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November 06, 2023, 06:05:27 AM
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I think it's all about the mental and emotional game, right? They say not to let your feelings run the show, but let's be real, sometimes fear creeps in, especially when you're HODLing that Bitcoin. I've been on that rollercoaster myself, man. I mean, I'll preach 'HODL' all day, but in reality, it's not always easy to stick to it 100%.
It doesn't have to be a mental challenge or even an emotional one to be honest, I think that if you don't make bitcoin the only thing that revolves around your daily life. Now what I mean by that is that when you invest in bitcoin, you don't have to take it seriously by watching the market 24/7, if you're not a long-term investor I can understand why you have to be checking but for the sake of the topic, you are going to be a long-term HODLer which means that you're aiming for the long run growth of bitcoin, you don't need to worry about the dumps that's inevitable to happen in short-term. To be able to survive the HODLing, I think that you just have to learn to think that bitcoin's going to grow no matter what and your only goal in it is to accumulate until you're ready to profit.



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November 06, 2023, 06:13:15 AM
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Thank you for pointing all these out. I must say that they portray the fear, safety, gains, intents and mistakes HOLDers make while holding their coins and how they should rightly go about it. However, as many might be guilty or careless about some or all, I must say that my own concern is only about the safety of my funds, not the psychology of Hodling them. This is because I've been a trader and investor for almost 2 decades, which is why I see the things of crypto as normal to me.

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As for safely Hodling it, I've set out 5 different non-custodial wallets that are open sources to distribute my coin for safekeeping. By this, all can't be comprised at once.

Not the typical use of "not all the eggs in the same basket", but as per your concern on the safety of your coins, we could say "not your sats in the same wallet", which is also a wise practice. Now I wonder if you have your crypto portfolio diversified or you only hodl Bitcoin: as an investor with 2 decades of experience, I'm curious what your strategy is.

About the art of HODLing, what is easy to understand in the theory is often hard to do, because many people want fast gains with little money. If one hasn't much money, instead of trading or investing short term, they should try to get a good job and DCA like you: only if someone invests the money that can afford to lose won't lose the sleep when things go wrong in the market and will hodl long term without suffering.

Many don't want to hear that, but that's the way it is.

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If I will be permit I love to take this topic to my local board naija "pidgin language".

While you wait for the OP's answer, thanks for the interest in sharing Smiley

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As for safely Hodling it, I've set out 5 different non-custodial wallets that are open sources to distribute my coin for safekeeping. By this, all can't be comprised at once.
you are right.
Not your key not your CoinYou are really wise to keep your tokens or bitcoins in noncustodial wallets.Noncustodial wallets are held in your own hands while custodial wallets are wallets controlled by an organization.These wallets are more likely to be hacked.
If you want to keep your tokens as safe as possible you should always use a non-custodial wallet like Electrum or hardware wallet. So do not use any centralized exchange or wallet or custodial wallet to hold your bitcoins. Examples of some custodial wallets are Binance, Kucoin, etc. On the other hand, there are non-custodial wallets Exodus, Electrum, Mycelium Etc.

I think it's all about the mental and emotional game, right? They say not to let your feelings run the show, but let's be real, sometimes fear creeps in, especially when you're HODLing that Bitcoin. I've been on that rollercoaster myself, man. I mean, I'll preach 'HODL' all day, but in reality, it's not always easy to stick to it 100%.
To be a hodler you must have patience and mental endurance.You can't be a real hodler if you don't wait for the four-year cycle.If you want to invest in a coin or bitcoin for a long time, you must bear stress and hold them until their price increases.When a person buys bitcoins during a certain period of time and holds the money until its price is halved, we call him a real holder.It is not so easy to become a real Hodler.

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To be a hodler you must have patience and mental endurance.You can't be a real hodler if you don't wait for the four-year cycle.
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4 years would be the time, I consider it to be HODLing as well and 4 years at least because as we know, the longer we will wait (in theory), the more profits might be the result.  Smiley



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If I will be permit I love to take this topic to my local board naija "pidgin language".
Your translation would be nice to have, so your request is much appreciated.
I've officially reserved your translation in my list:

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When you are ready, you can announce it here.  Smiley

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I don't like holding through the bull market which is the right time to let go of your Bitcoin, I mean it's just smart to sell your Bitcoin when it's pumping hard and buy back when it's down, I respect the whales that have held for so long and the wallets are not active and I believe this doesn't mean you are dead or lost access to the wallet.

