How to keep safe the mnemonic phrase - Whats Your method?

[Minecache]

I don't want to make things difficult for myself, I save my seeds in 1 flash disk and 1 special book because I'm the type of person who is forgetful so I think a flash disk in a book is the right place to store my seeds.

I don't trust flash drives, hard drives, or any external storage device of that nature because they can get damaged and the files inside will corrupt, including your seed phrase and other valuable documents you saved in there, but saving in a flash will be a bit better than leaving it online in an email or so because anything connected to the internet is very risky and can easily get hacked.

Writing your seed phrase down in a special book is more secure and preferable than using an external flash drive because it will be there and will not corrupt, but if someone has access to it, your coin is gone, because unlike flash drives, you cannot put a password in a book unless you use some encrypted words that only you can interpret, and you can also duplicate the papers because of natural disasters like fire outbreaks, water, and so on.

If you write the seed phrase in a special book and are afraid other people can access it, you can use tricks like changing 1 or 2 positions of the words. That way, even if someone steals your phrase, they can't access your wallet. (You just need to change the position of the two words, no need to change too much to confuse yourself).

Also, I think we should have a better storage device than paper because paper is very perishable, as you said. Small sized steel plates as mentioned by Crypt0Gore are a better solution than paper.

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[UchihaSarada]

If you write the seed phrase in a special book and are afraid other people can access it, you can use tricks like changing 1 or 2 positions of the words. That way, even if someone steals your phrase, they can't access your wallet. (You just need to change the position of the two words, no need to change too much to confuse yourself).

Backup your wallet seed as most simplest as possible but make sure you store your backup safely and avoid eyes of other people.

Don't try to trick others and consequently trap yourself with a risky backup method. Changing positions of 1, 2 or 3 words in your wallet seed is a terrible idea. You will need to remember it, need to have a note for these positions but if you lose those position order by a memory loss, note loss, you will need luckiness to recover your wallet seed.

How to back up a seed phrase

[jaberwock]

There are different ways your mnemonic seed phrase can be kept. You can see these ones to know more how to secure your seed phrase even in the time of fire outbreak, earthquake, hurricane, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5404433.0, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5389446.0 you can read those threads to see the ways seed phrase is secured.

When you have like a flood coming into your area then stainless steel means nothing at all. This is exactly why I always supported the idea of hiding it somewhere else, like a far far away place. That's usually not that simple for many people but I do have relatives living in other cities so I just put a piece of paper in their library, and have it in 4 different places today, and they are all old so they wouldn't have remotely any idea what they could do with it neither, so it is not really an issue.

I believe that we are going to end up with something that would be good or not, it is going to end up with being something that would be a little bit tougher on the end and should not be something that could be risky.

[Hyphen(-)]

If you write the seed phrase in a special book and are afraid other people can access it, you can use tricks like changing 1 or 2 positions of the words. That way, even if someone steals your phrase, they can't access your wallet. (You just need to change the position of the two words, no need to change too much to confuse yourself).

Yes, exactly. Duplicating the papers is also advisable so that when you lose one, you will have one as an alternative, and also using some words to trick it in such a way that you will be the only one to interpret it and to avoid stealing your coins, or just as you said, you should interchange the words in a way you can only understand.

Also, I think we should have a better storage device than paper because paper is very perishable, as you said. Small sized steel plates as mentioned by Crypt0Gore are a better solution than paper.

Using washers to save your seed phrase is also good, but it is a bit expensive. The full details and explanation were done by Fillippone in this thread. I think it is secure and more easier to handle than paper, but the process is expensive.

[CryptoHeadlineNews]

->Writing and keeping it with you/your place: What if someone got the access in your absence of theft or any disaster?

-> Obviously keep it online in email of any other way is risking your funds.

What your way?

Writing down our seed phrase on a piece of paper is actually the primary method I'm sure all newbie must have been thought when they got into Bitcoin newly. So in regards to the question you just ask, I will love to say that the best way to keep our seed phrase safe is by writing it in either ascending order or descending order (i.e in whichever way you may want to) without any incryption such as;
1. My Trust Wallet Seed Phrase
2. Electrum Seed Phrase
3. Ledger Nano X Private key, e.t.c,
Because one big mistake many people make is writing down the name of the wallet that the seed phrase becomes to, and as such making it very easy for anybody to have access to your fund automatically. But if we can write just only the 11 Seed phrase without a clue which wallet it becomes to, it will be very hard for anyone to have access to it very quickly.

[darkangel11]

Using washers to save your seed phrase is also good, but it is a bit expensive. The full details and explanation were done by Fillippone in this thread. I think it is secure and more easier to handle than paper, but the process is expensive.

