Tim Gurner wants Unemployment to increase. Employers have lost their power.

[vv181]

It is ridiculous. It does suggest systemic and structural causes of the problem and distress are simply an employee being unproductive while being paid "a lot". What is more absurd are the answer to the problem which requires the unemployment rate to rise.

When there’s been a systematic change where employees feel the employer is extremely lucky to have them as opposed to the other way around it’s a dynamic that has to change. We’ve got to kill that attitude.

That is simply a supervillain attitude that wants to control their employer, instead of seeking the root of the problems. He wants obedience, structurally. Control and obedience.


Based on the latest news, he apologised. Nevertheless, it still may do convey what his true deepest sense. It was unemphatic, but that kind of thinking is what societies or employers' deepest problem.

“At the AFR Property Summit this week I made some remarks about unemployment and productivity in Australia that I deeply regret and were wrong,” Gurner said in a statement released on Thursday.

“There are clearly important conversations to have in this environment of high inflation, pricing pressures on housing and rentals due to a lack of supply, and other cost-of-living issues,” he added.

“My comments were deeply insensitive to employees, tradies and families across Australia who are affected by these cost-of-living pressures and job losses.”

“I want to be clear: I do appreciate that when someone loses their job it has a profound impact on them and their families and I sincerely regret that my words did not convey empathy for those in that situation.”

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Tim Gurner, the CEO of the Gurner Group, wants unemployment to increase so that people can be subservient to their employers as it used to be. He believes that since the pandemic gave way to working from home, employees now how too much power and have even go as far as s dictating the terms of employment to their employers. He feels that employers have lost their power and that the only way for them to get back their powers over their employees and show to them whose boss is if the unemployment rate increases and people have to literally beg to have their or keep their jobs.

This summary above doesn't do justice. Watch the short clip where he said this here and come back to drop your comments.

Wow, this is very great, good initiative, now that he has spoken, the world is going to be a better place and employees will become serious after what he said. When others are innovative and creative to bring the cost of a good environment for their employees, he is looking for alternative ways to sabotage the effort of people who allow us to do remote work. It doesn't make sense, we didn't call for COVID-19, it happened as caused by others mistake and we dealt with, and the alternative is still saving people to date, the majority has turned their company to virtual and is more productive and economical in cost.

He doesn't have a say when there is a high increase in labour, you can't beat it because if you want the country to develop, you will need labour and when you need labour, you will also need more employers. You can't have fewer people to have their ass work up with less pay, nobody will do that, you can't even enslave employees, there is a labour congress union watching for the rights of the workers.

[Davidvictorson]

Tim Gurner's point of view is a little hard for me to understand. advocating for higher unemployment as a way to take control? That's a pretty unusual way to make money. I've always thought that companies and workers should work together to make a better whole. Respect for each other comes first. Yes, things have changed with online work, but I think it's a bit too much to say that the employee has more power than the boss. Shouldn't we cheer for worker freedom instead of wanting a subservient environment? Still, it's interesting that these points of view keep coming up in the time after the pandemic. They make us think about how the balance of power at work is always changing

I know employers always say that there are other people willing to take up the job of their employees as soon as they are fired for incompetence or not meeting up some productivity metrics. There is already unemployment and if he or any other CEO think that their staff are not being productive enough, they can easily find another person willing to do the same work since they pay what the work is worth. Consequently, if their staff is not being productive and the CEOs aren't able to find any person to replace those workers, then it means that they simply aren't paying what his work is worth, and people will choose other better options.

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His opinion actually make sense. Some employee are demanding too much right now and that is pretty weird because there is a set of rules that you need to follow as an employee. There will be always alot more of employee compared to the employer so instead of just submitting to all these silly request and whatosoever, employer could just cut them off then hire another person that is willing to do the job right

Its pretty simple actually, if you are not happy with the terms then you leave and find another that suits you

Tim Gurner opinion make sense only to the low skilled labor. As you said, employer could just fired an employee and find another one, but this only applied in low skilled labor, because many people can do the job and the training/trial period is quick and cheap. But in high skilled labor, the demand for 'good' employee is actually higher than the supply, not everyone has the set of skill that is required, and even when the employer can find another employee they need to train them about the work-flow and some basic principle of the company, because not all company has that the same, and in high skilled-labor job, that's not cheap for the employer.

[Cryptomultiplier]

Tim Gurner, the CEO of the Gurner Group, wants unemployment to increase so that people can be subservient to their employers as it used to be. He believes that since the pandemic gave way to working from home, employees now how too much power and have even go as far as s dictating the terms of employment to their employers. He feels that employers have lost their power and that the only way for them to get back their powers over their employees and show to them whose boss is if the unemployment rate increases and people have to literally beg to have their or keep their jobs.

