[Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)

[TravelMug]

Boxing is not a beauty pageant your skill and power and your behavior are what will get you more support and fans boxing is mainly a man's sport so looks don't matter, Garcia gained a lot of fans because of his speed and skill that he showed off in his social media account and the way he fights but if he keeps losing like the way he loses against Gervonta I don't think he can maintain his followers and supporters, you will only retain your supporters if you keep on winning but once you take a lot of losses your reputation and popularity will slide.

That's right and the pressure is on this guy because he was all hyped and it was proved by Davis in their last fight now that he already got his first loss, he should strive to improve himself by not exaggerating in his videos rather he needs to show the world how skillful he is in this upcoming fight. Honestly, he cannot afford to lose this one and expect to have a blockbuster fight once again, he needs to keep winning in order to convince the fans that he deserves to be watched and supported in all of his fights.

I do think that Ryan Garcia still has the hype behind him, even if he get his first lost against Tank Davis. I mean Davis is one of the best on that division, we can argue that he is, besides the unified champion in Devin Haney. So there's nothing that he can do in that weight and there are many stipulations that go against him when he sign the contract. So they are slowing rebuilding his name again by fighting a good knockout artist but haven't been in 140 lbs in Oscar Duarte. It's just me though, even if he afford to lose, maybe he can salvage his career but it might take sometime again. Just like what AJ is right now, back to back loses from Usyk, and yet he is still wanted to fight and will have to go against Wilder in the future as both of them have tune up fights schedule.

[inthelongrun]

Boxing is not a beauty pageant your skill and power and your behavior are what will get you more support and fans boxing is mainly a man's sport so looks don't matter, Garcia gained a lot of fans because of his speed and skill that he showed off in his social media account and the way he fights but if he keeps losing like the way he loses against Gervonta I don't think he can maintain his followers and supporters, you will only retain your supporters if you keep on winning but once you take a lot of losses your reputation and popularity will slide.

That's right and the pressure is on this guy because he was all hyped and it was proved by Davis in their last fight now that he already got his first loss, he should strive to improve himself by not exaggerating in his videos rather he needs to show the world how skillful he is in this upcoming fight. Honestly, he cannot afford to lose this one and expect to have a blockbuster fight once again, he needs to keep winning in order to convince the fans that he deserves to be watched and supported in all of his fights.

I do think that Ryan Garcia still has the hype behind him, even if he get his first lost against Tank Davis. I mean Davis is one of the best on that division, we can argue that he is, besides the unified champion in Devin Haney. So there's nothing that he can do in that weight and there are many stipulations that go against him when he sign the contract. So they are slowing rebuilding his name again by fighting a good knockout artist but haven't been in 140 lbs in Oscar Duarte. It's just me though, even if he afford to lose, maybe he can salvage his career but it might take sometime again. Just like what AJ is right now, back to back loses from Usyk, and yet he is still wanted to fight and will have to go against Wilder in the future as both of them have tune up fights schedule.

Well, Ryan has over 10 million followers on Instagram which made him rich even if he stops boxing. So I can't blame him for his exaggerated videos because he's got a lot of fans on social media. But I'm a hardcore boxing fan so I want him to get knocked out again.

I don't know if Tank Davis is one of the best in the division because he's unproven. He's been in the division for years already but he never thought about fighting for the belts except talking and hyping himself. Haney, Shakur, Loma, and even Kambosos fought for the belts and proved their place in the division. I heard Kambosos and Loma might fight for the vacant IBF belt if Haney wins over Prograis. I guess Tank can get a free belt since his paper belt can be elevated by the WBA as its real champion if Haney vacates all his belts in favor of staying at 140.

[TravelMug]

Boxing is not a beauty pageant your skill and power and your behavior are what will get you more support and fans boxing is mainly a man's sport so looks don't matter, Garcia gained a lot of fans because of his speed and skill that he showed off in his social media account and the way he fights but if he keeps losing like the way he loses against Gervonta I don't think he can maintain his followers and supporters, you will only retain your supporters if you keep on winning but once you take a lot of losses your reputation and popularity will slide.