My strategy is buy on the dips and sell everything in the bull market, I will get them back, way cheaper when Bitcoin dumps again, it's true that holding is a pure mental challenge but it shouldn't be if a bull and bear market as happened right in front of you before, there must have been some lessons you learned.

This is why people get rekt in altcoins too, they hold and get too lazy to sell, instead to keep track on price actions, I mean you can do this with crypto trackers, there are few apps that you can use to track price movement online today, always pay attention to price action, once the bull market starts mostly after the halving it's the right time to get focused on price actions.
Attention drawn after your profit have been gotten through bull run i don't see the point of still holding the best i can do is to buy during the bear market. To me that makes much sence then having and leaving it to drop there is no sense in that.  The way the whales show so much interest in holding and so dedicated, they have strong faith in bitcoin and I wonder how they did it to accumulate such amount of Bitcoin.

Your strategy is perfect even for does that don't have much,  the deep is the focus point and have a target once it is reached then sell and wait to do the same thing again. Holding is not just as easy as it looks it is so challenging because you will have different thoughts even to sell. You just have to stick to your gun and not sell. And one thing is that the bear market must come so is the bull market so make proper use of the both seasons is called wisdom.

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November 07, 2023, 12:44:25 AM
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I am going to say right off the top that there are some problems with both how the OP is framed and also with some of the responses within the thread.

Surely many of know and appreciate that there are needs for real world actions, and we cannot just use our minds to accomplish tasks or even to put ourselves into a position in which we are able to continue with a plan that we might have had wanted to carry out or maybe to have had started to carry out.

So, in that regard, I have a lot of doubts about whether any bitcoin related plan could be "purely" a mental challenge, even if there likely is a lot of mental component within any plan that we might attempt to carry out and to follow through with, including that sometimes whatever preparations that we might have made, to carry out the plan, may or may have not had been enough in order to put ourselves into a strong enough position as to follow through with what we had originally intended.

I would not even say that there would necessarily be any kind of absolute need to stick with a plan if the plan is not working, so sometimes there can be legitimate, rational and prudent reasons to actually abandon a plan that had already been started.

Part of any question might be to figure out what our plan is and then to attempt to both follow through with it and to learn along the way, so it could be that we establish a plan to invest into bitcoin for the longer term of 4-10 years or more and to follow a certain strategy to accumulate BTC in a variety of ways that might include lump sum buying, DCA and/or buying on the dip, but then we may also need to reassess our plan from time to time based on our individual financial and psychological factors, but also may have to do with our view of bitcoin.. what did we think about bitcoin when we started to follow our investment plan, and did something about bitcoin change in the process of following our plan that would either contribute to our need to reassess our following of the plan or to tweak the plan or to abandon the plan.

Sometimes bitcoin HODLers will wrongly conclude that either there is something wrong with bitcoin or that there might be some kind of a need to sell BTC when the price is dropping in order to either buy back at a lower price or to just save themselves from losing more than they had initially planned to lose.  Many of these can be mental challenges, but they are also challenges of putting systems in place that might be aggressive, but not so aggressive that it fails to prepare for BTC price moves in either direction, including extreme BTC price moves that go beyond expectations (which we also know happens in BTC from time to time).  

Ultimately we seem to get into a place in which we cannot really have strong assessments regarding how we might act in certain circumstances if we have not gone through a certain level of planning it out, preparing for price moves in either direction, but also engaging in kinds of investing into bitcoin that might border upon aggressiveness but does not go so far as to devolve into gambling, and sometimes if we are not sure about how aggressive that we might be able to be with our bitcoin investment, then it might be better to employ a more whimpy bitcoin approach in order that we don't contribute to our own feelings of stress in the event that the BTC price ends up moving against what we thought that it would do (which largely means going down in price rather than sideways and/or up).