There are ready made kits for that where you use a titanium plate instead of washers. Check out Stamp Seed. The whole set costs $120 which is less than a hardware wallet.
It's not really an expensive option for people who own bitcoin. Truth is, if you have a few thousand dollars in bitcoin you don't need any fancy backups. Just remember the password to your wallet and backup the whole file. If someone steals it they still won't be able to access your money and the password remains safe in your head.

[fillippone]

If you write the seed phrase in a special book and are afraid other people can access it, you can use tricks like changing 1 or 2 positions of the words.

"What was it? Changing 3rd and 4th or it was 4th an 5th? "
"Oh no, both are invalid!"
"Maybe it was the 7th and 9th word!? No, empty wallet as well"
"Yeah, now I do remember! I decided to change one word with the preceding one! Or was it changing the second word with a word 2 down in the list? Was it 2 up?

TL,DR: Don't be your worst enemy. KISS principle is the way.

[MusaMohamed]

"What was it? Changing 3rd and 4th or it was 4th an 5th? "
"Oh no, both are invalid!"
"Maybe it was the 7th and 9th word!? No, empty wallet as well"
"Yeah, now I do remember! I decided to change one word with the preceding one! Or was it changing the second word with a word 2 down in the list? Was it 2 up?

TL,DR: Don't be your worst enemy. KISS principle is the way.

Stay simple and stay safe.

Bitcoin Q&A: Why is Seed Splitting a Bad Idea?

Splitting seed words or trying to encode it in creative ways will make recovery process more complicated and more risky to fail. Because after one or two additional encoding chains in the process, if you need to recover your wallet from encoded backups, you will have to decrypt it.

Many risks will cause the decrypting process fails that will make the wallet recovery process becomes a nightmare and failure is unavoidable.

[justdimin]

If you write the seed phrase in a special book and are afraid other people can access it, you can use tricks like changing 1 or 2 positions of the words. That way, even if someone steals your phrase, they can't access your wallet. (You just need to change the position of the two words, no need to change too much to confuse yourself).

Backup your wallet seed as most simplest as possible but make sure you store your backup safely and avoid eyes of other people.

Don't try to trick others and consequently trap yourself with a risky backup method. Changing positions of 1, 2 or 3 words in your wallet seed is a terrible idea. You will need to remember it, need to have a note for these positions but if you lose those position order by a memory loss, note loss, you will need luckiness to recover your wallet seed.

How to back up a seed phrase

Yeah, you can care about it on the long term and if you are careful about it then you are going to end up with something much better. Simple stuff like writing it down to your notebook would be simple but effective for many cases.

People talk about things like "what if there is a big fire, what if there is an earthquake" and so forth, well if you want it so much then put it on an exchange and as long as you memorize the mail and password you use, you can login from anywhere in the world, of course have access to your mail as well. But if you want more security, then ignore the one in a million chance of fire burning down all of your house, and just go write it down to your notebook and be fine.

[Japinat]

I keep my keys in an easy and common way - I just write them down in a notebook and keep them together with the other things just to make sure that nobody will find them special.

Making it more complicated will possibly be the reason why we lose it totally. In fact, whatever we did, still we can't assure 100% safety assurance. Remembering that we are doing this online, we are definitely prone to hacking incidents. In fact, many people have lost their funds not only because someone knows their keys but because they voluntarily give them to scammers.

[Minecache]

If you write the seed phrase in a special book and are afraid other people can access it, you can use tricks like changing 1 or 2 positions of the words. That way, even if someone steals your phrase, they can't access your wallet. (You just need to change the position of the two words, no need to change too much to confuse yourself).

Backup your wallet seed as most simplest as possible but make sure you store your backup safely and avoid eyes of other people.

Don't try to trick others and consequently trap yourself with a risky backup method. Changing positions of 1, 2 or 3 words in your wallet seed is a terrible idea. You will need to remember it, need to have a note for these positions but if you lose those position order by a memory loss, note loss, you will need luckiness to recover your wallet seed.

How to back up a seed phrase

Yeah, you can care about it on the long term and if you are careful about it then you are going to end up with something much better. Simple stuff like writing it down to your notebook would be simple but effective for many cases.

People talk about things like "what if there is a big fire, what if there is an earthquake" and so forth, well if you want it so much then put it on an exchange and as long as you memorize the mail and password you use, you can login from anywhere in the world, of course have access to your mail as well. But if you want more security, then ignore the one in a million chance of fire burning down all of your house, and just go write it down to your notebook and be fine.

You're right, everything has pros and cons, nothing is absolutely safe. If we keep making thousands of hypotheses and thousands of reasons, we will never find the final solution for ourselves. Maybe one person's method is not suitable for another, but as long as it brings them safety, there is no reason for them to change or imitate others. My method may have risks that others consider inappropriate but for me it's been fine so far. And there is no guarantee that if we follow their method, our seed phrase will remain safe.

