The International 12 [Dota 2, eSport] discussion thread

[vennali]

We are just a few days away from the kick off of the biggest eSports tournament of the year, TI 12. The twelfth annual edition of The International starts on 12th October, which will take place at Seattle, Washington.
Unlike previous years, The International for this year is split into two distinct phases; the group stage and playoffs (until top are announced as under the phase The Road to The International, while the playoffs for the remaining 8 teams are announced as The International itself.

Current prize pool


TI 12 prize at the time of writing : $2,937,639


In this year's Group Stage format, four groups of five teams will play round-robin games over two days, with the bottom team in each group getting eliminated. Then, the second half of Group Stage begins, with head-to-head matches between the remaining 16 teams. Victory in these final matches determine placement for Playoffs weekend: The winning teams will enter Playoffs in the Upper Bracket, the losing teams in the Lower Bracket. Here are this year's groups:


 

Will edit in the teams and its logos as more info is available along with the updated prizepool. The fixtures should be officially available in a day or two.

Who are you rooting for?

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[dothebeats]

Not really a fan of that prize pool, but it is what it is. Valve inching away from the grandest prize pools in the eSports industry is something you would not expect from them, especially since League is faring better in the tournament format and viewership albeit the lower prize pools as well. Perhaps this will be the first TI that I'm not hyped at all, since I believe that teams will no longer try hard to win given that the same prize pools can be had on future majors.

[edmundduke]

Not really a fan of that prize pool, but it is what it is. Valve inching away from the grandest prize pools in the eSports industry is something you would not expect from them, especially since League is faring better in the tournament format and viewership albeit the lower prize pools as well. Perhaps this will be the first TI that I'm not hyped at all, since I believe that teams will no longer try hard to win given that the same prize pools can be had on future majors.

Why not be excited about the best teams competing in the largest Dota 2 tournament instead of fixating on a number. The games are still going to amazing and the prize pool is still big enough to make it worth it for all of the teams involved. (Valves contribution has not changed i believe)
The main culprit behind the lower start to the prize pool is the compendium changes.

[dothebeats]

Not really a fan of that prize pool, but it is what it is. Valve inching away from the grandest prize pools in the eSports industry is something you would not expect from them, especially since League is faring better in the tournament format and viewership albeit the lower prize pools as well. Perhaps this will be the first TI that I'm not hyped at all, since I believe that teams will no longer try hard to win given that the same prize pools can be had on future majors.

Why not be excited about the best teams competing in the largest Dota 2 tournament instead of fixating on a number. The games are still going to amazing and the prize pool is still big enough to make it worth it for all of the teams involved. (Valves contribution has not changed i believe)
The main culprit behind the lower start to the prize pool is the compendium changes.

I just feel like it's not the same anymore. As a supporter of the battle pass since its inception, and skipping this one, I feel like Valve has to do more and cater to the teams and the fans that has stuck with them throughout these years. With the lackluster content of the compendium, plus the decreased prize pool, I feel like teams won't be tryharding as much, as they can place okay-ish in TI and just get most of their wins in the next tournaments.

A lot have already expressed their disappointments with this year's tournament and format. I'd probably watch it still though I'm sure I'll not be buying the compendium at all.

[edmundduke]

Not really a fan of that prize pool, but it is what it is. Valve inching away from the grandest prize pools in the eSports industry is something you would not expect from them, especially since League is faring better in the tournament format and viewership albeit the lower prize pools as well. Perhaps this will be the first TI that I'm not hyped at all, since I believe that teams will no longer try hard to win given that the same prize pools can be had on future majors.

Why not be excited about the best teams competing in the largest Dota 2 tournament instead of fixating on a number. The games are still going to amazing and the prize pool is still big enough to make it worth it for all of the teams involved. (Valves contribution has not changed i believe)
The main culprit behind the lower start to the prize pool is the compendium changes.

I just feel like it's not the same anymore. As a supporter of the battle pass since its inception, and skipping this one, I feel like Valve has to do more and cater to the teams and the fans that has stuck with them throughout these years. With the lackluster content of the compendium, plus the decreased prize pool, I feel like teams won't be tryharding as much, as they can place okay-ish in TI and just get most of their wins in the next tournaments.

