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October 23, 2023, 09:57:35 PM
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Perhaps all you need is a short coffee break, or maybe you should step away for a day or even a week. Your portfolio will still be there when you return. Remember, you're not a day trader. You don't have to react to every minor market swing. Not a single day in the market should make you feel like you're racing against time.

One of the advantages of the Dual Investment Strategy, which I've discussed before, is that it doesn't demand constant attention. You can set up your portfolio, step back, and live your life, checking on your investments when it's convenient for you. Let your life schedule when you review your portfolio, rather than letting the market dictate your life. There's nothing in this strategy that necessitates an immediate reaction to market movements. Just because the market is moving rapidly doesn't mean you have to follow the crowd blindly. The same holds true for the Dollar Cost Averaging (DCA) method.


There is a big difference between a day trader and a normal investor. Day trading usually means that you close out all your positions at the end of the day, you don't want to take risk in your positions overnight. Basically, you are only trading when you are at your computer, and when you step away from it there shouldn't be much movement in your portfolio. This also means that you know exactly every day how much money you made or lost. This can be a lot of pressure and time consuming which made me stop day trading right after university. Handling the constant flow of information and changing prices can be hard to deal with and I ended up becoming high blood pressure during the whole day of trading. A normal investor is much long term orientated and is fine to keep his positions medium to long term. Everybody should decide for himself what kind of investing and trading he wants to do. It comes down to how much money and time we have at our hand to build and look after our portfolio. For anybody who has already a stressful fulltime job I would recommend a long term investment approach and for that the DCA method is great. There is no need to spend a lot of time on research and we can build a large portfolio over time.

Agree into that kind of picturing or elaborating on what daytrading is on which it is really that something that very stressful if you cant really be able to bare up with the risks on handling out price movements on active manner on which its true that you wont really be letting any positions to be left hanging or not being closed in the end of the day on which means that full engagement and effort would really be needing on this time on which it would really be just that so common  that you would really be that tough when it comes to emotional and psychological approach when it comes to things. Knowing on when to stop?
You would eventually be able to notice it out on your own because when stress do kicks in and on the time that you are committing lots of mistakes then you would really be normally be finding out
some moment or time to have some break.

You should really know on when to stop and have a break when everything do really looks mess up, and continue on the time that everything do really looks calm and good to go.
It is really a matter of self control and making out some decisions which would really be that something relevant and useful for your part and not really just forcing out things
to work even if it isnt really that something that would really be easy to be done and goes along on what you do have in mind.

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October 24, 2023, 12:40:19 PM
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If day trading is too tiring, then you can engage in medium-term or long-term trading, it will not require so much time from you and constant presence in front of the monitor, but in this case you will not know every day how much you have earned or lost, everything will shift by longer periods.

Medium-term trading seems more acceptable, and in this category I include transactions from several days to several weeks, anything beyond this will already be long-term transactions.

You can engage in day trading, but it seems to me that it is difficult to do it on a permanent basis, that is, after some time you need rest, otherwise nothing good will come of it.
Long-term traders are the main whales in the market, there triggered positions accumulates enormous profits from the market when their TP is hit unlike day traders that's in the market to scalp and probably record loses that would liquidate their account. I'm practically a day trader because I belong to these category that's in the market to triggered positions that enter my entry. Traders who focused more on daily trading tends to seem worried over their inability to accumulate the gigantic profits from their open trades. Often gain quite some profits which they're not satisfied with the results.

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October 24, 2023, 07:18:06 PM
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Knowing when to stop is also like knowing yourself more. Greedy people often do not achieve success but failure and that is a lesson learned that we must know how to deal with our emotions and much more about controlling our greed. Well, for newbies it seems not easy to know about it but for experienced traders or investors, we probably know when to stop.

 - stop if we already exceed our limits
 - stop if we feel uncomfortable and out of the plan
 - stop if we never understand that market situation
I think that being greedy is a trait that is already available outside or before we enter trading. So it's a myth when they say that all or most newbies are greedy but as newbie, there is still curiosity and excitement that can lead them to continue. They still can get used to it later on.

For the experienced one's maybe some of them are greedy for being over confident about their ability. They can also be greedy in a way that they want to go beyond what they already learned. It's still better to set our own limitations first according to our ability. This is the one that we should follow often. Some times being comfortable is a good thing. It helps us to grow more.

