It is bad to use AI to help my post quality improve?

[irfan_pak10]

If I wanted to read AI diarrhea, I wouldn't need Bitcointalk. I want to read from humans, that's what forums were created for.
What's next? Only AIs posting and only AIs reading? What's the point?

Lately, I'm getting vibes that someone is going to create a script that can write AI-generated answers under any post from the content available on this forum or from the internet. Honestly, It will be better for posts that were answered hundreds of times before 

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

I've noticed some posts relating to AI-generated content, so I'd like to ask: Is it against the forum's rules to use AI-generated content? For example, I want to compose a sentence or comment on a topic where I'd like to share my knowledge. However, since English is not my native language, sometimes what I'm thinking might not translate well in writing. I find AI to be a helpful tool for improving my writing, and I believe it could also make the moderators' job easier.

From everything you have explained, I would want to tell you that English is not the native language of many of us on this forum, and yet, the majority of some dedicated and reputable members of the forum are not using AI to make their posts better, but I believe they might have learned from other ways to be better. English might not be your native tongue, but you can try your best to always explain your points or opinions in a way that someone reading them can still understand the message you are trying to convey. From what I understand so far on the forum, if you are using AI to make your post, you might not really be taken that seriously as someone who is able to think and be productive in their opinions. Just be real on the forum and don't try to impress, but only be at your best.

[icalical]

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To what extent is it acceptable to use AI to enhance regular forum posts?

Depends on what you mean by 'improve your post quality', if you use AI to generate whole/additional content for your post, than I don't think that's acceptable, AI generate the content by crawling in the internet and that might lead to Plagiarism. But if what you mean by improve your post quality is helping you with grammar and choice of word, and the whole content is based on your own thought, then it's acceptable, or at least you wouldn't do any plagiarism. However, even with not so perfect grammar and choice of word, as long as your post is understandable the reader won't mind.

[libert19]

Have created similar topic a while back, you can see it here.

Anyway, I have tried to use AI and sometimes sentences come out so perfect I find it off-putting. Better write without using such tools.

[nutildah]

Go for it if your want, if people get annoyed it's their problem and not yours and they should change focus in life.

Sure, go for it and see what happens  

Lately, I'm getting vibes that someone is going to create a script that can write AI-generated answers under any post from the content available on this forum or from the internet. Honestly, It will be better for posts that were answered hundreds of times before  

Yes well, its true that automated questions deserve automated responses. But the answer should be posted like this:

This response has been auto-generated.

Hello!

You are opening a new thread to ask a question that has been answered 46 times on this forum before. Here is what ChatGPT reveals on the subject:

The last Bitcoin is projected to be mined around the year 2140. Bitcoin has a capped supply of 21 million coins, and it uses a process called "halving" approximately every four years. During a halving event, the reward that miners receive for confirming transactions and adding them to the blockchain is cut in half. This process continues until the maximum supply of 21 million coins is reached.

The Bitcoin network started in 2009 with a reward of 50 bitcoins per block. Halving events have occurred approximately every four years, reducing the block reward by half. The most recent halving took place in May 2020, reducing the reward to 6.25 bitcoins per block. The next halving is expected to occur in 2024, which will reduce the reward to 3.125 bitcoins per block. This process will continue until around 2140, when the final Bitcoin is projected to be mined, and no new bitcoins will be created as block rewards.

It's worth noting that the exact date of the last Bitcoin being mined can't be predicted with absolute precision because it depends on factors like the rate of block creation, which can vary. However, the year 2140 is the widely accepted estimate based on the current rules of the Bitcoin network.

Whether the entire post is automated or not, any text from ChatGPT should be placed in quotes. This should be standard, rather than trying to pass its text off as your own, which is dishonest because you are leading the reader to believe it was written using your own brain.

[KingsDen]

Op, saying that English is not your native language is not an excuse enough to start using AI to generate posts in the forum. To answer your question, it is wrong and against the forum rules (although not from theymos).
You can improve written English with some grammar enhancing apps like grammarly. I do not see AI as a post enhancing tool rather as an artificial brain. AI will make you to stop using your senses. And still will not improve your grammar because it is the AI that is generating texts and not you.
Imagine where AI will make decisions against your wish and you wouldn't care because the tenses and punctuations are well placed.

Anyway, I have tried to use AI and sometimes sentences come out so perfect I find it off-putting. Better write without using such tools.

Exactly my take. The tenses might be perfect but the conversation will not flow in that thread since the idea is coming from a third party who is not directly involved in the conversation.

[PX-Z]

On the top of my head: go use AI when trying to learn how to write properly/legibly, but don't use AI to create your replies. Because are you actually learning if the AI writes for you even if you provide the ideas?

