Trezor Safe 3 New Hardware Wallet

[apogio]

Yes, the high probability is that the users' own errors. Getting professionals' opinions make newbies like me feel ease.

Sure just make sure to choose carefully who you trust.

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[dkbit98]

First reviews for new Trezor 3 Safe hardware wallet are slowly coming out, and first one I saw was from Decrypt.
Trezor uses brushed aluminum in Trezor 3 back side but it has small flaws in design of rough finish, so it doesn't really have that premium look and feel, but maybe this the case only for review units.
Packaging is different compared to older version of hardware wallet, but setting up wallet is very similar like before.


https://decrypt.co/202808/trezor-safe-3-review-hardware-wallet-bitcoin-newcomers

From latest reply received from Trezor I found out that Trezor won't be releasing .stl files for 3d printing, like they did for older models One and T.
I am a bit disappointed about this, but Trezor said they want to avoid easy cloning of their devices, as if that will prevent anyone from doing this.
I hope we are going to see someone scanning and releasing community made stl version for creating DIY Trezor 3.

[SFR10]

Packaging is different compared to older version of hardware wallet,

This may sound weird, but I like this kind of packaging more since we no longer have to literally destroy the box in order to get to the HW itself... Having said that, I didn't like how they wrapped their devices with sticky paper that left glue residue in the crevices ^{[the back cover of the Model One was better]}.
^{- I also have mixed feelings about the tamper-evident seal on the device since it gives a false sense of security!}

[dkbit98]

This may sound weird, but I like this kind of packaging more since we no longer have to literally destroy the box in order to get to the HW itself...

Yeah I agree, it looks much better.

Having said that, I didn't like how they wrapped their devices with sticky paper that left glue residue in the crevices ^{[the back cover of the Model One was better]}.
^{- I also have mixed feelings about the tamper-evident seal on the device since it gives a false sense of security!}

I didn't notice that about sticky paper, but tamper evident seal is just a security theater, always has been, and it's not that hard to replicate them.

Everyone watch out from any emails coming from Trezor or similar sources!
There are some news about new Trezor Phishing scam campaign, and there is a chance trezor database was breached, but they are investigating this.
This is exactly why I prefer purchasing any devices, especially hardware wallets locally with cash, this leaves almost zero traces or with personal information.

Article about this incident:
https://cointelegraph.com/news/trezor-investigates-new-phishing

[m2017]

Everyone watch out from any emails coming from Trezor or similar sources!
There are some news about new Trezor Phishing scam campaign, and there is a chance trezor database was breached, but they are investigating this.

"According to Trezor’s brand ambassador, Josef Tetek, the firm is aware of the ongoing phishing campaign and is actively looking into it." mentioned in the article, but why haven't they informed their users about this possible phishing threat yet? And this is done by anonymous blockchain sleuth ZachXBT.

This is exactly why I prefer purchasing any devices, especially hardware wallets locally with cash, this leaves almost zero traces or with personal information.

How does a cash purchase leave no trace or personal information? What about the CCTV cameras installed in stores and resellers? In the same way, hidden or high-definition cameras can be installed at the cash registers and then, based on the photo of the person, they will find a way to find the owner of the hardware wallet device. Can’t be as confident as possible in privacy in the age of high technology.

Also, it is not always possible to buy a hardware wallet device in your location and then you will inevitably have to buy online. In this case, it is better to act as the hero of this story in the article and register a separate email address for purchase from manufacturer (Trezor, for example), which you should not use anywhere else and never open emails from this email in order to avoid phishing emails. Only if you don't make a purchase from Trezor and don't confirm this action.

[philipma1957]

Everyone watch out from any emails coming from Trezor or similar sources!
There are some news about new Trezor Phishing scam campaign, and there is a chance trezor database was breached, but they are investigating this.

"According to Trezor’s brand ambassador, Josef Tetek, the firm is aware of the ongoing phishing campaign and is actively looking into it." mentioned in the article, but why haven't they informed their users about this possible phishing threat yet? And this is done by anonymous blockchain sleuth ZachXBT.

This is exactly why I prefer purchasing any devices, especially hardware wallets locally with cash, this leaves almost zero traces or with personal information.

How does a cash purchase leave no trace or personal information? What about the CCTV cameras installed in stores and resellers? In the same way, hidden or high-definition cameras can be installed at the cash registers and then, based on the photo of the person, they will find a way to find the owner of the hardware wallet device. Can’t be as confident as possible in privacy in the age of high technology.