Most of the holders don't have that mental strength to keep on holding. And when they see the price dropping, they sell in panic.
Yeah, maybe we say it easily right now "let's HODL for a very long time" but it's really a different situation, once our stash of Bitcoin has hit 1 million US Dollars or even more. It will be very tempting to sell because after selling it, we would be insanely rich.
So, we can see, it's not easy at all to be a good HODLer.  Cheesy

In any case, I would always try to keep at least a fraction of Bitcoin.
Never sell everything.  Wink
In any case, I have been holding for some time. Quite a bit of time. Around 85% of everything I earn is in my holding account. The rest I am somehow using to survive. I need to sell, because I need money, I need to buy things, but I'm holding myself back. Wait just some days. I know it may sound absurd. But I think if I can somehow pass this moment, I can hit a big. That's why I have been buying whenever I can. As we all know, we are at the peak of bitcoin. The halving will occur pretty soon, in April 2024. So until then, I will keep buying.

Never selling everything, almost holding everything.

You have some good ideas, but it also sounds to me that you have likely put yourself into a status of being over-invested in bitcoin, and you have a bit of a gambling mentality in which you are planning to cash out some of your BTC at a certain point in time after the halvening, while at the same time you don't plan to sell all of your BTC... so you are surely wanting to try to play the waves that may or may not happen and it may or may not work out for you.. though it sounds like you have a decent amount of patience and attempts to plan through some of the potential waves.

Within reason, I personally don't mind the idea of overly investing into bitcoin, but each of us needs to try to make sure that we have our emergency funds covered and our cashflow, so that we do not get into a financial and/or psychological pickle because we had been overly investing into BTC.

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Within reason, I personally don't mind the idea of overly investing into bitcoin, but each of us needs to try to make sure that we have our emergency funds covered and our cashflow, so that we do not get into a financial and/or psychological pickle because we had been overly investing into BTC.
I guess this is something most of don't get, invest what you know you can afford while still being able to live your life the way you live. Bitcoin investment is not ponzi schemes that would crash, so you don't need to panic buy or sell but no body should still be having this mentality,
It's been a year since the FTX crash the term bitcoin is doom is over but bitcoin is still bitcoin with this and the previous challenges bitcoin will rise above all and soon people will see no need for CEX because bitcoin has overcome all the challenges CEX to the crypto world and so opt for DEX and non custodian wallet and it will be bitcoin or bitcoin investment.
Sometimes the biggest issues is during the bull run, though your plan was to HODL for 2 years and suddenly like 6 months time, the process surge some might be tempted to sale even before it reach their expected ROI.

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Being a holder is a talent where you could literally say thay you are a brave person. Some people might fall into such panic when everything tremble in fear but honestly how could you resist those heartbreaking paper loss? Its quite hard right, since its literally something you could not just handle easily. OP is right on the part that to avoid those panic selling is to put up your bitcoin to some wallet that arent prone to direct liquidity like an exchange or wallet app where it can be converted right away since its a temptation we are prone to make.
Stress is a very difficult thing for a person to bear. But those who can withstand stress can achieve success in life. Coping with stress is not only applicable to investing but every activity in human life is equally involved in coping with stress. You will do a job and everyone else including your neighbors will laugh and make bad comments about you for that job. Such bad comments from neighbors will definitely set you back a lot in your work but if you are mentally strong and don't listen or pay attention to these words of people and if you focus fully on your work then success will be yours. When you succeed in your work with hundreds of stress, you will find that those who were criticizing you and those who were making bad comments about your work are praising you. 

Holding your investment for a long time is really stressful. When you invest and hold your investment for a long time, you have to face various challenges. Due to the volatility of the market you may see a lot of money loss temporarily if you are mentally broken then you will not be able to hold on to your investment but when you are mentally strong and these temporary losses will not affect your investment much but  you are successful.

Achieving success by investing and sustaining that investment for a long time is the next step for people to achieve success mentally first. An investor will succeed psychologically only when his mind does not stop him from holding the investment for a long time and he will hold his investment despite facing hundreds of challenges. 
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As a conclusion we should keep in mind: most common mistakes of HODL are quick sales of our valuable BTC. So, we have to be aware and know that HODL is purely a mental challenge.

