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September 17, 2023, 12:07:06 PM
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That means he has to recruit workers who really want to follow his wishes and they are not allowed to have the desire to make the company more advanced.
This means the company may not get creative ideas from its workers, especially in the marketing department, because they must obey their owners.
It would be a setback for all companies if many companies thought like that.
If he wants unemployment to increase, he must be able to destroy many companies or make large companies go bankrupt so that workers can no longer work and become unemployed.
But I doubt this can happen because we are now in modern times, where internet technology has developed a lot and unemployed workers can look for work via the internet.
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September 17, 2023, 12:23:16 PM
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Well, people like Tim Gurner should be brought back to earth in a hard way.... because his attitude towards human beings suck. Your employees are not supposed to be subservient slaves, like they were in 3500 BC.... because we as humans evolved... and we now appreciate the people that put bread on your table.  Roll Eyes

I hate arrogant rich pricks like him, because they think money make them special... and that their money allow them to handle other people like second grade humans.  Angry

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Tim Gurner, the CEO of the Gurner Group, wants unemployment to increase so that people can be subservient to their employers as it used to be. He believes that since the pandemic gave way to working from home, employees now how too much power and have even go as far as s dictating the terms of employment to their employers. He feels that employers have lost their power and that the only way for them to get back their powers over their employees and show to them whose boss is if the unemployment rate increases and people have to literally beg to have their or keep their jobs.

This summary above doesn't do justice. Watch the short clip where he said this here and come back to drop your comments.

https://twitter.com/FinancialReview/status/1701440109948887057?t=uK3d85OKPsJv9sGEVyiqAQ&s=19

It's absurd that people can have such a mentality. These kinds of peeps will not hesitate to okay slave trade if the issue ever came up! Even if they are employees, I feel they should have a right to draw the line when these bosses are trying to overstep. This is a first class selfish opinion of you ask me.
He feels employees are earning a lot for little? Gimme a break! I think this guy just has some entitlement issues and this comment self serving he is. Even though his comment has received a lot of backlash from unions and workers and even politicians alike, I doubt he'd feel sorry about it, even if he were to apologize for his insensitivity, it'd be so the media would have more fodder for gossip and nothing else. His kinds just see others as minions who are there to do his bidding and
for him make such comments in the wake of people losing their jobs and the cost of living in Australia is quite high just goes to show how much of a narrow thinker he is.
 Stats show that the unemployment rate in Australia for the month of August is 3.7% and yet someone is out there wishing for more unemployment just so the jobless can learn a "lesson '. I mean what other lesson can someone without a job and tons of bills to pay learn?

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September 17, 2023, 05:51:28 PM
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Governments will not hurt rich people even if they make such calls as what happened here, which again proves money controls everything and the decentralized monetary system such as Bitcoin paves the way for an escape from it.
Bitcoin was escape but it's not an escape anymore, I guess. It's taken over by rich people again, who owns mining farms? Rich people, you can't mine anymore at home because it's unprofitable unless you have a free energy. Who owns centralized exchanges? Rich people. I hope DEXs will get popular. What's ETH going to do? ETH is going to increase the validator stake from 32 to 2048.

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September 17, 2023, 06:12:57 PM
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Tim Gurner, the CEO of the Gurner Group, wants unemployment to increase so that people can be subservient to their employers as it used to be. He believes that since the pandemic gave way to working from home, employees now how too much power and have even go as far as s dictating the terms of employment to their employers. He feels that employers have lost their power and that the only way for them to get back their powers over their employees and show to them whose boss is if the unemployment rate increases and people have to literally beg to have their or keep their jobs.

This summary above doesn't do justice. Watch the short clip where he said this here and come back to drop your comments.

https://twitter.com/FinancialReview/status/1701440109948887057?t=uK3d85OKPsJv9sGEVyiqAQ&s=19


Does he want to return to the age of slavery? What exactly does he mean when he says these? There is nothing more natural than an employee demanding his rights and wanting to work in a better environment. These words may be true if the employee does not do what is required or requests things that he should not ask for, but it is not right to generalize them.