A lot have already expressed their disappointments with this year's tournament and format. I'd probably watch it still though I'm sure I'll not be buying the compendium at all.

Btw, i agree that the compendium this year really does not live up to the standard set by Valve themselves. I think the prizepool is still large enough tho, and i am sure it will keep growing aswell!
This seems to be a general trend however (im not 100% certain how big of a role this plays, but im certain it does) that a lot of esports leagues are pulling back prizepools if not shutting down entirely. The entire e-sports industry was way too overvalued and expenses way too high.

[ralle14]

I want to root for TL but the odds look deceiving when Team Spirit and Shopify Rebellion could continue to roll over the teams they meet while the previous top teams (GG and TL) are still in recovery mode.

Not really a fan of that prize pool, but it is what it is. Valve inching away from the grandest prize pools in the eSports industry is something you would not expect from them, especially since League is faring better in the tournament format and viewership albeit the lower prize pools as well. Perhaps this will be the first TI that I'm not hyped at all, since I believe that teams will no longer try hard to win given that the same prize pools can be had on future majors.

Maybe they want us to view the scene similarly to League's tournaments since it's gaining success despite the smaller prize pool. I also have the same expectation for this year's TI but I hope the teams prove us wrong and still show some top-tier Dota when every part of the DPC season this year comes down to this main tournament.

[Fatunad]

Not really a fan of that prize pool, but it is what it is. Valve inching away from the grandest prize pools in the eSports industry is something you would not expect from them, especially since League is faring better in the tournament format and viewership albeit the lower prize pools as well. Perhaps this will be the first TI that I'm not hyped at all, since I believe that teams will no longer try hard to win given that the same prize pools can be had on future majors.

Why not be excited about the best teams competing in the largest Dota 2 tournament instead of fixating on a number. The games are still going to amazing and the prize pool is still big enough to make it worth it for all of the teams involved. (Valves contribution has not changed i believe)
The main culprit behind the lower start to the prize pool is the compendium changes.

I just feel like it's not the same anymore. As a supporter of the battle pass since its inception, and skipping this one, I feel like Valve has to do more and cater to the teams and the fans that has stuck with them throughout these years. With the lackluster content of the compendium, plus the decreased prize pool, I feel like teams won't be tryharding as much, as they can place okay-ish in TI and just get most of their wins in the next tournaments.

A lot have already expressed their disappointments with this year's tournament and format. I'd probably watch it still though I'm sure I'll not be buying the compendium at all.

Buying up that compendium is shit and not really worth. You would really be only getting those shiny stickers and some chatwheel. Yes, its cheap but not really that liking to buy but some of my friends did really purchase
that level 1 and trying out to grind their level until they would really be able to reach out that level 300 which you could have that plaque of Aegis which it isnt really that bad to be some sort of collectors item.
Even myself did really get disappointed that we havent seen those shiny and glorious arcanas that we do have on last years or in previous Battle pass but now this year do really sucks.
Some said that arcana and battle pass would really be after of this tournament. So whats the point on launching it late?  Lots of people do really get disappointed on this one including myself.
We've been waitng for a whole year and since pandemic has been lift up then we are expecting that huge crowd on this years TI but turns out to be a huge disappointment.

[Twentyonepaylots]

Not really a fan of that prize pool, but it is what it is. Valve inching away from the grandest prize pools in the eSports industry is something you would not expect from them, especially since League is faring better in the tournament format and viewership albeit the lower prize pools as well. Perhaps this will be the first TI that I'm not hyped at all, since I believe that teams will no longer try hard to win given that the same prize pools can be had on future majors.

Why not be excited about the best teams competing in the largest Dota 2 tournament instead of fixating on a number. The games are still going to amazing and the prize pool is still big enough to make it worth it for all of the teams involved. (Valves contribution has not changed i believe)
The main culprit behind the lower start to the prize pool is the compendium changes.

