Will the Gambling Sportybet (Company) Refund the Money?

[PX-Z]

People nowadays really using the power of social media just to get advantage in every situation either it's good or nonsense, especially if it trends. The management should take this seriously and shouldn't listen to those who side with the boy, it's him to blame in the very first place.
And just like that, the management already said their side and so be it.

[Nwada001]

This 16-year-old guy made a terrible mistake, and he deserves what he's getting right now so he can learn from it and never make such a decision in his life again.
 
But let's look at things this way: most gambling sites have a rule of not allowing anyone who is under 18 years old to bet on their platform, not just a few casinos but almost all, as these rules are also applied to street and real-world betting shops.
 
Now if it happens that this boy was lucky enough to win this bet, he risked his school fees to play, and the casino owners later found out that the boy is under 18 years old and yet he used their site to gamble and earn that more, will they agree to pay him his winnings? I doubt they will, as casinos don't joke with their rules, especially when they know they are the ones to gain more from the incident. So why can't they treat this matter as an underage gambling situation and look for possible means to make things right? At least take the right decision for one's

[bitbollo]

16 years old!
this is the common age when you discover that money doesn't grow on trees and you need to work harder to earn a decent living.
for sure casino has some lack on checking age/other stuffs of people involved on their platform. meanwhile the guy should learn a big lesson this time

[Darker45]

Why should the gambling platform return the money? The money was used to gamble and lost. Whether that money was supposed to be paid for school fees or for food or for bills or for medicine is immaterial. That doesn't matter.

But here's the twist which I think could happen even on top gambling sites. Had the money won and the gambling company learned that the gambler was a minor, they could have declared all games null and void, and they wouldn't pay him at all. He violated the terms. He lied. He shouldn't have been playing in the first place. Worse, the platform could have locked the account along with the money deposited.

[ralle14]

That boy was trying to freeroll the sportsbook, if he won the bet, he probably wouldn't reveal his age and walk away with his winnings. After things went south, he's trying to find a way to get his losses back, similar to the cases that we sometimes see here in the gambling section.

I doubt he'd get a refund when it's already too late and maybe it could've been a different story if he was caught while the money is still in his account.

[michellee]

He can plan to win a large amount but doesn't know whether he can win a large amount or lose it all. It would be unwise for him to do that because it would cost him all his money. If he uses it for gambling and loses all the money, the gambling company will unlikely return the money to the child.

He had already lost everything and he couldn't beg for his money. What if he loses? And if the company asked for the money back, would the child want to return it? Gambling companies are not charitable companies that can return money used for gambling. So this is a lesson for the child not to do it again in the future, whatever the reason.

That is why underage children are prohibited from gambling because they can use all their money to gamble. And if the money is for school fees while they lose, it will make things difficult for them later. Hopefully, no more underage children will use their school money to gamble.

[Vaskiy]

This is commonly found with gambling platforms. Once lost is lost, and this kid could've experienced it for the first time. Over time he'll understand better about gambling and realise his mistake. Maybe by the time he could be in hard debt. By now the parents need to start monitoring and keep things in order.

I've personally did this during the very early days of gambling. Small losses doesn't affect us big, once I wagered big and lost everything. I requested the support team and they were clear with the explanation. Out of my situation, they took my request to the higher authority and from there I got the same response. So, we need to be careful while spending on gambling platforms.

[Strongkored]

Is it possible for the company to refund the money to the boy?

In my opinion, it's not about whether it is possible or not, but how a minor can gamble on a gambling site, how he can gamble without the casino knowing that he is still underage, so while many people don't like KYC, KYC can also be done to reduce the use of gambling sites by underage children.
The gambling site has no obligation to return the money unless they have their own considerations to prevent the child from committing other stupid acts, but what I am curious about is how much school money did he use? I think it's not big and according to the story he gambled to get more money to solve other problems, I suspect there was a debt and it could be because of gambling, if true, it's quite sad to see what he is facing.

[FatFork]

Let me tell you a story, which was told by an elderly man in a Moonlight story time. "A biological father of a daughter impregnated her and his wife took him to the law court, and in practical, the man bought a new suit and torn it in the courtroom and told the court that he own the suit and used it the way he wants and he won the case".

That story just doesn't hold water. First and foremost, comparing owning a suit to "owning" another human being is completely off the mark. I'm not sure where this case originated, but I can confidently say that there isn't a single country in the world where you can legally "own" another person, especially when it comes to children and minors, who are given even greater protection under the law.

What I gather from this is that either this case has been fabricated, or someone might be pulling your leg, making a mockery of the situation.

