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September 26, 2023, 08:11:53 PM
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Many people cycle trade btc.   They buy the dip and hold till they make 4x or better profit.

So if you grabbed coin at 15 or 16 k you may want to sell most of your coins at 69k and up.  Then buy at the next crash.

This is the exact strategy that should be implemented. Most people are just too impatient to wat through the long bear markets to see the green shoots of recovery & subsequent raging bull market. Buy during bear markets, sell some during bull markets, buy back cheaper in the next bear. It’s a simple, yet very effective strategy, it’s just most people are still incapable.

I never sell Bitcoin with the intention of buying it back for cheaper to earn a profit. If I did, I likely would have missed out on thousands of percent in gains. If you believe Bitcoin will remain the best investment in human history, why trade it? Is the best investment in the world not good enough for you that you need to risk missing out on the moon shot to try and make a few extra percent?
They are two ways to almost every investment technique. In bitcoin, investors and traders play smart to make profits. While the holders don't bother about selling to buy cheaper, others sell to multiply their holding when the price gets smaller. With your technique of not selling, you're faced with long term profits. But if a person sold their coin and kept the fiat intact to buy double of their asset it can be more profitable than holding during the bull run and watch the price run low in bear market. In essence, the above idea of buying cheaper is also valid because the worth of bitcoin tagged to dollar, changes. The disadvantage of that like you pointed, lies on the outcome of bitcoin during the bull run. A trader might sell when the percentage is about to increase more and more. That's actually a huge loss for a person who sold at a specific high amount to buy cheaper. With Ognasty's method being for people who have accumulated a good number of bitcoin, the contrary method can be endorsed or utilized by those that wants to increase the number of bitcoin they're holding, then repeat and rinse during another bull run.

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September 26, 2023, 09:05:29 PM
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Scarcity argument is a mute point now, it' close to all mined. Additionally the US economy at that point will be in the proverbial Bidenomic full shitter. Pretty much means the tech stocks will be down and will drag BTC with it. Inflation will be raging still and no one will have time for BTC as they pay $8.99 a gallon of milk or gas.

Sorry folks can't get on the rainbows and bulls, it looks like hell is coming. So far BTC hasn't done jack against an inflation hedge let alone a store of value (yet).

The bigger point is how many miners are going to be left after cutting narrow margins in half? Will Russia have the most compute power then? Unsecured network?
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September 26, 2023, 09:31:31 PM
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Conclusion :
It is principal to note that in as much as Bitcoin halving has the potential of creating a very conducive market structure for price increase, It is never a guarantee. We all know the market is volatile and subject to speculative and rapid fluctuations. So a long-term plan in view could be one way to approach the market so that it don't take us unawares.
Yes, halving is not the only factor that causes Bitcoin prices to experience a bullrun. But honestly, this is the main trigger. It's just how big the influence is, this may be different in each bullrun era. Basically, the better the market trend at that time, the better the opportunity for Bitcoin to skyrocket in price, according to what we want. However, we also have to be wise, smart and alert to all possibilities. We won't know what the ATH price will be, so we should have good plans for the bullrun. This should not be too greedy because it will actually make us lose the opportunity to get profits according to our wishes. Just like during the bearish era, we carry out a purchasing system with DCA. Well, during a bull run, it might be similar to this strategy by setting several price targets, so that at least we can feel the take profit at a certain rate and won't regret it if we don't reach the highest target.

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September 26, 2023, 10:02:53 PM
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Well I think my own tactics after the bull is pretty simple because I will definitely sell off major parts of my coins when the price have started decreasing because I know after the bull Bitcoin will definitely not hold and maintain its core value price at it's highest mark because after the bull the circle then continues because the bear market will definitely come and I will specifically sell a major part of my coins during and wait for the price to be down so I can start hoarding ahead of another Bitcoin spike maybe somewhere and time in the future.

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September 26, 2023, 10:12:59 PM
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Many people cycle trade btc.   They buy the dip and hold till they make 4x or better profit.

So if you grabbed coin at 15 or 16 k you may want to sell most of your coins at 69k and up.  Then buy at the next crash.

This is the exact strategy that should be implemented. Most people are just too impatient to wat through the long bear markets to see the green shoots of recovery & subsequent raging bull market. Buy during bear markets, sell some during bull markets, buy back cheaper in the next bear. It’s a simple, yet very effective strategy, it’s just most people are still incapable.