Isn't it ridiculous that rich people think they should have a say in everything? I looked at his statement and I can't take someone seriously who says something like "less arrogance in the employment market".
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September 17, 2023, 06:46:15 PM
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To be fair the situation is not like this in my nation, so I wouldn't know. There is still unemployment and majority of the workers end up working for minimum wage as well. I do not know the official number but I know that it is well beyond %20+ that earns minimum wage here, which is rare in most other nations. The problem of a nation starts when one boss says "we need more desperate workers", think about it, that is what he says. Saying you want unemployment higher so that people would accept your offer since they are forced to, otherwise they will starve, means that you want workers who are working for you because they have to. I rather have employees that work for me because they prefer working for my company than the competition, maybe that would make it better? He should start thinking about that.

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Man is here blaming covid for his employees not working hard when it's probably his fault (and their shareholders) for having bad contracts and salaries (probably). I can't even not blame him since the cost of living is rapidly rising and yet this man probably thinks that he should still offer the same thing that he always has for his workers, or maybe even worse. Who would want to stay then? or at least not try to renegotiate?

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Does he want to return to the age of slavery? What exactly does he mean when he says these? There is nothing more natural than an employee demanding his rights and wanting to work in a better environment. These words may be true if the employee does not do what is required or requests things that he should not ask for, but it is not right to generalize them.

Isn't it ridiculous that rich people think they should have a say in everything? I looked at his statement and I can't take someone seriously who says something like "less arrogance in the employment market".
Cheap labor in a nutshell. Man was too used to having his way in dictating what his workers can and can't take or accept so I guess being introduced to reality kind of hit him too hard when it did. I'm just surprised it took covid before it actually did to him (or maybe he just outright ignored it beforehand).

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September 17, 2023, 10:37:45 PM
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Not only Tim Gurner, also many country administrations and central bank members want the unemployment rate to increase within the scope of the fight against inflation. This is due to the expectation that if there are more unemployed people, individuals will be forced to restrict their spending and consumption, will decrease making a positive contribution to inflation. Unfortunately, today's economic conditions have reached a full crisis threshold and for this reason many people are losing their jobs every day. Individuals who haven't yet lost their jobs are now left under a workload that exceeds their job description and perform as much as possible due to the fear of losing their job.

Unfortunately, the increase in unemployment rates and the fear of individuals losing their jobs will not end unless the fight against inflation is fully taken under control and many country governments stop increasing the unemployment rate in order to combat inflation.
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Well, this is Tim Gurner's opinion and everyone is entitled to theirs even if it's so dumb, selfish and foolish like this guy just spat out now. I wish the reverse is the case where he's the employee, maybe he will wish for such again.

Nothing has a monopoly forever, and the market will always drag itself between more jobs and fewer jobs in a sane economy. Everyone is free to jump from one to the other during surplus and even upgrade their terms as either employee or employer dominates in the workforce.
That's just stupid. Imagine if you said this shit when news broke out from 2014-15 about the Nestle CEO saying "water shouldn't be free and everyone should not have inclusive access to potable water", you'd probably feel stupid about it. Everybody's entitled to their own opinion sure, but if it's wrong you better face the consequences especially if you're too proud about it too like this mf Tim Gurney. The market will steer towards whatever will profit the richest the most, it's not about the welfare of the common people anymore. We're just glad that for once at least the common folk and the rest of the planet's richest are in agreement with how beneficial WFH is. Soon as the narrative changes just see how disgusting things could be again.

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The fed also wants the unemployment to increase because it’s one of the main causes of inflation. When you got labor shortages you need to pay your workers more. But if you are forced to pay your workers more you need to increase your prices. Hence why inflation goes up.

Another issue is productivity. The workers productivity is lower and hence why it takes longer to do certain jobs. With labor shortages the employers can’t do much. They can’t fire the person because they work slow becuase they will get nothing done.