That's right and the pressure is on this guy because he was all hyped and it was proved by Davis in their last fight now that he already got his first loss, he should strive to improve himself by not exaggerating in his videos rather he needs to show the world how skillful he is in this upcoming fight. Honestly, he cannot afford to lose this one and expect to have a blockbuster fight once again, he needs to keep winning in order to convince the fans that he deserves to be watched and supported in all of his fights.

I do think that Ryan Garcia still has the hype behind him, even if he get his first lost against Tank Davis. I mean Davis is one of the best on that division, we can argue that he is, besides the unified champion in Devin Haney. So there's nothing that he can do in that weight and there are many stipulations that go against him when he sign the contract. So they are slowing rebuilding his name again by fighting a good knockout artist but haven't been in 140 lbs in Oscar Duarte. It's just me though, even if he afford to lose, maybe he can salvage his career but it might take sometime again. Just like what AJ is right now, back to back loses from Usyk, and yet he is still wanted to fight and will have to go against Wilder in the future as both of them have tune up fights schedule.

Well, Ryan has over 10 million followers on Instagram which made him rich even if he stops boxing. So I can't blame him for his exaggerated videos because he's got a lot of fans on social media. But I'm a hardcore boxing fan so I want him to get knocked out again.

I think majority here is at least a knowledgeable boxing fans, not hardcore but know their boxing. Maybe it wall started with the Manny Pacman bandwagon or they really love the sports of boxing.

I don't know if Tank Davis is one of the best in the division because he's unproven. He's been in the division for years already but he never thought about fighting for the belts except talking and hyping himself. Haney, Shakur, Loma, and even Kambosos fought for the belts and proved their place in the division. I heard Kambosos and Loma might fight for the vacant IBF belt if Haney wins over Prograis. I guess Tank can get a free belt since his paper belt can be elevated by the WBA as its real champion if Haney vacates all his belts in favor of staying at 140.

I do agree, Tank doesn't have the belt at least at 135 lbs because Haney have it. He fought Garcia for the obvious reason of the biggest paycheck that he will get and I think he will continue to do that. So we might not see him fighting the likes of Haney or Shakur yet, yeah, I also saw that news about Loma and Kambosos, and as far as we remember that is the place before, however, Loma changes everything when he goes to his native country to defend and then Kambosos losing the belt already. But still good though to see them fight, all in-house money again for TR.

[Hirose UK]

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You've got a point there mate, but this is Garcia's fight and he should win it. If things go sour and it goes the full 12 rounds, for sure the judges will favor Garcia if nothing significant that somehow could sway the fight in favor of Duarte.

I've read on his social media that he will go for the Davis rematch but not sure about what weight because if that would still be held at 135-pound then the outcome would still be the same but I don't also think that Davis would go up in weight to fight him so most likely he would a rematch would not happen if Garcia won't go down in weight.

His name, popularity and career are greatly influenced in this fight so Garcia must really be able to survive to win no matter what, I sure his new trainer has prepared Garcia to face Duarte.
It just what the fight will be like because if Garcia can't finish with knockout victory and it ends in the 12th round then there is also chance that Duarte will win.
But let just wait, we'll really see how it goes and can see whether Garcia will be what we expect or not.

Indeed, there are rumors that Garcia could have rematch with Davis, but yes, it is also true that there are weight issues between the two that make it possible that they will never be the same.
But if there is rematch, it will be quite dangerous for Garcia because if he loses again to Davis, you can be sure that Garcia name will decline drastically.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

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You've got a point there mate, but this is Garcia's fight and he should win it. If things go sour and it goes the full 12 rounds, for sure the judges will favor Garcia if nothing significant that somehow could sway the fight in favor of Duarte.

I've read on his social media that he will go for the Davis rematch but not sure about what weight because if that would still be held at 135-pound then the outcome would still be the same but I don't also think that Davis would go up in weight to fight him so most likely he would a rematch would not happen if Garcia won't go down in weight.

His name, popularity and career are greatly influenced in this fight so Garcia must really be able to survive to win no matter what, I sure his new trainer has prepared Garcia to face Duarte.
It just what the fight will be like because if Garcia can't finish with knockout victory and it ends in the 12th round then there is also chance that Duarte will win.
But let just wait, we'll really see how it goes and can see whether Garcia will be what we expect or not.

