Before you take sides

[borovichok]

You can't also ignore the fact that there are casinos who are trying to do the best they can to prevent people from winning too much. That's also a fact that is hard to deny. Though you are right, there are people who are trying to cheat the system to beat the casino, and they don't go unpunished especially if the time comes that they won so much that the casino can now take action to restrict their accounts.

It's always good to exercise fair judgment by seeing the facts first. So far, I think no one here jumps on the casinos on the first chance they get. They wait for evidences first before giving their inputs against the platform.

Gamblers will always stray from the path as a result of their frantic desire for earning monetary resources. I've learned to thoroughly understand the expectations of my decisions; we should do our best to follow the terms and conditions of these casinos because when they find one gambler out of line, it will almost certainly result in permanent bans of his account; despite being their customer, they don't care; all they care about is maintaining a streak of disciplinary measures in order to keep the casino running. When it comes to gambling, we all have various ideas and viewpoints. Don't be too fast to criticize because one may be unaware of how the system works, and obnoxious players always employ criminal assistance.

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[ethereumhunter]

I agree with you that no one should believe in stories that they hear from someone if it's just one-sided and there isn't strong evidence to back the statements being made. However, I'm not ready to believe that things like these don't happen and even if a casino is reputable or has a lot of trust in the community, they will still at least take some action if they see that a gambler is winning way more than they should and it might be affecting them.

So, casinos are not really that decent when it comes to giving away profits to gamblers because they might be losing money themselves and that isn't good for their business. That being said, you are right that one shouldn't take sides for a one-sided story and should ask for some evidence when someone blames a casino.

Things like that can happen in casinos because if the situation were to reverse and we were casino owners, we would not be happy if there were one or several gamblers who could win continuously. We will prohibit them from following or participating in the programs we hold at our casino, especially if they win more often. And if there are stories like that, we can only follow them and hopefully, it doesn't happen to us, especially if we can win a lot of money so that we can still participate in the promotions run by the casino.

Indeed, it is not good for the casino to make a ban like that, but gamblers have another option, which is looking for a different casino. And incidents like that can happen so we have to be able to understand them.

[Crypt0Gore]

Hmm, it sounds right but I still don't believe that every stories are lies, some casinos will rob shit on your face and tell the world they did it, like you can't hold them against anything, they have the right, that's casinos that don't care about their customers and reputations, I view such casinos as short term business, it's a proof that they don't plan on running the business for a long period of time.

My answer is not side is pure, some do good with their customers even if they win millions from their casinos and some will ban you after winning, I don't like the sound of it either but this problem will easily occur on a new casino or a casino that's struggling, that's why popular casinos are better.

I really wish that casinos can come out and start defending themselves, this will stop many people from using wrong accusations on online casinos, some are intentionally doing it because they lost a lot of money and they also knew that the casinos won't come out to defend themselves because they don't just have the time.

[mindrust]

True. Not every victim is innocent. Sometimes they are unknowingly break the ToS of the casino and then they claim they didn’t do any wrongdoings. They aren’t lying since they don’t know what offense they committed. Sometimes on the other hand, they just lie because it is easier to blame somebody else for his own mistakes. It is just human nature. People don’t like to take responsibility for their own actions sometimes. Even murderers do this because if they come up with a story that’s good enough, the judge might believe that it was self-defense.

[Huppercase]

We all know how people used to be protective when trying to explain how someone treated them badly, they always want to be the winner and if you are not smart you can fight the wrong war for them, later you will find out that they are the problem.

Gamblers are telling stories about how they got banned because they are winning too much, I will like to tell you not to believe everything people tell you, these stories typically have another side of the story, there is a high probability that these gamblers have broken some rules along the way.

For reputable casinos, banning players that have won a lot of money legally is bad for their business, the casinos knows that the word of the mouth spreads faster than anything, so I believe that a reputable casino do their strong research before they use their ban hammer.

Before you take sides with gamblers claiming they get banned for winning too much, remember that casinos are good at monitoring and preventing fraudulent behaviors, you break some rules you are out, and no cheater want to admit that they cheat.