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October 24, 2023, 08:36:00 PM
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Knowing when to stop is also like knowing yourself more. Greedy people often do not achieve success but failure and that is a lesson learned that we must know how to deal with our emotions and much more about controlling our greed. Well, for newbies it seems not easy to know about it but for experienced traders or investors, we probably know when to stop.

 - stop if we already exceed our limits
 - stop if we feel uncomfortable and out of the plan
 - stop if we never understand that market situation
I think that being greedy is a trait that is already available outside or before we enter trading. So it's a myth when they say that all or most newbies are greedy but as newbie, there is still curiosity and excitement that can lead them to continue. They still can get used to it later on.

For the experienced one's maybe some of them are greedy for being over confident about their ability. They can also be greedy in a way that they want to go beyond what they already learned. It's still better to set our own limitations first according to our ability. This is the one that we should follow often. Some times being comfortable is a good thing. It helps us to grow more.
You wont really be reaching up that experienced state if you havent been able to become once a newbie since we do start on being a noob in the first place.It do really just turns out that there are ones who do learn up and realize things ahead and there are ones who do completely turn their backs and never ever come back again on which this is something that most likely the case t hat do really happen.
Being confident with your skills and knowledge is something a really very common trait for a noob but once that reality slap into their faces then this is where learning would kick in.
There's no such thing about all-knowing beings on this world on which knowing on everything that this world do have which it would be normal that there are things which needs to be learned.

Real experience would be the key in order to learn and its up to someone whether they would really be making out adjustments or simply quit up because they cant really be able to bare such thing.
Knowing on when to stop, then it would really be your call because not all would really be that be able to figure it out on when to make out such move or decision.
Sometimes it is a common sense thing but not all would really be that too mindful about this one.

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October 24, 2023, 08:53:44 PM
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It's definitely a good idea to stop time to time but also not every time you are irritated that doesn't mean you should stop, that's not how job works. If you want to be a professional trader one day and just make money from it, then you can't just love every minute of it, there will be times when things go wrong and you need to learn how to reset and get back to being better. I know that it's a hard thing to do but it's just how it is and could be the only way to move forward.

I hope that it could get to a point where we could make some profit from it, and I know that it's going to take a while but that is what you can do with it one way or another. I know that it is going to take a while to be able to reset like that and not be mad, because not everyone wants the same thing, but I believe it should be very important for everyone to do it one way or another, they could get better at it eventually and do a great return without a doubt if they just put the time in and work to make it happen.
Well, successful traders these days do not make it happen in an instant. Of course, they have endured a lot of possible losses but they never dare to stop and change career. Instead, they continue to work on their trades and improve what needs to be improved. Until they reach to a point that they were able to minimize their losses because they have already develop pro trading skills that are crucial in trading.

However, we all know that different traders also experience different fate in trading. If you keep on committing losses no matter how you try hard to improve your trades, maybe there's something wrong with how you trade. Sometimes, the best decision is not to keep moving forward but to take a break so you can find time to reflect on your trading career, if its still a good decision to continue doing or maybe a change of career is needed. The last decision is still within your control.

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October 24, 2023, 10:00:23 PM
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Knowing when to stop is also like knowing yourself more. Greedy people often do not achieve success but failure and that is a lesson learned that we must know how to deal with our emotions and much more about controlling our greed. Well, for newbies it seems not easy to know about it but for experienced traders or investors, we probably know when to stop.

 - stop if we already exceed our limits
 - stop if we feel uncomfortable and out of the plan
 - stop if we never understand that market situation
Just learn to stop when everything that is happening is not on your side. Even professional traders sometimes experience this kind of feeling, so they just take a pause and eventually come back in trading when they're not exhausted anymore. But no matter how often you take your breaks but still the same result is observed, I guess you need to change your strategies in trading. Develop a new one and then work on it. And if it's still not working, assess yourself if you can still bear your future losses because if not, change your plan and change your career. Sometimes we need to separate our habit and interest to our own career, if it's the only way that we can stop ourselves from experiencing the same failures and losses that already happen repetitively.

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October 24, 2023, 11:21:30 PM
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Knowing when to stop is also like knowing yourself more. Greedy people often do not achieve success but failure and that is a lesson learned that we must know how to deal with our emotions and much more about controlling our greed. Well, for newbies it seems not easy to know about it but for experienced traders or investors, we probably know when to stop.

