Risk management and responsible gaming

[Westinhome]

OP, I have been gambling for more than 6 years now and yet have not turned myself into a compulsive gambler. I think it's the paramount responsibility of every man to always have self-control over what they are doing.

There are a lot of gamblers who are still responsible gamblers, and some other gamblers are also irresponsible, but the only difference between those two types of gamblers is that one has self-control and has never allowed themselves to become addicted.

Even if the government must develop any program to help encourage responsible gambling, a gambler must always be positive-minded and exercise self-control in their gambling lifestyles so that they will prevent themselves from becoming compulsive gamblers or having other gambling-related problems, like the OP said.

Their are many gamblers like you,they will play longer in the gambling site.But don’t get addicted to the gambling site,their was huge difference between the gamblers who get addiction and gamblers who play for the longer term.If the gamblers had the self control like you said,then he doesn’t have the problem by getting addicted to the gambling site.The responsibility in the gambling site was depend upon on every single gambler,because some gamblers had take own responsibility of the game.Some countries may ban the gambling site,in such site the gamblers will play with out the knowledge of their own family members.Even their relatives may report him for the gambling involvement to the government officials for small rewards.

[Zoomic]

OP, I have been gambling for more than 6 years now and yet have not turned myself into a compulsive gambler. I think it's the paramount responsibility of every man to always have self-control over what they are doing.

There are a lot of gamblers who are still responsible gamblers, and some other gamblers are also irresponsible, but the only difference between those two types of gamblers is that one has self-control and has never allowed themselves to become addicted.

Even if the government must develop any program to help encourage responsible gambling, a gambler must always be positive-minded and exercise self-control in their gambling lifestyles so that they will prevent themselves from becoming compulsive gamblers or having other gambling-related problems, like the OP said.

You are right on this. No amount of government programs can change an irresponsible person. Just the same way government laws, rules and regulations have not been able to stop crime except the criminal decides on his own to change. The only way the government can be helpful is to help those battling with gambling problems, this they do through their various agencies. Even though certain restrictions have been laid down to help gamblers gamble responsibly, the government does not follow them up strictly. Government make money from gambling through casinos and other platforms and these gambling platforms make a good percentage of their profits from irresponsible gamblers.

It is needless expecting the government to help you cut down on your gambling excesses, it is the sole responsibility of the gambler to moderate himself while gambling considering the consequences involved if one becomes too careless and carried away.

[lombok]

On the other hand what you said could be true that although the casino's goal is quite humane by providing the best service with the aim of reducing the level of addiction for the community but it is not wrong if we put a little suspicion about whether there is no other goal that is targeted and focused on by the casino itself. Hmm yes maybe I can also say that this is a new marketing style that will indirectly attract more customers because they feel they will stay safe with such services.

I don't think that the main purpose of casinos doing this is to increase revenue, because obviously the services they provide are to reduce the level of addiction which means that with the reduced interest of gamblers to gamble then obviously in terms of casino revenue will also definitely decrease, but what is more certain is that I think this is a new marketing style to increase the popularity of the casino itself to be more trusted in the eyes of the public.

Apart from this, in my country cigarette companies also open smoking cessation services for cigarette addicts who want to quit. Previously, they were pessimistic and thought what the heck this company was doing, instead it was acting ridiculously. However, after I researched it, after this service appeared, the number of cigarettes in circulation remained the same and actually increased, even many underage children in my country were smoking.

Considering the high cost of advertising on television, this smoking cessation service is like a new style of advertising that can be conveyed to other people, even non-smokers, through word of mouth. And I imagine if this happened in gambling, it would be the same, wouldn't it?

[Kelvinid]

On the other hand what you said could be true that although the casino's goal is quite humane by providing the best service with the aim of reducing the level of addiction for the community but it is not wrong if we put a little suspicion about whether there is no other goal that is targeted and focused on by the casino itself. Hmm yes maybe I can also say that this is a new marketing style that will indirectly attract more customers because they feel they will stay safe with such services.

