The International 12 [Dota 2, eSport] discussion thread

[summonerrk]

VP vs Team Spirit. The team in red hot form, Team Spirit seem to be in danger. Spirit lost game 1 and honestly, for game 2, I like VP's draft. it's gonna be interesting if Team spirit does lose 2-0 after looking unbeatable in the road to TI.

VP is putting on a real fight! Did not really see this coming. I think we will see a game 3. I am expecting them to win the third game but still a really stron gplay by VP. - OMG THAT GAME 2 END!
As for other games i think winners will be Liquid, LGD and maybe AR (tho im not really sure on this one, games gona be a tossup)

Yes, no one expected that Team Spirit would receive such strong resistance from Virtus.Pro, and such strong resistance that many began to think that Team Spirit would not be able to win. This was noticeable in the odds changing from match to match. Bookmakers already after the first map began to give almost equal odds for the victories of both teams!
Nevertheless, Tim Spirit was able to control his emotions and show an incredible level, especially Yatoro playing Muerta, and then Sven.

[vennali]

What is Shopify doing? Such a disappointment. First game with Willow on RTZ, never really got it going and then game 2 with Morph while giving away SD and Kasane's special Lycan who has 70+ win % on his 2nd most picked hero. Lycan, Luna, Snap.. just push way too hard and there's Mag with a big ult to save, incase things don't go as planned. TSM advances and sets up a date with Nouns.

[vennali]

The International 2023 Playoffs — Day 2 Standings. Unexpected Nouns make it through.

[edmundduke]

Such a bad performance by Shopify Rebellion, i was expecting way more from them. I expect Talons and VP to win their respective matches and both to move on. That match should be REALLY fun! After the VP vs Team Spirit game i would give the edge to VP tho, they certainly have the potential.

[summonerrk]

Such a bad performance by Shopify Rebellion, i was expecting way more from them. I expect Talons and VP to win their respective matches and both to move on. That match should be REALLY fun! After the VP vs Team Spirit game i would give the edge to VP tho, they certainly have the potential.

Virtus.pros were definitely very strong and I think that now they believe in themselves, even if they lost to Team Spirit. But they realized own power. Everyone has already realized that Magnus, Kunkka, Bristleback, Spectrum, Baratrum are very strong in the current meta. It is not difficult to notice that these are heroes with the Strength parameter, and now the teams have seen this and will adjust their peaks to this.

Well, there is very little time left before the Tundra - Entity match, and we will find out who the will play against VP...

[boltz]

Such a bad performance by Shopify Rebellion, i was expecting way more from them. I expect Talons and VP to win their respective matches and both to move on. That match should be REALLY fun! After the VP vs Team Spirit game i would give the edge to VP tho, they certainly have the potential.

Awful performance indeed and a disband might be the correct way for the org but also for some players because in my opinion , RTZ lost his touch and he no longer plays or adapt to modern dota. Second reason would be that Bulba drafts have been bad lately but the chemistry between players is no longer there.

Talon series is very rough as BB just won their series and will play in aprox 4hours from now.

[edmundduke]

Such a bad performance by Shopify Rebellion, i was expecting way more from them. I expect Talons and VP to win their respective matches and both to move on. That match should be REALLY fun! After the VP vs Team Spirit game i would give the edge to VP tho, they certainly have the potential.

Awful performance indeed and a disband might be the correct way for the org but also for some players because in my opinion , RTZ lost his touch and he no longer plays or adapt to modern dota. Second reason would be that Bulba drafts have been bad lately but the chemistry between players is no longer there.

Talon series is very rough as BB just won their series and will play in aprox 4hours from now.

I think you are correct about Rebellion. It feels like they might do better if they dispand and try to find other teams where they have more chemistry.
Also i did not see Talon loosing to BB! Now we get BB vs VP I dont really even know who to bet on that one because its russian dota vs russian dota, you never know what happens there.

[summonerrk]

It was just incredible matches from Virtus.pro!
I was very happy for them and glad that they won Entity.
Kiritych simply could not be stopped in the games on carry, his Templar Assisin with a rapier seemed invulnerable, and Chaos Knight like a locomotive ran over the entire team of the Entity. The Virtus.Pro team is strong and complex, and I think many will now think about betting on them. Their path now resembles Team Spirit when they won the International.

[Wapfika]

Such a bad performance by Shopify Rebellion, i was expecting way more from them. I expect Talons and VP to win their respective matches and both to move on. That match should be REALLY fun! After the VP vs Team Spirit game i would give the edge to VP tho, they certainly have the potential.

Awful performance indeed and a disband might be the correct way for the org but also for some players because in my opinion , RTZ lost his touch and he no longer plays or adapt to modern dota. Second reason would be that Bulba drafts have been bad lately but the chemistry between players is no longer there.

