite often these are elderly people who are simply completely unaware of the various methods of fraud, of which a great many have now been invented.  I think that sometimes even not so naive people end up being deceived by various fraudulent casinos.  A faily common occurrence is a beautiful picture, a generally attractive interface and, of course, some fairly moderate bonuses, but they should not be such as to immediately arouse suspicion of fraud. 
With such competent actions of criminals, even a fairly experienced person can fall for the bait of these nasty scammers. 
And lose your money.

When a casino is being launched it doesn't have many customers, so it becomes the center of attention for people who create accounts early and then publish referral links early and thus earn money from the referrals. This gets worse when they are casinos that are new and offer high bonus values. people don't have a crystal ball to determine that the new casino is a scam before even creating accounts and as currently all casinos must have a license and knowing that having a license requires you to do kyc, so people as soon as they look that the casino has a license, they already they find out that the casino had asked for kyc. Therefore, people no longer worry about reading the casino's TOS, because in their heads, they want to run and create accounts to get lots of referrals early.

but this is a serious mistake, because if they don't read the TOS they don't know about the bonus conditions, although the focus of people who make money with referrals is to create an account early to have many referrals, the focus of their referrals is on the high value of the bonus and as they didn't read the bonus requirements, they are disappointed after having already deposited money in the casino, so the problem starts, because the casino with high bonuses, being new, already had red flags, but people didn't notice these signs and went straight away. put in a lot of money instead of just depositing a little money as a test. When new casinos put a high amount of money into your bonus, it becomes a red flag that people should pay attention to

A rather important question here is what amounts the player considers large enough.  
If a player lives in a country with a high standard of living, then even a loss of $500-1000 may be perceived by him as a fairly acceptable loss.  Of course, it’s a bit of a shame if the casino really is fraudulent.  But this will have little effect on the general standard of living of such a person.  
And it’s a completely different matter if the player lives in a country with a low standard of living, where even losing $5 can be considered almost a financial disaster.  So this range is extremely large.  And accordingly, many players may have compltely different attitudes towards the losses they experience during the game when they lose.  It is also worth taking into account the losses from the fact that you did not properly familiarize yourself with the bonuses contained in ToS.  Including lost bonuses from referral links, of course.  For many people, these amounts can be very significant.  
And of course, it’s offensive and unpleasant to realize that sometimes you fall for scammers and also lose money.

[Lanatsa]

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But sometimes they don't bother about the KYC , the casinos that usually capture people like this and that are Scam Casinos, because what they do is say in notices that they need to deposit more money so that they can withdraw, that is the trap. Now what seems incredible to me is that there are people who deposit all this and then realize that they are being Robbed , for not knowing or for falling for anything they look for on the web and that is something very sad, because obviously it is money If you lose, it's okay to lose playing, but if you win, it's normal to be able to withdraw your money without any hassle, and the fact that they steal more than normal makes you more angry, helpless, and everything, That is what we are trying to ensure, that this type of thing does not happen with the players, whether they are new, experts , whatever, because anyone can be robbed if they are Careless.

Nevertheless, people are so different that there are always completely naive people who simply do not even suspect that a fraudster is playing against them.  Quite often these are elderly people who are simply completely unaware of the various methods of fraud, of which a great many have now been invented.  I think that sometimes even not so naive people end up being deceived by various fraudulent casinos.  A faily common occurrence is a beautiful picture, a generally attractive interface and, of course, some fairly moderate bonuses, but they should not be such as to immediately arouse suspicion of fraud. 
With such competent actions of criminals, even a fairly experienced person can fall for the bait of these nasty scammers. 
And lose your money.

When a casino is being launched it doesn't have many customers, so it becomes the center of attention for people who create accounts early and then publish referral links early and thus earn money from the referrals. This gets worse when they are casinos that are new and offer high bonus values. people don't have a crystal ball to determine that the new casino is a scam before even creating accounts and as currently all casinos must have a license and knowing that having a license requires you to do kyc, so people as soon as they look that the casino has a license, they already they find out that the casino had asked for kyc. Therefore, people no longer worry about reading the casino's TOS, because in their heads, they want to run and create accounts to get lots of referrals early.