I never sell Bitcoin with the intention of buying it back for cheaper to earn a profit. If I did, I likely would have missed out on thousands of percent in gains. If you believe Bitcoin will remain the best investment in human history, why trade it? Is the best investment in the world not good enough for you that you need to risk missing out on the moon shot to try and make a few extra percent?

If you didn't you probably will miss out on the additional thousands of percent gains Smiley.  Selling at ATH and rebuying when the price dips simply means you are getting more BTC than when you sold it at peak.  Taking for the fact that you are one of the pioneers and assuming you get BTC at less than $100, selling it @ $800 then buying at $300, then selling at $18k  and buying at $10k, then selling it at $50k ang buying it at $30k, doesn't this increase your BTC holdings?

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This might be possible if Bitcoin fails to follow the 4-year cycle and the market continuously crashes and doesn't recover.

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September 27, 2023, 03:32:19 AM
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Yes, investing does not mean selling at the rise. There must only be a specific strategy suitable for each person who adheres to it in the long term.

Some people prefer to sell everything they own at the first rise. It cannot be said that they are wrong because everyone has their own point of view, but it is better not to sell all of Bitcoin at once at the first rise.

For me, I prefer selling at different price levels and not at one price level, that is, selling part of my Bitcoin savings at every rise, and the opposite when falling, meaning buying at different price levels at every fall.

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September 27, 2023, 04:53:55 AM
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Buy low, sell high is the ultimate strategy. Buy the Bitcoin when the price crashes ($15k to $20k) and sell when the price reaches ATH ($69k or above). And repeat the cycle.
Form profit, buy some more bitcoin when the price crashes after the pump, and invest the remaining in offline investments. Buy a property, Gold, Silver, Platinum, etc.
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September 27, 2023, 05:26:57 AM
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Yes, investing does not mean selling at the rise. There must only be a specific strategy suitable for each person who adheres to it in the long term.

Some people prefer to sell everything they own at the first rise. It cannot be said that they are wrong because everyone has their own point of view, but it is better not to sell all of Bitcoin at once at the first rise.

For me, I prefer selling at different price levels and not at one price level, that is, selling part of my Bitcoin savings at every rise, and the opposite when falling, meaning buying at different price levels at every fall.

This could be a perfect strategy if you know how to pull it off everytime bitcoin rises or falls.
I believe it's called scaling out of position, it's the process of selling your bitcoin in increments while the price is rising.
While the process of buying every time bitcoin falls is a dollar cost averaging.
This strategy is a bit challenging in terms on decision making of when to start buying and when to start selling.

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September 27, 2023, 05:46:14 AM
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Yes, investing does not mean selling at the rise. There must only be a specific strategy suitable for each person who adheres to it in the long term.

Some people prefer to sell everything they own at the first rise. It cannot be said that they are wrong because everyone has their own point of view, but it is better not to sell all of Bitcoin at once at the first rise.

For me, I prefer selling at different price levels and not at one price level, that is, selling part of my Bitcoin savings at every rise, and the opposite when falling, meaning buying at different price levels at every fall.
An investor must already have a plan for when he sells his investment. In this case, he already knows at what price he will sell his Bitcoin. If he is a strong hand investor, he will not sell his Bitcoin if he has not made a big profit.

And the investor will also not sell all his Bitcoin at one high price and will probably only sell a small portion of his Bitcoin. Meanwhile, he will still hold onto his other Bitcoins for even higher price increases in the future. He also won't panic if the price experiences a deep correction, and he will even buy more Bitcoin.

I'm behind you by using this strategy so you can get even bigger profits. And for now, I am still collecting more Bitcoin because the price is still low. Later, after a bull run, I will sell some Bitcoin and wait for the price to experience a deep correction so I can buy Bitcoin at a low price again.