Talon series is very rough as BB just won their series and will play in aprox 4hours from now.

I think you are correct about Rebellion. It feels like they might do better if they dispand and try to find other teams where they have more chemistry.
Also i did not see Talon loosing to BB! Now we get BB vs VP I dont really even know who to bet on that one because its russian dota vs russian dota, you never know what happens there.

Their draft is a big trash while RTZ keep playing like an old turd that’s why they keep losing. The rest of the team is doing good while their carry is the one they are carrying on late game. RTZ is always the bottom of the cores on most of their game and it’s a clear sign that he is not meant for carry role already.

About Talon being beaten by BB, They already have a chance to secure the 2-0 on game 2 but they rush the high ground and multiple error from Mikoto and buy back without any goal which is why BB manage to recover. Talon can win the game if they become patient on high ground since 23 items is already unkillable that time if only his team mates will position better.

[xLays]

Such a bad performance by Shopify Rebellion, i was expecting way more from them. I expect Talons and VP to win their respective matches and both to move on. That match should be REALLY fun! After the VP vs Team Spirit game i would give the edge to VP tho, they certainly have the potential.

I don't expect Shopify Rebellion to win the series against TSM but I want them to win at least one map because I bet on them winning at least one map for Shopify Rebellion. Even if either TSM or Shopify Rebellion wins they won't be a match for the Noans. Gunnar has been playing very well in this tournament and has been carrying the entire team. They just couldn't manage to win against Azure Ray but they are definitely a top 4 team in this tournament.

[passwordnow]

About Talon being beaten by BB, They already have a chance to secure the 2-0 on game 2 but they rush the high ground and multiple error from Mikoto and buy back without any goal which is why BB manage to recover. Talon can win the game if they become patient on high ground since 23 items is already unkillable that time if only his team mates will position better.

I have no words with BB, they're better than Talon in terms of decision making. It's true that Talon just have to finish the game with that Dark willow carry of 23 savage but they're too salty when they get in to the mid tier 3 tower when they can take it slowly just like what they've done at the top of just pushing little by little and then destroy the tower. Those little decisions and mistakes turned the table that made BB did a come back.

That unkillable dark willow was already on point and already like immortal but it only has to take 1 mistake and 1 second of cool down and that's when they get in to the tier 3 mid tower. Very squishy and that muerta free hit all over all of them. Jabz was too salty and crazy together with 23savage, all of their efforts were wasted and they have to go home with that regret with the mistakes that they've done.

I don't expect Shopify Rebellion to win the series against TSM but I want them to win at least one map because I bet on them winning at least one map for Shopify Rebellion. Even if either TSM or Shopify Rebellion wins they won't be a match for the Noans. Gunnar has been playing very well in this tournament and has been carrying the entire team. They just couldn't manage to win against Azure Ray but they are definitely a top 4 team in this tournament.

One thing for Shopify Rebellion, sadly, they're just an overrated NA team.

[Wapfika]

About Talon being beaten by BB, They already have a chance to secure the 2-0 on game 2 but they rush the high ground and multiple error from Mikoto and buy back without any goal which is why BB manage to recover. Talon can win the game if they become patient on high ground since 23 items is already unkillable that time if only his team mates will position better.

I have no words with BB, they're better than Talon in terms of decision making. It's true that Talon just have to finish the game with that Dark willow carry of 23 savage but they're too salty when they get in to the mid tier 3 tower when they can take it slowly just like what they've done at the top of just pushing little by little and then destroy the tower. Those little decisions and mistakes turned the table that made BB did a come back.

That unkillable dark willow was already on point and already like immortal but it only has to take 1 mistake and 1 second of cool down and that's when they get in to the tier 3 mid tower. Very squishy and that muerta free hit all over all of them. Jabz was too salty and crazy together with 23savage, all of their efforts were wasted and they have to go home with that regret with the mistakes that they've done.

Talon game 2 mistake kinda lost their self confidence since they almost close the game while they have in complete advantage while they blow up the huge lead just because their support and cores got cocky on rushing the high ground.

Not only Jabs but Mikoto Rikimaru of Mikoto is one the main reason why BB recover since he always caught off guard due to his greediness while he can just patiently wait to caught Muerta off guard to give space for 23 to free hit which they failed to deliver until the end.

[vennali]

aaaand we are back!!! TI main stage is here. 2 teams will be eliminated today and the rest will make it to the final 6. Gonna be some good Dota action today. Who are you expecting to make it through?

[boltz]

I'm actually sad for Liquid as I had them as my favorites in this TI but Zai really made a bad draft and Blitz didn't help at all with that pick on Puck for Nisha so I think GG simply outdrafted them and then automatically outplayed them.

