Keeping or recovering seed phrases during or after a natural disaster.

[spectre71]

The biggest security is keeping your mouth shut and not becoming a target. The larger amount the bigger the target followed by the company you keep. If you have a good amount of money have multiple hardware wallet of different architecture in different places. Maybe even have a sacrificial one to be found.

I'm 52yo and have seen a lot of shady stuff go down. Best friends and family smell money (blood in the water) will screw you over in a jiffy.

Things seem great until you find out your wife is screwing your best friend you trusted with something such a seed phrase and cleans you out for a European vacations with your wife.

I guess my point is, however you do it is up to you and security risk you can tolerate. My biggest risk is losing the phrase, I don't enough money to be very interesting or would be terrible loss. I hope to have that problem someday

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[so98nn]

First of all, sorry to hear about that disaster. Yes, it could be life-taking events so at the time we can not think about anything but just to save ourselves and our loved ones. These are the times when nothing matters, neither our bank accounts, jobs, important documents in the house or secret keys in case of crypto. We would just run away from the life-threatening boundary to the safe zone.

So I think having keys stored in the private space online can be a good idea. I am talking about more secure like AWS or Google One space. Off course only a few private companies can be trusted when storing the data online. I think having a deep hidden folder in let us say iCloud, Google one or AWS servers can be a great escape.

This is the very reason big companies have two servers one the running server and the second the disaster management server. We can have one too with private subscribed spaces like the ones mentioned above to keep the data very safe.

[famososMuertos]

There are so many things in human history that have been preserved for years, in fact thousands of years and they are still there, it's not that you need a museum to take care of your things: sentimental value, art, jewelry...ah, yes, the private keys or phrases, etc.

In the distant past, based on the existing technology of each era it could be done, because it cannot be done today with so many technologies available, hardware and software provide the best way to protect things better than at any time in history, Just a little information and common sense.

There are very detailed compendiums of how you can protect a phrase or seed, that is "the fishing rod", it is up to each person to adapt it.

[Helena Yu]

Everything has a risk, saving a seed phrase has a risk of losing access to your wallet, while saving in online or centralized exchange has a risk of bankrupt or compromised, so pick which risk you able to deal with it.

the primary thing is to save the life of yourself and your family, but also of other people - because what is the best backup worth if you lose your life or the life of someone who is of inestimable value to you?

Of course saving oneself is the most important thing, but the current generations are don't care about other people even their own family, they can backstabbed someone who close with them in order to get money.

[robelneo]

I know that the security of our wallet is very important that is why it should be personal. I have heard of saving encrypted seed phrases in the cloud or online personal files. I know this is also risky but is there any means of saving my seed phrase safe from these natural disasters? That could atleast give a Bitcoiner access to a wallet after the loss of seed phrases during or after natural disasters.

It's a big concern if you only have one copy of your seed phrase, Our country has a lot of disasters, we have typhoons, floods, fires, and earthquakes and we have in our location what our experts call the Big One which happens every 100 years and it could happen anytime.

So I'm preparing for this I have three copies of my seed phrase stored on our farms and our ancestral home It is well kept and it's coded in case there is intrusion he'll have a hard time figuring it all out, having two or three secured and well-kept copies in different places is important you just never know when calamities and disaster happens.

[jrrsparkles]

• Store the second seeds in metal and keep them in a safe place in your home.

We can also consider storing them in keychain USB sticks which is not a recommended procedure but it what the best possible way to have access keys in a few seconds of the time frame. We already have USB sticks smaller than 1 inch on Amazon and also something in form of jewelry which is waterproof so we can wear it with us always so we don't even need to look for the keys at that emergency situation just focus on saving the lives first.

But this is not as secure so we can allocate some emergency savings if someone is from the geolocation where natural calamities may occur at any time and save the life savings in the most secure ways like air-gapped/cold storage.

[virasog]

It's a big concern if you only have one copy of your seed phrase, Our country has a lot of disasters, we have typhoons, floods, fires, and earthquakes and we have in our location what our experts call the Big One which happens every 100 years and it could happen anytime.

So I'm preparing for this I have three copies of my seed phrase stored on our farms and our ancestral home It is well kept and it's coded in case there is intrusion he'll have a hard time figuring it all out, having two or three secured and well-kept copies in different places is important you just never know when calamities and disaster happens.