I don't think that the main purpose of casinos doing this is to increase revenue, because obviously the services they provide are to reduce the level of addiction which means that with the reduced interest of gamblers to gamble then obviously in terms of casino revenue will also definitely decrease, but what is more certain is that I think this is a new marketing style to increase the popularity of the casino itself to be more trusted in the eyes of the public.

Apart from this, in my country cigarette companies also open smoking cessation services for cigarette addicts who want to quit. Previously, they were pessimistic and thought what the heck this company was doing, instead it was acting ridiculously. However, after I researched it, after this service appeared, the number of cigarettes in circulation remained the same and actually increased, even many underage children in my country were smoking.

Considering the high cost of advertising on television, this smoking cessation service is like a new style of advertising that can be conveyed to other people, even non-smokers, through word of mouth. And I imagine if this happened in gambling, it would be the same, wouldn't it?

Advertisements are somewhat influential on the mindset of the people. Greedy people will certainly fall into trusting anyone who says that gambling will make their lives better and richer. Perhaps, it was one of their marketing strategy and thought to be very effective. Well, there is nothing wrong with gambling but what matters the most if we are still able to manage our gambling habits because many gamblers become irresponsible. As we can see, more people got involved in gambling which means that the interest is growing and this will continue to grow.

[Sandra_hakeem]

Governments and several organisations work to encourage responsible gaming. This involves establishing betting restrictions, offering support to those who think they have a gambling problem, and participating in self-exclusion programmes.

so your whole point is that the governs are creating pathways to eliminate gambling addiction? Cus this looks like a Summary to me... But if what you said is true, what do you think is the best way to achieve that? Isn't it by curbing or eliminating the cause of the addiction itself - which is gambling itself? They wouldn't wanna stop casinos totally since they're getting cuts yearly, monthly or daily from it...
I believe it's dawn on every gambler who's planning on either being successful or not being addicted at the end.

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

[wheelz1200]

Unsure of the direction of this thread but if you are saying that governments put in controls to help people I'd say it's minimal and I don't see an issue with that.  It's like smoking cigarettes, not much countries are doing about that addiction either.  I'd say it revolves mostly around all of the money they rake in from people's addicitions it's sad.

[Latviand]

yup, that gambler needs to give a strong push for control by himself first. Then, support from others afterward. It's also useless if support comes from close people, friends or family. If he still wants to continue betting and forgets about risk management. If it happens, then be prepared to face bad things that can destroy his life. When they experience this, then any advice will no longer be able to help them and they have to really try on their own.

You're right and those stuff that you're saying is obvious already but I have to say that it's not really a good idea to say that external support is useless even if the person that's addicted or needs help in stopping from gambling doesn't want to help themselves. As much as we want all to emphasize that the right thing to happen is for a person to have the will to stop themselves in gambling, a constant support from their loved ones is a good thing even during those denial periods because that could be a factor in speeding up the process because the person that's being supported would find it in their heart to give them what their family wants and try to do a recovery.

Regarding the help from the government, I don't know where you're from OP but it's such a good government if they're doing this because I haven't seen any program like the ones that you've mentioned here in my country or if there's one then they're not heavily promoted to reach more audiences which I think should be the goal for these types of program even if it's a low effort one as long as someone's able to know about the programs.

[klidex]

Each government think difficultly. Some governments will allow gambling for generating tax for them, some governments prevent their citizens from gambling but allow for foreigners only and some governments totally restricted gambling in their countries. But no government can totally stop gambling as there are many ways for gamblers to bypass. So better to work for awareness so that a gambler can become responsible. I like the self exclusion idea and related organization who work for Gambling. This could be important initial step in helping gamblers to control their gambling. If a gambler is dedicative enough then addiction in gambling could be solve.

There are places on which their government would really be minding about the citizens condition and situation on which they wont really be liking on letting them to get involved with gambling.
Well, its good but majority of these places or government would really be mindful about taxes, they wont care about citizens condition as long they could be able to tax then it would really be just that fine. Well, we do know on how taxes do works and how it do really help out economic development and advancement but they should be at least having that moderation so that gambling addiction
wont really be that bad and severe on which we know that it is really that too bad if ever that happens. In overall, it would really be just that depending on a certain individual
decisions because we cant really just blame out all to the government.