but this is a serious mistake, because if they don't read the TOS they don't know about the bonus conditions, although the focus of people who make money with referrals is to create an account early to have many referrals, the focus of their referrals is on the high value of the bonus and as they didn't read the bonus requirements, they are disappointed after having already deposited money in the casino, so the problem starts, because the casino with high bonuses, being new, already had red flags, but people didn't notice these signs and went straight away. put in a lot of money instead of just depositing a little money as a test. When new casinos put a high amount of money into your bonus, it becomes a red flag that people should pay attention to

A rather important question here is what amounts the player considers large enough.  
If a player lives in a country with a high standard of living, then even a loss of $500-1000 may be perceived by him as a fairly acceptable loss.  Of course, it’s a bit of a shame if the casino really is fraudulent.  But this will have little effect on the general standard of living of such a person.  
And it’s a completely different matter if the player lives in a country with a low standard of living, where even losing $5 can be considered almost a financial disaster.  So this range is extremely large.  And accordingly, many players may have compltely different attitudes towards the losses they experience during the game when they lose.  It is also worth taking into account the losses from the fact that you did not properly familiarize yourself with the bonuses contained in ToS.  Including lost bonuses from referral links, of course.  For many people, these amounts can be very significant.  
And of course, it’s offensive and unpleasant to realize that sometimes you fall for scammers and also lose money.

When it comes to gambling expenses or usage of those amounts then it would really be that entirely be depending on different factors on which it would really be that so normal that we would really be able to get different impressions and insights towards i on which it would really be that a so normal that losses would be  there.It is really just that on how people would really be able to ealt with it. As for information
seeking then it would really be that recommendable for everyone to read it up because if you do miss out on doing so then you are really that prone to mistakes on which it might really be that putting you up into some trouble later on and we know that there are really indeed things which are really that need to be wary or something that you do need to know.

Making yourself that well informed would really be that recommended on which it would really be just that right or common that you should really be knowing even with the slightest detail and information
on which it would really be that a normal approach to have.

[delfastTions]

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Making yourself that well informed would really be that recommended on which it would really be just that right or common that you should really be knowing even with the slightest detail and information
on which it would really be that a normal approach to have.

It seems to me that many and even very many players are simply too lazy to read the rules of games in all kinds of casinos and, even more so, are too lazy to thioroughly study the rules of all sorts of promotions and events for distributing bonuses from casinos.  And I think that it is necessary to carefully and thoughtfully read such rules simply because in the future you c an accurately understand what bonuses you should be awarded and for what.  Otherwise, an unpleasant state of resentment and disappointment arises when you were waiting for bonuses, but the casino “deceived” you and did not credit them to you.  But it’s not the casino’s fault, it’s  your fault, you just didn’t read or interpreted the rules incorrectly.  Of course, sometimes a player needs to read some rules several times to accurately understand their meaning.  Sometimes it's not even very simple.  But it’s still better to do this before deciding to play in a given casino or participate in some promotion with bonuses.

[LUCKMCFLY]

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But sometimes they don't bother about the KYC , the casinos that usually capture people like this and that are Scam Casinos, because what they do is say in notices that they need to deposit more money so that they can withdraw, that is the trap. Now what seems incredible to me is that there are people who deposit all this and then realize that they are being Robbed , for not knowing or for falling for anything they look for on the web and that is something very sad, because obviously it is money If you lose, it's okay to lose playing, but if you win, it's normal to be able to withdraw your money without any hassle, and the fact that they steal more than normal makes you more angry, helpless, and everything, That is what we are trying to ensure, that this type of thing does not happen with the players, whether they are new, experts , whatever, because anyone can be robbed if they are Careless.

Nevertheless, people are so different that there are always completely naive people who simply do not even suspect that a fraudster is playing against them.  Quite often these are elderly people who are simply completely unaware of the various methods of fraud, of which a great many have now been invented.  I think that sometimes even not so naive people end up being deceived by various fraudulent casinos.  A faily common occurrence is a beautiful picture, a generally attractive interface and, of course, some fairly moderate bonuses, but they should not be such as to immediately arouse suspicion of fraud. 
With such competent actions of criminals, even a fairly experienced person can fall for the bait of these nasty scammers. 
And lose your money.

