What do we benefit in lies in forum

[Riginac111]

I'm not creating this thread to wrong or offend anyone, because i have read so many post that is like fiction, even though cooperate with system, so many thread in Bitcoin discussion mostly newbies like me do frame a story that is not real in Bitcoin and also said a story of what they achieve in Bitcoin that is not real and present to the public to read and take as real story whereas it's a fiction, I want the reason behind someone given a fiction story to the forum. I want ask a question as an old forum user, is it not prohibited when someone discussed something that is not contrary to bitcoin education in this board.

Instead of formulating what is not real to write, it's better to make research of bitcoin and educate others through your research, some people make some posts without making it to be informative, some gives testimonies of their achievement with bitcoin without proven the evidence. I think we are to exchange of bitcoin knowledge and share experience's of bitcoins to each other not to give a fake information of what Bitcoin has done to you without evidence.

[Cantsay]

The only reason I can possibly think of right now is “merit fishing”.

If you check those threads that the stories were obviously made up, you’ll notice that the first set of people that made threads like that were actually awarded with merits because forum members thought they were being sincere but after discovering that they were all spitting out bullshits none of the recent ones got merit.

[hugeblack]

The forum allows you the freedom to share your ideas as long as you respect others and do not conflict with bitcointalk rules. So unless the story is completely fictional, you are allowed to share it.
The problem lies in lying and trying to fabricate stories to attract, arouse sympathy, or obtain donations or merits, and sometimes this may be to complete paid posts.
I understand that such posts are not good, but trying to ban them will require us to fully verify them, and sometimes that is difficult, such as the stories that I built my house with Bitcoin or bought my first phone or computer with my posts in this forum.

Just click on ignore and people will stop when no one intract with them

[Riginac111]

I understand that such posts are not good, but trying to ban them will require us to fully verify them, and sometimes that is difficult, such as the stories that I built my house with Bitcoin or bought my first phone or computer with my posts in this forum.

Just click on ignore and people will stop when no one intract with them

We all know that they fabricate the story, but yet more people will continue to do same, but at least if they can provide evidence to all those stories it would have be better than making a generic stories. If I'm the one who can be moved with this kind of stories I will not have sympathy on them because all the information is fake and is worth to emulate. I know that everyone has right to exercise it opinion but some opinion is suppose to be informative not giving a fiction. I will not like the situation where by the will be ban because of those kind of stories but let the thread should locked or trashed by the mod, i think that should be nice than banning

[Kemarit]

I'm not creating this thread to wrong or offend anyone, because i have read so many post that is like fiction, even though cooperate with system, so many thread in Bitcoin discussion mostly newbies like me do frame a story that is not real in Bitcoin and also said a story of what they achieve in Bitcoin that is not real and present to the public to read and take as real story whereas it's a fiction, I want the reason behind someone given a fiction story to the forum. I want ask a question as an old forum user, is it not prohibited when someone discussed something that is not contrary to bitcoin education in this board.

I guess members here can distinguish fact from fiction from totally trolling. And specially stories that came from newbies and too good to be true story?
For sure the members are going to ask him a lot of question to that point that we can say that he is just making up stories to get some merits.
So if you find new threads here, then you can ask the OP itself and if he didn't come back to answer then simply ignore him/her.
And then there are newbies who simply shill for certain projects and it's going to be obvious as well.

[Sim_card]

This is another method of merit fishing by fabricating stories and present it to the forum as if it was real. This is the reason why pictures are needed to back up your claims. They don't know that those stories wouldn't give them merits but instead it will make forum members to see them as dishonest people and might even lead to putting them on ignore. It is better in improve yourself my learning and your own research so to grow in the forum rather cooking up lies because for how long will you cook up lies that will make you grow in the forum and improve yourself.

[franky1]

its not merit fishing. many liars i have came across do so to pin bitcoin as a not fit for purpose network so they can advertise some other crap system involving middle men getting paid to perform payments for others of some insecured tokenised version of 'bitcoin'. mostly scams and systems that have exploits.

these liars are doing it for personal greed.

[NeuroticFish]

It depends a lot on the topic.
Some are wrong because they were misled or have been believing others' lies.
Some have their own agenda.
Some want to see how many people they can fool/want to feel smart by insulting our intelligence.
And yes, some are merit fishing.

