Can one plagarise unintentionally?

[TakeItEasy]

There is intentional and accidental plagiarism, so one act of plagiarism will fall on either of these. So accidental plagiarism may not mean any harm, or a total accidental to have a same thought with the same flow of sentence so it is going to be subjective for one's thought to judge whether it is accidental or not. However, we can clearly see if its intentional like the construction of sentence, thought, flow of paragraphs, and even the changing of words and arrangement. Well, actually plagiarism lies in the structure and not the thought, but yeah coincidences happen.

Sometimes do you know what people do? They just copy some sentences from any website on the internet,  and they just put these sentences in a plagiarism checking websites,  (which we know there are many on the internet). And after that if the plagiarism's websites finds some plagiarism in his sentences or paragraph then he again copy his text and put it on the rephrasing websites,  and there the rephrasing's website exchange some words for him and make it a little different than it was before. How could we judge it? And in what categories we should include it ? As you have mentioned some of them intentionally and some may be un intentionally, and also coincidence happens too rare,  not at all,  I can say in 5% in the 100% coincidence happens,  except them all are intentional.

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[light_warrior]

I'd like to offer my opinion. I believe that unintentional plagiarism can be attributed to elementary forgetfulness (well, I forgot to add a link, it happens). Also to unintentional plagiarism I would include elementary ignorance or misunderstanding of what plagiarism is (well, I copied someone's text, so what. So many people do it on various resources on the Internet). Forgot to add the link once, okay. But if a user "forgets" to add a link all the time, that's not normal. Well with illiteracy in terms of understanding that plagiarism is stealing, I don't know what to do. If a person does not understand this, then it is only necessary to carry out explanatory work. And even then, it is not certain that the person will understand. I've personally warned users several times (here's one such instance, or here), but people just ignored the warnings.

This is the kind of example I can accept as unintentional plagiarism (although the moderators counted differently)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg62935451#msg62935451

or this example
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg62914334#msg62914334

But, if a person inserts a borrowed text into his/her text, I personally consider this to be real intentional plagiarism. Here is an example like in my last post, here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg62944790#msg62944790

[PeRo]

Even though the rules are pretty strict about plagiarism, I think the moderators can easily spot what is actually done intentionally and what isn't. Accidental plagiarism is a thing though, you might unintentionally forward information or text that someone else has already wrote about.

I think it could be compared to music - a lot of times some pieces that are already written come to mind to another musician (happened to me to write a very similar part of a song even though it wasn't in my mind the slightest). So, sometimes it would be logical to write something, unknowingly plagiarizing the original contributor.

Even though we must be alert about this, misunderstandings can happen.

[un_rank]

I will not count whatever will be 'unintentional plagiarism' as plagiarism at all, it is just a shared though or a borrowed thought.

I may have read from a user that passport is a good hardware wallet and Electrum is a good software wallet, if another users asks, I can simply write out that thought to them in fairly similar sentences as the user I read it from used, but it will not fall into the ballpark of plagiarism, especially as the text will have other sentences which makes it unique. I consider it almost impossible to unintentionally plagiarize except by copying and pasting while forgetting to include the source of the content, but writing off the top of your head it is impossible to plagiarize.

When writing without reading a text, the human brain is bound to formulate the thought in a unique way, adding content you already have in it, for this reason, every user has their own writing style and it will show even if they are writing something similar with someone else.

- Jay -

[Alone055]

You can't unknowingly fall into the category of plagiarism victims because plagiarized content itself says that I've been plagiarized, and mods don't just ban users because someone has reported them, they do check themselves whether the evidence is true and enough for the person to be banned or not.

I've reported several users for plagiarism in the past, and I know what you are trying to say isn't something one should be worried about.

[philipma1957]

(I don't know if meta would be appropriate for this thread any suggestions would be appreciated)
I've been pondering an important topic that I believe deserves our thoughtful consideration. ''plagiarism within our community". it might not be a good one, it's certainly worth discussing.

Each day, as we observe the Report plagiarism (copy/paste) here. Mods: please give temp or permban as needed thread by LoyceV, it becomes apparent that many of these plagiarizers often fall into the category of newbies and low-ranked members. These actions, whether intentional or not, seem to be on the rise but thanks to some of our diligent plagiarism busters here on the forum, a lot of them are caught on spot.