Also , did anyone saw the reaction of Matu after Liquid got eliminated ? He simply rage quit commentators table and left the building 

[passwordnow]

I'm actually sad for Liquid as I had them as my favorites in this TI but Zai really made a bad draft and Blitz didn't help at all with that pick on Puck for Nisha so I think GG simply outdrafted them and then automatically outplayed them.

Outplayed and outdrafted, that's simple as it is. Although their start was very enticing after beating GG but then it's not enough since it's a best of 3 series. GG could be the next old Team Liquid that will go through all odds on the losers bracket? It's simply telling that they're going to beat every enemies that they're going to be playing with.

Also , did anyone saw the reaction of Matu after Liquid got eliminated ? He simply rage quit commentators table and left the building 

Matu has still that heart for Team Liquid and he's with the boys on his last TI run before the retirement. It's just full disappointment on his end and that's understandable. This is what's good on this esports, it's not just all about the prize, the game, the play but also the heart that everyone is putting in to show their passion for it.

[vennali]

Final day is HERE!!!



Gamin Gladiators vs LGD is ongoing. Who are your TI champions?

[Twentyonepaylots]

Final day is HERE!!!

Gamin Gladiators vs LGD is ongoing. Who are your TI champions?

Kind of misled about your comment here, Gladiator vs LGD is just the finals for the lower bracket. Whoever wins in the lower bracket will meet the TS in the grand finals of the tournament.

Currently watching the game of GG vs LGD, game 1 was a very close game but LGD kind of outdrafted with only Luna dealing descent damage from the chinese team, however they've got a chance to comeback but GG killed Luna without a buyback. Now on game 2, feels like it's a one sided game against LGD, their heroes are more of late game, unlike the GG that can be gods in early and late. I'm rooting for GG vs TS in the grand finals.

Who's your pick, TS or GG? 

[edmundduke]

Indeed the finals are up on us! I am still kind of surprised that GG is the one that made it through and are facing Team Spirit in the finals. Will be interesting to see CIS vs EU Dota
i think i dont even have a favourite in this one, will just watch for the love of the game.

[Fatunad]

Final day is HERE!!!

Gamin Gladiators vs LGD is ongoing. Who are your TI champions?

Kind of misled about your comment here, Gladiator vs LGD is just the finals for the lower bracket. Whoever wins in the lower bracket will meet the TS in the grand finals of the tournament.

Currently watching the game of GG vs LGD, game 1 was a very close game but LGD kind of outdrafted with only Luna dealing descent damage from the chinese team, however they've got a chance to comeback but GG killed Luna without a buyback. Now on game 2, feels like it's a one sided game against LGD, their heroes are more of late game, unlike the GG that can be gods in early and late. I'm rooting for GG vs TS in the grand finals.

Who's your pick, TS or GG? 

LGD has been dropped and beaten up by GG so easily which i could say that Chinese teams cant really show off their dota plays with GG which it turns out that they've really just that been played out so easily.
We can see on how GG did beat up AR and then LGD next which it do really shows that it isnt really that a challenge specially with their drafts which we could say that it is really that out of meta.
Now on that Game 2 of LGD vs GG then Quinn QOP is really that giving that big contribution on disrupting LGD positioning because of that good sonic waves and also that last clash
on which they have those mistakes made by the chinese team on which there's a nice RP with Magnus but ended up by Naga to have that song which it totally disconnects that overall combo which
it is really that a crucial mistake and this what makes this game closed down easily.

Now we are seeing GG vs TS on the finals then i would really be rooting for GG, but lets see on how TS would really be able to adapt out on how GG would be playing.
Totally excited for this finals which we know that TS and GG team are indeed the strongest among the bunch. Both teams are really worth to be called champions.

[passwordnow]

Team Spirit is just too strong. A 3-0 streak for lifting that aegis. I thought that the 3rd game will be GG's but it's not. Drachyo was the problem and maybe he's already exhausted with all of these games. They've been with the most matches on this playoffs coming from the lower bracket and maybe he's just caught up with that. But I don't think that's really a problem because the thing here is, Team Spirit is just too strong. They're on their prime and all of their games were consistent, hands up to them. The team is well coordinated and that's why the matter of playing with synchronization and communication can change the result of the game. Having said with the last game, it seems that they're about to lose because GG has got the momentum but there is something wrong with them because they can't even take advantage of their lead. While Team Spirit is taking their recovery, yatoro's ck and collapse's spirit breaker has always been consistent with their farms despite the situation isn't favorable to them. We've got now another 2-time TI champion, Team Spirit although they've got a replacement of their roster but only one coming from TorontoTokyo to Larl. Larl also did well, he's even the one to lift the aegis because the other 4 has already lifted theirs in the past. Well done, this TI is now done and we've got a new hero Ringmaster. I am waiting for more tournaments again although it's not going to be TI this time, but there are more to come before this year ends. And the most awaited one, the gossips for most teams and switching of roster and players/teams.