Obviously, that's not what I intend to do. I don't use AI to compose my responses. Instead, I create a draft of my post and have AI review it for grammar corrections and punctuation. Is it too much to ask for this tool?

Use grammarly for such kind of use and learn from it. You don't need to use AI just for grammar, punctuation use because sometimes AI doesn't sounds like grammatically correct, well, based on my use of chatgpt especially when creating article contents sample.

[Etranger]

To what extent is it acceptable to use AI to enhance regular forum posts?

Definitely not to this extent. I think it is not acceptable. And I believe many users, who make regular reports to this thread would agree with me.

But I'd like to repeat it again, I'm not using AI to post for me.

Really? I only checked the last page of your posts.

Re: BTC or Gold Investment?

I believe you should take a look at bitcoin. As you can see, many bitcoiners have demonstrated that they have made significant profits from the currency. It all depends on whether you are willing to take the risk. Many investors choose Bitcoin because of its rapid growth, but if you'd rather something more secure and low-risk, consider investing in gold. Here's the idea: To decide which of the two investments you should make, start with a small sum of money. For instance, you could invest the same amount in gold and bitcoin, then watch to see which one is more profitable and able to quickly recoup your initial investment.

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China is known to be a technologically advanced country, therefore it goes without saying that they will benefit from cryptocurrency as it becomes more and more popular. China has already benefited greatly from the bitcoin industry, and since they want to keep things separate, I believe this is the reason they have stopped investing in it. That is why China has banned cryptocurrency use, whereas Japan has made it legal.

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I believe that governments are creating other digital currencies because they want to control everyone and because doing so will give them access to monitor and manage whatever it is that they want to do with that money, unlike with bitcoin, which gives them no such access. Since bitcoin is decentralized and its widespread usage will reduce government control, that's why they refuse to embrace it.

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[PytagoraZ]

To what extent is it acceptable to use AI to enhance regular forum posts?

I was helped by Google Translate to write in English. I think currently Google Translate has good translation capabilities and I'm sure other members can understand the meaning of my writing

Talking about the quality of your posts is not what tool you use, but rather your own abilities as the account owner. The best way to improve the quality of posts is to increase your knowledge, so read a lot... There are lots of cheap books out there, and now there are also lots of free PDFs that you can download.

[Lida93]

I've noticed some posts relating to AI-generated content, so I'd like to ask: Is it against the forum's rules to use AI-generated content? For example, I want to compose a sentence or comment on a topic where I'd like to share my knowledge. However, since English is not my native language, sometimes what I'm thinking might not translate well in writing. I find AI to be a helpful tool for improving my writing, and I believe it could also make the moderators' job easier.

To what extent is it acceptable to use AI to enhance regular forum posts?

I enjoy creating my posts myself not mind it might not meet the standard of many people and it didn't bother me in as much as they receive the message understandably.  Based on where everyone is coming from our English standards cannot be same while you continuing doing it yourself you'll definitely blend and  improve your tense with time.

But depending on AI to create and arrange posts for you because you aren't a  native of English language is just absolutely bullshit because is someone else's work not and not yours that's why it's mainly regarded as plagiarism. Learning using AI isn't bad cause I also use it to learn about subjects I don't know about' however, using it to generate post and claiming author is not same as learning using AI.

[skarais]

Don't post using AI with the aim of improving the quality of the post, that's bad because whatever you post doesn't come from your thoughts and knowledge. If you want to improve your knowledge, then study and read more even if your English is not good.

I'm also not a native English speaker, but I try my best to write something that other people can understand well. You can also reach the level of like a native English speaker if you really improve your language skills, so don't take shortcuts. Learn a lot and maintain your confidence.

[philipma1957]

So I went plagium.com

and tested my last few posts.

What a weird market..

Of note: all those main street economists posting random numbers possibly don't have a clue.
Why?
in the summer of 2017 when bitcoin briefly dipped below $1000, NOBODY have said that it would be $20k few months later.
In October 2022, NOBODY said that NVDA will be 350% higher in a few months.

TL;DR Nobody knows anything about the future.

the last reply :

Yeah but I am prepped and ready for up ⬆️ down or sideways.


Reads no plagiarism

but yes to AI Detector.

But the reality is I wrote it and it is exactly how I am hedged with buys sells holds and mining. at this time.




Now I generated over 42000 posts maybe more like 50,000 posts.

some were merged  and some  were deleted. 


I would also guess I have written shit all over the internet about similar topics.

andandtech
macrumors
parts-express forum
evga forum
Mac mini forum

all have more than 1000 posts from me.

bitcointalk has more than 42,000 posts it is a ton of info.