[cheezcarls]

When I usually traveling and gone for at least a few to several days, I had to be sure that my wallets and seed phrases are safe at any cost. Although I can choose to remain them written on a piece of paper or notebook, I would rather engrave it in an aluminum metal later on if I have the time to doing so.

Risks like attempted theft, flood, fire, etc., is something that we cannot avoid these days. It’s way out of our control and may come anytime without warning. Better be sure to think outside of the box to keep these phrases safe from these thieves and future calamities along the way.

Like what Captain America said and I quote “Whatever it takes”.

[m2017]

I don't want to make things difficult for myself, I save my seeds in 1 flash disk and 1 special book because I'm the type of person who is forgetful so I think a flash disk in a book is the right place to store my seeds.

I don't trust flash drives, hard drives, or any external storage device of that nature because they can get damaged and the files inside will corrupt, including your seed phrase and other valuable documents you saved in there, but saving in a flash will be a bit better than leaving it online in an email or so because anything connected to the internet is very risky and can easily get hacked.

Writing your seed phrase down in a special book is more secure and preferable than using an external flash drive because it will be there and will not corrupt, but if someone has access to it, your coin is gone, because unlike flash drives, you cannot put a password in a book unless you use some encrypted words that only you can interpret, and you can also duplicate the papers because of natural disasters like fire outbreaks, water, and so on.

If you write the seed phrase in a special book and are afraid other people can access it, you can use tricks like changing 1 or 2 positions of the words. That way, even if someone steals your phrase, they can't access your wallet. (You just need to change the position of the two words, no need to change too much to confuse yourself).

Also, I think we should have a better storage device than paper because paper is very perishable, as you said. Small sized steel plates as mentioned by Crypt0Gore are a better solution than paper.

Maybe if you have a risk that the seed phrase written on a special book might be stolen, then you should lead ill-wishers down the wrong path? Create a fake phrase and leave it where thieves can easily see or find it.

I would not store the real seed phrase where it could be easily found by people, outsiders and strangers alike. I mean, there is no need to keep seed phrase on the coffee table or under the computer mouse pad.

Regarding changing the position of some words in a phrase, the main thing is not to forget where and how the phrases will be replaced. Therefore, it is better to leave some keys for yourself so that you can decipher this trick. Memory is not a permanent thing and can distort data. It's foolish to rely on that only when your savings are at stake.

The choice of paper or metal as a method of storing phrases has already been discussed many times. Anyone can carve a seed phrase even on wood or plastic, this is an individual choice and risks.

[Minecache]

I don't want to make things difficult for myself, I save my seeds in 1 flash disk and 1 special book because I'm the type of person who is forgetful so I think a flash disk in a book is the right place to store my seeds.

I don't trust flash drives, hard drives, or any external storage device of that nature because they can get damaged and the files inside will corrupt, including your seed phrase and other valuable documents you saved in there, but saving in a flash will be a bit better than leaving it online in an email or so because anything connected to the internet is very risky and can easily get hacked.

Writing your seed phrase down in a special book is more secure and preferable than using an external flash drive because it will be there and will not corrupt, but if someone has access to it, your coin is gone, because unlike flash drives, you cannot put a password in a book unless you use some encrypted words that only you can interpret, and you can also duplicate the papers because of natural disasters like fire outbreaks, water, and so on.

If you write the seed phrase in a special book and are afraid other people can access it, you can use tricks like changing 1 or 2 positions of the words. That way, even if someone steals your phrase, they can't access your wallet. (You just need to change the position of the two words, no need to change too much to confuse yourself).

Also, I think we should have a better storage device than paper because paper is very perishable, as you said. Small sized steel plates as mentioned by Crypt0Gore are a better solution than paper.

Maybe if you have a risk that the seed phrase written on a special book might be stolen, then you should lead ill-wishers down the wrong path? Create a fake phrase and leave it where thieves can easily see or find it.

I would not store the real seed phrase where it could be easily found by people, outsiders and strangers alike. I mean, there is no need to keep seed phrase on the coffee table or under the computer mouse pad.

You're right, maybe I was too nervous thinking that someone might find my seed phrase while I had it stored in what I thought was the safest place. So changing the position of some words is redundant and will cause more trouble for me than for the thief.

Regarding changing the position of some words in a phrase, the main thing is not to forget where and how the phrases will be replaced. Therefore, it is better to leave some keys for yourself so that you can decipher this trick. Memory is not a permanent thing and can distort data. It's foolish to rely on that only when your savings are at stake.

The choice of paper or metal as a method of storing phrases has already been discussed many times. Anyone can carve a seed phrase even on wood or plastic, this is an individual choice and risks.