Indeed, there are rumors that Garcia could have rematch with Davis, but yes, it is also true that there are weight issues between the two that make it possible that they will never be the same.
But if there is rematch, it will be quite dangerous for Garcia because if he loses again to Davis, you can be sure that Garcia name will decline drastically.

But the odds shows that Garcia is the favorite, Duarte is a long shot, a huge 4:1 underdog in this fight. So I don't see this going into full 12 rounds, and it could end in a knockout win by Ryan Garcia. Even the over and under, it's listed at 8.5 rounds.

Which means sport bookies knows that again, this fight is not going to last, the judges scorecard won't dictate who will win. And Ryan Garcia is the clear favorite and so with that, this is a comeback fight for him to show that he still be a great fighter at this new weight class and will be announcing his arrival with a great victory against Duarte.

[BChydro]

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But the odds shows that Garcia is the favorite, Duarte is a long shot, a huge 4:1 underdog in this fight. So I don't see this going into full 12 rounds, and it could end in a knockout win by Ryan Garcia. Even the over and under, it's listed at 8.5 rounds.

Ryan Garcia is the favorite but he is coming back to this fight against Oscar Duarte after an upset loss in the last fight and the import thing is that Ryan Garcia has changed his fight camp completely after the loss and now he is with the new trainer and he was complaining about his weight cut, so it is interesting to see how he returns after the loss with a new head coach.

[TimeTeller]

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But the odds shows that Garcia is the favorite, Duarte is a long shot, a huge 4:1 underdog in this fight. So I don't see this going into full 12 rounds, and it could end in a knockout win by Ryan Garcia. Even the over and under, it's listed at 8.5 rounds.

Ryan Garcia is the favorite but he is coming back to this fight against Oscar Duarte after an upset loss in the last fight and the import thing is that Ryan Garcia has changed his fight camp completely after the loss and now he is with the new trainer and he was complaining about his weight cut, so it is interesting to see how he returns after the loss with a new head coach.

This will be a good one to bet if you happen to believe on Duarte's boxing skills.
Your money can easily be multiplied if upset will happen on this match.
Also, we will see if there will be improvement on Garcia's side. Is he ready to face elite boxers?
Duarte on the other hand, has very good record as well. So Garcia's camp should have not taken this fight lightly.
Duarte is only 27 years old with 26-1-1 record. So not bad at all, he has the capacity to upset Garcia in my opinion.

[Kemarit]

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But the odds shows that Garcia is the favorite, Duarte is a long shot, a huge 4:1 underdog in this fight. So I don't see this going into full 12 rounds, and it could end in a knockout win by Ryan Garcia. Even the over and under, it's listed at 8.5 rounds.

Ryan Garcia is the favorite but he is coming back to this fight against Oscar Duarte after an upset loss in the last fight and the import thing is that Ryan Garcia has changed his fight camp completely after the loss and now he is with the new trainer and he was complaining about his weight cut, so it is interesting to see how he returns after the loss with a new head coach.

This will be a good one to bet if you happen to believe on Duarte's boxing skills.
Your money can easily be multiplied if upset will happen on this match.
Also, we will see if there will be improvement on Garcia's side. Is he ready to face elite boxers?

Duarte is far from being elite, this is just a test for him. GBP pick a good fighter for Ryan. Sort of more to build his confidence back. We can only see improvements on Ryan if let's say a Teo Lopez fight or any of the top 5 boxers in this division.

Duarte on the other hand, has very good record as well. So Garcia's camp should have not taken this fight lightly.
Duarte is only 27 years old with 26-1-1 record. So not bad at all, he has the capacity to upset Garcia in my opinion.

And that is somewhat what most of the fans see, a good record, high percentage of knockout. But has he face a fighter with Ryan Garcia's caliber before? And in addition, this is Oscar's first time to go to 140 lbs, so maybe there will be questions if he can bring his power to the new weight class.

[FinneysTrueVision]

Duarte is far from being elite, this is just a test for him. GBP pick a good fighter for Ryan. Sort of more to build his confidence back. We can only see improvements on Ryan if let's say a Teo Lopez fight or any of the top 5 boxers in this division.