When a casino is being launched it doesn't have many customers, so it becomes the center of attention for people who create accounts early and then publish referral links early and thus earn money from the referrals. This gets worse when they are casinos that are new and offer high bonus values. people don't have a crystal ball to determine that the new casino is a scam before even creating accounts and as currently all casinos must have a license and knowing that having a license requires you to do kyc, so people as soon as they look that the casino has a license, they already they find out that the casino had asked for kyc. Therefore, people no longer worry about reading the casino's TOS, because in their heads, they want to run and create accounts to get lots of referrals early.

but this is a serious mistake, because if they don't read the TOS they don't know about the bonus conditions, although the focus of people who make money with referrals is to create an account early to have many referrals, the focus of their referrals is on the high value of the bonus and as they didn't read the bonus requirements, they are disappointed after having already deposited money in the casino, so the problem starts, because the casino with high bonuses, being new, already had red flags, but people didn't notice these signs and went straight away. put in a lot of money instead of just depositing a little money as a test. When new casinos put a high amount of money into your bonus, it becomes a red flag that people should pay attention to

Yes, what you say is true, then in part this is like a lottery where luck plays a great important factor, therefore when we do many cases like those Referred to , it is something that we could leave in mind because basically things when they try to see how to win only by making a great effort from the beginning, well seeing it well it is not bad and clearly it is worth it , because we can make a new account in the casino, spread everywhere the reference link in all the social networks that you can and thus win, in many forums and make a shillisnh of biblical proportions, and let's suppose it turns out well, well that is "free" money that the casino gives, but if it happens like a casino here in the forum that what Ioron did was take away people's benefits with his net worth, I don't see it as fair play, nor do I see it as a good way to do things right, therefore this is what could have a negative effect on him, Both for gaming and for those who are encouraging of this, in fact that casino is one of the ones that had a fee and I did not play there Again because it Seems to me that they are too Harmful in terms of their systems.

Of course this is my way of thinking , I am not in favor of giving bad propaganda to any type of company when its actions are noble in terms of the gaming system and very Fair, but in terms of the Systems that manage Competitions, bonso , of certain bonuses, because they Leave a lot to be developed, but this serves as an experience for the other casinos so that they do not see themselves making more mistakes because they want to do things to get ahead of others, so it is always good to put them in context everything that is necessary in the casino so that they can generate a better reputation, more acceptance and better comments, this is Something that all Casinos must take care of, because if they do this to a player they do not measure the consequences , Because that player knows many players and with a bad comment they make everything can Fall down.

[Quidat]

I guess this is something not limited to Casinos, ToS are hardly read by anyone whether you are opening a bank account or installing a Windows operating system. The main reason is ToS are so lengthy for people to read in short duration, majority just prefer to press 'I accept' button and get started. We only start paying attention to these terms and conditions once we are struck on some issue and support representative says you already agreed to these terms.

I totally agree with you but we should actually read them when we know there are finances involved because the terms and conditions can contain very important clauses that we might need to know and if we don't like something from it, we can still say no and go somewhere else. It is just like starting a contract and not reading the agreement terms which can be bad if there is a problem later in the process of completing that contract and it can cause us both money and time that we've spent on it.

So when it comes to gambling or anything that we do online where we are required to deposit and use money, we should at least read the terms and conditions before we do that so that we don't face any issues later on in the process and also if something happens that isn't mentioned in the terms and conditions, we can rightly ask them about it since we know about it.

People would really be only that minding on reading up sites terms and conditions on the time that they are experiencing some issues on which this is really something that something new
or simply a common behavior or reaction for which you would really be only that mindful when things had already been done but doing it before would really be that so hard and this is why they would really be missing out such opportunity for them to read it up until they would really be that deciding on doing so when they have been experiencing some lock ups.
This is why it would really be always that ideal that you should really know on what are those terms so that you would really be able to avoid those circumstances
which would really be causing such problem. If you do play fair then its just fine but its not then expect but of course there are some shady casinos as well.