Well dear, if there are so many natural disasters in your country, have you taken steps to safe guard your life first ? You can store your seed phrases to multiple places, but if there is no life then there is no use of all these phrases and money. I hope people give same attention to their lives as well.

Keeping seed phrases at many places may give you redundancy but at the same time, it gives more exposure to your seed phrase. For example, if you store it in bank , give it to some trustworthy person to store at another location and your home. Now if the bank gets robbed, or your relatives misuses the phrases then ?

[robelneo]

It's a big concern if you only have one copy of your seed phrase, Our country has a lot of disasters, we have typhoons, floods, fires, and earthquakes and we have in our location what our experts call the Big One which happens every 100 years and it could happen anytime.

So I'm preparing for this I have three copies of my seed phrase stored on our farms and our ancestral home It is well kept and it's coded in case there is intrusion he'll have a hard time figuring it all out, having two or three secured and well-kept copies in different places is important you just never know when calamities and disaster happens.

Well dear, if there are so many natural disasters in your country, have you taken steps to safe guard your life first ? You can store your seed phrases to multiple places, but if there is no life then there is no use of all these phrases and money. I hope people give same attention to their lives as well.

Keeping seed phrases at many places may give you redundancy but at the same time, it gives more exposure to your seed phrase. For example, if you store it in bank , give it to some trustworthy person to store at another location and your home. Now if the bank gets robbed, or your relatives misuses the phrases then ?

Of course, my dear we're talking about safeguarding seed phrase here, If it's about safeguarding our lives I have a whole day telling you what precautionary measures we are taking, I never mentioned banks here it is about places I'm good on it you have your ways and means and I have mine so we'll keep it what best for our seed phrase.

Thank you dear for asking about safeguarding our lives I hope you will too, disasters can really happen when you least expect it.

[Faisal2202]

I know that the security of our wallet is very important that is why it should be personal. I have heard of saving encrypted seed phrases in the cloud or online personal files. I know this is also risky but is there any means of saving my seed phrase safe from these natural disasters? That could atleast give a Bitcoiner access to a wallet after the loss of seed phrases during or after natural disasters.

You have started an interesting topic, and it's the humble heart of you, that you think of it as it represents in the post. Because most people like me, ignore the idea of thinking about a solution to do something about saving seed phrases in physical form. Because, we think, we are safe and nothing to be worried about now. But yeah, who knows what might come to you. Or, we don't save seed phrases in physical form instead we save them in online form or on devices, and that's why we don't care about such disasters.

The best solution that came to my mind is, that we can use AWS storage services to store the seed phrase, I know those services will cost us but, still, the security levels and durability levels are so high in there.

The most common damaging factors for your backups are water and fire because a most common type of backup is with Paper.
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You almost shared every topic related to saving the seed phrase in secure physical form but as the OP said, what if the fire got you then most of the solutions have used the metal components. Then that metal component might melt down and the overall seed phrase written on it will be gone too. We have to think of a metal that is melt-proof.

[ZAINmalik75]

The biggest security is keeping your mouth shut and not becoming a target. The larger amount the bigger the target followed by the company you keep. If you have a good amount of money have multiple hardware wallet of different architecture in different places. Maybe even have a sacrificial one to be found.

I'm 52yo and have seen a lot of shady stuff go down. Best friends and family smell money (blood in the water) will screw you over in a jiffy.

Things seem great until you find out your wife is screwing your best friend you trusted with something such a seed phrase and cleans you out for a European vacations with your wife.

I guess my point is, however you do it is up to you and security risk you can tolerate. My biggest risk is losing the phrase, I don't enough money to be very interesting or would be terrible loss. I hope to have that problem someday

I think you have taken the wrong meaning of the OP's post, he is concerned about natural disasters that could lead to the destruction of seed phrases saved in physical form. And you are talking about relationships. I understood your Point of view but that's not what we are talking about here. Because that's another discussion to talk about. And the answer to that discussion is so simple which is to never trust anybody else with your private keys or seed phrase. Just trust yourselves.

You have taken the discussion to another level, Like why did you bring up the affair of a wife with a friend who wanted to go for a trip using the money that (someone) has shared the Key with you?  That seems a little bit confusing. But, ignoring it and coming to the main query.

I can say, we should prefer to save the seed phrase in some form of necklace and or in any type of form that remains near to us, like a necklace or a band. And that band or necklace should be waterproof. Because in the fire of Hawaii, people jump into the sea to save their lives. So, if unfortunately, someone got stuck in such situation then he/she could save their life by jumping into the see.