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He is the kind of boss that no one wants to work under, and that is what is making him say this. The thing is, employees, haven't got thousands of opportunities, but it's just that there is more awareness in the market now, and employees have started realizing that the bosses can't really overburden them for their own benefit and since these big people want power and control and talk about rules, they are basically the ones who don't follow the rules in the first place.

I would never like to work under a person who puts me under pressure and gives me a lot of extra work just because he pays me a salary, and if I raise my voice for myself and demand a change or I'll resign, the boss starts talking shit like this person who is crying like a baby that he and some other useless people are losing control of their employees that they treat like trash.

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At present if the nation is ahead of the curve it is never possible to increase unemployment an employee wants his freedom in work and the boss should not impose everything according to his wishes. If he wants to improve his company he must treat the employees well many new jobs have been created unemployment is inevitable because the economy is always changing. Some organizations are shrinking while others are expanding. Some regions are experiencing faster growth than others migration of workers within firms and between regions is accompanied by temporary unemployment. The workers are now very aware and when the owners put pressure on them they create new ideas to stay ahead of the competition.

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September 18, 2023, 07:09:58 AM
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Well, people like Tim Gurner should be brought back to earth in a hard way.... because his attitude towards human beings suck. Your employees are not supposed to be subservient slaves, like they were in 3500 BC.... because we as humans evolved... and we now appreciate the people that put bread on your table.  Roll Eyes

I hate arrogant rich pricks like him, because they think money make them special... and that their money allow them to handle other people like second grade humans.  Angry

It is completely absurd for the person who made the statement to say that he is very demanding for workers when the rich 1 percent own half of the world's wealth. I don't understand how he can make this statement so easily. Salaried people in the world, workers are not demanding despite everything.
Except for a minority group, the number of people seeking their rights is very small and as a result, such arrogant statements can be made. All they do is work, work and work to increase the wealth of the 1%. In order to meet the demands of people with this mindset, you have to starve to death. The fact that these statements are even being made is entirely due to our own incompetence. It's time to speak out.

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September 18, 2023, 07:10:59 AM
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Well, this is Tim Gurner's opinion and everyone is entitled to theirs even if it's so dumb, selfish and foolish like this guy just spat out now. I wish the reverse is the case where he's the employee, maybe he will wish for such again.

Nothing has a monopoly forever, and the market will always drag itself between more jobs and fewer jobs in a sane economy. Everyone is free to jump from one to the other during surplus and even upgrade their terms as either employee or employer dominates in the workforce.
That's just stupid. Imagine if you said this shit when news broke out from 2014-15 about the Nestle CEO saying "water shouldn't be free and everyone should not have inclusive access to potable water", you'd probably feel stupid about it.
This is a big display of idiocy and a show that you lack moral decadence, decent culture and home training. I wonder how what I posted caused all the unguarded vulgar words you used, it's a very show of shame on your part and speaks so loudly about who you are.

Stop being sentimental, and whether you like it or not, the market will continue to play the economics of demand and supply between employees and employers just as I iterated before, and none of them will have permanent dominance in a sane economy depending on the economical condition in play.



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Tim Gurner is a capitalist. He is one of the people who should be used to cite example of how bad capitalism is. Imagine if there were no labor unions, this man would literally work his employees to death because he wants them to bring him money.

This is exactly how those financial elites think, all they dream and scheme about is how to increase the desperation level of the workers. They make their employees suffer to exist in a multi-trillion dollar economy.

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Here in our country, the percentage of unemployed people is very high. And when it comes to the salaries of the employees here, even the minimum wage is still not enough for every family if it only depends on the salary of one employee. Unlike other countries where wages are high compared to this.

That's why many of my compatriots here work in other countries because the wages are higher, but even so, I noticed that unemployment is also a problem in many countries. But sometimes there are other employees in a company who are also demanding, but I don't think everyone is like that.

Also, even if every country's government wants to resolve the unemployment status in their territory, they are not able to provide a 100% solution.