[LUCKMCFLY]

~~~~~ snip ~~~~~

But sometimes they don't bother about the KYC , the casinos that usually capture people like this and that are Scam Casinos, because what they do is say in notices that they need to deposit more money so that they can withdraw, that is the trap. Now what seems incredible to me is that there are people who deposit all this and then realize that they are being Robbed , for not knowing or for falling for anything they look for on the web and that is something very sad, because obviously it is money If you lose, it's okay to lose playing, but if you win, it's normal to be able to withdraw your money without any hassle, and the fact that they steal more than normal makes you more angry, helpless, and everything, That is what we are trying to ensure, that this type of thing does not happen with the players, whether they are new, experts , whatever, because anyone can be robbed if they are Careless.

Nevertheless, people are so different that there are always completely naive people who simply do not even suspect that a fraudster is playing against them.  Quite often these are elderly people who are simply completely unaware of the various methods of fraud, of which a great many have now been invented.  I think that sometimes even not so naive people end up being deceived by various fraudulent casinos.  A faily common occurrence is a beautiful picture, a generally attractive interface and, of course, some fairly moderate bonuses, but they should not be such as to immediately arouse suspicion of fraud. 
With such competent actions of criminals, even a fairly experienced person can fall for the bait of these nasty scammers. 
And lose your money.

When a casino is being launched it doesn't have many customers, so it becomes the center of attention for people who create accounts early and then publish referral links early and thus earn money from the referrals. This gets worse when they are casinos that are new and offer high bonus values. people don't have a crystal ball to determine that the new casino is a scam before even creating accounts and as currently all casinos must have a license and knowing that having a license requires you to do kyc, so people as soon as they look that the casino has a license, they already they find out that the casino had asked for kyc. Therefore, people no longer worry about reading the casino's TOS, because in their heads, they want to run and create accounts to get lots of referrals early.

but this is a serious mistake, because if they don't read the TOS they don't know about the bonus conditions, although the focus of people who make money with referrals is to create an account early to have many referrals, the focus of their referrals is on the high value of the bonus and as they didn't read the bonus requirements, they are disappointed after having already deposited money in the casino, so the problem starts, because the casino with high bonuses, being new, already had red flags, but people didn't notice these signs and went straight away. put in a lot of money instead of just depositing a little money as a test. When new casinos put a high amount of money into your bonus, it becomes a red flag that people should pay attention to

A rather important question here is what amounts the player considers large enough.  
If a player lives in a country with a high standard of living, then even a loss of $500-1000 may be perceived by him as a fairly acceptable loss.  Of course, it’s a bit of a shame if the casino really is fraudulent.  But this will have little effect on the general standard of living of such a person.  
And it’s a completely different matter if the player lives in a country with a low standard of living, where even losing $5 can be considered almost a financial disaster.  So this range is extremely large.  And accordingly, many players may have compltely different attitudes towards the losses they experience during the game when they lose.  It is also worth taking into account the losses from the fact that you did not properly familiarize yourself with the bonuses contained in ToS.  Including lost bonuses from referral links, of course.  For many people, these amounts can be very significant.  
And of course, it’s offensive and unpleasant to realize that sometimes you fall for scammers and also lose money.

When it comes to gambling expenses or usage of those amounts then it would really be that entirely be depending on different factors on which it would really be that so normal that we would really be able to get different impressions and insights towards i on which it would really be that a so normal that losses would be  there.It is really just that on how people would really be able to ealt with it. As for information
seeking then it would really be that recommendable for everyone to read it up because if you do miss out on doing so then you are really that prone to mistakes on which it might really be that putting you up into some trouble later on and we know that there are really indeed things which are really that need to be wary or something that you do need to know.

Making yourself that well informed would really be that recommended on which it would really be just that right or common that you should really be knowing even with the slightest detail and information
on which it would really be that a normal approach to have.

It is for this reason that when we are in the casinos we must be very emphatic and consistent with what we do and stop doing, because always under any circumstance we are people who will always have the best of all investigations to do in a casino, why? because in a casino what is going to be taken is money, for that reason alone it is worth Investigating where we are going to leave our money, or unless we play with fictitious money to see how it goes, and that can be something great in all the senses, for these reasons it is that when we do various investigations including the opinion of others it is necessary, it will never be a waste of time, although we have to be clear about something, every time we are going to play we want to do it quickly and revolve always as quickly as possible to make the deposit and play, earn, multiply the money, that is what we should always see and it is not everything, we have to consider more things.