It's true that HODL is purely a mental challenge where the money market requires us to be able to face unknown financial seas. It's like being the captain of a ship in the middle of thick fog, it will feel awry if you do it or not at that time and your psychology is working.

And we shouldn't store it on file-sharing networks anyways and also not on centralized exchanges because we don't have our private key on such platforms (not your key, not your coins).


Yes. Not only is bitcoin highly volatile, but investors in it and other cryptocurrencies are often targeted by criminals.

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Holding is a mental challenge that every investor must succeed in.
Is it all?, I think it depends on what they plan. All I know, don't have to hold back for long. Investors have their own techniques.
But if indeed he plans for the long term, maybe Hold is a good option. But indeed they must master mental emotions. They must learn to be patient. In addition, they must also have a target when they should take off. Because I know, there are those who hold back but they don't really understand when to sell.

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I completely agree that the real challenge of Hodl is the mentality of the holder himself. Even for those who invest in bitcoin for the first time, many of them fail in this mentality challenge. Because beginners' thinking will usually be like this "Sell when they get a small profit, and hope to buy back when the decline occurs again at a deeper price, but then they panic because the price continues to rise and finally they have FOMO and buy back at a higher price " Grin
This has become a common story that is often encountered by beginners who are learning to invest in crypto and Bitcoin. After repeating the same mistake several times. Only then do they realize and learn from experience and become stronger holders.

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By being mentally tough we mean being normal in all situations. No matter how unfavorable the situation is, you must mentally try to make the situation favorable from Stong. A person is physically strong as can be seen from his physical structure but mentally strong person is one who can handle all the situations properly and can take decision in any situation with a cool head.  

Being mentally strong is so important that the armies of various countries are given special training to be mentally strong beforehand. The physical pressures may be solved with the help of others, but the mental problems that will come in life must be solved by oneself because one can never solve one's own mental problems.

Holding one's investment for a long period of time is very stressful. Not everyone can take this stress. Those who overthink their investments and those who are emotionally weak will not want their time to pass after investing. After investing, they will monitor the market every moment and if the market changes even a little, they will be very broken mentally. If a person who is mentally strong invests in Bitcoin and then if he has a plan to hold his investment for a long time then small changes in the market will not affect him much. Also, since he is very strong mentally, he will not worry much about the market.

Since holding one's investment for a long period of time is a mental challenge, every investor must first have the ability to take on the highest mental challenge. If an investor can take the maximum emotional challenge then the investor can definitely hold his investment for a long time.

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No doubt with HODL is purely a mental challenge, I think not all investors or trader have holder mentality exactly when looking opportunity with bitcoin on higher price and prefer sell it early before reinvesting later when bitcoin have drop. I have bit mistake although as long term holding but I made investment on altcoin and more than three years have been loyal hand keep hold my altcoin assets. Looks have different condition if I choose bitcoin as my holding assets and I believe today have been raise higher price and earn more than 50% profit.

Hold is mentality challenge when some people can't controlling their emotion keep hold their bitcoin fund and never to sell it will be the winner later with their assets going to higher price, but if can't controlling emotion and greedy difficult have holding mentality and will be disappointed one day later when bitcoin raising to most highest price.

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Holding your investment for a long time is really stressful. When you invest and hold your investment for a long time, you have to face various challenges. Due to the volatility of the market you may see a lot of money loss temporarily if you are mentally broken then you will not be able to hold on to your investment but when you are mentally strong and these temporary losses will not affect your investment much but  you are successful.
To be mentally strong in hodli, one must have a proper preparation and make up his mind that he will be hodling for a long period of time and also have a bitcoin target goal. If you are not well prepared by making the calculations of how much you will use to DCA regularly that will not affect your cash flow and also know how much emergency funds that will be kept incase an emergency occurs, you shouldn't use funds for other responsibilities like basic needs to invest in bitcoin if not, you will be trapped with your emotions and sell when it is not at your will of selling.

 When you don't prepare yourself and you think that you can just buy bitcoin and hodli, you will be faced with so many challenges that can end up ruining your plans to hodli for maybe 4yrs and above. The dump and pump is not a problem for someone who uses 10% of his income to DCA weekly or monthly, because he is more focus on accumulating irrespective of bitcoin price at that moment. I will say traders and short term hodlers are the ones that panics in any small fluctuation in bitcoin price. Long term hodlers always win if you can be patient and disciplined.