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Here in our country, the percentage of unemployed people is very high. And when it comes to the salaries of the employees here, even the minimum wage is still not enough for every family if it only depends on the salary of one employee. Unlike other countries where wages are high compared to this.

That's why many of my compatriots here work in other countries because the wages are higher, but even so, I noticed that unemployment is also a problem in many countries. But sometimes there are other employees in a company who are also demanding, but I don't think everyone is like that.

Also, even if every country's government wants to resolve the unemployment status in their territory, they are not able to provide a 100% solution.
I relate to you. In the country I live in unemployment is a severely loud problem. Adding the pressure of food and products' price hike does not help the situation of the people. Hence, I cannot blame employees who prefers to work remotely in order to have a side job or manage a small business at home while working to earn more in order to gain enough income for their daily needs. A work from home setup has opened an opportunity for a lot of employees to find more channels of income that helps them manage their expenses. However, this of course does not give them an excuse not to follow their company's policies. Hence, if it is Tim Gurner's problem that his employees are not following his orders as an employer then it is best to use the authority of the company policy rather than making such bold and obnoxious statement that unemployment should increase.

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September 18, 2023, 09:19:24 AM
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I am confident that he has received enough obscene insults and curses, so I will not say more. This man is an example of a tyrannical authoritarian who wishes for the return of the eras of slavery that humanity got rid of after great suffering and sacrifices.

Such tyrannical aristocrats do not feel the extent of the need for people to work, especially via the Internet, to secure their monthly expenses. They smell of tyrannical power and hatred, and they hate Bitcoin and even the Internet, which has given people the opportunity to work from home and earn more.

I think he needs a lesson in politics before economics, because politicians in every country brag to voters that they are seeking to eliminate unemployment, and this idiot is spouting this nonsense about the necessity of increasing unemployment.

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Looks like guy is not aware how middle class exists. When employed people have important rights, proper housing and healthy foods they will never stop working at all cause there will always be enough encouraging. When you force people to die even if they work, they will need jobs that's sure BUT working quality will drastically go down. In the end for functional society we need better rights for workers! Otherwise people could radicalize! Rich should understand this.
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September 18, 2023, 10:00:22 AM
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His opinion actually make sense. Some employee are demanding too much right now and that is pretty weird because there is a set of rules that you need to follow as an employee. There will be always alot more of employee compared to the employer so instead of just submitting to all these silly request and whatosoever, employer could just cut them off then hire another person that is willing to do the job right

Its pretty simple actually, if you are not happy with the terms then you leave and find another that suits you

Tim Gurner opinion make sense only to the low skilled labor. As you said, employer could just fired an employee and find another one, but this only applied in low skilled labor, because many people can do the job and the training/trial period is quick and cheap. But in high skilled labor, the demand for 'good' employee is actually higher than the supply, not everyone has the set of skill that is required, and even when the employer can find another employee they need to train them about the work-flow and some basic principle of the company, because not all company has that the same, and in high skilled-labor job, that's not cheap for the employer.
More reasons low skilled employees should advance their skills to a competitive standard, such that they won't run short of work. Greedy employers don't care about their employees, and interpret the employee's request as too demanding. As if the employee invest the fund and time somewhere else other than the same company. If an employer removes a skilled worker from the number of staff in the company. He'll be affected in no distant time, as he may not get a replica of that skilled person, he removed. But the skilled person, will easily find a better paying and conducive job that values his help and intelligence. Hence, if a person is well skilled in his field, unemployment rate shouldn't frighten them. For instance, a professional sales person, who generate or earns high income, when he losses his job, finding a unique company will be simple. So, employees should endeavor to learn and be vast in their field of practice. Because employers don't care anymore once they get the result, they wished to see. Once the employer's goes is achieved, paying of salaries will be difficult, which delays the financial growth of the employees. Moreover it's important to work ahead of the current situation in our work place, create new stream of incomes. Provide people what they want. If not, get ready to be a modernized slave to the boss.

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