Probably I've even missed some categories.

OP, keep in mind that the forum is like in real life: not everyone deserves your time. Use the ignore feature well.

[abel1337]

The only reason I can possibly think of right now is “merit fishing”.

If you check those threads that the stories were obviously made up, you’ll notice that the first set of people that made threads like that were actually awarded with merits because forum members thought they were being sincere but after discovering that they were all spitting out bullshits none of the recent ones got merit.

I'm also thinking with the same reason. This kind of post typhically get atleast one merit if the story is real good even if it's obviously fictional. I don't hate this kind of things or iritates me, sometimes it's quite entrtaining to read some newbie stories. There are just stories that are quite repetitive which makes it boring and makes us think it's a made up story.

Should we demand for proofs of their story or atleast demand a disclaimer that it's a fictional story that they want to portray?

[3kpk3]

Which world are you living in op? Liars are everywhere and they usually do whatever it takes to survive in this world. Some of them lie for merit while some others lie for an ego boost.

Easiest way to tell whether anyone is lying about their story or not is by checking their post history carefully.

[lovesmayfamilis]

It is useful for all storytellers to know that if you are creating a profile of a successful person who has his own business, which is paid in Bitcoins, or any achievements that could be boasted here, you should not deviate from your role. We are all on the Internet, and everyone can, if he suddenly wants, introduce himself as anyone. But at the same time, how often are newcomers here disgraced, declaring today a cool business, although yesterday he wrote that he doesn’t know a damn thing about Bitcoin?
Not only does the Internet remember everything, but the forum is also very good at archiving posts, and sometimes the travel story of a storyteller on the forum goes beyond all boundaries of lies, which ultimately affects the user’s reputation.
You shouldn’t treat those present here as people who don’t know how to read; vivid stories are remembered, and then, most often, you want to know more about the writer.
Therefore, if you want to play a fairy-tale millionaire, match it with both knowledge and posts.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Unfortunately, I have to agree with op, there are indeed several stories people share on this forum generally, not just on this Bitcoin discussion board, that are nothing but pure fiction, many have done this for several years using it to amass a lot of merits for themselves, and personally, I think merit fishing is the sole purpose why most of those who created fake stories do so here..

There was a time when a day won't pass without seeing a thread of someone claiming to be teaching people about Bitcoin either in school or some other places, and such thread do amass a lot of merits for the creator of the thread, though small percentage of this stories were indeed true, but most of it were lies and nothing but lies , but then, what can we really do?, if you try to ask the creator of such thread to post evidence, it will look as if you are envious of him or her and a hate, so the best one can do is to either just ignore, or put up a comment acting like you believe the op and in support of what ever him or her claim to be doing..

Anyways, I am not surprised, on a forum like this where the higher your rank, the more you are open to several monetary opportunities, rest assured many will do what ever it takes them to rank up, even if it means cheating, posting fake stories every day, as long as someone believe them and merit the post.

[fuguebtc]

In addition to being a hub for exchanging knowledge and discussing topics like cryptocurrency and economics. Besides, the forum also has the function of making money and many people are doing everything they can to gain people's trust and take "merit" to serve their money-making work. Therefore, you should not be surprised when there are many people who flatter or write novels to please certain people to achieve their goals. Much like a microcosm of society, the forum houses factions and groups engaged in fierce competition and battles, each striving for personal victory. You should get used to everything if you want to survive here.

[Riginac111]

these liars are doing it for personal greed.

Even though liars are being doing it for personal greediness that does not mean that they make any other person to emulate them, what we should be learning in the forum is something that is meaning and something that will educate us also, maybe so people have gotten the reason some people can lie, me giving false information to fish a merit is inappropriate and it will not benefits me anything because is it's not real, maybe since forum accept any other person opinion, that means that everyone will be giving informations that lacks reasoning and can not be transparent to another

[Jawhead999]

Even though liars are being doing it for personal greediness that does not mean that they make any other person to emulate them, what we should be learning in the forum is something that is meaning and something that will educate us also, maybe so people have gotten the reason some people can lie, me giving false information to fish a merit is inappropriate and it will not benefits me anything because is it's not real, maybe since forum accept any other person opinion, that means that everyone will be giving informations that lacks reasoning and can not be transparent to another

That's what the above users already answer to your question, click ignore in the profile that you think is a liar.