[spectre71]

The biggest security is keeping your mouth shut and not becoming a target. The larger amount the bigger the target followed by the company you keep. If you have a good amount of money have multiple hardware wallet of different architecture in different places. Maybe even have a sacrificial one to be found.

I'm 52yo and have seen a lot of shady stuff go down. Best friends and family smell money (blood in the water) will screw you over in a jiffy.

Things seem great until you find out your wife is screwing your best friend you trusted with something such a seed phrase and cleans you out for a European vacations with your wife.

I guess my point is, however you do it is up to you and security risk you can tolerate. My biggest risk is losing the phrase, I don't enough money to be very interesting or would be terrible loss. I hope to have that problem someday

I think you have taken the wrong meaning of the OP's post, he is concerned about natural disasters that could lead to the destruction of seed phrases saved in physical form. And you are talking about relationships. I understood your Point of view but that's not what we are talking about here. Because that's another discussion to talk about. And the answer to that discussion is so simple which is to never trust anybody else with your private keys or seed phrase. Just trust yourselves.

You have taken the discussion to another level, Like why did you bring up the affair of a wife with a friend who wanted to go for a trip using the money that (someone) has shared the Key with you?  That seems a little bit confusing. But, ignoring it and coming to the main query.

I can say, we should prefer to save the seed phrase in some form of necklace and or in any type of form that remains near to us, like a necklace or a band. And that band or necklace should be waterproof. Because in the fire of Hawaii, people jump into the sea to save their lives. So, if unfortunately, someone got stuck in such situation then he/she could save their life by jumping into the see.

My point is that securing your phrase with friends and family is a huge risk, huge.  Sure keep it somewhere, but only the owner (you) knows, don't make it desirable by talking about.  Just recently a crypto mogul got dismembered, I got a feeling someone was looking for something no?  It's not just physical security but how you manage yourself. Don't make yourself a mark no matter how you choose to store your seed.

[sokani]

The solution imo is to store the seed phrases in different storages that have different survivability for different disasters, store your seed phrase in a bank that allows you to store other stuff besides money, they're a thing right?

During a natural disaster, the banks are not safe either. Flooding could have the building submerged and the notes where the seed phrase is written could be torn off, also if it is earthquake, the piece of paper may not survive it but the metallic steel plate could but still be part of the rubbles.

Another unpopular way would be using Google Drive.

Never you store your seed phrase on Google drive, a computer or phone connected to the internet.

Earthquake, tsunami, hurricane etc are really unexpected disaster, even you leave your steel plate in a safe place, there's a high chance you will not it in the same place because it's already moved to somewhere else.

To prevent this case, that's why I always bought my seed phrase wherever I go in an unexpected media e.g. concealing in a book

This is actually an unexpected reply but it makes a lot of sense. One could stuff one in his wallet and carry it everywhere he goes but the only drawback is that one could be rubbed or lost the wallet and if it gets into the hands of a crypto thief we know what will happen. I also think it would be wise to omit and memorize one or two of the words.

[satscraper]

One more option that hasn't been mentioned yet.

One could encrypt their SEED phrase and (using an OP_RETURN script) include it in their transaction  The SEED kept on blockchain is guaranteed to survive any natural disaster, no matter how severe it is.

The encryption can be done with the assistance of physical security token that can be carried at any time and any moment including the natural disaster time.

[Fatunad]

I know that the security of our wallet is very important that is why it should be personal. I have heard of saving encrypted seed phrases in the cloud or online personal files. I know this is also risky but is there any means of saving my seed phrase safe from these natural disasters? That could atleast give a Bitcoiner access to a wallet after the loss of seed phrases during or after natural disasters.

So far,i didnt luckily experience these unfortunate stuffs when it comes to natural disaster on which the fact i did have those assumptions on the time that i do stored up my keys on a flash drive which i do think about that sudden house fire which would really be completely that be burning on everything into ashes this is why i have decided on having that 3 copies on which one is kept on the house, one is kept in the car and one is kept in my own sling bag on which i do bring out most of the time. All of these things would really be at huge risks on the time that natural disaster would really happen on which it do makes you unprepared and this is why some people would really be considering on having those cloud storages or saving it up online just to remove that kind of probability even though its risky but it is really that somewhat safer when stored in the cloud
but we arent that dumb not to know on whats the cons on using up cloud storage which it would really be that prone to hackers and possible exploits on which it would really be causing out that kind of breach.