Also, it is not always possible to buy a hardware wallet device in your location and then you will inevitably have to buy online. In this case, it is better to act as the hero of this story in the article and register a separate email address for purchase from manufacturer (Trezor, for example), which you should not use anywhere else and never open emails from this email in order to avoid phishing emails. Only if you don't make a purchase from Trezor and don't confirm this action.

if you wear a covid mask and a baseball cap gloves and black sweatpants with black boots and walk out of the store get in a bike and into a location without cameras . you would likely be okay.

[Pmalek]

How does a cash purchase leave no trace or personal information? What about the CCTV cameras installed in stores and resellers? In the same way, hidden or high-definition cameras can be installed at the cash registers and then, based on the photo of the person, they will find a way to find the owner of the hardware wallet device. Can’t be as confident as possible in privacy in the age of high technology.

That's being way too paranoid than what is a healthy dosage. If you start thinking like that, you will never walk into a bank to take cash from your account or use an ATM because those have cameras as well.

You are not leaving digital traces if you purchase from a shop in person. You are not filling out an online form with your private information and leave details about your financial data. You are also not revealing your address and where you live. All that gets saved in a central database that can be hacked and leaked online as we have seen many time. CCTV camera footage can also leak, but no one is going to sit there analyzing who bought what and be on the lookout for hardware wallet buyers to try identify and target them.

[m2017]

That's being way too paranoid than what is a healthy dosage. If you start thinking like that, you will never walk into a bank to take cash from your account or use an ATM because those have cameras as well.

This is completely different and should not be compared. The bank already has all the detailed information about you, your account, balance and transactions, as well as scans of your ID documents, biometrics. Banking cameras are the least evil that lives there.

In the case of cryptocurrencies and HW devices, no one knows who you are, what you have in your wallet and in what quantity, until you yourself “leak” information about it somewhere. By leaving any “strings” for your identification, be it a photo on a camera, you leave a loophole for the “vector” of attack. Let everyone determine the degree of their paranoia, because the consequences will only affect them.

You are not leaving digital traces if you purchase from a shop in person. You are not filling out an online form with your private information and leave details about your financial data. You are also not revealing your address and where you live. All that gets saved in a central database that can be hacked and leaked online as we have seen many time. CCTV camera footage can also leak, but no one is going to sit there analyzing who bought what and be on the lookout for hardware wallet buyers to try identify and target them.

How do you know this for sure? If I were a malefactor, I would do exactly that. Every buyer of hardware wallets probably has some money in their wallet, but a $5 wrench will tell you exactly how much.

While trying not to leave your traces when purchasing online, we must not forget about the possible traces left behind offline. Offline purchases are not a 100% solution to this problem, that’s all.

if you wear a covid mask and a baseball cap gloves and black sweatpants with black boots and walk out of the store get in a bike and into a location without cameras . you would likely be okay.

As are the times, so are the ways to protect your privacy.

[Pmalek]

How do you know this for sure? If I were a malefactor, I would do exactly that. Every buyer of hardware wallets probably has some money in their wallet, but a $5 wrench will tell you exactly how much.

Who are you protecting yourself from exactly? The person behind the counter and everyone else working in the shop where you buy your hardware wallet or someone who might hack or gain access to the security camera footage recording you as you are purchasing your device? Perhaps it's both.

Here is some more food for thought for the paranoid. If you park your personal car in front or close to the shop, those malefactors you spoke about can take note of your license plate as you leave the shop with your new hardware wallet. 

[m2017]

How do you know this for sure? If I were a malefactor, I would do exactly that. Every buyer of hardware wallets probably has some money in their wallet, but a $5 wrench will tell you exactly how much.

Who are you protecting yourself from exactly? The person behind the counter and everyone else working in the shop where you buy your hardware wallet or someone who might hack or gain access to the security camera footage recording you as you are purchasing your device? Perhaps it's both.

I agree with you. In this case, both options are possible, each of which can pose a threat.

Perhaps should protect yourself from everyone or have you forgotten the law of the jungle? There will always be people who want easy money, especially when the victim makes their task easier.

Here is some more food for thought for the paranoid. If you park your personal car in front or close to the shop, those malefactors you spoke about can take note of your license plate as you leave the shop with your new hardware wallet. 

I didn’t think of this myself. Paranoid people should take note of this, in case it comes in handy for someone. Also, paranoid people should not take their phone with them, so as not to be tracked (not identified) by the cellular signal. When various technical devices surround at every turn, the risk of screwing up only increases. I don't impose this point of view. Let everyone make a choice according to their convictions.

A little off topic: Do you know what kind of paranoia Hemingway had all his life? But over time it was confirmed that he was right, and not at all paranoid.