Teofimo revealed that he turned down a $1.5 million offer to fight Ryan Garcia. Perhaps it was a bit of a lowball offer from Golden Boy, but I also don't think Teo is worth nearly as much as he thinks he is. The long layoff due to Covid and personal issues followed by a loss to Kambosos and a lackluster split decision win against Sandor Martin really hurt his value.

Ryan still has several options but at 140 the only champion he is capable of beating, in my opinion, is Rolly Romero. That should be his next target if he beats Duarte.

[Jating]

Do Ryan and Bernard Hopkins has a beef?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6bytr02m4_M

Probably this is a sign that Golden Boy and Ryan Garcia are really not in terms. I don't know what is the terms between Ryan and Golden Boy, but if it seems that this could be his last fight with Oscar's promotion.

Or is this the way that they wanted to promote this fight as everyone knows that as much as Oscar Duarte looks good in paper, this is a total mismatch and so they need to create more hype in this fight?

[Baofeng]

^ There's another interview from Bernard wherein he said:

“I will see how Ryan looks and then make my personal decision on whether he should fight again.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/ryan-garcia-lashes-out-golden-boy-hopkins-why-you-disrespect-your-only-superstar-fighter-right-now--179606

You can read Ryan's rant about it and decide who has a point or who is just hyping the fight.

As far as promotion goes, it is still done by Oscar, even though he is a partner of GBP, Bernard usually is in the sideline and he let Oscar do all the talking during promotions.

[coin-investor]

^ There's another interview from Bernard wherein he said:

“I will see how Ryan looks and then make my personal decision on whether he should fight again.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/ryan-garcia-lashes-out-golden-boy-hopkins-why-you-disrespect-your-only-superstar-fighter-right-now--179606

You can read Ryan's rant about it and decide who has a point or who is just hyping the fight.

As far as promotion goes, it is still done by Oscar, even though he is a partner of GBP, Bernard usually is in the sideline and he let Oscar do all the talking during promotions.

Well, here's a video of that

Ryan Garcia RIPS Bernard Hopkins & De La Hoya over criticism! LASHES OUT at final presser!

Check the look on Oscar Dela Hoya's face while talking about that, it's pretty obvious that the two camps are headed to split and Ryan wants out of Oscar's The Golden Boy Promotion, he cannot stand the two managers of The Golden Boy, it's just good to see that he is very motivated to get back winning and hopefully, this is the fight that will bring him back, so he can humiliate Bernard and Oscar.
Can't wait to see the fight happen and the interviews after the fight.

[Dave1]

^ There's another interview from Bernard wherein he said:

“I will see how Ryan looks and then make my personal decision on whether he should fight again.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/ryan-garcia-lashes-out-golden-boy-hopkins-why-you-disrespect-your-only-superstar-fighter-right-now--179606

You can read Ryan's rant about it and decide who has a point or who is just hyping the fight.

As far as promotion goes, it is still done by Oscar, even though he is a partner of GBP, Bernard usually is in the sideline and he let Oscar do all the talking during promotions.

Well, here's a video of that

Ryan Garcia RIPS Bernard Hopkins & De La Hoya over criticism! LASHES OUT at final presser!

Check the look on Oscar Dela Hoya's face while talking about that, it's pretty obvious that the two camps are headed to split and Ryan wants out of Oscar's The Golden Boy Promotion, he cannot stand the two managers of The Golden Boy, it's just good to see that he is very motivated to get back winning and hopefully, this is the fight that will bring him back, so he can humiliate Bernard and Oscar.
Can't wait to see the fight happen and the interviews after the fight.

And this is what Oscar has to say: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ckwOoKAzuWA

I do believed that the split is imminent in the future for Ryan and GBP. There are even interviews that Ryan is now cool with his former trainer, Eddy Reynoso and Canelo Alvarez.

But I do like what Bernard says though, "boxing will call your bluff".

[btc_angela]

Duarte is far from being elite, this is just a test for him. GBP pick a good fighter for Ryan. Sort of more to build his confidence back. We can only see improvements on Ryan if let's say a Teo Lopez fight or any of the top 5 boxers in this division.