What is the moral lesson, when you take a case to the law court, it is the capability of the lawyer will tell you whether you will win or not. If the boy took the case to court and he has sound lawyers he might win the case and all depends on the angle the lawyers will look at the case.

Could you provide an example of such a court case, where a player won? I'd be genuinely interested in learning more about it.

[Agbe]

That story just doesn't hold water. First and foremost, comparing owning a suit to "owning" another human being is completely off the mark. I'm not sure where this case originated, but I can confidently say that there isn't a single country in the world where you can legally "own" another person, especially when it comes to children and minors, who are given even greater protection under the law.

What I gather from this is that either this case has been fabricated, or someone might be pulling your leg, making a mockery of the situation.

Well I made it clearly that it was African Moonlight story so I can't really tell where he got the story but was purely for entertainment purpose. But one thing we have to know from literature perspective, real stories are coin from fictional stories. Just like George Owell wrote Animal Farm to portray the capitalist world in reality. I am still standing on the point that, if the boy took a good lawyer he might win the case. Yes the boy is a minor or under age which has already violated the T/C of the company, but then why did the casino agent allowed the boy to play the game, if the boy hide his age was the stature of the boy was also hidden? the sportsbook agent would have prevented the boy to play the game. And the only thing I know that the boy will not go to that extent because he will not have money to take the case to court. Because there are lot of questions the casino will also answer.

Could you provide an example of such a court case, where a player won? I'd be genuinely interested in learning more about it.

I really smile for this your comment. In Africa, the real culprits or the corrupt leaders do not loss case, they are the ones win cases in Africa. The presidential election tribunal that is going on in Nigeria is one of the good example. Good lawyers determine your case in Africa, the real winner of the election did not win the case. And it is only in advance countries that justice is always prevail and not in Africa. And that is why because of the corrupt level of the African judiciary and the police, we believe in jungle justice. Definitely those people (players) would be arrested but they gain freedom easily. I believed you heard what happened in Nigeria in the past few weeks, a singer life was threaten and he went to the police to report but no action, until he was finally killed. Well I don't want to go further. There is always a moral lesson in all situation. The boy who loss his school fees to the gambling company has learned his lesson and I believed he will not try it again if he is not an addict.

[Wapfika]

Is it possible for the company to refund the money to the boy?

In my opinion, it's not about whether it is possible or not, but how a minor can gamble on a gambling site, how he can gamble without the casino knowing that he is still underage, so while many people don't like KYC, KYC can also be done to reduce the use of gambling sites by underage children.

I believe some casino allows to make deposits without completing the KYC first then later on ask for it once the user will withdraw the balance like the typical KYC protocol on crypto casino. I have account on multiple online local casino which only requires mobile number and email to create an account. I believe there’s a disclosure that you will agree that you are 18+ above which automatically lift the liability of the casino to a minor players once they agree on it. 

On this case. The boy will surely don’t get the refund by just begging for it since doing this will make the casino an easy target for same situation like this.

[coin-investor]

This is actually one of the lamest questions I've ever read in here... It's obvious that the funds cannot be refunded for any reason; the casino said that for more clarity already...so what's the point of asking insensible questions ?? To me, this post has no quality at all and should be put down. if you were really keen about writing on this, then there'd have been a better way to do so...
gambling shouldn't be presumed a way to make money; only a few have made it through that route randomly...so I feel it's not worth the time, stress and anticipation... To y'all out there still below the age of 18, avoid gambling away your funds!!

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

Weekly quota posters are here again. Your vast knowledge in the society is narrow. Let me tell you a story, which was told by an elderly man in a Moonlight story time. "A biological father of a daughter impregnated her and his wife took him to the law court, and in practical, the man bought a new suit and torn it in the courtroom and told the court that he own the suit and used it the way he wants and he won the case". What is the moral lesson, when you take a case to the law court, it is the capability of the lawyer will tell you whether you will win or not. If the boy took the case to court and he has sound lawyers he might win the case and all depends on the angle the lawyers will look at the case. Yes we all know that the boy violated the Terms and Conditions of the casino but if he want to take it to the court, then he has the freedom to do so, and I also believed this is a good discussion thread so that when it happened again , this might be a reference thread to solve issues so I don't see why you said the post is low quality, yet you contribute. Can you define low quality post? So I can learn. I don't want to exchange words.

I also believe it is worth discussing even if the answer is obvious, the scenario is still possible or there could be people who out of curiosity will check a discussion online to see the possibility of a minor asking for a refund because he gambled it wrongly.