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September 27, 2023, 06:58:43 AM
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Buy low, sell high is the ultimate strategy. Buy the Bitcoin when the price crashes ($15k to $20k) and sell when the price reaches ATH ($69k or above). And repeat the cycle.
Form profit, buy some more bitcoin when the price crashes after the pump, and invest the remaining in offline investments. Buy a property, Gold, Silver, Platinum, etc.
Buying low and selling high is not really too much of a strategy rather than the goal of anyone that is looking to go long on this market, the question everyone has is how to achieve this? And that is where you are supposed to find a strategy to reach that goal, if you can then you can ultimately make a lot of money and invest in several other assets and diversify your portfolio, but until that day comes it is better to concentrate all your efforts in a single market, and bitcoin seems like the perfect asset to do this.
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September 27, 2023, 09:10:13 AM
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Many people cycle trade btc.   They buy the dip and hold till they make 4x or better profit.

So if you grabbed coin at 15 or 16 k you may want to sell most of your coins at 69k and up.  Then buy at the next crash.

This is the exact strategy that should be implemented. Most people are just too impatient to wat through the long bear markets to see the green shoots of recovery & subsequent raging bull market. Buy during bear markets, sell some during bull markets, buy back cheaper in the next bear. It’s a simple, yet very effective strategy, it’s just most people are still incapable.

I never sell Bitcoin with the intention of buying it back for cheaper to earn a profit. If I did, I likely would have missed out on thousands of percent in gains. If you believe Bitcoin will remain the best investment in human history, why trade it? Is the best investment in the world not good enough for you that you need to risk missing out on the moon shot to try and make a few extra percent?

Maybe to just increase it? Everyone maybe cannot afford to just buy a lot of Bitcoin and wait so they trade up a smaller amount.
It's quite easy to trade up your bitcoin to be honest.
Even that I agree with you that it's the best investment, but it's also easy to increase your bitcoins with trading.
Why settle down with 1BTC if you can trade it up to 2BTC?  Wink

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September 27, 2023, 11:46:03 AM
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Well I think my own tactics after the bull is pretty simple because I will definitely sell off major parts of my coins when the price have started decreasing because I know after the bull Bitcoin will definitely not hold and maintain its core value price at it's highest mark because after the bull the circle then continues because the bear market will definitely come and I will specifically sell a major part of my coins during and wait for the price to be down so I can start hoarding ahead of another Bitcoin spike maybe somewhere and time in the future.

This is a good strategy but how do you know when the price will start decreasing that'll lead to a bear market because the dip in price of Bitcoin might just be a correction that will later bounce back and the price will pass the previous peak it reach before the correction happened. You should have a specific price target that you set so when the price reach that amount you sell and wait for your targeted buy back price to reach before you buy again and start holding for the next bull market.

My selling target for Bitcoin is $150,000, when Bitcoin gets to that price I'll sell most of the Bitcoin I'm holding and my first buy back target is $70,000 and after that if the market dips further then I'll have more buy order at $50,000 and if the market falls further I'll buy at $30,000.

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September 27, 2023, 11:54:37 AM
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If I had the possibility not to sell my bitcoins, I would not do but those who sell either need to spend that money or they are planning to buy again after a year or two when prices are very low. most of those who want to keep Bitcoin in the hope of selling it at the highest price end up with not sell it at a high price, and they may sometimes sell it at the bottom instead of the top.
Without a good strategy, the best thing you can do is to sell as much money as you need and leave the rest until you need the money. $17,000 was a dream in the past, and after four years, this has become a very low price for Bitcoin.

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September 27, 2023, 12:18:28 PM
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If I had the possibility not to sell my bitcoins, I would not do but those who sell either need to spend that money or they are planning to buy again after a year or two when prices are very low. most of those who want to keep Bitcoin in the hope of selling it at the highest price end up with not sell it at a high price, and they may sometimes sell it at the bottom instead of the top.

Sooner or later though, there will be point in time that we need to sell some of our bitcoin. At least you enjoy the fruits of your hardship if you hold on it for a long time and then sell it to make profits. And the best thing is that you can re-invest anytime you like.

Without a good strategy, the best thing you can do is to sell as much money as you need and leave the rest until you need the money. $17,000 was a dream in the past, and after four years, this has become a very low price for Bitcoin.

Yes, strategy is needed, well in the beginning you might just go with the flow and everything. But as you gain experience already, you can formulate your own strategy on how to accumulate and when to sell and I think that is a good sign of a good investor.

