Modifying quotes to push false narratives. Yay or nay?

[BenCodie]

Hi community - Are we FOR modifying post quote authors to create false narratives?

https://web.archive.org/web/20230925214823/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5464289.msg62899059#msg62899059

JollyGood modified Don Pedro Dinero's post quote to instead have me as the author...this would have been a seriously huge contradiction if I made this post, and not don.. Not the case though. Post below:

Well, I was coming here to say that I also support cryptofrka's application, as I understand that he is a person who spends a lot of time in the gambling section and can help distribute merit to quality posts that often get buried between rubbish pages.

But I'm also surprised that BenCodie is going as a moral defender here, I don't want to get too long with this because is kind of OT, but if you say this:

As for the question if gambling is unethical - it undoubtedly is.

What you need to do is to stop wearing a gambling ad on your signature, especially because you get paid for it. I don't know where you learned ethics, but where I'm from someone who lets himself be bought to advertise something he thinks is wrong is not only behaving in a morally wrong way, he is also a hypocrite.

JollyGood proceeded to modify Don Pedro Dinero's post, and make it as if I had said that:

What you need to do is to stop wearing a gambling ad on your signature, especially because you get paid for it. I don't know where you learned ethics, but where I'm from someone who lets himself be bought to advertise something he thinks is wrong is not only behaving in a morally wrong way, he is also a hypocrite.

Have you all read the same thing I did? What a stunning way for this deranged person to contradict himself.

All of you go back to the gambling board where you all came from and belong. If you can't read and understand a high IQ post, don't respond to it with bs personal attacks about my signature.

I'm not a hypocrite for taking opportunity when it's available. And just because I wear a signature, thsn doesn't mean that should be a main focus to my valid opinion on a topic.

All of you have a common theme - low IQ.

There you have it ladies and gentlemen of this wonderful forum our ours. According to this member, we all have low IQ and as for him he does not mind outing himself as a hypocrite by applying to join signature campaigns (which he is convinced are promoting scams) just be because he does not want to miss the opportunity to earn some BTC.

You can check the way back machine to see proof, and the thread (until JollyFraud edits or removes his post).

Now I'll wait for complaints about another JG thread (aside from the fact it's valid) and that JollyGood apparently modified the quote author= code from Don Pedro Dinero to BenCodie by accident or to troll.

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[twiki]

Dude, aren't you tired of talking nonsense yet? It doesn’t matter what your opponent has done, rise above it. Understand that your excessive activity and your actions that clog this section more than usual do not bring anything to others except irritation. And from what I've read about you, I'm inclined to think that you only act this way because you don't have the ability to use feedback as a tool for retaliation, which is why you're spamming this section.

[BenCodie]

Dude, aren't you tired of talking nonsense yet? It doesn’t matter what your opponent has done, rise above it. Understand that your excessive activity and your actions that clog this section more than usual do not bring anything to others except irritation. And from what I've read about you, I'm inclined to think that you only act this way because you don't have the ability to use feedback as a tool for retaliation, which is why you're spamming this section.

Which part of my thread is nonsense?

Click the quote links, you can jump straight to where JollyGood has modified quotes.

I think this is a serious issue. If I quote you like this:

I am a serial murderer

And then added commentary like...

"Oh no, everyone, twiki has admitted he is a serial murderer!"

And people believed it because of that quote
And I get away with it without any form of repercussion

Would that not display a serious problem within the community and the forum?

...and also, is that not god-like power? Why does JollyGood deserve that kind of power?

I am sure if I or anyone dared to modify anyone else's quotes in the forum for malicious purposes like JG, AND dare to add slandering commentary, we'd be digitally slapped into the oblivion! For some reason, no slapping for JG though.

Of course this is an extreme exaggeration to highlight the point.

Am I sick of responding to the garbage thrown my way? Of course. Will I stop addressing and highlighting when it's actually a problem that could effect more people than just myself? No, I won't. If JollyGood makes a habit of modifying quotes in attempt to mislabel other members and get away with it, that is a big problem and could lead to completely inaccurate depictions of other members in the forum, and falsification of what they have never actually said.


I find it interesting that no one of importance has chimed into such an obvious act of falsification that any other member would otherwise may have been banished or banned for....maybe because this is obviously untrustworthy behaviour, but everyone either loves JG, or, no one wants to feel his wraith if they try to put him in his place.

Patiently waiting for opinions on what has happened here, or someone to tell this nutjob JG that he is clearly crossing lines now, after top toeing over them for so long with so many people.