There are thousands of discussions that could happen in gambling we have millions of people gamble, and if members think it's not worth discussing then he or she is free not to participate and let others who want to participate in a discussion do it.

[sokani]

This 16 years Nigerian citizen used his school fees to play bet and was planning to win big amount so he can use it to solve other problems but along the line he loss everything and he went to the contact of the company and begged them to refund the money back to him because it is his school fees.

We don't know if the player is truly 16 years old. Anyone could claim he's 16 and can easily falsify his information online. Also, the gambling platform explicitly states in its terms and conditions that players must be 18 and above, and there's no way they would have known that he's underage. Being under age does not qualify him for a refund or any kind of pity, if he had won the bet, would he had returned the money that he was underage? Hell no! His school fees is gone and what happened should serve as a life lesson.

[Agbe]

Is it possible for the company to refund the money to the boy?

In my opinion, it's not about whether it is possible or not, but how a minor can gamble on a gambling site, how he can gamble without the casino knowing that he is still underage, so while many people don't like KYC, KYC can also be done to reduce the use of gambling sites by underage children.

I believe some casino allows to make deposits without completing the KYC first then later on ask for it once the user will withdraw the balance like the typical KYC protocol on crypto casino. I have account on multiple online local casino which only requires mobile number and email to create an account. I believe there’s a disclosure that you will agree that you are 18+ above which automatically lift the liability of the casino to a minor players once they agree on it. 

On this case. The boy will surely don’t get the refund by just begging for it since doing this will make the casino an easy target for same situation like this.

Exactly this is one of the disadvantages of not asking kyc at the registration or signing up process. If the casino ask the boy KYC at the beginning probably this wouldn't Happened and I believed this is not the first time such scenario or thing has happened. I am not blaming the casino in any way but there are somethings they (casinos) should do to prevent such happing in the future because this one now is like a warning to both the casino and the under age people that are gambling. Many out there are still gambling in the hidden places and when they loss big amount of money which meant to do something that is when they would come out to blame the casino. If you are not up to gambling age don't gamble and parents should also warn their wards to avoid gambling. You don't use probability to play gamble. Example. Let me use this my school fees to play gamble and win big so I can balance something in the school. Gambling is not your mate if you loss you have to wear thick skin and if you win then you complete your mission. Gambling is 50/50. All blames goes to the boy and not the casino. And one thing I always says, the casino KYC should be done at the initial time and not the withdrawal time.

[tusandii]

Any gambling company will not return a customer money for any reason, if user has put in his money to bet, it is the same as accepting all the risks that occur when betting and if gambling returns the user's money just because the money is to pay for school, how much? millions of gamblers will ask for their money back and use this as an excuse to get their money back.
This the negative impact if children under age or under 18 when they find out about gambling they will only think about money and winning without thinking about the risks that will occur if club they choose loses or is even cheated by a gambling site.
With this experience, perhaps the child will be scolded by his parents for spending his school money on gambling, but for me it a valuable lesson for him so that in the future he will be better and will not repeat gambling again just to chase his losses.
I'm worried that the child will one day still have a grudge and try to catch up on that loss and as a parent you have to know this or else it will get worse in the long run.

[Mahanton]

This is actually one of the lamest questions I've ever read in here... It's obvious that the funds cannot be refunded for any reason; the casino said that for more clarity already...so what's the point of asking insensible questions ?? To me, this post has no quality at all and should be put down. if you were really keen about writing on this, then there'd have been a better way to do so...
gambling shouldn't be presumed a way to make money; only a few have made it through that route randomly...so I feel it's not worth the time, stress and anticipation... To y'all out there still below the age of 18, avoid gambling away your funds!!

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

Weekly quota posters are here again. Your vast knowledge in the society is narrow. Let me tell you a story, which was told by an elderly man in a Moonlight story time. "A biological father of a daughter impregnated her and his wife took him to the law court, and in practical, the man bought a new suit and torn it in the courtroom and told the court that he own the suit and used it the way he wants and he won the case". What is the moral lesson, when you take a case to the law court, it is the capability of the lawyer will tell you whether you will win or not. If the boy took the case to court and he has sound lawyers he might win the case and all depends on the angle the lawyers will look at the case. Yes we all know that the boy violated the Terms and Conditions of the casino but if he want to take it to the court, then he has the freedom to do so, and I also believed this is a good discussion thread so that when it happened again , this might be a reference thread to solve issues so I don't see why you said the post is low quality, yet you contribute. Can you define low quality post? So I can learn. I don't want to exchange words.

I also believe it is worth discussing even if the answer is obvious, the scenario is still possible or there could be people who out of curiosity will check a discussion online to see the possibility of a minor asking for a refund because he gambled it wrongly.