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November 07, 2023, 03:49:03 PM
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Within reason, I personally don't mind the idea of overly investing into bitcoin, but each of us needs to try to make sure that we have our emergency funds covered and our cashflow, so that we do not get into a financial and/or psychological pickle because we had been overly investing into BTC.
I guess this is something most of don't get, invest what you know you can afford while still being able to live your life the way you live. Bitcoin investment is not ponzi schemes that would crash, so you don't need to panic buy or sell but no body should still be having this mentality,
It's been a year since the FTX crash the term bitcoin is doom is over but bitcoin is still bitcoin with this and the previous challenges bitcoin will rise above all and soon people will see no need for CEX because bitcoin has overcome all the challenges CEX to the crypto world and so opt for DEX and non custodian wallet and it will be bitcoin or bitcoin investment.
Sometimes the biggest issues is during the bull run, though your plan was to HODL for 2 years and suddenly like 6 months time, the process surge some might be tempted to sale even before it reach their expected ROI.

For sure bitcoin investors can do whatever they like when it comes to the creation of longer term plans and whether they abandon those plans (temporarily) because they believe that they are catching some kind of a price wave and expecting a correction. 

I understand the inclination to get into bitcoin and to believe that a 1-2 year plan is long term, when the fact of the matter still remains that bitcoin has had 4-year cycles and is likely going to continue to have 4 year cycles (until they stop), so even when I got into bitcoin in late 2013, I was thinking that my minimum investment time was going to be 1-2 years, so maybe I was saved from myself by the BTC price going down for my first 2 years in  bitcoin rather than it going up.. because surely I am currently thinking that any newbie to bitcoin should be able to come into bitcoin with a 4-10 year or longer plan in order to attempt to help to keep them in an actual longer term investment framework rather than something that is not really long term and is just going to tempt them into playing the price waves.

It is really hard to know how a person can create a system in order to keep themselves from being tempted by attempting to play BTC prices waves which is likely going to end up causing them too much stress when maybe they need to spend their first 4-10 years in bitcoin just building their portfolio, and if they happen to reach some kind of higher than expectations goals, then maybe they can start to consider various ways to cash out.. so for example, anyone who is just starting to invest into bitcoin or anything else is going to take 10 years to get to the point of investing 1 year of their salary if they are merely investing 10% per year, and getting to fuck you status will usually require 20-30 years of salary(living expenses), so surely it can depend on goals, and people will sometimes think that they need to make short term profits so that they can consume or buy a house or a nice car, so I cannot say that I really know how to get them into thinking in terms of real long term rather than their usually wrong thoughts of something less than 4 years as being sufficiently long term and then even ending up playing the waves in even shorter periods of time (such as 6 months like you suggest) merely because the BTC price might have had ended up going up a lot.
Holding your investment for a long time is really stressful.

It seems that if you continue to accumulate bitcoin, then the longer that you are in something like bitcoin, you will likely become less and less stressed from the likely to continue to be volatile price moves. 

Surely in the very beginning of your investment into bitcoin, you might not give too many shits about the price moves because you have hardly invested anything into it, but as your investment grows then you might have more expectations that the BTC price goes up in order to put your investment into profits.

We cannot know what bitcoin's future is going to bring, but if there are greater levels of profits, then perhaps some of the stress might go away, but there still could be some questions about what to do with profits and whether to diversify into other assets if your bitcoin investment becomes too great in comparison to other assets in your investment portfolio, including if it is the ONLY investment (besides cash).

When you invest and hold your investment for a long time, you have to face various challenges. Due to the volatility of the market you may see a lot of money loss temporarily if you are mentally broken then you will not be able to hold on to your investment but when you are mentally strong and these temporary losses will not affect your investment much but  you are successful.