[passwordnow]

Even if you'll store it on cloud encrypted, that's still not a choice for me. The key here is to have multiple back ups, whether they're fire proof, water proof and something that you can bring wherever you are as much as handy as it is. I think in that case, a very handy accessory where you can store your keys without knowing other people that it is a seed phrase of yours. You'll have to make it look stylish that it won't be getting that much attention in the public but you know what it is and can bring it anywhere since you've got one somewhere in your house. I guess all of us have their own ways of keeping it but great that you've mentioned that ones that should be slash for one's choice.

[Z-tight]

The best solution that came to my mind is, that we can use AWS storage services to store the seed phrase, I know those services will cost us but, still, the security levels and durability levels are so high in there.

This is not a recommended solution, do not store your seed phrase on any cloud service or online, like i have said, if you store your seed in that way, the risk of it getting hacked and stolen by an attacker is higher than you being affected by an earthquake or a flood.

I can say, we should prefer to save the seed phrase in some form of necklace and or in any type of form that remains near to us, like a necklace or a band. And that band or necklace should be waterproof.

This 'solution' means you will be moving everywhere with your seed phrase, what if you get robbed and your 'necklace' is stolen, only for the thief to find out that your seed phrase was somehow written on it. Some of these solutions are not recommended and too risky, if you implement them you may lose your seed phrase and never be affected by a natural disaster.

[Ucy]

The best strategy remains that which is according to Bitcoin principles, and that is never to store values or large amount of money in one place or in centralized manner. Create duplicates and store them in locations that are less likely to experience flood-like disasters at once. You could write the seed phrase on multiple corrosion-proof metals and bury them underground in the multiple locations. If flood like disaster washes away a metal in one location other metals in other locations should remain safe. . And you can always replace the one that has been washed off immediately after the disaster.

[348Judah]

There are so many things in human history that have been preserved for years, in fact thousands of years and they are still there, it's not that you need a museum to take care of your things: sentimental value, art, jewelry...ah, yes, the private keys or phrases, etc.

That's true, we have the abundance of these things archived in history records and monuments andyet I don't know how this things were always preserved against any natural disaster, let's take for instance maybe where these things are situated are not prone to natural disasters unlike where some people lived at and can easily get encroached by any ofbthese pandemics, yet i understand that some natural disasters are very large that such could affect a whole region in a country but yet there's always a way of rediscovering of these items after the incident, this call for us having a back up as a second alternative to our private keys whenever the worst should happen.

[Faisal2202]

The best solution that came to my mind is, that we can use AWS storage services to store the seed phrase, I know those services will cost us but, still, the security levels and durability levels are so high in there.

This is not a recommended solution, do not store your seed phrase on any cloud service or online, like I have said, if you store your seed in that way, the risk of it getting hacked and stolen by an attacker is higher than you being affected by an earthquake or a flood.

You are right, the risk is higher in storing them at Online cloud services, but I am talking about AWS storage systems, they have challenged people to hack them in return of hell a lot of money and till now they have not been hacked, maybe once but the data was never gone (means not all data were hacked as it needed more time which Hackers lacks). We can follow some instructions or methods to encrypt our seed phrases and we can then store it on the Online cloud services.

By encrypting the seed phrase with our own keys, we can store it safely on AWS storage solutions, The Point I'm trying to make here is, that we can trust AWS products or Azure services, I even read on Azure's WP that, they will never share any of your information stored in there products with the governments, Until you gave them the permission. I know many people say, they will still share the information behind your back but till now, I am not able to find a single case like that.

PS: BTW what are your plans?

[KiaKia]

We are all living with risks every day, if I am living in a country with such natural disasters,  I would worry about my safety first, I would probably end up leaving that country and travel to another country for a peaceful living, but nothing is guaranteed, not all crypto investors will become rich and not all investors will even see the year 2025, everyday people are dying, we just don't know when our time will be up.

The only options left for people living g in such country that couldn't afford moving out of the country is to think more about their safety first and create backup of their crypto wallet in different manners, if not for hacks affecting online cloud storages, it would have been a perfect way in this kind of situations.

Write down your recovery seed on a piece of iron or steel, also get a hardware wallet, how you are going to keep this near you when a natural disaster is unfolding is on you to figure out.