There are thousands of discussions that could happen in gambling we have millions of people gamble, and if members think it's not worth discussing then he or she is free not to participate and let others who want to participate in a discussion do it.

Totally true that no one should be stopped on creating topics or discussion something like this even though it isnt really that something having no sense because if you do really check out the situation then it would be obviously that boy wont really be getting his money no matter what because the money that you had spent out on making bets would really be just that final and doesnt matter what those funds real usage would be attached into it then its none of others business or on platforms concern because once you had place out the bet then its considered final and dont make yourself that being that too desperate on asking for some refund.
It would really be just that normal that this boy would be ignored and if things becomes that too noisy and affecting a certain platforms reputation the they might be reconsidering on taking it back but in overall
gambling rules and regulations then its most likely people around do already knows on what would happen.

It would be taken normally that boy having that costly lesson learned into his life and would really make him that realized that gambling is never been that a safe thing. Yes, it could make money
on instant manner but doesnt mean that you would really be out from that risky situation or very dangerous on which you might be losing those funds that you do have in your pocket.
Its not bad to play as long you do make use of the amount which you can afford to lose.

[BitcoinTurk]

In the incident, there is actually negligence and guilt on both sides. First of all, let's start with the mistakes made by the child;

The money to be used for school fees should never be used in a very risky activity such as gambling because every individual knows how risky gambling is. Of course, this may differ for children but this is why there is a minimum age limit for gambling. On the other hand, it is certainly stated in the contract which was accepted without reading it at the time of membership that the minimum age limit for gambling is 18. In other words, that contract signed without reading actually explains under what conditions no refund will be provided.

To talk about the mistake of the casino service in this incident;

In accordance with the laws of many countries casino businesses must perform the KYC procedure for every individual who wants to gamble. When the child is created a membership in this casino service the casino service had to apply the KYC procedure and reject the child's membership at this stage before performing any transaction. In other words, the negligence made here actually caused the child to gamble and a legal obligation was not implemented.

[FatFork]

Well I made it clearly that it was African Moonlight story so I can't really tell where he got the story but was purely for entertainment purpose.

Well, I had no idea what the "African Moonlight story" actually meant until I googled it, but if your idea of a fun children's story includes a father impregnating his own daughter, and gets away with it, then you live in a very sick society as far as I'm concerned.

Yes the boy is a minor or under age which has already violated the T/C of the company, but then why did the casino agent allowed the boy to play the game, if the boy hide his age was the stature of the boy was also hidden? the sportsbook agent would have prevented the boy to play the game.

So, it was a brick-and-mortar casino, not an online one? But regardless, he could still lie about his age or use a fake ID to get in. Unless he can provide irrefutable evidence that the casino was fully aware of his minor status, I don't believe he has a case against the casino.

[Eternad]

People nowadays really using the power of social media just to get advantage in every situation either it's good or nonsense, especially if it trends. The management should take this seriously and shouldn't listen to those who side with the boy, it's him to blame in the very first place.
And just like that, the management already said their side and so be it.

Agreed. I believe those whose siding with the boy doesn’t know what’s the terms and condition use. They are only using sympathy with their decision making while this boy will probably do it again once he received refund. He will not gamble his tuition fee if he has no further experience on risking his money before.

This kind of discussion is simply law vs feelings which we all know what will govern in the end. Allowing a refund on this situation will surely open up with chaos on asking for refund when they lose. 

[aioc]

This 16 years Nigerian citizen used his school fees to play bet and was planning to win big amount so he can use it to solve other problems but along the line he loss everything and he went to the contact of the company and begged them to refund the money back to him because it is his school fees.

We don't know if the player is truly 16 years old. Anyone could claim he's 16 and can easily falsify his information online. Also, the gambling platform explicitly states in its terms and conditions that players must be 18 and above, and there's no way they would have known that he's underage. Being under age does not qualify him for a refund or any kind of pity, if he had won the bet, would he had returned the money that he was underage? Hell no! His school fees is gone and what happened should serve as a life lesson.

I agree the terms of service have no exception if they allow the minor for a refund there will be cheaters who will create a fake claim with fake evidence to present to the casino to ask for a refund, you cannot cheat the casino when it comes to their terms of service they are strict on it and they expect all players to abide by their terms, even if the child bring it on the court, the court will just deny the plea and will favor the casino for upholding their terms.
If the casino knows that a minor is playing on their platform they have the right to confiscate his funds as stated in their terms, this is to discourage minors from playing in casinos online and offline.