The International 12 [Dota 2, eSport] discussion thread

[xLays]

I haven't had much time to follow the games yet, however, I am very surprised that Team Spirit continues to show such a stable result. This cannot speak of anything else but true professionalism, even though the composition has changed.
I am sure that they will enter the top three on this championship, because they are looks like a single organism, as LGD. Gaming and any asian strong team.  
Yatoro the best.

What surprised me the most was PSG Quest's early exit in Phase One. I never thought they would be eliminated so soon especially when they were in the same bracket as Talon Esport and Keyd Stars the teams I thought would be the ones to exit in my opinion.
Phase Two matches are so exciting and predictable. I have bet all the teams in the rows above. Thoughts?

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[edmundduke]

Another round of games done and looks like we have the same suspects at top. Spirit with 0 losses, quite surprising, thought they would drop a round. Liquid and LGD are less surprising but im am a little surprised with Tundra. I know they have some great oldschool players but i did not expect to make such a good showing. They did arguably have some luck with teh group they are in but still.

[boltz]

I was hyped for this type of format but after 2 days , the amount of games have been cut in half and I was used to see 12 hours per day of Dota during the first 3 days of TI but this new format took it all away .

Anyway , I think Shopify will make a big surprise today and eliminate Spirit in lower bracket and if that happens , I think Spirit can clear that Lower Bracket without any problems  as only luck can defeat them right now.

[sompitonov]

Another round of games done and looks like we have the same suspects at top. Spirit with 0 losses, quite surprising, thought they would drop a round. Liquid and LGD are less surprising but im am a little surprised with Tundra. I know they have some great oldschool players but i did not expect to make such a good showing. They did arguably have some luck with teh group they are in but still.

Yes, Tundra also surprised me with its strength. Still, Topson shows an excellent result at Pugna after a long break. Team Spirit won't leave anyone a single chance. It will be very funny if we see the grand final of Team Spirit vs Tundra. It turns out that the winners of TI11 will play against the winners of TI10 

In general, now I like to watch the heroes who were picked to mid: Ogre Magi, Riki, Clinkz. Ogre Magi has already been used in three different positions. And as a mid player he was picked twice, and in both cases he won. Perhaps after this they will choose it more often, of course only those who know how to play it and have trained before.

[summonerrk]

Another round of games done and looks like we have the same suspects at top. Spirit with 0 losses, quite surprising, thought they would drop a round. Liquid and LGD are less surprising but im am a little surprised with Tundra. I know they have some great oldschool players but i did not expect to make such a good showing. They did arguably have some luck with teh group they are in but still.

Yes, Tundra also surprised me with its strength. Still, Topson shows an excellent result at Pugna after a long break. Team Spirit won't leave anyone a single chance. It will be very funny if we see the grand final of Team Spirit vs Tundra. It turns out that the winners of TI11 will play against the winners of TI10 

In general, now I like to watch the heroes who were picked to mid: Ogre Magi, Riki, Clinkz. Ogre Magi has already been used in three different positions. And as a mid player he was picked twice, and in both cases he won. Perhaps after this they will choose it more often, of course only those who know how to play it and have trained before.

Ogre Magi is similar to the imba of the current patch and it is quite obvious that you can bet on those teams in which the players showed nice gaming on his hero. I think we need a little more time and we will have a list of heroes who will also be strongly in the lead in the selections. I think Valve is unlikely to release a patch in the middle of the International to fix similar imba heroes.

I agree, the Tundra looks quite strong.

[edmundduke]

Another round of games done and looks like we have the same suspects at top. Spirit with 0 losses, quite surprising, thought they would drop a round. Liquid and LGD are less surprising but im am a little surprised with Tundra. I know they have some great oldschool players but i did not expect to make such a good showing. They did arguably have some luck with teh group they are in but still.

Yes, Tundra also surprised me with its strength. Still, Topson shows an excellent result at Pugna after a long break. Team Spirit won't leave anyone a single chance. It will be very funny if we see the grand final of Team Spirit vs Tundra. It turns out that the winners of TI11 will play against the winners of TI10 

In general, now I like to watch the heroes who were picked to mid: Ogre Magi, Riki, Clinkz. Ogre Magi has already been used in three different positions. And as a mid player he was picked twice, and in both cases he won. Perhaps after this they will choose it more often, of course only those who know how to play it and have trained before.