This summary above doesn't do justice. Watch the short clip where he said this here and come back to drop your comments.

https://twitter.com/FinancialReview/status/1701440109948887057?t=uK3d85OKPsJv9sGEVyiqAQ&s=19

It is sadly true that this is the case in almost every facet of work, because that is how even the government control the citizens.
It is true also that employment in many cases is same as slavery. All the managers and owner care about many a times is you working your ass off till overtime for the salary, without having to say a word on being treated wrongly or unfairly.

The good news is that Crypto currency trading and all its form or decentralization has made this control over ones purse or finance to not be effective. Hence the regulation that government wants to impose so as to still keep a leash on the citizens.
The rise of entrepreneurs is one stand against the modern day slavery idea of being employed in a job that doesn't care about you.
Think like a boss and be financially, independent and free.
By investment in cryptocurrency and the emerging technology of Web3 and Blockchain technology.

[Lucius]

So when these guys make millions/billions they love free market, but when the free market results in something they don't like, like the shortage of workers, then they cry like babies and want to fix it. And the hate of working from home is completely delusional, they are not even trying to hide that they treat their workers as a resource to be squeezed and discarded. So why should the workers shouldn't stand their ground, especially if they get more bargaining power? Out of sympathy for a rich guy who could only afford 1 yacht this year instead of 3?

Modern slavery and nothing more than that, because what else can you say when you see how someone treats workers' rights, or better said, considers these rights completely unnecessary. According to them, people should work, shut up and put up with everything the boss tells them, even if it means humiliating themselves to the point of renouncing their basic labor rights, such as going on a break or going to the toilet, or maybe even working without regular pay.

In my country, employers mostly treated workers in the private sector very badly while there were a lot of unemployed people, and today, when people have gone to all corners of the world, they import foreign labor that is not even half as good as the local ones. A good worker should be appreciated and paid, but this is something that some employers realize too late, perhaps only when they wonder why profits and production are falling, or when their company fails.

[xSkylarx]

It just made me laugh reading this as those employers lost their powers. Well the only reason why those employees are kind of demanding this is that they don't see the hard work that was done by employees. I've gotten too emotional here as I've experienced this. Employees are the key to company success as those people are the ones really continuing the transactions but the way employers do it is they are going to slave their employees lucky on them if those employees won't leave but most of them will. They should look at their management and know what is the problem with their company, they should know the reason behind it. Employees should feel the power and be compensated well.

[kryptqnick]

I hope this kind of stuff will get him cancelled. People finally got empowered, calling at least some of the shots about their lives. They're already working and providing profit to the employers, so yeah, I think they should have a say about their working conditions in that case.
Employers have been mistreating their employees, now they finally realize that they gotta listen to the people who work for them, and this guy wants to punish those who usually just want decent lives and decent work environments for having the audacity to want that stuff.

[DrBeer]

 Tim Gurner can WANT anything But he will have to accept and come to terms with the fact that the world has changed. And yes, COVID was some kind of trigger that changed the labor market. Not everywhere, but in many countries and heads. And what's amazing is that people realized that you can work not "man-hours in the office" but productively and remotely and even multiple jobs at the same time. And it WORKS!
And even by personal example I can say - I have a group of developers and system administrators, and after covid, and then after the terrorist attack of russia on my country - they do not work in the office, they work at home or in places where they relocated, 1 outside of Ukraine, in the EU. And no problems happened ! For people this format of work - additional non-material motivation, for me - reduction of expenses on office maintenance and providing workplaces

[bayu7adi]

So, here's how business works. Everyone wants power over something, yet they depend on each other. Companies have gained more benefits than their employees, but when a company's reputation is at stake, they feel compelled to lower the status of their employees, almost treating them like slaves, just to maintain control.

This practice indeed seems cruel, as it comes across as oppressive. Companies can play the role of job providers, and when the unemployment rate is high, their power becomes even stronger. What if the situation were reversed? Jobs are abundant, and unemployment is minimal. It seems that companies would start to appreciate their employees.