It doesn't even make sense when gambler and the underlying platform fight for difference but of course, if there is money involved, evidence must be provided. However, don't understand why the forum casinos don't like to show evidence or proof of what happened, at least it will help the judges(DT in the Forum) to make decisions, if it was the user that is guilty or the casino but they don't provide anything and for that, to remain neutral, I better give my small opinion but wouldn't meddle with what I don't have power over.

As a top tier casino that has used forum ads, they should know better that when in Rome, you have to act like you're in Rome. They should always provide evidence when it's needed and to avoid stories that touch, I don't like some of the casinos we have in this forum, I used the few I trust and hasn't been called out and even when they are called out, they are just minor issues which understanding term are reach to keep reputation for their customers.

[CarnagexD]

True. Not every victim is innocent. Sometimes they are unknowingly break the ToS of the casino and then they claim they didn’t do any wrongdoings. They aren’t lying since they don’t know what offense they committed. Sometimes on the other hand, they just lie because it is easier to blame somebody else for his own mistakes. It is just human nature. People don’t like to take responsibility for their own actions sometimes. Even murderers do this because if they come up with a story that’s good enough, the judge might believe that it was self-defense.

I think both the casinos and gamblers have their fair share of malpractice. Casinos might use manipulative tactics to keep players hooked, while some gamblers might attempt to cheat to win. It just depends on the number of people who’ll believe either side of the story, whic can be manipulated too! In the end, both are still inbthe game because both wants money. But then, research is so important. Let’s not normalize passing unverified stories and when you know you are on the right side, be firm about it. Not because many believe or do the wrong thing does not mean it is right.

[livingfree]

When the victim tends to say that they've been abused and they've been done wrong by the casino, the belief of everyone is on them because they're only telling one side of their stories. They won't admit what they did wrong to make it look like the problem is from the casino.

On the other side, the casinos will just tell what's the cause of the actions and decisions they've placed to that complaining user.

It's always good to ask the both side of the stories and just keep yourself neutral until your assessment is clear on which side you want to make. Just keep yourself open to any thoughts and possibilities before taking someone's side.

[Gozie51]

True. Not every victim is innocent. Sometimes they are unknowingly break the ToS of the casino and then they claim they didn’t do any wrongdoings. They aren’t lying since they don’t know what offense they committed. Sometimes on the other hand, they just lie because it is easier to blame somebody else for his own mistakes. It is just human nature. People don’t like to take responsibility for their own actions sometimes. Even murderers do this because if they come up with a story that’s good enough, the judge might believe that it was self-defense.

In the case of casino, most complaints have violated the rules before they get a ban from the casino. In the case of crime, the judge may know that the accused is lying I might till have mercy on the person not to give very hard judgement or punishment but casinos protect their image and will hardly go back from the ban because they don't want to lose money from the player again. In casino business, it is between the player and the casino and so it is more serious, if the gambler gets a ban it means they have done some cheating against them. I understand your but though but we need to be sure that the player who is complaining is fair enough before complaining.

[abel1337]

We all know how people used to be protective when trying to explain how someone treated them badly, they always want to be the winner and if you are not smart you can fight the wrong war for them, later you will find out that they are the problem.

Gamblers are telling stories about how they got banned because they are winning too much, I will like to tell you not to believe everything people tell you, these stories typically have another side of the story, there is a high probability that these gamblers have broken some rules along the way.

For reputable casinos, banning players that have won a lot of money legally is bad for their business, the casinos knows that the word of the mouth spreads faster than anything, so I believe that a reputable casino do their strong research before they use their ban hammer.

Before you take sides with gamblers claiming they get banned for winning too much, remember that casinos are good at monitoring and preventing fraudulent behaviors, you break some rules you are out, and no cheater want to admit that they cheat.

There's a lot of post like that here and it's hard to accept the allegation instantly about the casino banning them. For sure there's a reason why the casino banned them especially if it came from a well known reputable casino. This is why it is important to have a active casino representative here to share their sides about the incident. We need the other side of the story to prove who is right and who is wrong depending on the reasons and proofs of both sides. There are casinos before who mistakenly banned gamblers and casinos who banned them for no exact reason, the allegations we seen before are also the same, just to tarnish the image of the casino.