Otherwise, let's all just go around and start making posts with fake quotes if that is allowed, I'm sure the forum and its integrity will be just fine as a result! (/s)

[Rikafip]

Patiently waiting for opinions on what has happened here, or someone to tell this nutjob JG that he is clearly crossing lines now, after top toeing over them for so long with so many people.

Have you considered a possibility that he simply misquoted you? I know that happened to me more than once, especially when I am replying to several different members at the same time like in this case.

You could have asked him that right there instead creating yet another thread.

[FatFork]

Patiently waiting for opinions on what has happened here, or someone to tell this nutjob JG that he is clearly crossing lines now, after top toeing over them for so long with so many people.

Have you ever considered a possibility that he simply misquoted you? I know that happened to me more than once, especially when I am replying to several different members at the same time like in this case.

You could have asked him that right and there instead creating yet another thread.

I agree with Rikafip here. It's just a simple case of a misquote, and it can happen to all of us, especially if we forget to hit that preview button.

@BenCodie, you had a similar incident here when you misquoted Poker Player, making it seem like his words were yours:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5467778.msg62888885#msg62888885

And you never bothered to fix that misquote either.

[Poker Player]

Obviously nay.

Have you considered a possibility that he simply misquoted you? I know that happened to me more than once, especially when I am replying to several different members at the same time like in this case.

That has happened to me too, what I realized just when I published the post or when I reread it some time later and corrected it, but if we go through my post history I wouldn't be surprised if there is some case that I missed and didn't correct. JG tends to write long posts, and to quote within multiple quotes, so it is easier for that to happen to him.

@BenCodie, you had a similar incident here when you misquoted Poker Player, making it seem like his words were yours:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5467778.msg62888885#msg62888885

And you never bothered to fix that misquote either.

Lol.

[Upgrade00]

I have been notified that I was quoted about two or three times in the past to replied that were not mine.
So I can confirm that this happens and there does not have to be any malicious intent behind it, just a simple mix up.

[BabyBandit]

Bro, don't allow people that you dislike to live rent free in your head like this, they enjoying this sick stuff, ignorance is gold in situations like this. Trust me.
Move on and focus on happy things, everyone will be a winner, but most important you will be a winner.  

[Rikafip]

JG tends to write long posts, and to quote within multiple quotes, so it is easier for that to happen to him.

I have a feeling that OP realized that's what probably happened in this case, but he gets triggered every time he sees JG talking about him (and vice versa) so why not use this mistake as an excuse to open yet another thread and continue this drama.

[Shishir99]

JG tends to write long posts, and to quote within multiple quotes, so it is easier for that to happen to him.

I have a feeling that OP realized that's what probably happened in this case, but he gets triggered every time he sees JG talking about him (and vice versa) so why not use this mistake as an excuse to open yet another thread and continue this drama.

Don't be surprised if you see someone distrusted you for such a statement. I am trying to make my skin thicker than some of you, but I always fall into a trap like this. I am trying to stay away from these threads but I cannot control myself 

I have been notified that I was quoted about two or three times in the past to replied that were not mine.
So I can confirm that this happens and there does not have to be any malicious intent behind it, just a simple mix up.

These are common mistakes people make, primarily if someone writes from their phone/tab or writes long posts. Maybe I did too. Since I do not use a notification bot, I did not notice if someone quoted me. But I agree with you.

[digaran]

Let me present to you a cluster f of misquoting which happens all the time, If I wasn't a regular on that topic, I couldn't tell what is going on, things like this happen to me as well even after posting, but I correct it when I re-read my posts.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1306983.msg62911502#msg62911502
Edit: read the next post as well.😅

[BenCodie]

Just wanted to see how many people claimed mistake before I posted

Patiently waiting for opinions on what has happened here, or someone to tell this nutjob JG that he is clearly crossing lines now, after top toeing over them for so long with so many people.

Have you ever considered a possibility that he simply misquoted you? I know that happened to me more than once, especially when I am replying to several different members at the same time like in this case.

You could have asked him that right and there instead creating yet another thread.

I agree with Rikafip here. It's just a simple case of a misquote, and it can happen to all of us, especially if we forget to hit that preview button.

@BenCodie, you had a similar incident here when you misquoted Poker Player, making it seem like his words were yours:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5467778.msg62888885#msg62888885

And you never bothered to fix that misquote either.

If you misquote a post genuinely, you are still replying to the post that you read. Your response proves the bbcode error which is why it doesn't matter much. Formatting comes after quoting, if it's a long post. Errors like mine can only happen to formatted posts. Sometimes on mobile that process goes wrong. However, JollyGood did not misquote. He intentionally modified the quote author. As he responded as if I were the one who made Don Pedro Dinero's post.