Ogre Magi is similar to the imba of the current patch and it is quite obvious that you can bet on those teams in which the players showed nice gaming on his hero. I think we need a little more time and we will have a list of heroes who will also be strongly in the lead in the selections. I think Valve is unlikely to release a patch in the middle of the International to fix similar imba heroes.

I agree, the Tundra looks quite strong.

Ogre has always been one of my most favourite heroes, even when he was nowhere near the meta. Just the face he makes and the possiblities the multicasts brought to him, he was a complete terror in bith low ranked games and in public games. I also agree that a patch wont likely happen. But overall looking at all the heroes, only 10 heroes remain not used. Thats actually pretty good!

[Coin_trader]

Anyone notice the visual bug on Liquipedia for Team Spirit vs Shopify? I was checking the tipster provide by Rand and it’s odd to see Alliance on the list while they are not a TI participants. 



Anyway any risk taker to bet +1.5 to Shopify? They manage to get one games on both their matches on the Riyadh Masters. I think this pick make since Shopify usually get 1 game on any of their opponents. Thoughts?

[summonerrk]

Ogre Magi is similar to the imba of the current patch and it is quite obvious that you can bet on those teams in which the players showed nice gaming on his hero. I think we need a little more time and we will have a list of heroes who will also be strongly in the lead in the selections. I think Valve is unlikely to release a patch in the middle of the International to fix similar imba heroes.

I agree, the Tundra looks quite strong.

Ogre has always been one of my most favourite heroes, even when he was nowhere near the meta. Just the face he makes and the possiblities the multicasts brought to him, he was a complete terror in bith low ranked games and in public games. I also agree that a patch wont likely happen. But overall looking at all the heroes, only 10 heroes remain not used. Thats actually pretty good!

This was the first hero I played in dota, and thanks to the simplicity of his skills, they can be played effectively at any ranks, even at the lowest. One of the great advantages of TI is that you can see how well professionals are able to use all the effectiveness of any hero and thus you can emphasize a lot of new knowledge for yourself. That's because it's a money game. Quite not small amounts

[vennali]

Anyone notice the visual bug on Liquipedia for Team Spirit vs Shopify? I was checking the tipster provide by Rand and it’s odd to see Alliance on the list while they are not a TI participants. 



Anyway any risk taker to bet +1.5 to Shopify? They manage to get one games on both their matches on the Riyadh Masters. I think this pick make since Shopify usually get 1 game on any of their opponents. Thoughts?

Not worth it. They arent playing well in the first place and they are up against the undefeated team Spirit. It should be an entertaining contest but I think they need a miracle(pun intended) to take a game off of team Spirit. Or they have to heavily outdraft them.

[vennali]

Upcoming matches, my picks would be.  Spirit, LGD, 9Pandas, VP, Liquid, Tundra, Gamin, Entity. Let's see how it goes.

[Coin_trader]

Anyone notice the visual bug on Liquipedia for Team Spirit vs Shopify? I was checking the tipster provide by Rand and it’s odd to see Alliance on the list while they are not a TI participants. 



Anyway any risk taker to bet +1.5 to Shopify? They manage to get one games on both their matches on the Riyadh Masters. I think this pick make since Shopify usually get 1 game on any of their opponents. Thoughts?

Not worth it. They arent playing well in the first place and they are up against the undefeated team Spirit. It should be an entertaining contest but I think they need a miracle(pun intended) to take a game off of team Spirit. Or they have to heavily outdraft them.

To be fair. Shopify has the chance to get game 1 with their early lead. They almost have the complete control over the map. I’m not sure what RTZ thinking for buying Midas while they are on lead instead of focusing on damage items or BKB which he badly needed. He is back again on farming game mentality.

Shopify is great team if they will have a better carry. Abed talent is wasted on team like this which can’t be rely on late game despite with a good early start. RTZ gameplay is so outdated. His game style is like the old chinese meta which is a farming game until late game before he become aggressive despite they have the lead. I dodge this bullet bet tonight.

[stomachgrowls]

Anyone notice the visual bug on Liquipedia for Team Spirit vs Shopify? I was checking the tipster provide by Rand and it’s odd to see Alliance on the list while they are not a TI participants. 