[South Park]

Tim Gurner's point of view is a little hard for me to understand. advocating for higher unemployment as a way to take control? That's a pretty unusual way to make money. I've always thought that companies and workers should work together to make a better whole. Respect for each other comes first. Yes, things have changed with online work, but I think it's a bit too much to say that the employee has more power than the boss. Shouldn't we cheer for worker freedom instead of wanting a subservient environment? Still, it's interesting that these points of view keep coming up in the time after the pandemic. They make us think about how the balance of power at work is always changing

I know employers always say that there are other people willing to take up the job of their employees as soon as they are fired for incompetence or not meeting up some productivity metrics. There is already unemployment and if he or any other CEO think that their staff are not being productive enough, they can easily find another person willing to do the same work since they pay what the work is worth. Consequently, if their staff is not being productive and the CEOs aren't able to find any person to replace those workers, then it means that they simply aren't paying what his work is worth, and people will choose other better options.

And that is precisely the problem, we are seeing that many companies are trying to force people back to the office as in that way they can keep a very tight control of their employees, and people do not want that, however even when threatened they will be fired people are simply deciding to quit instead of going back to the office, this tells us the conditions are so bad at the office people are deciding to become unemployed or to start their own business, and when the biggest threat companies have has no effect on their employees, then they should realize they no longer hold the power they had before the pandemic.

[tabas]

With the adoption of work from home setup during the height of the pandemic, this has also retrieved the freedom of many employees to be with their families while working and putting food on their tables. While it's true that many of them have been demanding because it's hard to go back to the setup that they used to be in an office setup. But this is easy, the policies of the companies should still be followed by employees. If they don't want to RTO then they're free to resign if their demands can't be provided by the company. But if they can be given that opportunity to continue working at home then it is a blessing. Anyway, it's always equal, whether WFH or office setup having a job is the true blessing. On the other hand, it's just hard to get back on the setup that they've been used to be comfortable and that's the WFH setup. With this Gurner's point of view, this is something he shouldn't wish for. The world is struggling and many have been laid offs and it's not going to stop everywhere. He should just give an opinion about employees helping their companies through returning-to-office if that's the setup he wants most employers wanna be.

[iv4n]

The first comment under the video explains everything. I guess the numbers are different, in some countries this ratio is even worse:

Inflation: 6%
Wage increases: 3.7%

"Now work harder, slaves"

And looks like the pandemic and war in Ukraine didn't stop rich people from getting richer... in the past years their profits are hitting the roofs, but we "slaves need to work harder". And we need to drive less, apparently, my car produces more pollution than Jeff Bezos's 500 million-dollar yacht.

[Woodie]

Isn't the unemployment rate already too high in most parts of the world, and besides if unemployment rates raises then this will force the skilled labour to migrate to places where they are needed forcing employers to pay more for those that remain as they will have the bargaining chip once again as skilled personnel.
Besides, Isn't this been to selfish of Tim Gurner to want so much power over employees, if he wants this them let him pay them well and he will get what he wants.

Inflation: 6%
Wage increases: 3.7%

"Now work harder, slaves"

Modern day slavery at its best...

[Plaguedeath]

And looks like the pandemic and war in Ukraine didn't stop rich people from getting richer... in the past years their profits are hitting the roofs, but we "slaves need to work harder". And we need to drive less, apparently, my car produces more pollution than Jeff Bezos's 500 million-dollar yacht.

That's the sad reality, the thing is if we want to complaint about wage increment, our boss will say our wage is already good enough and if we keep insist it, they can easily fired us and replace with other people who willing to get paid less as long as they can work.

We can't do much, the only possible thing to quit from rat race is become a freelancer that give opportunity to earn big amount of money from developed countries.

[Lucius]

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And looks like the pandemic and war in Ukraine didn't stop rich people from getting richer... in the past years their profits are hitting the roofs, but we "slaves need to work harder". And we need to drive less, apparently, my car produces more pollution than Jeff Bezos's 500 million-dollar yacht.

The rich become even richer precisely during economic crises and wars, because then they can manipulate the market even more and convince people to work more for less and that they do everything in their power to make us better off. When you already mentioned Comrade Bezos and his empire, I remember how during the pandemic he even asked for help/donations to pay his workers, the same ones who tell stories every day about what it's like to work for him.

These are the most ordinary hypocrites who will publicly call out people that they need to allocate their money better and reduce their carbon footprint, while at the same time their planes, yachts and super cars together with their companies are destroying the environment at an incredible speed - all for profit, of course.

[Sim_card]

This shows how the rich don't want the poor to be free from their oppression. How on earth if you are a good employer will you want your employee to see you as God, when both parties are helping each other. Is it that the employer is paying his employees without them carrying out their duties. Employers love taking their employees for granted just because they are the Boss, you can imagine this selfish proud brat called Tim Guner saying these word out in public, that he wants people to loss their jobs so that employees can beg for retaining their jobs so that he can come out with harsh conditions for the employee. What power does an employer want over an employee rather than to make sure that they are doin their jobs, and any one that is incompetent of the job would be replaced. Also for them to come up with fresh ideas which doesn't need you to be in the office, before you can do all these.