 - stop if we already exceed our limits
 - stop if we feel uncomfortable and out of the plan
 - stop if we never understand that market situation
Just learn to stop when everything that is happening is not on your side. Even professional traders sometimes experience this kind of feeling, so they just take a pause and eventually come back in trading when they're not exhausted anymore. But no matter how often you take your breaks but still the same result is observed, I guess you need to change your strategies in trading. Develop a new one and then work on it. And if it's still not working, assess yourself if you can still bear your future losses because if not, change your plan and change your career. Sometimes we need to separate our habit and interest to our own career, if it's the only way that we can stop ourselves from experiencing the same failures and losses that already happen repetitively.

Very good point made. I just hope many more will see this. I have done this exercise severally and it has been helpful. I'm glad this post I made has also brought out so many people to share their perspectives hence others would learn from this

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October 25, 2023, 01:28:01 PM
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Knowing when to stop is also like knowing yourself more. Greedy people often do not achieve success but failure and that is a lesson learned that we must know how to deal with our emotions and much more about controlling our greed. Well, for newbies it seems not easy to know about it but for experienced traders or investors, we probably know when to stop.

 - stop if we already exceed our limits
 - stop if we feel uncomfortable and out of the plan
 - stop if we never understand that market situation
Just learn to stop when everything that is happening is not on your side. Even professional traders sometimes experience this kind of feeling, so they just take a pause and eventually come back in trading when they're not exhausted anymore. But no matter how often you take your breaks but still the same result is observed, I guess you need to change your strategies in trading. Develop a new one and then work on it. And if it's still not working, assess yourself if you can still bear your future losses because if not, change your plan and change your career. Sometimes we need to separate our habit and interest to our own career, if it's the only way that we can stop ourselves from experiencing the same failures and losses that already happen repetitively.

Indeed, you should stop or pause for a while if you already seeing that there's nothing positive that happens with your current strategy, maybe you need to re-assess and try to change the patterns that you are using, it's not just because you are out of luck but maybe the guide or factors that you are following is no longer affecting the market that much, or maybe you should try twisting your strategy or also a possible that you need to have that break.

Finding some extra space inside your mind and allow learning to flow inside you to re-analyze the situation may help in order to take another step and see if how it will go to work.

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October 25, 2023, 08:15:43 PM
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Knowing when to stop is also like knowing yourself more. Greedy people often do not achieve success but failure and that is a lesson learned that we must know how to deal with our emotions and much more about controlling our greed. Well, for newbies it seems not easy to know about it but for experienced traders or investors, we probably know when to stop.

 - stop if we already exceed our limits
 - stop if we feel uncomfortable and out of the plan
 - stop if we never understand that market situation
Just learn to stop when everything that is happening is not on your side. Even professional traders sometimes experience this kind of feeling, so they just take a pause and eventually come back in trading when they're not exhausted anymore. But no matter how often you take your breaks but still the same result is observed, I guess you need to change your strategies in trading. Develop a new one and then work on it. And if it's still not working, assess yourself if you can still bear your future losses because if not, change your plan and change your career. Sometimes we need to separate our habit and interest to our own career, if it's the only way that we can stop ourselves from experiencing the same failures and losses that already happen repetitively.

Indeed, you should stop or pause for a while if you already seeing that there's nothing positive that happens with your current strategy, maybe you need to re-assess and try to change the patterns that you are using, it's not just because you are out of luck but maybe the guide or factors that you are following is no longer affecting the market that much, or maybe you should try twisting your strategy or also a possible that you need to have that break.

Finding some extra space inside your mind and allow learning to flow inside you to re-analyze the situation may help in order to take another step and see if how it will go to work.

You would really be needing to do such thing or else you would really be completely busting up your entire capital or your trading fund without even putting some good fight or making some good  trades just because you had made yourself that being that lose in control. It is really that true that there are really moments in trading on which you are really that been experiencing those consecutive losses because we know that there's no one on this market could really be having that perfect strategy on which means that on the time that you are that in verge of such situation then it would be wise on having some break.

You would really be able to see its relevance and importance once you do be able to get that kind of experience and awareness in the market. Knowing on when to stop and would be finding the timing on when to get
in where everything is really that calm and could really be something that could be handled.There are really that moments in the market on which prices are really that too unpredictable on which it is really that
moving into a certain extent that even trading technicals had been messed up or simply there are moments which it is really hard to read it up.
No matter on what are the things you are applying whether TA+FA but it doesnt really give out assurance about its effectiveness. So it would always boils down
into your own taking in making those decisions on point.