We know that many of us avidly and constantly read various articles from different sources, accumulating knowledge along the way. When questions arise on the forum related to the information we've gathered, we naturally share our insights. This raises an intriguing question. is it possible to inadvertently or unknowingly plagiarize content? a lot of these offenders in their appeal thread, claims to have been unaware or unintentionally plagarized their contents.

Ever since I joined this forum and learned that plagiarism is a strict rule that cannot be broken, I've been exceptionally cautious. When creating threads or replies, I even utilize plagiarism checkers to ensure there are no unintentional similarities with existing content. However, I wonder if other members have considered this aspect as well. Perhaps there might be some instances where we may unknowingly fall into the category of plagiarism victims, which could lead to account bans.

I've come across numerous ban appeal threads, but not all of them result in unbanning. So, my question is this, What if some members don't intentionally plagiarize content but still find themselves in that category?

Let's approach this discussion with reason and understanding, avoiding negative responses. Your insights and experiences on this matter would be greatly appreciated.

No to your topic. Intent matters for conviction of the act.

  The problem is you can write a shorter set of sentences that are an exact copy of someone else's work since the infinite monkey with infinite typewriter idea is true. 

This site is USA based so plagiarism is not allowed thus it attempts to stop it.

So the difficulty is did someone do something on purpose or unintentionally has happened here more than one time.

Since the website could be punished it tends to convict is two or more sentences are exact.

[nakamura12]

There could be a chance where you type the same thought as the other then I think it's unintentional plagiarism if you didn't know about it existed already but if the thought of other people is what  person is posted even though he/she did not copy it all and it is still a plagiarism. It is not the forum's responsibility to know the forum rules that's why it is pinned for newbies to look at before doing something else that can/may cause trouble or problems with your account like getting banned.

[PytagoraZ]

In the world of written content, their main enemy is plagiarism. In the world of video content, their main enemy is reuploads. Both of these are acts of copyright infringement as bitcointalk is under US authority (correct me if I'm wrong). And plagiarism will give rise to legal action if the original owner of the writing files a copyright claim. The lowest copyright claim is to DMCA and request removal of the content, however this may proceed to legal jurisdiction

Providing a link to the original article does not guarantee anything as the original author can still file a copyright lawsuit

[Shamm]

Plagiarism is prohibited in this forum and  rules is rules once a user caught for plagiarism then for sure he/she will face the consequences. And also about you said Op that unintentionally plagiarized then maybe you forget to site the source, or else you already memorized the source long time ago then when you encounter here in forum then you write what you've memorized but still you did not site the source cause you think that you learn it from someone so that you've not put the sources and without knowing that it searchable which means google have the same idea and still that is plagiarism.

[mindrust]

I’ve seen people killing other people unintentionally too.

https://twitter.com/ConflictTR/status/1705134733334646897/

See this?

This poor guy just killed his friend unintentionally. They were both having fun but ooops he dead. “It was just an accident sorry for killing you bruh life goes on :/“

Committing plagiarism unintentionally is just like that. You may not know the consequences of doing it but it bites you in the ass anyway. Ignorance is not an excuse when breaking the law.

[Saisher]

I've come across numerous ban appeal threads, but not all of them result in unbanning. So, my question is this, What if some members don't intentionally plagiarize content but still find themselves in that category?

Let's approach this discussion with reason and understanding, avoiding negative responses. Your insights and experiences on this matter would be greatly appreciated.

The keyword is how frequent, if it is once or twice and it is not even reaching 70% I believe it does not deserve a ban but a warning will do this for the member to check his post, but if 7 of his 10 posts reached 70% then it deserves a permanent ban, majority of members who does this are newbies or low-rank members in trying to create a good topic or post they have tempted to use software to support or help them make good posts.

[jokers10]

There could be a chance where you type the same thought as the other then I think it's unintentional plagiarism if you didn't know about it existed already but if the thought of other people is what  person is posted even though he/she did not copy it all and it is still a plagiarism.

Ideas are not a subject of copyright. If you'll say that you invented an idea of a bicycle, it would be fun, everyone will think it's a joke or you are a weird guy, but it's not a plagiarism by itself as for this forum and in many cases in outer life as well. Even if you'll invent a bike by yourself you'll hardly write about it word-by-word as it did previous inventors. It is not what happening, people write the same things with different words.

[songyan0400]

I think plagiarism is a bad habit. Every time you do that, more terms will be neglected.