I cannot really disagree with any of this part, except maybe to attempt to clarify that each of us should be attempting to put systems into place in order to help us to deal with bitcoin's volatility, which is likely one of the things closest to inevitable in bitcoin.. we cannot necessarily know the short to medium direction of bitcoin's price but we should be able to expect that it is nearly inevitably going to be volatile in one direction or another and it is not necessarily going to be in the direction (UP) that we prefer it to be volatile.. even though historically BTC's price has tended upward, the upward movement is not guaranteed, even though there are ongoingly great systematic factors that are continuing to put upwards pressures on its prices.

Achieving success by investing and sustaining that investment for a long time is the next step for people to achieve success mentally first.

I personally believe that putting good systems in place helps mentality, even if things might not go in your preferred direction, if you have good systems in place, including being both financially and mentally prepared for either price direction, and you are able to act upon movements in either direction, then your ongoing actions in light of anything that happens are likely going to contribute towards your being (and feeling) mentally stronger.
 
An investor will succeed psychologically only when his mind does not stop him from holding the investment for a long time and he will hold his investment despite facing hundreds of challenges. 
Holding is a mental challenge that every investor must succeed in.

A person can have various plans that do not necessarily include HODLing under all circumstances, and so there might be plans to accumulate bitcoin up to a certain point and even to have various accumulation practices in place that connect with the person's cashflow situation, but then there also could be scenarios to deal with BTC price volatility, and if a person has already reached sufficient levels of BTC accumulation through DCA and other methods, then the next portion might just be dealing with price movements, so if the price goes down to buy and if the price goes up to sell.. but no need to sell very much because none of us should want to deplete our BTC or even to run low on it, even if the BTC price goes up a lot...

On the other hand if we are buying on the way down, we may well run out of money to buy, and then we either have to choose to revert to DCA buying or to just HODL, and HODLing does seem to be a better strategy for when we run out of money and the price is going down, but it does not seem to be a great strategy for when the price is going up, except to make sure that we are not selling too much BTC if the price is going up. .., so frequently people resort to HODL when the BTC price is going up because they frequently have difficulties understanding ideas of moderation and devolve into thinking that if if they sell, then they need to sell large amounts... which seems to me that anyone who understands BTC would want to make sure that they never sell all of their BTC and probably not even large parts of the BTC, even though it should be understood and accepted that selling parts of your BTC holdings is a prudent way to manage your BTC once you have reached higher levels of BTC, but if you are in early stages of BTC accumulation, then selling is not a method to accumulate more BTC.. so then HODLing would make sense for any one who is relatively early in their BTC accumulation journey, which may well take 4-10 years or longer to reach BTC accumulation target levels.

Holding is a mental challenge that every investor must succeed in.
Is it all?, I think it depends on what they plan. All I know, don't have to hold back for long. Investors have their own techniques.
But if indeed he plans for the long term, maybe Hold is a good option. But indeed they must master mental emotions. They must learn to be patient. In addition, they must also have a target when they should take off. Because I know, there are those who hold back but they don't really understand when to sell.

Part of the question is also how much to sell... because there may be no reason to ever sell more than half of your bitcoin  (or whatever amount that you don't want to sell until much further down the road), but at the same time, if someone does not manage his/her holdings by including selling on the way up, then that person is likely to put themselves in higher mental stress. 

On the other hand, even though there might be stress from highly volatile price moves, but if someone is still within the first 4 years of accumulating and either has not even gone through a whole BTC cycle while accumulating BTC or did not front load a lot into the investment, then there is likely no reason to sell any BTC while trying to build a position. 

Once the position is built, then that might be another story... so for example, regular people might take 30-40 or more years to get to fuck you status, and surely many people never get there... so if someone is new to investing expects to get to fuck you status in less than 10 years, then they may well be living in a fanatasy.. but if they are considering getting close to fuck you status in half the time of regular people such as 15-20 years, then that might be more realistic kind of preparations, and surely there can be ways to deal with BTC portfolios that involve selling that comes prior to reaching fuck you status as forms of managing the holdings, but it still seems to be better to build a decently sized position first, whether that is 50% of annual income/expenses or maybe 1x to 2x of annual income/expenses or perhaps some higher amount.

So, selling BTC on the way up might not be a good way to accumulate more BTC it could be a good way to manage BTC holdings and/or psychology, and there can be some challenging balancing in terms of considerations how to treat one's BTC's holdings if they might still be quite a ways away from still reaching their BTC accumulation levels... and we are not all going to reach the same conclusions on how to make those kinds of trade offs, including considering how to manage and/or play the inevitable upcoming and ongoing BTC price waves.