Every government has its own rules, whether we live in a government that allows gambling or does not allow gambling, we have to accept it and should not demand the right to allow gambling and it is true as you say that we have no right to blame the government.
It is true that gambling is a bad activity, and just like smoking, drinking alcohol, drugs, three are bad activities, but among them only gambling and drugs are really strictly controlled in any country and there are only a few governments that allow it because Their taxes are also high, perhaps for governments that allow gambling and drugs, they will get big profits and can add to their government's economy through taxes for various reasons.
However, even though gambling is illegal, many people in all parts of the world still dare to gamble, whether in land-based casinos or online casinos, even though it is strictly prohibited by the government, usually people who do this activity will do it secretly.
For me, as long as gamblers can be responsible and don't take actions out of control, gambling remains a fun activity and isn't too stressful because sometimes the government is too worried about irresponsible gamblers and doesn't think about the risks so many governments strictly prohibit gambling in the community. .

[Hypnosis00]

Unsure of the direction of this thread but if you are saying that governments put in controls to help people I'd say it's minimal and I don't see an issue with that.  It's like smoking cigarettes, not much countries are doing about that addiction either.  I'd say it revolves mostly around all of the money they rake in from people's addicitions it's sad.

As long as it's still acceptable the government will continue to allow the operation of a casino. More casinos to operate, more taxes they'll collect, that's a basic business principle on their part. There are other countries who don't allow their citizens to gamble because they know it will likely cause an addiction to them, so instead they only allow a casino to operate and serve the tourist, and let the citizens work within the casino.

At the end of the day, it's still the government decision that will be followed, if they can't control it, they'll likely ban it, but for sure they'll find a way that addiction will be control at a manageable level so it's a win-win situation for all.

[junder]

On the other hand what you said could be true that although the casino's goal is quite humane by providing the best service with the aim of reducing the level of addiction for the community but it is not wrong if we put a little suspicion about whether there is no other goal that is targeted and focused on by the casino itself. Hmm yes maybe I can also say that this is a new marketing style that will indirectly attract more customers because they feel they will stay safe with such services.

I don't think that the main purpose of casinos doing this is to increase revenue, because obviously the services they provide are to reduce the level of addiction which means that with the reduced interest of gamblers to gamble then obviously in terms of casino revenue will also definitely decrease, but what is more certain is that I think this is a new marketing style to increase the popularity of the casino itself to be more trusted in the eyes of the public.

Apart from this, in my country cigarette companies also open smoking cessation services for cigarette addicts who want to quit. Previously, they were pessimistic and thought what the heck this company was doing, instead it was acting ridiculously. However, after I researched it, after this service appeared, the number of cigarettes in circulation remained the same and actually increased, even many underage children in my country were smoking.

Considering the high cost of advertising on television, this smoking cessation service is like a new style of advertising that can be conveyed to other people, even non-smokers, through word of mouth. And I imagine if this happened in gambling, it would be the same, wouldn't it?

Advertisements are somewhat influential on the mindset of the people. Greedy people will certainly fall into trusting anyone who says that gambling will make their lives better and richer. Perhaps, it was one of their marketing strategy and thought to be very effective. Well, there is nothing wrong with gambling but what matters the most if we are still able to manage our gambling habits because many gamblers become irresponsible. As we can see, more people got involved in gambling which means that the interest is growing and this will continue to grow.

Of course, whatever is advertised is aimed at attracting many people to do or buy the advertised product, also with people who are easily attracted to their pasi will be interested in existing advertisements, especially with the phrase gambling that can make us rich quickly, which person does not want to get rich quickly, of course everyone wants that. It's just that they take it too seriously which is where their assumptions will kill them themselves, I mean by them expecting wealth by gambling it will make them poor in the future because with their finances that will be drained by gambling if they are not aware of the true meaning of gambling, because gambling itself means betting some money where the winner gets the bet money or in other words fighting fate, as a form of game that is lucky for those who play, but if they put high hopes in gambling then they will most likely get a loss that is not small. Also if they are like that there will be other impacts that befall them such as changes in attitude, behavior, mental health and mind problems, so gambling with moderation is right, don't do gambling excessively because it will result in a fatal thing later.