Anyway any risk taker to bet +1.5 to Shopify? They manage to get one games on both their matches on the Riyadh Masters. I think this pick make since Shopify usually get 1 game on any of their opponents. Thoughts?

Obviously it was just a mistake, i have even seen some local dota 2 page showing up those bracket match ups which TS vs SR showing repeatedly which it is really just that an obvious mistake.
For sure it has been fixed because we know on whose really that against with Team Spirit. Im watching now live TS vs SR which TS did get the game 1 and the current game is really just that a
match up. Dont know if SR would really be able to pull this one considering their line up is really that tanky and have that burst. Earth spirt of Abed once again could be seen which we know that hes really that
good with this hero but still they shouldn't really be that too confident considering that TS are really that also one of the comeback kings specially when the game is already taking too long or simply
long game. This is where they do really like to snowball. They are still undefeated therefore i could assume that its likely they would be closing this game dominating 2-0.

[passwordnow]

Upcoming matches, my picks would be.  Spirit, LGD, 9Pandas, VP, Liquid, Tundra, Gamin, Entity. Let's see how it goes.

The ones that are at the top will be matched today but on the bottom ones, they'll be by tomorrow. Team Spirit and Virtus.Pro secures the upper bracket and these are both CIS teams, they truly are strong. And the match that is happening now is with Team Liquid and EG, I think that this shouldn't be a question as the crowd's favorite is Team Liquid on this one. But who knows if EG will be able to snatch this series against Team Liquid, right? I'll wait until the match ends. It seems that there are a lot of CIS teams that could go to the upper bracket. I think that's so much better so that they can beat each other while the other teams from other regions can avoid them on the bracketing. After Team Liquid and EG, cast your bets with Talon and GG, which team you are going to bet on this one? GG is the favorite but Talon is like a random team that could beat them, LOL. Why I've said that? Sometimes 23savage plays unusually and moves like a thrower.

[dothebeats]

Anyone notice the visual bug on Liquipedia for Team Spirit vs Shopify? I was checking the tipster provide by Rand and it’s odd to see Alliance on the list while they are not a TI participants.  



Anyway any risk taker to bet +1.5 to Shopify? They manage to get one games on both their matches on the Riyadh Masters. I think this pick make since Shopify usually get 1 game on any of their opponents. Thoughts?

Not worth it. They arent playing well in the first place and they are up against the undefeated team Spirit. It should be an entertaining contest but I think they need a miracle(pun intended) to take a game off of team Spirit. Or they have to heavily outdraft them.

To be fair. Shopify has the chance to get game 1 with their early lead. They almost have the complete control over the map. I’m not sure what RTZ thinking for buying Midas while they are on lead instead of focusing on damage items or BKB which he badly needed. He is back again on farming game mentality.

Shopify is great team if they will have a better carry. Abed talent is wasted on team like this which can’t be rely on late game despite with a good early start. RTZ gameplay is so outdated. His game style is like the old chinese meta which is a farming game until late game before he become aggressive despite they have the lead. I dodge this bullet bet tonight.

Buying Midas while leading is actually a good way to extend the lead even further, especially if the hero has a lot of pushing power or benefits from the attack speed. With his TB in game 1, I guess he became overconfident on the rotations that his team is making against TS. I mean, they were 13-0 on the first 20 minutes of the game. That's the thing though, he never though that TS could easily target him in a clash, and the opposing team is ready to throw bodies in order to just get him in that clash and gain a huge exp and gold swing. If he skipped Midas, went straight Manta to BKB, they could have had a huge pushing pressure against TS, but it seems that Artour is still busy farming up until the last second of that first game.

[vennali]

Just witnessed a crazy crazy game against Gamin vs Talon, Game 2. lasted over 60 mins! I think the PA nerf has worked, at least in pros. It doesn't look that OP as it used to. I don't know why gamin keep picking Pango? even though Quinn himself made a rant about how Pango isnt great as a core. The last SEA team somehow managed to win game 2. Game 3, the decider coming up next to see who gets to the upper bracket, and who goes into lower.