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However, it is indeed essential to wait, because most common errors from HODL are:

- Sold all BTC too early to realize (small) profits
- Sold all BTC too early to minimize losses in case of decreasing prices
I a gree with you. Because it is true that most bitcoin investors who are HOLDERS are tempted by these two factors. Maybe if you think about it at a glance, these two factors lead to the aspect of minimizing the risk of loss. But even so, basically these two factors will be a big obstacle to achieving higher goals in terms of making a profit. So bitcoin investors who are HODLers should not be tempted by these two factors or two situations like that.

Additional mistakes can be dangerous coin storage practices, for example on a file-sharing platform, which is increasing risks of getting hacked. But in my post and for advanced Bitcoin HODLers it is assumed our coins are stored properly, which HODL also invites us to do, because HODL only required to transfer our coins on very rare occasions (if at all), which minimizes transferring or storage errors.
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Therefore, when starting to invest in bitcoin in the long term, we must have a definite goal regarding at what price we will sell the bitcoin. Because if there is no price target, I think it will most likely affect our mentality. Especially if you want to transact bitcoin and look for short-term profits, in my opinion this is not recommended if we invest in bitcoin in the long term. Because as OP said, we only need to send the bitcoins we have at certain times. In my personal opinion, this only needs to be done if the target selling price has been achieved.

So in conclusion, I agree with OP's opinion that HODLer bitcoin is indeed a mental challenge. Because if a HODLer doesn't have a strong enough mentality to face conditions such as falling prices or wanting to quickly make (small) profits. I believe investors who have that mentality will likely never get the most out of bitcoin.

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I completely agree that the real challenge of Hodl is the mentality of the holder himself. Even for those who invest in bitcoin for the first time, many of them fail in this mentality challenge. Because beginners' thinking will usually be like this "Sell when they get a small profit, and hope to buy back when the decline occurs again at a deeper price, but then they panic because the price continues to rise and finally they have FOMO and buy back at a higher price " Grin
This has become a common story that is often encountered by beginners who are learning to invest in crypto and Bitcoin. After repeating the same mistake several times. Only then do they realize and learn from experience and become stronger holders.
A HODL will be tested in his mentality for a long time, how he trains this patience by facing uncertain market situations sometimes influenced by FUD that comes unexpectedly, so strengthening the mentality is very important and how to overcome this is not affected which in the end you can successfully HODL bitcoin for a long time.

A beginner who is new to investing in bitcoin will experience ups and downs because their mentality is still weak but it can be strong if he learns a lot here about how to HODL bitcoin for a long time without any obstacles, maybe at first it will feel hard for this when the price goes up it feels like selling but when he trains not to sell in the near future then over time he will get used to it as long as you don't panic too much and pay attention to the market every day it's clear that it will disturb your mind to hold it.

I myself have arranged such a strategy to remain HODL for a long time, adjusting the flow to keep buying bitcoin by means of DCA, there is still a monthly income for living needs, the important thing is that you have covered enough living needs, then believe your HODL will not experience such heavy obstacles because there is still spare money that does not need to sell BTC for other purposes.

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I personally believe that putting good systems in place helps mentality, even if things might not go in your preferred direction, if you have good systems in place, including being both financially and mentally prepared for either price direction, and you are able to act upon movements in either direction, then your ongoing actions in light of anything that happens are likely going to contribute towards your being (and feeling) mentally stronger.
 

A good plan or as you would put it "a good system" is the only way that one can get his holdings secure and avoid certain drama's and distraction that might lead to tempering with his holding, although such drama's are inevitable in life so only a good system can help you evade or adjust so that much effect won't be on your side. But I would also like to point out that setting a good system isn't just going to cut it as one would still need a certain amount of discipline to actually execute or make this system active because I believe most people lack discipline in sticking to the actual plan and that's the main reason for many Bitcoin investor actually not holding till the end but a good system helps limit the amount of self discipline because a good plan and a keen mind is what is needed as a Bitcoin holder.

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