[Pmalek]

The Trezor team released a Q&A a few days ago where they answered several common questions about the new Trezor Safe 3. Nothing spectacular or revealing there, but you can check it out at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yok2uANTFg if you are interested. They briefly mention the new secure element and support for 12/24-word seeds. They confirmed that they are planning to ship the Trezor Safe 3 preorders mid-November. So everything is moving according to plan. 

[apogio]

Has anybody bought the bitcoin only limited edition? I am curious to hear a review about it. I think the will start being shipped soon so when anyone receives it, let us know your thoughts.

[Pmalek]

Has anybody bought the bitcoin only limited edition? I am curious to hear a review about it.

Or a review for the universal model for that matter. They are the same wallets with identical hardware powering them. The only difference is in the design of the back cover.

I think the will start being shipped soon so when anyone receives it, let us know your thoughts.

As I said in my previous post and after watching the Trezor Q&A:

They confirmed that they are planning to ship the Trezor Safe 3 preorders mid-November.

[dkbit98]

Has anybody bought the bitcoin only limited edition? I am curious to hear a review about it. I think the will start being shipped soon so when anyone receives it, let us know your thoughts.

It's the same like regular version of Trezor 3, and as far as I heard only difference is bitcoin-only firmware and different back plate color/design.
I talked with Trezor team about releasing .stl files for case, that would be cool for DIY projects, but they won't release them in public this time.  

[Pmalek]

Trezor has announced over social media that they have started shipping the Trezor Safe 3 device to those who pre-ordered their hardware wallets.
They have also announced discounts that will start with Black Friday Week in 6 days.
https://content.trezor.io/black-week-2023

[dkbit98]

They have also announced discounts that will start with Black Friday Week in 6 days.
https://content.trezor.io/black-week-2023

I saw their announcement about Black Friday discount and I hope it won't be for accessories, silicone masks, and everything else except for hardware wallets, like they did in previous years  
Let's wait and see what happens in next few days, but this could be a good chance to spend some gains from this bull run.

[Pmalek]

I saw their announcement about Black Friday discount and I hope it won't be for accessories, silicone masks, and everything else except for hardware wallets, like they did in previous years  

It's going to be a combination of everything. They are talking about hardware wallets, wallet accessories, and special promotions for bundles. They are calling it their biggest sale of the year, so hopefully it's not a marketing trick.
https://twitter.com/Trezor/status/1724080857000944028

Whatever happens, they might piss off their clients who purchased the Trezor Safe 3 during pre-order stage at full price. They just started shipping those. And now if they offer a 20-50% discount on the same product, those who preordered it aren't going to be very happy about it. But I think the biggest discount for their hardware wallet products will be for the Trezor T to avoid exactly that.

[SFR10]

Whatever happens, they might piss off their clients who purchased the Trezor Safe 3 during pre-order stage at full price. They just started shipping those. And now if they offer a 20-50% discount on the same product, those who preordered it aren't going to be very happy about it.

You have a point, but considering that the Safe 3 is the only HW that doesn't have any bundle listings in Trezor, I think that's where they'd be giving the discounts in order to minimize its impact on those who ordered only a single Safe 3 wallet.

But I think the biggest discount for their hardware wallet products will be for the Trezor T

Same here, and that's the only way to justify getting that HW with its overinflated price tag.

[Hispo]

Trezor has announced over social media that they have started shipping the Trezor Safe 3 device to those who pre-ordered their hardware wallets.
They have also announced discounts that will start with Black Friday Week in 6 days.
https://content.trezor.io/black-week-2023

Keeping in mind their previous history on Black Friday events, I would not be surprised if these incoming offers ended up being quite underwhelming. Last year even Ledger had better offers than them, which is quite disappointing, if we remember how popularity of ledger has decreased because their lastest software and recovery choices for their clients.
It this new Trezor 3 does not come with a discount up to a 20%, I would not even bother to track an international package and pay a freight forwarder for a such a lackluster saving of money. 

I may even take a look better the Jade wallet have got some offers this year instead of Trezor.

[dkbit98]

I may even take a look better the Jade wallet have got some offers this year instead of Trezor.

I doubt Blockstream will give any discounts for their Jade hardware wallet, but it's so easy to create your own DIY Jade cheaper than this, without leaving any personal information to Blockstream.
You can already load Jade firmware on bunch of dirt cheap ESP32 devices like TTGO (Lilygo) T-Display, M5Stack M5StickC PLUS, M5Stack Basic Core, M5Stack FIRE, etc.
https://github.com/Blockstream/Jade/tree/master/diy