[edmundduke]

Just witnessed a crazy crazy game against Gamin vs Talon, Game 2. lasted over 60 mins! I think the PA nerf has worked, at least in pros. It doesn't look that OP as it used to. I don't know why gamin keep picking Pango? even though Quinn himself made a rant about how Pango isnt great as a core. The last SEA team somehow managed to win game 2. Game 3, the decider coming up next to see who gets to the upper bracket, and who goes into lower.

That game was insane! I was up way too long looking at that one lol!
I checked out the Shopify Rebellion vs Team Spirit in the morning and i have to say that RTZ is really underwhelming. The team in Rebellion is actually playing well but damn, but it really feels its the carry... sad as that is.

[len01]

I tried getting back into Dota 2 myself a few months back but so much has changed, it is so hard to keep up! It felt so much easier back in the day. Also i still remember the finals from Ti 3 with NaVi vs Alliance, now that was a GLORIOUS finals.
When looking at all of the rosters i still know some of the guys but not many. Also pretty sad that Team Secret didnt make it, broke Puppeys streak of TI runs

ah, it seems I missed the news regarding this thread.

I used to be active in Dota 2 but unfortunately I left for a long time and I still remember the glory days of NaVi when there were Dendi and Puppey. do you still remember Dendi using Pudge and Peppey using Chen and trying to do Hook to Fountain? I am sure you still remember.

but those interesting times have changed and everything does not look like it used to be, I am even little disappointed that Team Secret could not qualify to appear at TI12

[passwordnow]

Just witnessed a crazy crazy game against Gamin vs Talon, Game 2. lasted over 60 mins! I think the PA nerf has worked, at least in pros. It doesn't look that OP as it used to. I don't know why gamin keep picking Pango? even though Quinn himself made a rant about how Pango isnt great as a core. The last SEA team somehow managed to win game 2. Game 3, the decider coming up next to see who gets to the upper bracket, and who goes into lower.

That was unexpected honestly, everybody thought that Talon Esports would be knocked out too easily and they'll be sent to the lower bracket but then, they've just beaten the team that's considered the strongest for this year because of their achievements in so many tournaments that have passed. But that's it, a team changes into beast form when they're on the appearance on TI, and GG wasn't the strongest one. Maybe they'll also have the motto just as the old Team Liquid that upper bracket is just for the b****es and that's why they'll go the hard way and we will see if they will.

That game was insane! I was up way too long looking at that one lol!
I checked out the Shopify Rebellion vs Team Spirit in the morning and i have to say that RTZ is really underwhelming. The team in Rebellion is actually playing well but damn, but it really feels its the carry... sad as that is.

Many have counted for Shopify Rebellion but that match of theirs wasn't for them and Arteezy seems to have a different build shop because he didn't buy to have BKB. Isn't he the same as the SEA pub players who don't wanna buy a BKB? LOL, that's like the comment that I have seen in every post pertaining to their match against Team Spirit but even with that, Team Spirit is just as strong as they have always been.

[AbuBhakar]

ah, it seems I missed the news regarding this thread.

I used to be active in Dota 2 but unfortunately I left for a long time and I still remember the glory days of NaVi when there were Dendi and Puppey. do you still remember Dendi using Pudge and Peppey using Chen and trying to do Hook to Fountain? I am sure you still remember.

I’m not active on playing Dota2 either but I’m updated on the patches as well as the teams since I’m always watching tournaments. Judging on your comment seems you are way too long outdated on Dota2 since Navi is one of the oldest team that become popular on the Dota2 pro scene.

but those interesting times have changed and everything does not look like it used to be, I am even little disappointed that Team Secret could not qualify to appear at TI12

What year you last watch Team Secret matches because they are not that really strong anymore with their current line-up. They have a good run last year on TI finishing 2nd place but that’s it. They already change roster which makes them back at square one on building strong team.

[sompitonov]

LGD Gaming vs Keyd Stars ended with the expected score of 2-0. Incredibly boring match. They are similar to Team Spirit games, which destroy everyone without a chance. Now I’m looking forward to the “CIS battle” of BetBoom vs 9Pandas, from this game I expect the most spectacular playoff match, maybe it will even compare with yesterday’s great game Talon.

Too many users believe in the victory of BetBoom Team, one bookmaker shows that 96% users bet on them. I would go against the crowd and bet on 9Pandas with odds of x2.80. Even if they lose the odds look very good at least to me. Going against crowd the smart move, even in our crypto sphere.