It's one thing misquoting due to broken code, it's another to modify its content. When you misquote due to broken code, you still reply to the same thing, a third party can make sense of the mistake. If this was not the case, FatFork could not have pointed out my broken quote as he had. This is not the case for JollyGood though. If you go through his post history, the unknowing eye would read the post normally and the content would seem untampered with as JollyGood is apparently trusted, and because it's a finely formatted post, the BBCode integrity is 99%, the 1% being the incorrect quote author, changed from Don Pedro Dinero to BenCodie in one instance only,

What does this 1% do to post integrity if further content stems from that one modification? What do I mean by "further content"?

Have you all read the same thing I did? What a stunning way for this deranged person to contradict himself

Around 5% of the entire post is now fictional. It is not just some harmless piece of fiction like "the sky is red", this fictional piece involves reputation of a community member. To the unknowing eye, it claims and proves (proves, if I actually made the post) that I am deranged, that I contradict myself, it tarnishes my reputation quite significantly as the post ages and as more people read and believe JollyGood's post...All achieved just by changing "Don Pedro Dinero" to "BenCodie", then replying as if BenCodie made "Don Pedro Dinero"'s post.

An accident is not what JollyGood has done here. He has replied to another users post as if it were myself who made the post. This is not something that can be accidentally done with code. It can only be done intentionally. It is not possible for JG to have accidentally misformatted the post. If you read the archived post in full, you will see that JollyGood was not replying to Don Pedro Dinero and accidentally quot me. In fact, he quoted Don't Pedro Dinero, made me the author of Don Pedro Dinero's post, and replied to it as if I had made Don Pedro Dinero's post. This is proven by what he said right after the misquoted post:

Have you all read the same thing I did? What a stunning way for this deranged person to contradict himself

If I had made the post that Don Pedro Dinero had made, then indeed, I would be deranged and JollyGood would be right, what he quoted looks like I am deranged and that I've stunningly contradicted myself. He even almost convinced me, almost. For those who aren't me, they would have (and still) believe the post is 100% factual as JollyGood is a trusted figure and, unless someone points out an error, majority of his posts will come across as factual by default.

I am surprised no one has gone and actually looked into the posts or understands the problem being highlighted. It is a serious one. If this kind of thing is allowed, this completely damages the integrity of the quote system. I hope that this explanation open some eyes.

[FatFork]

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However, JollyGood did not misquote. He intentionally modified the quote author. As he responded as if I were the one who made Don Pedro Dinero's post.

I don't believe so. Here's how that part of the post should look without a quoting error:

If you really think the gambling board is as ethical as other boards this forum contains, you're out of touch with basic ethics.

Lol, guy that is willing to promote something that he thinks is highly unethical and exploitative for a little bit of bitcoin will teach us about ethics.  

He is the same guy who was certain Whirlwind was a scam but decided not to not express his views because he wanted to get signed up on their signature campaign, clearly stating if he could earn from it he had no issues. Another example of lack of morals and ethics on his part.

What you need to do is to stop wearing a gambling ad on your signature, especially because you get paid for it. I don't know where you learned ethics, but where I'm from someone who lets himself be bought to advertise something he thinks is wrong is not only behaving in a morally wrong way, he is also a hypocrite.

Have you all read the same thing I did? What a stunning way for this deranged person to contradict himself.

All of you go back to the gambling board where you all came from and belong. If you can't read and understand a high IQ post, don't respond to it with bs personal attacks about my signature.

I'm not a hypocrite for taking opportunity when it's available. And just because I wear a signature, thsn doesn't mean that should be a main focus to my valid opinion on a topic.

All of you have a common theme - low IQ.

There you have it ladies and gentlemen of this wonderful forum our ours. According to this member, we all have low IQ and as for him he does not mind outing himself as a hypocrite by applying to join signature campaigns (which he is convinced are promoting scams) just be because he does not want to miss the opportunity to earn some BTC.
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As you can see, his post makes sense logically.

He replied to Rikfip's post first, talking about you in the third person. Then, he replied to Don Pedro Dinero, essentially agreeing with him and starting with the rhetorical question, "Have you all read the same thing I did?" He continued to refer to you in the third person. He also quoted part of your post about "high IQ/low IQ" members to support his argument and concluded sarcastically, still referring to you in the third person. In the continuation of the post, he replied to other members by quoting their posts, specifically cryptofrka and Findingnemo.

If I had made the post that Don Pedro Dinero had made, then indeed, I would be deranged and JollyGood would be right, what he quoted looks like I am deranged and that I've stunningly contradicted myself.