Both parties had proof and reason = easy to find out who we need to side.

[Finestream]

Gamblers are taught how to be wise but we all know that the casino itself is much wiser than its players. That's why if some gamblers accuse the casino for being not fair to their rules because they were being banned, I think the casino itself has its own valid reason why they do such banning. It's either these players create injustice to their games, or they are just irresponsible gamblers who don't know how to respect their rules and still act as if they were the victims. So every side has its own story, but as far as I know, a reputable casino won't waste its time doing things that will certainly ruin their reputation that they have built for a very long time.

[danherbias07]

Hmm, it sounds right but I still don't believe that every stories are lies, some casinos will rob shit on your face and tell the world they did it, like you can't hold them against anything, they have the right, that's casinos that don't care about their customers and reputations, I view such casinos as short term business, it's a proof that they don't plan on running the business for a long period of time.

My answer is not side is pure, some do good with their customers even if they win millions from their casinos and some will ban you after winning, I don't like the sound of it either but this problem will easily occur on a new casino or a casino that's struggling, that's why popular casinos are better.

I really wish that casinos can come out and start defending themselves, this will stop many people from using wrong accusations on online casinos, some are intentionally doing it because they lost a lot of money and they also knew that the casinos won't come out to defend themselves because they don't just have the time.

There's always just one reason for it. You took the risk, that's why its a gamble.
But sometimes gamblers are looking for the RTP. They just want to experience the gambling site giving back to them what is for them.
What if for a month you are always in red? Hatred will probably build up and a gambler will say he is being robbed which I do understand after playing the games for quite some time. It's truly a robbery in disguise. The motto of "the house will always win" is real. We cannot win against them and the only perks we have is the bonuses that will be given.
I didn't really mind gamblers who say they were robbed back then until I myself have witnessed it. We should be wise on when to get out because the chances of the gambling site trying to get all back the winnings is high.

[goldkingcoiner]

We all know how people used to be protective when trying to explain how someone treated them badly, they always want to be the winner and if you are not smart you can fight the wrong war for them, later you will find out that they are the problem.

Gamblers are telling stories about how they got banned because they are winning too much, I will like to tell you not to believe everything people tell you, these stories typically have another side of the story, there is a high probability that these gamblers have broken some rules along the way.

For reputable casinos, banning players that have won a lot of money legally is bad for their business, the casinos knows that the word of the mouth spreads faster than anything, so I believe that a reputable casino do their strong research before they use their ban hammer.

Before you take sides with gamblers claiming they get banned for winning too much, remember that casinos are good at monitoring and preventing fraudulent behaviors, you break some rules you are out, and no cheater want to admit that they cheat.

I think that most people who cheat and get caught, only to later come here on this forum to complain about/accuse the online gambling casino of scamming them are people who cannot hold themselves to a personal standard of honor and justice. But casinos also have made mistakes in the past and they need to be held accountable. So we should not judge before we have all the facts and all the evidence. Only after investigating objectively, we can make an honest assumption of what really transpired between the gambler and the casino.

We are not arbiters but the casinos should know not to disrespect their gamblers or any connected communities. Not only are they a major source of new gamblers but also a major source of new ideas. That alone deserves respect. And if the casinos decide to openly disrespect their community, then they should suffer the consequences.

For them its a business, for us it is community entertainment.

[Accardo]

True. Not every victim is innocent. Sometimes they are unknowingly break the ToS of the casino and then they claim they didn’t do any wrongdoings. They aren’t lying since they don’t know what offense they committed. Sometimes on the other hand, they just lie because it is easier to blame somebody else for his own mistakes. It is just human nature. People don’t like to take responsibility for their own actions sometimes. Even murderers do this because if they come up with a story that’s good enough, the judge might believe that it was self-defense.