[stompix]

I’ve seen people killing other people unintentionally too.
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Committing plagiarism unintentionally is just like that. You may not know the consequences of doing it but it bites you in the ass anyway. Ignorance is not an excuse when breaking the law.

BS!
He killed somebody while trying to do something that could have resulted in somebody dying in 100 ways.
Every time you drive you might by mistake kill somebody, you might kill somebody by baking a cookie and so on, plagiarims by mistake is completely different.

To go by your example, the chances of plagiarism while typing your own thoughts are just like the chances of killing someone in the same specific way, on the same day of the week, the same weather outside by mistake! Zero!

It's almost impossible for people if not constrained by making their 4 lines of text quota with specific wording to a specific subject to end up even with one line of the same text, once the user stops trying to quota shitpost the chances are null! Add mistypes, spelling errors, and grammar, it becomes really impossible, even if trying to write down the same text from memory and two native english speaking users one from Australia and one from UK will end with different texts.

[EarnOnVictor]

Well, if you must know, plagiarism is not a peculiar infraction attractor to this forum only, it attracts rebuff everywhere sanely possible. But I wouldn't say that anyone is perfect, regardless, you might be surprised that most of those who were banned due to it would be 100% guilty of such, it's a deliberate act, and I don't believe they would be banned unwarned. If so, then it's not so welcoming.

Some are just in this forum to spam and make meaningless posts, some will even copy words for words from the source, which is very annoying. Giving them a second chance might be good if the infraction is not too much but there are some that are not worth considering at all.

This takes me to some old and good posters, some do plagiarise, but it could be through overbearing or mistakes, such could be easily forgiven after some warnings. It's also their responsibility to change immediately as no one is above the rules when found seriously guilty.

Above all, plagiarisers can stop if they want to as we can shun plagiarism if we are natural and organic enough.

[PX-Z]

Unintentional plagiarism in google is not giving proper credit to original owner either its an image, research, sentence, etc. even there's no intention of doing it,  which is really bannable here in this forum ^{(to forget to include the source)}.

I will agree what nutildah said about the long of the copied text, only if it was copied from other users also on those "known phrase" like "prevention is better than cure" not on what you can see on google and other blog articles in the internet.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

Just as Nutildah has said, I agree with him. I don't think it's 99.9% possible for someone to accurately write about three sentences of another person's idea that are not theirs. Before that can be possible, either the person is already familiar with the lines of text they have read from another person's idea or they are just trying to spin the words to look like they were the original owners of that idea, and that can still be seen as plagiarism. Sometimes, when I write something and I feel that it could be something that another user might have said already, I just delete the comment and move on to the next topic. Although humans make mistakes at times and there's no one above making a mistake, it could also be possible that some people unintentionally plagiarize when they are not thinking straight.

[aysg76]

How can you unintentionally post entirely same what others have published already in their own words? The some lines can match or real facts that you can't put in your words but making full posts like that is not possible until you are plagiarizing according to me.We use different words to explain same thing and do you really believe you will write exactly same what other have written before even knowing about it?

[blckhawk]

Unintentional and plagiarism is like oil and water, they don't mix. If you mean by unintentional plagiarism, that they posted something that has the same thought as the other previous posts but worded in a way that it's not really a plagiarism but just a result of not reading the thread to see if their thought has already been conceived. But if you mean that they have the same post and thought as other previous post, I don't think that's in any way intentional because no way someone from a different place in a different country on the Internet can have the exact same thoughts and vocabulary, in essence I don't believe that there's such a thing as unintentional plagiarism.

[philipma1957]

I will not count whatever will be 'unintentional plagiarism' as plagiarism at all, it is just a shared though or a borrowed thought.

I may have read from a user that passport is a good hardware wallet and Electrum is a good software wallet, if another users asks, I can simply write out that thought to them in fairly similar sentences as the user I read it from used, but it will not fall into the ballpark of plagiarism, especially as the text will have other sentences which makes it unique. I consider it almost impossible to unintentionally plagiarize except by copying and pasting while forgetting to include the source of the content, but writing off the top of your head it is impossible to plagiarize.

When writing without reading a text, the human brain is bound to formulate the thought in a unique way, adding content you already have in it, for this reason, every user has their own writing style and it will show even if they are writing something similar with someone else.

- Jay -

I am in this ballpark of blaming and banning. Some times it looks wrong but it isn’t.