It's true, with those who put great hope in gambling making them irresponsible with gambling, where they can forget their responsibilities in other things that should have been their own responsibility. because gambling can make someone forget about many things because they themselves also can't help themselves from the temptation of gambling. The interest that a person has in gambling is great therefore they cannot help themselves from the temptation to gamble. also with the fact that at this time many people are easily tempted and become addicted to just one game,  it indicates that more and more people are gambling at this time also with the addiction that already exists in them it will be difficult to get rid of it, this is already literate in themselves which has become a necessity in their lives.

[Litzki1990]

Some countries support gambling and some countries do not support gambling. Gambling is outright prohibited in countries that have Muslim pay, but there are many countries outside of Muslim countries that prohibit gambling. In countries where gambling is allowed, you can easily find different casinos, but in countries where gambling is not allowed, far from casinos, there is more negative publicity about gambling. I only said what could happen officially but there are many five star hotels which operate secret casinos and there are huge numbers of people gambling secretly. Those who are addicted to gambling, there is no real deterrent, they will either go to the casino or gamble at home.

[SheepStick]

I guess the most important rule for gambler is DO NOT TRY WIN BACK MONEY, cuz i really know people who cannot stop when they are losing. Especially its even worse when u deposit a new portion of money to try win back yr old money- this is a deadend way.

[masulum]

You're right and those stuff that you're saying is obvious already but I have to say that it's not really a good idea to say that external support is useless even if the person that's addicted or needs help in stopping from gambling doesn't want to help themselves. As much as we want all to emphasize that the right thing to happen is for a person to have the will to stop themselves in gambling, a constant support from their loved ones is a good thing even during those denial periods because that could be a factor in speeding up the process because the person that's being supported would find it in their heart to give them what their family wants and try to do a recovery.

Yes, it's like that, the best motivation is from within yourself. Just like when we first tried to gamble, we must also have the responsibility to try to stop. but of course stopping is sometimes not as easy as starting. I've had a few mistakes before, when people warned me not to play too long when winning, but I always played to the end of winning only to end up losing. From this, I feel that I must take full responsibility, both for playing and for stopping gambling. That's why I say input from other people can be useless if we don't follow it and there is rejection from ourselves

[madnessteat]

In my opinion almost all steps that states take to "protect" gamblers have no real benefit. If they wanted to really help people with gambling addiction, they could open more free rehabilitation centers, advertise them on central television, launch information campaigns that would explain the negative consequences of mindless gambling. All this costs money, which will have to be allocated from the budget, so they simply do not make real steps, but only create the appearance of hard work.

[Sanitough]

In my opinion almost all steps that states take to "protect" gamblers have no real benefit. If they wanted to really help people with gambling addiction, they could open more free rehabilitation centers, advertise them on central television, launch information campaigns that would explain the negative consequences of mindless gambling. All this costs money, which will have to be allocated from the budget, so they simply do not make real steps, but only create the appearance of hard work.

It doesn't look good if they will open a rehabilitation centers of addicted gamblers as it will only imply that addiction has already become rampant.

Gambling is controllable by the government, since they regulated it, they have the right to ban it, or consider it as illegal. However, seeing the money that flows to the funding of the government, they can't make that kind of decision to stop, so it's really unto us now, either we become responsible, or be on the other side and experience the effect of addiction, after all the government doesn't care about us since gambling is not a necessity.

[Hirose UK]

OP, I have been gambling for more than 6 years now and yet have not turned myself into a compulsive gambler. I think it's the paramount responsibility of every man to always have self-control over what they are doing.

There are a lot of gamblers who are still responsible gamblers, and some other gamblers are also irresponsible, but the only difference between those two types of gamblers is that one has self-control and has never allowed themselves to become addicted.

Even if the government must develop any program to help encourage responsible gambling, a gambler must always be positive-minded and exercise self-control in their gambling lifestyles so that they will prevent themselves from becoming compulsive gamblers or having other gambling-related problems, like the OP said.