[dothebeats]

Tim Gurner can WANT anything But he will have to accept and come to terms with the fact that the world has changed. And yes, COVID was some kind of trigger that changed the labor market. Not everywhere, but in many countries and heads. And what's amazing is that people realized that you can work not "man-hours in the office" but productively and remotely and even multiple jobs at the same time. And it WORKS!
And even by personal example I can say - I have a group of developers and system administrators, and after covid, and then after the terrorist attack of russia on my country - they do not work in the office, they work at home or in places where they relocated, 1 outside of Ukraine, in the EU. And no problems happened ! For people this format of work - additional non-material motivation, for me - reduction of expenses on office maintenance and providing workplaces

Well, you know how people like him think. They want their employees to be loyal to them and follow all of their demands without raising any questions but they fail to be considerate employers. While it is true that there are instances that some employees are requesting for too much, employers like Tim Gurner have the power of the company policy in his back that he can use to discussed and argue with these employee rather than dictating such a statement that is beyond ridiculous.

[Spaceman1000$]

Tim Gurner, the CEO of the Gurner Group, wants unemployment to increase so that people can be subservient to their employers as it used to be. He believes that since the pandemic gave way to working from home, employees now how too much power and have even go as far as s dictating the terms of employment to their employers. He feels that employers have lost their power and that the only way for them to get back their powers over their employees and show to them whose boss is if the unemployment rate increases and people have to literally beg to have their or keep their jobs.

This summary above doesn't do justice. Watch the short clip where he said this here and come back to drop your comments.

https://twitter.com/FinancialReview/status/1701440109948887057?t=uK3d85OKPsJv9sGEVyiqAQ&s=19

The working environment of organisations is evolving over time, the CEO should come to terms with the reality of what is on ground as employees have a better negotiating powers now. Even if this particular suggestion of his comes into fruition, employees will still want to migrate to another company hence the working environment of their present company is toxic.

The CEO's suggestions, even if it's implemented, it will send a negative feedback to the labour market, what if an employee is in a company that has a toxic environment, that employee shouldn't resign or seek for better options somewhere else because there is scarcity of jobs, That's a no no for me. That's more like infringing into people's lives or  wanting to strangulate the workforce.

Instead of making it look as if, it has been the fault of employees to seek for better options, the CEO should come up with better options to favour both the workforce and the employers of labour.

[Synchronice]

Tim Gurner, the CEO of the Gurner Group, wants unemployment to increase so that people can be subservient to their employers as it used to be. He believes that since the pandemic gave way to working from home, employees now how too much power and have even go as far as s dictating the terms of employment to their employers. He feels that employers have lost their power and that the only way for them to get back their powers over their employees and show to them whose boss is if the unemployment rate increases and people have to literally beg to have their or keep their jobs.

This summary above doesn't do justice. Watch the short clip where he said this here and come back to drop your comments.

https://twitter.com/FinancialReview/status/1701440109948887057?t=uK3d85OKPsJv9sGEVyiqAQ&s=19

This man lives too comfortable life. I think it will be okay if we require by law to force top management to do once every 2 weeks what typical employees do, then they'll understand whether their workers work less or are overworked.

Governments will not hurt rich people even if they make such calls as what happened here, which again proves money controls everything and the decentralized monetary system such as Bitcoin paves the way for an escape from it.

Bitcoin was escape but it's not an escape anymore, I guess. It's taken over by rich people again, who owns mining farms? Rich people, you can't mine anymore at home because it's unprofitable unless you have a free energy. Who owns centralized exchanges? Rich people. I hope DEXs will get popular. What's ETH going to do? ETH is going to increase the validator stake from 32 to 2048.

In my country, employers mostly treated workers in the private sector very badly while there were a lot of unemployed people, and today, when people have gone to all corners of the world, they import foreign labor that is not even half as good as the local ones. A good worker should be appreciated and paid, but this is something that some employers realize too late, perhaps only when they wonder why profits and production are falling, or when their company fails.

They do that because that's what they learn and hear from people around them or that's what they experienced at past and now want to get pleasure of being on top of things and look at their employees like slaves because once he/she was like that. Employers don't understand that employees well-being increases employer's well-being but they think that they well-being can only be improved if employee's well-being is pressured down.