Teofimo revealed that he turned down a $1.5 million offer to fight Ryan Garcia. Perhaps it was a bit of a lowball offer from Golden Boy, but I also don't think Teo is worth nearly as much as he thinks he is. The long layoff due to Covid and personal issues followed by a loss to Kambosos and a lackluster split decision win against Sandor Martin really hurt his value.

Yeah, I think that was an obvious low ball offer from GBP. If I'm not mistaken, he is close to $5 million on that lost to Kambosos. But he was able to quickly bounce back after winning a belt against Josh Taylor at 140 lbs. And with that he is the lineal champion.

Ryan still has several options but at 140 the only champion he is capable of beating, in my opinion, is Rolly Romero. That should be his next target if he beats Duarte.

Weakest amongst the 140 lbs is Romero but the scary champion is Matias with that power and good chin. He might not be very technical but he could knockout everyone in the division, even Ryan Garcia. So I think GBP will stay away from Matias for now unless they want a biggest risk, bigger reward fight.

[coin-investor]

But I do like what Bernard says though, "boxing will call your bluff".

Take it from someone who's been here for 28 years he knows what he's talking about, the boxing community demands so much from boxers if they want to be called elite, Bernard just wants Ryan to step up and motivate him there's a misinterpretation between the two camps.
Seriously this is very hard for Ryan, as a boxer you don't want to step into the ring with issues within your camp, your camp should have 100% support for you so you can perform at your best.
I'm now very curious about how things will unfold but one thing is clear the wounds are so deep that I don't think they can be patched, Ryan needs a new promotion and it's going to be a big disaster if Ryan gets upset by Duarte.
Let's see if Ryan can fight or perform under pressure, he badly needs this win if he wants to continue his trail to his legacy, that has been halted by a loss from Gervonta.

[inthelongrun]

Do Ryan and Bernard Hopkins has a beef?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6bytr02m4_M

Probably this is a sign that Golden Boy and Ryan Garcia are really not in terms. I don't know what is the terms between Ryan and Golden Boy, but if it seems that this could be his last fight with Oscar's promotion.

Or is this the way that they wanted to promote this fight as everyone knows that as much as Oscar Duarte looks good in paper, this is a total mismatch and so they need to create more hype in this fight?

Well, Ryan is just forced to honor his remaining contract with GBP. Earlier, Ryan tried to get out of it but GBP filed a case citing the contract is still active. It could be 1 or 2 fights under his contract. But Ryan is heading to another promotion after his contract with GBP. Oscar just remained professional but Bernard another owner of GBP said something that offended Ryan. Ryan's talkative as always so he's expected to respond. But Bernard has a point, Ryan is more like bluffing and calling champions but I doubt he is facing a champion anytime soon.

And even if Ryan wins in an impressive fashion against Duarte, it's never a good basis that he is ready for anybody at 140 since he's only facing a 135 fighter.

[aioc]

Duarte is far from being elite, this is just a test for him. GBP pick a good fighter for Ryan. Sort of more to build his confidence back. We can only see improvements on Ryan if let's say a Teo Lopez fight or any of the top 5 boxers in this division.

Teofimo revealed that he turned down a $1.5 million offer to fight Ryan Garcia. Perhaps it was a bit of a lowball offer from Golden Boy, but I also don't think Teo is worth nearly as much as he thinks he is. The long layoff due to Covid and personal issues followed by a loss to Kambosos and a lackluster split decision win against Sandor Martin really hurt his value.

Ryan still has several options but at 140 the only champion he is capable of beating, in my opinion, is Rolly Romero. That should be his next target if he beats Duarte.

Honestly this is a foolish decision from Teofimo he should have taken the offer regardless of the price or he can negotiate so the fight could happen because this was his chance to make a comeback from those lackluster performances, Teofimo's last three fights were forgettable and he needs a big comeback fight from someone who is a big a name, and since he turned him down right away without negotiating he loses that chance.

But let's see if he will renegotiate after Garcia's fight, this is a pressure fight for Ryan but I expect him to win and from there negotiate to a much bigger name and could possibly offer Lopez a better price since Teo looks like an easy fight for Ryan.