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October 25, 2023, 08:59:56 PM
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Knowing when to stop is also like knowing yourself more. Greedy people often do not achieve success but failure and that is a lesson learned that we must know how to deal with our emotions and much more about controlling our greed. Well, for newbies it seems not easy to know about it but for experienced traders or investors, we probably know when to stop.

 - stop if we already exceed our limits
 - stop if we feel uncomfortable and out of the plan
 - stop if we never understand that market situation
I think that being greedy is a trait that is already available outside or before we enter trading. So it's a myth when they say that all or most newbies are greedy but as newbie, there is still curiosity and excitement that can lead them to continue. They still can get used to it later on.

For the experienced one's maybe some of them are greedy for being over confident about their ability. They can also be greedy in a way that they want to go beyond what they already learned. It's still better to set our own limitations first according to our ability. This is the one that we should follow often. Some times being comfortable is a good thing. It helps us to grow more.
The characteristics of greed is present in every individual because everyone wants more and more and they are never thankful for what they have but I think that if individuals accept the things that they have then they will continuously achieve desire goals as greed is the main cause due to which every trader and investors face defeat.
Once a person get success then he think that his success is because of his firm knowledge and then put more money than previous but he Don't have any idea that how risky it will be for him if market turn down therefore keeping everything in view before utilising your money. Money comes hardly therefore don't waste money by demanding for more and accept your little benefit. You will think positive and will put large sum at once but don't forget that market is not positive always therfore invest and trade according to the market condition.

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October 26, 2023, 09:57:08 PM
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We must take into account that not all who try trading become successful, some have also had a terrible experience and still, they continue trading.
For me, I don't think we need to sacrifice our finances knowing that we failed in trading, I think we should also know the words stop and quit if the the situation is not really in our favor. In fact, it was not a big deal if we failed and thought that some people would laugh at us but it was a big issue when we lost a lot of money and committed debt.
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So, what you're getting at is, don't let your emotions run the show. We've got a strategy or game plan to stick to, and we can't allow our feelings to take the wheel. That's why we have these popular terms like FOMO and FUD - they're all about investors and traders making decisions based on their emotions.
He was just elaborate the meaning but indeed the main  thing is never allow yourself to controlled by emotion because this will not let you decide correctly , we will even have bad looks at how the market moves in particular ways.

and also try to always use Bot as Stop/Loss is what we can have for safeties if we cannot monitor our trading and investments.

We must take into account that not all who try trading become successful, some have also had a terrible experience and still, they continue trading.
For me, I don't think we need to sacrifice our finances knowing that we failed in trading, I think we should also know the words stop and quit if the the situation is not really in our favor. In fact, it was not a big deal if we failed and thought that some people would laugh at us but it was a big issue when we lost a lot of money and committed debt.
I can attest to that mate  as I am also a trade loser from the past , even lose multiple times when I am starter but never that i lose my faith , and since I was not lucky in day trading , I focused in Holding and indeed , success is what i gain for years now.

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October 27, 2023, 06:32:39 AM
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I can attest to that mate  as I am also a trade loser from the past , even lose multiple times when I am starter but never that i lose my faith , and since I was not lucky in day trading , I focused in Holding and indeed , success is what i gain for years now.

Agree with you but I think stop loss should be used when you are willing to test whether and to that most of the time you are winning. If you use stop loss when you don't have much idea about the stop loss and you are brand new you should not use stop loss because you don't have much knowledge about its future. That's why you should first master the trading well and then use stop loss besides you can face loss most of the time.
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I can attest to that mate  as I am also a trade loser from the past , even lose multiple times when I am starter but never that i lose my faith , and since I was not lucky in day trading , I focused in Holding and indeed , success is what i gain for years now.

Agree with you but I think stop loss should be used when you are willing to test whether and to that most of the time you are winning. If you use stop loss when you don't have much idea about the stop loss and you are brand new you should not use stop loss because you don't have much knowledge about its future. That's why you should first master the trading well and then use stop loss besides you can face loss most of the time.

You don't have to master trader first in order to use stop loss, it's easy to understand. Besides, how can you master trading if you're not going to try everything on it, I hope that make sense.

Also, it is already given that you're going to lose most of the time in most cases of newbie traders because they are still exploring, finding the right approach that suits their styles to make profits in spot or futures trading. Experience is the best teacher, a very good foundation in the long run, you could also decide whether to stop or continue based on your experience in trading.