I think both the casinos and gamblers have their fair share of malpractice. Casinos might use manipulative tactics to keep players hooked, while some gamblers might attempt to cheat to win. It just depends on the number of people who’ll believe either side of the story, whic can be manipulated too! In the end, both are still inbthe game because both wants money. But then, research is so important. Let’s not normalize passing unverified stories and when you know you are on the right side, be firm about it. Not because many believe or do the wrong thing does not mean it is right.

Gambling on casinos is like a war between the player and the house. Anything can happen, It's either we win or lose. Not just in the game, but with our arguments with the casino. The story is weighed on the provided legitimate evidence, in court. In places like a gambling forum, such stories can be manipulated by the player or the casino representative. Who wish to do a good job to cover for their reputation. People can't lie often without making mistakes. Even if they do it perfectly in one case, they could fail on another. When the casino and the player explains the cause of their problem or dispute. The community will evaluate it and side who's saying what sounds like the truth. Because, we're evaluating a case involving whooping amount of money, the both parties must be present. In most threads, the casino rep wouldn't show up to clear the air. How then do you expect members to evaluate the problem. They'll easily believe the player with his evidence. Whether manipulated or not. Though he may not be funded or refunded by the casino, but the reputation it costs them will mean a lot. It is the responsibility of the casino to watch any reputation thread concerning them, to always defend themselves. Nobody will believe the casino if the player is saying the truth and vice versa.

Hence, if a victim unknowingly boycotts the TOS of a casino, nobody will side them. It's the player's fault. Yet to some extent, like my previous response said; why right about now? after winning big. Once the casino agrees with the player's evidence that he won big. Then got denied of his winning, for breaking some TOS. The interpretation is clear. The casino punished him because he won big. A good number of critics will see to it that way. That's why most a times, the player wins the case. On the other flip, if a player losses serially and got banned, such cases doesn't appear anywhere. Hope that stairs a reasonable argument, that's why sometimes the casino go Scot free too. Like I said earlier, it's a both sided fight. While some follow the story line of the casino as the truth, others will definitely believe the player. Whoever, however, whenever, wins the fight goes home victorious.

[Strongkored]

We see a lot of stories like that, but when representatives from the casino start to answer all the accusations, finally everything starts to become clear, it is difficult to admit a mistake, especially if it was something that was done intentionally by outsmarting the betting site.
I agree that betting sites will not ban user accounts without a clear reason and if this is done without a reason then it is clear that the betting site is a site for cheating because we see this also exists in the world of gambling, as is done by one of the betting sites in this forum has a lot of unresolved complaints, but they still get new players and these players end up having an unpleasant situation where their funds cannot be withdrawn.

[LUCKMCFLY]

We should hear both sides of the stories before take sides. But let's be honest here, gamblers will definitely take sides with their fellow gamblers and the casinos have no other option than to protect themselves whichever way they can.

Some gamblers behave quite unruly when they are at the casino and getting them banned is the safest and easiest way for them protect themselves just as you would to your business should someone try to act foolishly around your business premises.

I think those gamblers who get banned and come out to share their stories are those who know that they didn't break any of the casino rules. But those who are banned and can't say it because they know they were caught cheating or doing something against the casinos. They can't face the public because they know that they will be criticized heavily.

Some are just throwing accuse and some are just being ignorant of the issues. There are also times both are wrong such that if the player has violated something and the platform did not bother explaining it to the player. If both are showing proofs and are explaining oneself then it should be better to not take any side and let things be put into its place; communicate. A platform if it gives importance to its reputation will not simply allow it to be ruined by a single player hence they should make an action. A player on the other hand won’t stay quiet if the platform suddenly hold his/her funds without any warning or clarification. Taking side in this instance will just make the issue bigger as well as delay the solution.