Actually, the contradictory part comes after your statement that gambling is unethical, which Don Pedro Dinero quoted, and after he pointed out the fact that you continue to wear a gambling signature and receive payment for it. You have to consider the whole context, not just the part that Don Pedro Dinero said.

[BenCodie]

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However, JollyGood did not misquote. He intentionally modified the quote author. As he responded as if I were the one who made Don Pedro Dinero's post.

I don't believe so. Here's how that part of the post should look without a quoting error:

If you really think the gambling board is as ethical as other boards this forum contains, you're out of touch with basic ethics.

Lol, guy that is willing to promote something that he thinks is highly unethical and exploitative for a little bit of bitcoin will teach us about ethics.  

He is the same guy who was certain Whirlwind was a scam but decided not to not express his views because he wanted to get signed up on their signature campaign, clearly stating if he could earn from it he had no issues. Another example of lack of morals and ethics on his part.

What you need to do is to stop wearing a gambling ad on your signature, especially because you get paid for it. I don't know where you learned ethics, but where I'm from someone who lets himself be bought to advertise something he thinks is wrong is not only behaving in a morally wrong way, he is also a hypocrite.

Have you all read the same thing I did? What a stunning way for this deranged person to contradict himself.

All of you go back to the gambling board where you all came from and belong. If you can't read and understand a high IQ post, don't respond to it with bs personal attacks about my signature.

I'm not a hypocrite for taking opportunity when it's available. And just because I wear a signature, thsn doesn't mean that should be a main focus to my valid opinion on a topic.

All of you have a common theme - low IQ.

There you have it ladies and gentlemen of this wonderful forum our ours. According to this member, we all have low IQ and as for him he does not mind outing himself as a hypocrite by applying to join signature campaigns (which he is convinced are promoting scams) just be because he does not want to miss the opportunity to earn some BTC.
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As you can see, his post makes sense logically.

He replied to Rikfip's post first, talking about you in the third person. Then, he replied to Don Pedro Dinero, essentially agreeing with him and starting with the rhetorical question, "Have you all read the same thing I did?" He continued to refer to you in the third person. He also quoted part of your post about "high IQ/low IQ" members to support his argument and concluded sarcastically, still referring to you in the third person. In the continuation of the post, he replied to other members by quoting their posts, specifically cryptofrka and Findingnemo.

If I had made the post that Don Pedro Dinero had made, then indeed, I would be deranged and JollyGood would be right, what he quoted looks like I am deranged and that I've stunningly contradicted myself.

Actually, the contradictory part comes after your statement that gambling is unethical, which Don Pedro Dinero quoted, and after he pointed out the fact that you continue to wear a gambling signature and receive payment for it. You have to consider the whole context, not just the part that Don Pedro Dinero said.

I see where you are coming from, however it is too convenient to say that this was not in some way orchestrated by JollyGood.

Since you believe your argument and unless you are certain about your conclusion, then we must agree to disagree to prevent a subjective spiral.

I have my belief based on JollyGood's pattern of conduct. You have yours based on your basis.

Between us, let's leave it at that, shall we? I've added a poll to see what others think, though it should be noted that no matter the poll results, none of us can know.

I will be locking this thread after 7 days of discussion inactivity.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

I have the OP on ignore just to avoid unnecessary arguing but I saw this thread at some point when I wasn't logged in, and seeing a misquote on Meta reminded me of it.

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I was just getting warm for discussion on a few subjects, but it got deleted.

Name me what the deleted topics were called? As far as I remember, this is the first topic I deleted while I was moderator of this section. So any questions about other deleted topics, that's not for me.

I think you should fix the quote here. It looks confusing as it wasn't you who said the last sentence, it was Xal0lex.

Here is another example of the same person getting a quote wrong. This is not to say 100% that in the case the OP is talking about he also made a mistake without malice but I think it supports the hypothesis.

Well, and seeing that the result of the poll is 7 votes to 0 against what the author thinks, I have no doubts.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

Since I've seen that the OP has locked a thread of his in this section, he might as well lock this one too. It's just a suggestion to avoid getting his thread filled with examples against what he defends. Another one I found today: in the quote, it looks like larry_vw_1955 is quoting me but the words are from naikturun. 

So why is the dollar price against other currencies still said to be stable, even strengthening in several other currencies, for example in my country the USD has strengthened by almost 10% from the beginning of this year until now.
Does this indicate that all countries are also doing the same thing as America is doing?

Not necessarily. I think more likely what it might mean is that people trust the USA for some reason. No matter how misplaced that confidence and sense of trust might be. We're in a house of cards in reality which is likely to fall down at any time!

Yet another mistake with no malicious intent.