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We must take into account that not all who try trading become successful, some have also had a terrible experience and still, they continue trading.
For me, I don't think we need to sacrifice our finances knowing that we failed in trading, I think we should also know the words stop and quit if the the situation is not really in our favor. In fact, it was not a big deal if we failed and thought that some people would laugh at us but it was a big issue when we lost a lot of money and committed debt.

That after effects of trading should be taken into account, if you see yourself keeps failing better to re-assess and if it's needed to stop, better to stop and move away then try different things in life, trading is not for all as there are many competitions inside the market, all the people that surround this business are all after the money.

If you don't see yourself as competitive as it should be, best to quit and find other venue either business or other form of investment.

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There are other traders who sometimes think that investment and trading are the same because they have only one theme and that requires the same investing method. But in reality, they are not the same, and the other long-timers in the crypto space know this too, right?

As an investor, you invest because you know that there will be profit in something that you see potential for in the future and because you also know that people will actually use it now and in the future. And one of the good examples here is Bitcoin. Which is different from being a trader in trading, especially if you are short-term, because it is like a profession that will require skills and understanding to make a profit.

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Just like any trading market, you do need to equip yourself with enough knowledge on every project you want to explore with.
That is true, you may be new to crypto market but you've been doing the forex trading or other financial markets.
It means, you already have the basic knowledge what to look out or consider and you won't jump on a simple hype or anything.
This has a bad effect on every trader they enter to project without knowing about it. Some people invest money in a coin that they do not know enough about. I saw a lot of people who are just going on a lucky basis and as a result, they face loss. When they use the wrong strategy because of a lack of knowledge they experience loss and by getting a time loss they give trading negative feedback. it's a criterion for entering any project you must explore that project. go to their official site a read the necessary things about it and after that make your own decision about whether it is beneficial for you are not. Use the right and appropriate strategy and for newbies, DCA is the best one I always suggest this to the newbies as they don't know about the other strategies, and are risky and this one is the best and less risky.

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October 29, 2023, 06:00:09 PM
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We must take into account that not all who try trading become successful, some have also had a terrible experience and still, they continue trading.
For me, I don't think we need to sacrifice our finances knowing that we failed in trading, I think we should also know the words stop and quit if the the situation is not really in our favor. In fact, it was not a big deal if we failed and thought that some people would laugh at us but it was a big issue when we lost a lot of money and committed debt.
There is a big difference between stopping and quitting, and I believe one should stop trading temporarily if they see that they are constantly failing the trades and losing a lot of money instead of getting profits. Quitting is not a solution, you can't give up just because you are facing failure but you need to work on the things that are making you fail and if you don't see them, take your time, evaluate your actions and find out the reasons behind the failure.

Once the reasons are found, you should work on them without going into real trading but using demo accounts just to repeat the practices and things that you've learned or improved. After some time, when you see that you have improved a lot and have way more knowledge than before, you should try again, and if you fail again, repeat the same process again, and eventually, there will be a time when you will become a successful trader.

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November 01, 2023, 03:35:38 AM
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Like I have said on many threads that emotion is the key control, trade gambling is almost the same thing  Grin Know how to take profit and know how to stop. Meanwhile you this thread is also helpful in my opinion https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5471179.0

 

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November 01, 2023, 10:17:50 AM
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We must take into account that not all who try trading become successful, some have also had a terrible experience and still, they continue trading.
For me, I don't think we need to sacrifice our finances knowing that we failed in trading, I think we should also know the words stop and quit if the the situation is not really in our favor. In fact, it was not a big deal if we failed and thought that some people would laugh at us but it was a big issue when we lost a lot of money and committed debt.

I agree, but of course the mistakes are the most effective lesson, especially in trading. I personally commit many mistakes when I'm starting to trade and lose quite a bit, but that doesn't stop me from trading. Instead, I analyse where I do wrong, and when I identify it, I lack knowledge, skill, and experience. That's why I still trade while learning, but with limited capital. Eventually, I can say I can earn more than my losses. You see, mistakes are fine; it is part of the process of becoming an expert in trading. I get that you will have debt and such, but it's up to the person how they will cope and recover. The trader will be a failure if he or she keeps on losing and not doing anything that will make them cope and recover. The key to success is how you turn your mistakes into lessons and weapons.

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