Well, when it comes to doing things in the casinos there are usually a lot of problems, there are always the usual trolls that you don't know how to deal with them, where the best thing is to criticize them, those who really make mistakes in the casinos and that violate the rules and are drooled, but I have rarely seen casinos that retract due to their wrong behavior with the players, at the time, in these cases you seem quite strange to me, because the casinos always have many methods of defense Personally, some only make themselves known so that they can do other types of things, first, a person believes that they will always be right, second, if there is a vulnerability or something that a player has committed, well sometimes the It's not the player's fault, it's the casino's own fault for allowing these things, the programming is intended for this, there is a case where they talked about a player on Rollbit where they banned him and the truth is I don't know the reason why they banned him, because According to the case, for me the player did nothing wrong, I don't know if the casino's vulnerabilities include the fact that he didn't comply with a KYC and yet they let him pass and things went wrong but for the player. It seems that he didn't appreciate it at all either, so sometimes the casinos take such strange initiatives, that I really don't know where the mistake was, or the infraction that the casino discovered.


There are also many times that some players stick with a casino to hurt them and invent certain situations to get money from them, and when they do it, they have no proof or screenshots, so that is something very empty, and it is usually done by someone with new accounts, then things don't work like that for new accounts, you may be a novice exposing the topic, but you must know how to do it, that is, with its corresponding tests, such as showing the tests , screenshots , and everything necessary to being able to know what can be deferred to or not.

[Sanitough]

I always believe that in every situation, there’s always two sides of the story. And if the gambler has accuse the casino, that’s when I start thinking that there’s also something wrong with this gambler why the casino has banned him or restricted his account that he won’t be able to bet again. I don’t consider the gambler’s side, nor the casino’s side. But one thing is certain, the casino won’t easily end up with its final decision if the gambler has never commit a mistake or has never break a rule in the first place.

[bocyaj]

The gambler was mostly try to get the win from the game,but the probability of winning from the gambling is very low.The gambler with experience will know the gambling win was based on the luck of the gambler.The gambler may wish to earn more money from the gambling win,but every win had their own dedication by the gambler and practise in the game.The gambler with the responsibility will consider the gambling as their fun based game.They never take the gambling as the source of income.

[Distinctin]

Gamblers have given the freedom to say what’s in their mind, and if they think they are being cheated or the casino games have been rigged, they will surely voice out everything to call the attention of the casino. But we also know reputable casinos are smarter enough to manage all these accusations especially if those gamblers are the ones at fault. And I believe before the casino resort into banning this certain gambler, most especially if it’s a long time gambler in their casino, they have researched well already and found out everything the wrong behaviors of the gambler.

[Saint-loup]

We all know how people used to be protective when trying to explain how someone treated them badly, they always want to be the winner and if you are not smart you can fight the wrong war for them, later you will find out that they are the problem.

Gamblers are telling stories about how they got banned because they are winning too much, I will like to tell you not to believe everything people tell you, these stories typically have another side of the story, there is a high probability that these gamblers have broken some rules along the way.

For reputable casinos, banning players that have won a lot of money legally is bad for their business, the casinos knows that the word of the mouth spreads faster than anything, so I believe that a reputable casino do their strong research before they use their ban hammer.

Before you take sides with gamblers claiming they get banned for winning too much, remember that casinos are good at monitoring and preventing fraudulent behaviors, you break some rules you are out, and no cheater want to admit that they cheat.

You must be a beginner, if you don't know that because it's a well known fact in the gambling industry bro, casinos are profit-oriented businesses, and very skilled or lucky players can pose financial risks to them. So they limit or ban such players to protect their profits. It's rare for (online) casino games gamblers but it's very common for sport bettors. Actually, if casinos/sportsbooks were as fair and honest as you claim, they would write explicitly in their terms and conditions that they don't ban or restrict account of winners, or they would at least tell it in their advertisements, but that's not the case, their ToS are mostly vague on that matter letting them doing it without saying it explicitly to avoid bad reputation.
Telling this kind of things here, in the gambling section it's advocating for scammy and dishonest platforms and defaming victims, so I would be careful if I was you because some DT members could give you a red tag for that.

[Onyeeze]

Op you are at right track because for a gambling platform to block someone account that means that person most have broken the rules and regulations of the gambling platform, because I know very well that gambling platform have to do with instructions especially casinos, like some people do not like verify their account before depositing or withdrawing a platform of casino as it is being instructed by the platform, so this is one of the issues that may cause issues for a casino platform to block an account of their patronize, let us try to admit to gamble rules and regulations because the site is owned by someone.