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September 27, 2023, 01:19:40 PM
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Bitcoin is known to be cyclical so it is obvious that the market will go back to being bearish after the bull run.  So we should think of ways on how to take advantage of this cycle.  I believe selling during bull run and buying during the bear market is the simplest thing to do.  Due to the cycle repeating itself, we can just rinse and repeat this procedure increasing our portfolio and profit as the cycle repeats.
Every time there is an increase, there must be a decrease, this is the market law that has been in force so far, the bull run season is the moment that bitcoin investors have been waiting for because in this season there is an opportunity for us to get large returns, but it is advisable to remain careful and don't be greedy when you are in a bull run season because a bear market can happen at any time, like last year's bull run season when the price of Bitcoin soared to its highest price making many greedy people try to make purchases at the peak price because they thought the price would continue to rise to an even higher area, but unfortunately after they bought a bear market came and the price of bitcoin fell slowly so they had to get out of the market with a loss.

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September 27, 2023, 02:24:24 PM
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 I will Just Buy be patient and hodl until it's about time to sell, my portfolio will tell me it is damn time to sell because the purpose of every investment is to realize profit. I will immediately start taking profit, and I'm not going to hesitate, so I'm not gonna be greedy here and to never let the market cut me up or take my profit back. Furthermore, I'm going to DCA out the way I DCAed in once I'm good, let's say 20%, 50% 70%, and 100% depending on what suits you, don't sell at once because you might miss the real market move.
Lastly, prepare for the next cycle.



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September 27, 2023, 03:03:02 PM
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I will Just Buy be patient and hodl until it's about time to sell, my portfolio will tell me it is damn time to sell because the purpose of every investment is to realize profit. I will immediately start taking profit, and I'm not going to hesitate, so I'm not gonna be greedy here and to never let the market cut me up or take my profit back. Furthermore, I'm going to DCA out the way I DCAed in once I'm good, let's say 20%, 50% 70%, and 100% depending on what suits you, don't sell at once because you might miss the real market move.
Lastly, prepare for the next cycle.




Everyone claims to sell when profitable and not let greed kill them, but to be honest, not too many people can do that. Even many people have specific plans about when to buy and when to sell, but when they are in a bull market, greed will always be a barrier that prevents them from selling according to their set goals. It's easy to say but actually doing it is not easy. I myself sometimes fell into that situation because no one wanted more profits. Overcoming greed is really not easy.



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September 27, 2023, 03:10:51 PM
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When a bull run is in progress, it is very important to determine the moment when it will be close to completion. If this moment is not determined, you may be left with a broken trough. And after the bull run is over, you should transfer the main part of your funds into stablecoins and operate 20-30% of your funds.
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Buy low, sell high is the ultimate strategy. Buy the Bitcoin when the price crashes ($15k to $20k) and sell when the price reaches ATH ($69k or above). And repeat the cycle.
Form profit, buy some more bitcoin when the price crashes after the pump, and invest the remaining in offline investments. Buy a property, Gold, Silver, Platinum, etc.

The strategy you say is a very general strategy and applies to everything or all assets that have value, such as Bitcoin. But what we have to understand is that not everyone can get the lowest possible price and sell at the highest possible price, except for people who continue to monitor the market with sufficient capital preparation when they want to buy at a low price.

And for investments such as property, Gold, Silver and Platinum, things are slightly different from Bitcoin investments because investors usually choose investments such as property, Gold, Silver and Platinum to maintain the value of their money so that it does not experience more depreciation. Whereas in Bitcoin, it is more about investing for large profits with a fairly balanced level of risk so that every investor must have sufficient patience when placing their money into Bitcoin.
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September 27, 2023, 04:34:01 PM
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Many people cycle trade btc.   They buy the dip and hold till they make 4x or better profit.

So if you grabbed coin at 15 or 16 k you may want to sell most of your coins at 69k and up.  Then buy at the next crash.

Yes many people set a target or plan to sell in 4 times the profit. But I believe we should completely think differently when it comes to Bitcoin investments. We need to permanently set a fact in our brain that Bitcoins are limited in number, hence it’s always not good to sell away these high priced and valuable coins. I would suggest not to keep any specific plan or target. Just think Bitcoins as long time investment, and only cashout/sell these coins when you need money in emergency. In this manner you can take out the maximum profit from the coins. So just accumulate whenever possible the coins and hold for long term.

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