I just feel like it's not the same anymore. As a supporter of the battle pass since its inception, and skipping this one, I feel like Valve has to do more and cater to the teams and the fans that has stuck with them throughout these years. With the lackluster content of the compendium, plus the decreased prize pool, I feel like teams won't be tryharding as much, as they can place okay-ish in TI and just get most of their wins in the next tournaments.

Same feels about this year's TI.

 I've started playing Dota at the age of 13 when it is still Dota1, my friends taught me how to play it, and it has been my go-to game up to this date. When I transitioned to Dota2, I've been always excited to watch these players clash for the TI tournament, as the yearly tournament progresses like its prize pool it gets more interesting to watch. However this year's TI doesn't beat the last one, it is okay from my view but it would be great if they did. BUT I would disagree that teams won't try hard to win the TI, it is every players dream to actually hold the TI's trophy, more than the money they could get out of the tournament.

A lot have already expressed their disappointments with this year's tournament and format. I'd probably watch it still though I'm sure I'll not be buying the compendium at all.

This might be disappointing but we know valve, they aren't perfect and they will learn from this. Dota has million of fans that will support the tournaments and they know it, not just this year  

[vennali]

I just feel like it's not the same anymore. As a supporter of the battle pass since its inception, and skipping this one, I feel like Valve has to do more and cater to the teams and the fans that has stuck with them throughout these years.
A lot have already expressed their disappointments with this year's tournament and format. I'd probably watch it still though I'm sure I'll not be buying the compendium at all.

Yeah, no battle pass and because of that, there's not much hype or increase in the number of people playing Dota right before TI. I think its a conscious move from valve's part to devalue TI so that the other tournaments become a lot more significant. There won't be as haphazard roaster changes like it happens before and after TI. On the long run, it might be better for players on the whole I suppose. So, that everyone is not underpressure to win or perform extraordinarily well to even carry on with Dota as a career.

[passwordnow]

Hello Vennali, I'll help you with the players and teams that you need to edit out from the table since a lot of players and teams from the list won't be present and participate on TI.

Team Secret~ Nisha, MATUMBAMAN, zai, YapzOr, Puppey

There is no Team Secret on TI12 (2023) but Zai and Nisha are participating through their recent team which is Team Liquid.

Virtus.pro~ Nightfall, gpk, DM, Save-, Kingslayer

This is an old roster of VP, the new roster consists of Kiritych~, squad1x, Noticed, sayuw, and Fng.

Invictus Gaming~ flyfly, Emo, JT-, Kaka, Oli

There is no IG on this TI12 (2023).

Evil Geniuses~ Arteezy, Abed, iceiceice, Cr1t-, Fly

They are now former EG but their new team name is Shopify Rebellion which they will also participate on this TI. There's a new EG roster the South American boys.

PSG.LGD~ Ame, NothingToSay, Faith_bian, XinQ, y`

Ame and Faith_Bian have already retired and they're no longer part of PSG.LGD. However, PSG.LGD is named now as LGD gaming because PSG sponsors now Quest so that makes PSG Quest.

Anyway, the list keeps on going for the edit and you'll surely need a lot of time for it. This is the list of participating teams for your reference mate: https://liquipedia.net/dota2/The_International/2023

Who are you rooting for?

I want to see arteezy win a TI before he retires but this participating teams are all good and it's just so hard to root to any of them. We've got 1 day before the start of the group stages.

[Darker45]

OP, I don't know what sources you used or where you got your data, but it seems they're not updated. Liquipedia has got it all. For TI 2023, here's the Liquipedia page for it: https://liquipedia.net/dota2/The_International/2023.

Everything's there. From the updated prize pool, which is now $2,933,270, to the teams that qualified, their respective players, their categories, and so on.

It seems the excitement of TI is getting weaker and weaker. The decision to retire the Battle Pass surely affected it. The ordinary fans and players worldwide always looked forward to it. Not to mention that it was also a huge source of money for the prize pool.

Not anymore updated with DOTA II, but I might still watch some games and place small bets.

[vennali]

OP, I don't know what sources you used or where you got your data, but it seems they're not updated. Liquipedia has got it all. For TI 2023, here's the Liquipedia page for it: https://liquipedia.net/dota2/The_International/2023.