What do you think those people can give you benefit? let's imagine if those story are real e.g. Bitcoin save the poor, accepting Bitcoin as a currency in their store despite their country not yet accept it, teaching people to understand and adopt Bitcoin etc.

What's the difference if those story are real or fake if we talk about the benefit you can earn?

[Adbitco]

The question to be asked are as followed;
1. How did you know they are fiction?
2. Have you tried to also formulation your own stories and you were caught?
3. Was your stories not convincisible enough?
4. Did you create any and you weren't give credits to it?
5. Did you in anyway go their various ways in community (Countries Precisely) to know if they are telling the fake story?

There where more questions i would have loved to asked you but lemme rest it all above.

The forum allows you the freedom to share your ideas as long as you respect others and do not conflict with bitcointalk rules. So unless the story is completely fictional, you are allowed to share it.

I think this completely gives the best answers to op's post..
The time spent in phising out fake post why not use those time to share his or her own stories instead of busy looking for fake stories.

[AnonBitCoiner]

many thread in Bitcoin discussion mostly newbies like me do frame a story that is not real in Bitcoin and also said a story of what they achieve in Bitcoin that is not real and present to the public to read and take as real story whereas it's a fiction,

why do you think that people sharing their story and success in bitcoin ia not real? have you know the personal life of each member whose sharing story here? you are thinking that because of your understanding and without any proof how can we say that they are sharing fake story?

I want the reason behind someone given a fiction story to the forum. I want ask a question as an old forum user, is it not prohibited when someone discussed something that is not contrary to bitcoin education in this board.

This forum is open for everyone until one not break the necessary rules, you will see many scammers also just with negative trust and still not banned for posting. I am not agree that just because of our doubt we say that someone should be prohibited. First we assume for reality and suppose if newbie are sharing false story then it is place of learning and we will try to gives our opinion on thats case.

[Lida93]

It's not possible eliminating such stories in the forum and as unpleasant as they might be to us we can assert that a host of these fiction stories breed discussions in the forum which in the process generate real life discussions from members comments as the discussion builds up.
 Without forensic we can't decide for sure that a particular story is fiction because not all those stories that may be classified as fiction might end up been cooked up stories.

Just like in the movie industry where we have fictional stories framed up to make  a movie with fascinating characters but being fiction  doesn't mean they don't send informative message same goes with some of those fictional stories created in the forum.

The important thing is to pick whatever information you can get from those fictive stories that might be of value to you, if there's nothing there for you then ignoring them would be a great option.

[Lorence.xD]

As you said especially "newbies" it's either they are telling the truth cause they might have the experience but only new in the forum and they are posting such story so they could get merits. If you are just a newbie and you've read such a positive story, of course it would have a great affect to you that could motivates you to pursue this industry but if you are an old member of the forum you could already tell the truth and the fake by just providing proofs and based on facts information. Some people also love new topics since they would have a new discussion especially the people in the signature campaign which they have to post informative interaction with people. Still the best to interact is when it is actually real.

[Zaguru12]

I want ask a question as an old forum user, is it not prohibited when someone discussed something that is not contrary to bitcoin education in this board.

I think there isn’t any prohibition against it, ideally it would have been moved to off topics but with the inclusion of the word bitcoin in this stories it is left on this board. The moderators might miss some of them because they can’t possibly be reading everything on the forum. So as someone who wants the board and the forum entirely to be clean you could just report some of these posts and the moderators will look at them and decide maybe it should moved.

Instead of formulating what is not real to write, it's better to make research of bitcoin and educate others through your research, some people make some posts without making it to be informative, some gives testimonies of their achievement with bitcoin without proven the evidence. I think we are to exchange of bitcoin knowledge and share experience's of bitcoins to each other not to give a fake information of what Bitcoin has done to you without evidence.

Other members have actually seen some of these posts as merit fishing posts and I agree with them because most newbies might have seen threads and  how in the past merit were distributed to them and as such they wish to follow same route to see if they would get there’s. Recently the lack of merit distributed to such threads has actually reduce the number of such posts which actually makes it obvious that some were certainly for fishing of merits

Also I would advice that you shouldn’t be worried about such post and if you notice that a user persists then you can ignore such member if you feel uncomfortable with there posts