Their are many gamblers like you,they will play longer in the gambling site.But don’t get addicted to the gambling site,their was huge difference between the gamblers who get addiction and gamblers who play for the longer term.If the gamblers had the self control like you said,then he doesn’t have the problem by getting addicted to the gambling site.The responsibility in the gambling site was depend upon on every single gambler,because some gamblers had take own responsibility of the game.Some countries may ban the gambling site,in such site the gamblers will play with out the knowledge of their own family members.Even their relatives may report him for the gambling involvement to the government officials for small rewards.

It all depends on how each gambler behaves and can be responsible for every gambling activity carried out.
Indeed, gambling addicts will be very different from gamblers who are just having fun and looking for entertainment. If we talk about the long term then anything is possible because gambling addicts will also use various methods to keep betting.
Gambling addicts can borrow money or even sell all the valuables they own for certain amount of money and can continue playing without the problem of lack of capital.
If you do further research, gambling addicts will be braver and also be able to optimize the use of money in gambling because they think what they are doing is the most appropriate.

I don't think gambling addict can have self-control and those who have self-control are also not included in the group of addicts because they can always stay within the limits that have been determined.
Moreover, gambling addicts cannot be separated from gambling activities even for short time because in their minds there is only gambling, betting and fighting for victory.
This is the attitude that always exists and occurs towards all gambling addicts.

Not all countries that prohibit gambling will actually implement the prohibition and some of these countries still exempt gambling with the required taxes.
Similar things happen in many countries.

[Dewi Aries]

On the other hand what you said could be true that although the casino's goal is quite humane by providing the best service with the aim of reducing the level of addiction for the community but it is not wrong if we put a little suspicion about whether there is no other goal that is targeted and focused on by the casino itself. Hmm yes maybe I can also say that this is a new marketing style that will indirectly attract more customers because they feel they will stay safe with such services.

I don't think that the main purpose of casinos doing this is to increase revenue, because obviously the services they provide are to reduce the level of addiction which means that with the reduced interest of gamblers to gamble then obviously in terms of casino revenue will also definitely decrease, but what is more certain is that I think this is a new marketing style to increase the popularity of the casino itself to be more trusted in the eyes of the public.

Apart from this, in my country cigarette companies also open smoking cessation services for cigarette addicts who want to quit. Previously, they were pessimistic and thought what the heck this company was doing, instead it was acting ridiculously. However, after I researched it, after this service appeared, the number of cigarettes in circulation remained the same and actually increased, even many underage children in my country were smoking.

Considering the high cost of advertising on television, this smoking cessation service is like a new style of advertising that can be conveyed to other people, even non-smokers, through word of mouth. And I imagine if this happened in gambling, it would be the same, wouldn't it?

Well after reading your ideas and assumptions about banning people from smoking honestly I remembered something and I found the reason why cigarette companies in your country provide rehabilitation services for addicted people to quit or just reduce it, I explain a little here that they sell cigarettes and maybe if you are also a smoker then I think you have seen that in the cigarette package there is a warning along with a picture that shows the dangers of smoking for health, so that means they sell but make a statement like prohibiting people from buying, for some people it may seem like a silly and unreasonable way of doing business, but the main point here and what we don't realize is that there are two kinds of income that can be generated by cigarette or gambling companies, first they get income from people who buy cigarettes or people who are involved in gambling as usual and the second is that they also get money from addicted  people who will certainly choose to enter the services provided by the company.

This doesn't really affect the number of people involved, because even though they know the dangers,  the company will still promote to keep the balance of the audience coming and even more. I think it's more of a new style of marketing that people don't think about what's behind what the company is doing.

[bangjoe]

Unsure of the direction of this thread but if you are saying that governments put in controls to help people I'd say it's minimal and I don't see an issue with that.  It's like smoking cigarettes, not much countries are doing about that addiction either.  I'd say it revolves mostly around all of the money they rake in from people's addicitions it's sad.