Everything's there. From the updated prize pool, which is now $2,933,270, to the teams that qualified, their respective players, their categories, and so on.

It seems the excitement of TI is getting weaker and weaker. The decision to retire the Battle Pass surely affected it. The ordinary fans and players worldwide always looked forward to it. Not to mention that it was also a huge source of money for the prize pool.

Not anymore updated with DOTA II, but I might still watch some games and place small bets.

This has been updated 2-3 hours ago. There was no info regarding that until now. I will be updating at least once a day, until TI ends. Hopefully from now on, the excitement will build on!

[sompitonov]

OP, I don't know what sources you used or where you got your data, but it seems they're not updated. Liquipedia has got it all. For TI 2023, here's the Liquipedia page for it: https://liquipedia.net/dota2/The_International/2023.

Everything's there. From the updated prize pool, which is now $2,933,270, to the teams that qualified, their respective players, their categories, and so on.

It seems the excitement of TI is getting weaker and weaker. The decision to retire the Battle Pass surely affected it. The ordinary fans and players worldwide always looked forward to it. Not to mention that it was also a huge source of money for the prize pool.

Not anymore updated with DOTA II, but I might still watch some games and place small bets.

Valve introduced the people who will cover TI12. And at the same time, the developers added personal bundles of all casters to the game - the most expensive version of such a set costs $19.99. On reddit, users began jokingly saying that casters would now become richer than direct TI participants.
I guess this is not a joke. For example, teams from 17th to 20th place - $8,500 per team, $1,700 per person. Casters can supposedly receive from 10k$ - $20k$ if you count on average, taking into account past TIs and that casters will receive 50% of all sales of their bundles.
I can't stop laughing because of this, sorry 

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I'm absolutely thrilled for TI 12 this year! It's always an exciting time of the year for Dota 2 fans, and the split format this year adds an extra layer of anticipation. It's going to be interesting to see how the new format plays out, and I'm looking forward to seeing all of the top teams duke it out for the championship.

it's a tough choice as there are so many strong teams in the scene but I'm always a fan of the underdogs, there are always surprises.  I'm also hoping to see some new teams and players make a splash at TI.
Can't wait to see which teams rise to the occasion and make history at The International 12!

[Wapfika]

I’m rooting for Team Spirit to win this year competition. They show an insane domination on the last 2 tournament prior to the TI which is the same pattern when they first get their TI title. Larl is finally working well for TS member while collapse is already find his game on the current patch which is typically the game changer on most of their aside from Yatoro being monster as pos 1.

Regardless of the prize pool of the TI. I think everyone still preferred the title which makes this tournament still worthy to watch. I can’t think a team that can match TS now.

[vennali]

Hello Vennali, I'll help you with the players and teams that you need to edit out from the table since a lot of players and teams from the list won't be present and participate on TI.

I want to see arteezy win a TI before he retires but this participating teams are all good and it's just so hard to root to any of them. We've got 1 day before the start of the group stages.

Thanks mate! Yes, the list was finally out today. I'll update it accordingly.

I'd also like RTZ to do well in the tournament but I have a feeling that he's not in touch with the meta like the Team Spirits, The Gaming Gladiators etc. That's the issue with a lot of older players. They are highly skillful but not that quick to get accustomed to the meta. That being said, its upto the team captain and the coaching staff to give him the best chance to carry the games. RTZ has a highly skillful squad around him to get he best out of him. Only time will tell.

[edmundduke]

Hello Vennali, I'll help you with the players and teams that you need to edit out from the table since a lot of players and teams from the list won't be present and participate on TI.

I want to see arteezy win a TI before he retires but this participating teams are all good and it's just so hard to root to any of them. We've got 1 day before the start of the group stages.

Thanks mate! Yes, the list was finally out today. I'll update it accordingly.