[cabron]

Do Ryan and Bernard Hopkins has a beef?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6bytr02m4_M

Probably this is a sign that Golden Boy and Ryan Garcia are really not in terms. I don't know what is the terms between Ryan and Golden Boy, but if it seems that this could be his last fight with Oscar's promotion.

Or is this the way that they wanted to promote this fight as everyone knows that as much as Oscar Duarte looks good in paper, this is a total mismatch and so they need to create more hype in this fight?

Well, Ryan is just forced to honor his remaining contract with GBP. Earlier, Ryan tried to get out of it but GBP filed a case citing the contract is still active. It could be 1 or 2 fights under his contract. But Ryan is heading to another promotion after his contract with GBP. Oscar just remained professional but Bernard another owner of GBP said something that offended Ryan. Ryan's talkative as always so he's expected to respond. But Bernard has a point, Ryan is more like bluffing and calling champions but I doubt he is facing a champion anytime soon.

And even if Ryan wins in an impressive fashion against Duarte, it's never a good basis that he is ready for anybody at 140 since he's only facing a 135 fighter.

Ryan is battling against the mouth that feeds him, sure the production will not make it easy for him.  And it's possible for the whole GBP gang including the judges not to give Ryan a proper scoring. Just what my gut feeling is that Ryan will have to do the extraordinary win but if they finish the whole 12 rounds, the decision might just be biased and Duarte could win by Decision.

[Hirose UK]

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His name, popularity and career are greatly influenced in this fight so Garcia must really be able to survive to win no matter what, I sure his new trainer has prepared Garcia to face Duarte.
It just what the fight will be like because if Garcia can't finish with knockout victory and it ends in the 12th round then there is also chance that Duarte will win.
But let just wait, we'll really see how it goes and can see whether Garcia will be what we expect or not.

Indeed, there are rumors that Garcia could have rematch with Davis, but yes, it is also true that there are weight issues between the two that make it possible that they will never be the same.
But if there is rematch, it will be quite dangerous for Garcia because if he loses again to Davis, you can be sure that Garcia name will decline drastically.

But the odds shows that Garcia is the favorite, Duarte is a long shot, a huge 4:1 underdog in this fight. So I don't see this going into full 12 rounds, and it could end in a knockout win by Ryan Garcia. Even the over and under, it's listed at 8.5 rounds.

Which means sport bookies knows that again, this fight is not going to last, the judges scorecard won't dictate who will win. And Ryan Garcia is the clear favorite and so with that, this is a comeback fight for him to show that he still be a great fighter at this new weight class and will be announcing his arrival with a great victory against Duarte.

Soon, in just matter of hours we will see the battle between the two knockout kings meeting and it is clear that Garcia is increasingly the favorite in this fight to win, but worthy victory is knockout.
As I said before, it could end in 12 rounds so Duarte has chance to win because he has fighting style with almost perfect punches or you could say they always go in.
For now, I actually feel doubtful about choosing one of them as favorite and indeed this is fight that is difficult to predict, especially since Duarte also looks quite confident in facing Garcia.
But if you are brave enough to take risks, Garcia can be viable option and he still has decent Odds.

Yes, that absolutely true and it's clear that anyone will make Garcia their favorite because this is very important fight and Garcia must be able to win.
The deciding factor for Garcia in the WBA super light class is this fight because if he loses then what Garcia has achieved during his career as boxer with the undisputed knockout king will be lost.
The bookie will always favor whoever has greater chance of winning, like Garcia.
But honestly, now I have doubts.

[Baofeng]

Here is the weigh-in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd1ZvW4EztA

Ryan Garcia - 143 pounds
Oscar Duarte -142.8 pounds

Both are their heaviest, but still their body is in good shape. Awkward situation with Bernard and Oscar in their with Ryan Garcia, and yes as others have said, this is just for Ryan to honor his contract and after that, we all know the feeling that Ryan will not extend his contract with them with the recent spat that we have heard between GBP and Ryan himself.

Another not so good message thrown by Oscar is that Ryan might not be in a good mental state again with his recent statements and reactions to Bernard. Duarte after this weigh in is now 4:1 underdog.