Now, taking into consideration the things they have said regarding spending/investment, or the money you are willing to spend or lose, it can vary a lot , also because this depends on the type of value we give to things as they have, That said , we Cannot compare the social and Economic levels of all the players in particular, each one has their own history, their way of handling money and how much they are willing to spend, just as there are people who only manage a very low budget to spend, There are also others who manage a large budget to spend, and this is what makes a player who is accustomed to playing with little money, have the ideal of the Person who has a lot to play, because he obviously says that he would win, because he has more option to win by having more money, then this is what leads to things being seen from another point of view, but each person will always win or lose according to their ability.

[ethereumhunter]

People would really be only that minding on reading up sites terms and conditions on the time that they are experiencing some issues on which this is really something that something new
or simply a common behavior or reaction for which you would really be only that mindful when things had already been done but doing it before would really be that so hard and this is why they would really be missing out such opportunity for them to read it up until they would really be that deciding on doing so when they have been experiencing some lock ups.
This is why it would really be always that ideal that you should really know on what are those terms so that you would really be able to avoid those circumstances
which would really be causing such problem. If you do play fair then its just fine but its not then expect but of course there are some shady casinos as well.

That's what has been happening so far. So many people still have problems when they want to withdraw their money because it turns out they still need to complete the requirements set by the casino. They even accused the casino of cheating by not saying that the rules had been changed by the casino even though none of the rules had changed. And even if the casino wants to change its rules, the casino will notify all its customers to check the new rules that have been changed by the casino and agree to them. But if it is a shady casino, they have completely lost their chance to earn their money because the shady casino is only interested in getting their customers' money without ever bothering to pay attention to their complaints.

[delfastTions]

People would really be only that minding on reading up sites terms and conditions on the time that they are experiencing some issues on which this is really something that something new
or simply a common behavior or reaction for which you would really be only that mindful when things had already been done but doing it before would really be that so hard and this is why they would really be missing out such opportunity for them to read it up until they would really be that deciding on doing so when they have been experiencing some lock ups.
This is why it would really be always that ideal that you should really know on what are those terms so that you would really be able to avoid those circumstances
which would really be causing such problem. If you do play fair then its just fine but its not then expect but of course there are some shady casinos as well.

That's what has been happening so far. So many people still have problems when they want to withdraw their money because it turns out they still need to complete the requirements set by the casino. They even accused the casino of cheating by not saying that the rules had been changed by the casino even though none of the rules had changed. And even if the casino wants to change its rules, the casino will notify all its customers to check the new rules that have been changed by the casino and agree to them. But if it is a shady casino, they have completely lost their chance to earn their money because the shady casino is only interested in getting their customers' money without ever bothering to pay attention to their complaints.

OK then! 
And how can a not particularly experienced player recognize a casino that will never return the money spent or simply deposited in this casino?  But of course, what if the casino is openly fraudulent?  If an experienced player can guess about fraud on the part of some new casino before him based on some nuances known to him in the game or in matters of transferring money.  Then the beginning player has neither experience nor the skills to recognize fraud.  Here all that remains is for an inexperienced player to read the reviews of other players, and on various information resources on the Internet.  This will of course take some time.  But this will definitely help you avoid becoming a victim of scammers and losing your money. 
So, in addition to ToS, of course, it is also advisable to read reviews from other players, which are often quite objective and truthful.

[ethereumhunter]

OK then! 
And how can a not particularly experienced player recognize a casino that will never return the money spent or simply deposited in this casino?  But of course, what if the casino is openly fraudulent?  If an experienced player can guess about fraud on the part of some new casino before him based on some nuances known to him in the game or in matters of transferring money.  Then the beginning player has neither experience nor the skills to recognize fraud.  Here all that remains is for an inexperienced player to read the reviews of other players, and on various information resources on the Internet.  This will of course take some time.  But this will definitely help you avoid becoming a victim of scammers and losing your money. 
So, in addition to ToS, of course, it is also advisable to read reviews from other players, which are often quite objective and truthful.

Players who are not very experienced can research every casino they find to find out which casinos are genuine and which are scams so that they will avoid scamming. But there are still many beginners who need to pay more attention to this because they are tempted when they see attractive offers from casinos. They immediately deposit some money and need to research further about the casino. This is what makes many novice gamblers get scammed from shady casinos where it is their own fault.

That is why every gambler must pay attention to the ToS and read it carefully. Even though we don't pay attention to everything, at least we know the important rules that must not be violated. They can also read reviews from other people, especially from members of this forum, because members provide honest reviews of the casino.