I'd also like RTZ to do well in the tournament but I have a feeling that he's not in touch with the meta like the Team Spirits, The Gaming Gladiators etc. That's the issue with a lot of older players. They are highly skillful but not that quick to get accustomed to the meta. That being said, its upto the team captain and the coaching staff to give him the best chance to carry the games. RTZ has a highly skillful squad around him to get he best out of him. Only time will tell.

i havent watched Dota 2 in quite a few years and oh man have the teams changed lol. So many new faces there. Im guessing i have to go with either Rebellion or Team Liquid as those still have players i remember but will see how this plays out.
Also not much longer now till start

[passwordnow]

Hello Vennali, I'll help you with the players and teams that you need to edit out from the table since a lot of players and teams from the list won't be present and participate on TI.

I want to see arteezy win a TI before he retires but this participating teams are all good and it's just so hard to root to any of them. We've got 1 day before the start of the group stages.

Thanks mate! Yes, the list was finally out today. I'll update it accordingly.

You're welcome mate, well done. We've got less than a day until the entire first match of the group stages starts.

I'd also like RTZ to do well in the tournament but I have a feeling that he's not in touch with the meta like the Team Spirits, The Gaming Gladiators etc. That's the issue with a lot of older players. They are highly skillful but not that quick to get accustomed to the meta. That being said, its upto the team captain and the coaching staff to give him the best chance to carry the games. RTZ has a highly skillful squad around him to get he best out of him. Only time will tell.

Now that you've said about Team Spirit, they're just like lowkey dominating the last tournaments honestly. They're the best candidate now to win this TI and have a two-peat for this championship. Gaimin gladiator is strong and made a well-known run for the whole year but not with the last tournaments however, that could be a strategy for them to preserve themselves for this main event. We're counting on Arteezy and his gang, Shopify Rebellion. But we wouldn't be surprised if they don't win and it's like Team Spirit or Gaimin Gladiators.

i havent watched Dota 2 in quite a few years and oh man have the teams changed lol. So many new faces there. Im guessing i have to go with either Rebellion or Team Liquid as those still have players i remember but will see how this plays out.
Also not much longer now till start

That's totally fine mate, it's just so exciting to see when you haven't watched for a long time and you see unfamiliar faces when you go back. If you've seen the performances of Team Liquid for this year prior to TI, they always been a 2nd finisher and always lose to Gaimin Gladiators but maybe this time they'll come back stronger.

[edmundduke]

That's totally fine mate, it's just so exciting to see when you haven't watched for a long time and you see unfamiliar faces when you go back. If you've seen the performances of Team Liquid for this year prior to TI, they always been a 2nd finisher and always lose to Gaimin Gladiators but maybe this time they'll come back stronger.

I tried getting back into Dota 2 myself a few months back but so much has changed, it is so hard to keep up! It felt so much easier back in the day. Also i still remember the finals from Ti 3 with NaVi vs Alliance, now that was a GLORIOUS finals.
When looking at all of the rosters i still know some of the guys but not many. Also pretty sad that Team Secret didnt make it, broke Puppeys streak of TI runs

[Twentyonepaylots]

I’m rooting for Team Spirit to win this year competition. They show an insane domination on the last 2 tournament prior to the TI which is the same pattern when they first get their TI title.

I definitely agree. Team Spirit is the most favorite this TI after winning the last tournament, I just hope they don't make a amess to this TI12 like what they did last year. Yatoro is something of a carry, he reminds me of AME of psg.lgd, a very good carry who can come back after losing early and mid game. His performance last tournament is very consistent plus the 3-0 in the grand finals against the Shopify Rebellion is just so satisfying to watch.

Larl is finally working well for TS member while collapse is already find his game on the current patch which is typically the game changer on most of their aside from Yatoro being monster as pos 1.

Larl being the weakest link in early days of being TS is expected, I don't really think it is a serious matter for TS but having just enough time to get along with the TS play style, will give Larl the chance to dominate with TS. But I see Larl as nothing against other team's Mid laner, like Abed and NTS.

Regardless of the prize pool of the TI. I think everyone still preferred the title which makes this tournament still worthy to watch. I can’t think a team that can match TS now.

From my past comment, for players this isn't about the money they can get but the recognition to win a TI is more of a life accomplishment that can't be erased.