I remember there was a thread about memorizing the seed phrase by reading it every day instead of storing it by other methods, and I was a strong opponent of that idea. So when I change the position of those words, of course, I have my own tricks to suggest, I don't completely rely on my memory to do it. If I just rely on my memory, it's no different than memorizing the seed phrase. But I will reconsider my method because you are right, I kept it in a safe place where no one can find it but me.

[angrybirdy]

My way of keeping my mnemonic phrase is I created an excel file on my google sheets, you can find it on your gmail. Aside from that, I also created a copy of it on my computer notepad that was saved on my drive. I also saved on my notebook, all important information and passwords are in there. I always do that incase I lost one of my saved documents. I experienced losing it before, so I learned from it and I feel secured on that way.

[NotATether]

Because one big mistake many people make is writing down the name of the wallet that the seed phrase becomes to, and as such making it very easy for anybody to have access to your fund automatically. But if we can write just only the 11 Seed phrase without a clue which wallet it becomes to, it will be very hard for anyone to have access to it very quickly.

If the name of the wallet is just some gibberish then that information is not going to be helpful to anybody without having access to the device. Besides, it's most likely the case that the person has only one wallet on their computer anyway, so anybody searching the wallet folders on the device will only find just the one wallet.

[OcTradism]

Because one big mistake many people make is writing down the name of the wallet that the seed phrase becomes to, and as such making it very easy for anybody to have access to your fund automatically. But if we can write just only the 11 Seed phrase without a clue which wallet it becomes to, it will be very hard for anyone to have access to it very quickly.

If you know what wallet you use for wallet creation, you don't need to write it down. Because backups are for recovery when your memory can not serve you, then writing down a wallet software name is good practice.

Like me, I don't use any other wallet than Electrum wallet, I don't need to write it down. If you use many wallet softwares, it will be a mandatory part of your backup but if you are careful, you can save it at a different place than wallet seed.

With wallet seed, you can figure out what wallet software use to create it, but if you lose wallet seed, you lose your coin.

Wallet software name is like your wallet password, lose it, you will have another way. It is less important than your wallet seed or private key.

[tygeade]

What is this backup passphrase? Is it another pass phrase that can be used to unlock the original mnemonic seed phrase for your wallets? If not, what does it serves as in wallet security?

A passphrase is an extra layer of security for your wallet, it is an extra 'word' added to your seed phrase which creates another wallet and keys for you, take note that your passphrase does not have to be a 'word', you can use and add whatever you want, even characters to make it stronger and hard to brute force. So whenever you use your seed phrase without adding that passphrase you get the base wallet, but when you use your seed phrase + passphrase you get your second wallet, this set up is great for plausible deniability.

So with a passphrase set, if an attacker compromises your seed phrase, they will still need the passphrase to access your funds. Take note that if you use a seed phrase + passphrase set up, you will have more backups and you have to keep them in separate locations to avoid the possibility of a single point of failure.

It's also very important not to lose it as well. Most people focus way too much on the security side of things but then they forget about the issues that they have on their hands, which is remembering it, you will probably not remember it or even if you do, you may eventually forget it. While trying to secure it carefully, you may end up locking yourself out along with everyone else and that would result with something that would not be that much a profitable business.

This is why I believe that we need to do a lot better, and that could end up reaching a little later than expected as well. I understand that we could do much worse but we could end up trying to do the best thing we could potentially do by saving it somewhere easy to access by us, but nobody else.

[GbitG]

If you write the seed phrase in a special book and are afraid other people can access it, you can use tricks like changing 1 or 2 positions of the words. That way, even if someone steals your phrase, they can't access your wallet. (You just need to change the position of the two words, no need to change too much to confuse yourself).

Your opinion is correct that if someone is worried that someone can steal his wallet's phrases and access his assets, it is important to avoid the risk of this theft completely. But to some extent, it can be prevented by changing the positioning of the words in the phrase. But in my opinion, this is also not a tangible measure of the security standard because when a thief steals, he also has access to it. So, according to my opinion, what is tangible and somewhat more secure is the use of washers. Apparently, this is a bit expensive, but it is a better and safer method than changing the positioning of words in a phrase. Because, according to my opinion, changing the position of words in a phrase can lead to problems, like if you forget the positioning of the words, it will be difficult for you to access your wallet, or it will be your luck to meet.

[fillippone]

My way of keeping my mnemonic phrase is I created an excel file on my google sheets, you can find it on your gmail. Aside from that, I also created a copy of it on my computer notepad that was saved on my drive. I also saved on my notebook, all important information and passwords are in there. I always do that incase I lost one of my saved documents. I experienced losing it before, so I learned from it and I feel secured on that way.

I hope you are joking.
Firstly it is very easy to leave a device with your google account logged in, so it would be quite trivial to find your keys.
Secondly, you are exposed to data leaks from Google.
Storing your key online is exactly the only thing you don't want to do.