Yes, I can honestly assume that the government would be wasting money if it opened services for people addicted to gambling, if you think about it, it is risky, as if gambling is indirectly encouraged by the government towards its citizens.
Yes it's true that it's like cigarettes, and even if it is, the mechanism is very similar, so the government requires that every casino that operates is the one who organizes the treatment if someone is affected by gambling addiction, and I also see it on many cigarette packs in my country.

But setting a minimum amount, it will interfere with someone in their gambling activities who may play much lower than what has been determined.

[Accardo]

You're right and those stuff that you're saying is obvious already but I have to say that it's not really a good idea to say that external support is useless even if the person that's addicted or needs help in stopping from gambling doesn't want to help themselves. As much as we want all to emphasize that the right thing to happen is for a person to have the will to stop themselves in gambling, a constant support from their loved ones is a good thing even during those denial periods because that could be a factor in speeding up the process because the person that's being supported would find it in their heart to give them what their family wants and try to do a recovery.

Yes, it's like that, the best motivation is from within yourself. Just like when we first tried to gamble, we must also have the responsibility to try to stop. but of course stopping is sometimes not as easy as starting. I've had a few mistakes before, when people warned me not to play too long when winning, but I always played to the end of winning only to end up losing. From this, I feel that I must take full responsibility, both for playing and for stopping gambling. That's why I say input from other people can be useless if we don't follow it and there is rejection from ourselves

Both parties are needed in curing gambling addiction because an addict can't be able to help himself alone without the help of loved ones, but if the loved ones try to help a gambler and he doesn't want to help himself, the whole effort would be useless. If a person isn't determined to stop gambling no amount of therapist would be able to stop him. Therapy is a kind of relationship between the addict and the therapist, if the relationship is not established then no effort would be achieved. The same applies to his loved ones, as they can also act as his therapist, but if the relationship is not there, the concept of therapy won't be achieved. What relationship is it, the need for the therapist and the addict to discuss like friends, ways to stop his addiction. Healing or curing addiction is not about advising the person. The player has to open up to the next person about the things that made him suffer from addiction and how long he's been suffering from the problem.

So, in a situation where the gambler wants to leave gambling, he may not be able to do it on his own, as he can't help it, the brain is now focused mainly on gambling. And most times he may not be able to recognize his actions or decisions. His only escape route out of addiction would be his loved ones. These people can then initiate therapy sessions and help him endeavor to attend his classes with the therapist. He'll also need them to limit him on certain activities, and introduce him to other demanding tasks like sports or volleyball, even associating him with some helpful organization that'll help him to speak up when in trouble. In your case, Masulum, you were still on the recoverable stage of gambling, that's why you were able to stop gambling. I don't think you were addicted. As addiction is too difficult to heal.

[bitgolden]

Each government think difficultly. Some governments will allow gambling for generating tax for them, some governments prevent their citizens from gambling but allow for foreigners only and some governments totally restricted gambling in their countries. But no government can totally stop gambling as there are many ways for gamblers to bypass. So better to work for awareness so that a gambler can become responsible. I like the self exclusion idea and related organization who work for Gambling. This could be important initial step in helping gamblers to control their gambling. If a gambler is dedicative enough then addiction in gambling could be solve. Otherwise there's no problem with responsible gambler who just gambling for entertainment with limit

Liberty means letting people do what they must and the government is there to prevent a chaos, so the question is that would gambling create chaos? I mean in some cases it may, but we see Las Vegas in USA and do we think that they are in chaos because of that?

I mean they ARE in chaos recently to be fair for the past 10 years or so, but I do not see how that's relevant to Las Vegas, or Atlantic city. Or just look at Monaco, they are such a huge nation and gambling is allowed.

There are many places where gambling is allowed, and government has absolutely nothing to worry about, does this mean it can be allowed everywhere? Of course not, some nations are a bit more religious, and if you insist on religion to rule your country, then I am sorry but you won't have any casinos at all, imagine a casino in the middle of Saudi Arabian capital, of course you can't even imagine it, but how come a huge casino at Berlin could be bad? Or Paris? It just doesn't really change anything and doesn't hurt the nation.