[arabspaceship123]

To what extent is it acceptable to use AI to enhance regular forum posts?

If English isn't your major language you should've posted in locals. I don't know why you'd consider using AI to enhance post quality. If the post gets tagged with AI detected allegations you'll be considered for ban. You don't need AI for post improvements.

AI generated post is not really your opinion and there are high chances you will not even learn anything from the conversation neither will you understand in details, what you posted.

If learning's the reason he wants to use AI for posts it won't work to benefit him.

[BabyBandit]

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If there's a way to verify my posts using a tool, anyone is free to do so. However, if the judgment to conclude that I use AI is based on finding some phrases that I use similarly to AI, I think that's not fair.

To be frank with you, I don't also know how those who check for such stuff do that. I hope it's not by coincidence of word or phrase usage as that's more likely to get many wrongly accused.

I don't really understand why people get so offended and care so much about using AI or not.... Go for it if your want, if people get annoyed it's their problem and not yours and they should change focus in life.

That post of yours isn't the right way to look at this issue. Users shouldn't be allowed to run amok. There are rules and rules are meant to be followed. The forum has come a long way and it's a community effort. Don't make it look like anyone is trying to claim more importance than the other because they're insisting the right things be done. Using AI is borrowing someone's idea and making it look like it's yours just like blatant hardcore plagiarism is. This forum wants originality, or at best one should lay credence to where one gets one's information if it's not originally from one.

"one should lay credence to where one gets one's information if it's not originally from one." Here I agree with you 100% but...

If it's a rule that using AI isn't allowed then AI should not be used period, I didn't know it was a rule so then I apologize also I don't support people using AI or running amok but i respect that everyone is different.
But if it wasn't a "rule" just opinions from people then it should not matter even that it would not look good for the user that using AI, in the end it's up to us what we want to spend our time on, right?  
And I don't agree with you here my friend. "AI is borrowing someone's idea and making it look like it's yours" - I think it's a way to help yourself express yourself if you maybe are bad in English or bad to be able to speak and express yourself the right way (I have no idea I never used this AI). The idea is already in your head, but AI is helping you making the idea to text, so I don't think it's that big of a deal, at least if you don't using it for running "amok", cheat with singature campaign and stuff like this, but this forum got good people here so if an account would act that way it would be noticed and tagged very fast. But if it's not allowed then it should not be used period.
And what regards what the forum wants, you mean the members of the forum? The member of this forum is individuals and everyone want different, even if I understand your point and I agree with the most you said I still think we need to accept that people just are different and some people have some obstacle's, even me I am not 100% a English speaker or not so good to express myself in the right way, but I am trying my best and using Google Translate when I need to find a word for my posts

Have a great week buddie. Best wishes from BabyBandit.  

[arabspaceship123]

We're using the forum so we've got some rules we're expected to use or else we're responsible for being ejected. If using AI's going to result in users getting a ban we shouldn't use AI that's it. I didn't read official announcement so I can't say it's a rule.

If it's a rule that using AI isn't allowed then AI should not be used period, I didn't know it was a rule so then I apologize also I don't support people using AI or running amok but i respect that everyone is different.

[philipma1957]

I do not mind a non native speaking person using english.

I also would not mind he or she doing the post in their own words and in AI words.

Like so
1) your own attempt
2) AI correcting your attempt.

Any other way of using AI is pretty much a pointless method of deception.

Both showing both ways is fine by me.

[Hispo]

Remember the old good days when people who wanted to learn a language was supposed to study and practice it, to go along trial and error?
That was my case, though.

At first glance, I would say that using AI to "improve" your English is not actually doing any good to your skills, because you won't learn as much as you would if you made mistakes and then corrected them. On the other hand, I am not anyone studied in language acquisition to tell people how they are supposed to learn a language. I am not sure on the status (when comes to the rules) of using AI that way. At minimum, I (and others) would appreciate if you included a short footnote in the post you made using AI, so people around here won't feel deceived or won't incorrectly think you are a spammer.

Just my two sats, by the way. I hope your English only improves with time.  

[philipma1957]

Remember the old good days when people who wanted to learn a language was supposed to study and practice it, to go along trial and error?
That was my case, though.

At first glance, I would say that using AI to "improve" your English is not actually doing any good to your skills, because you won't learn as much as you would if you made mistakes and then corrected them. On the other hand, I am not anyone studied in language acquisition to tell people how they are supposed to learn a language. I am not sure on the status (when comes to the rules) of using AI that way. At minimum, I (and others) would appreciate if you included a short footnote in the post you made using AI, so people around here won't feel deceived or won't incorrectly think you are a spammer.

Just my two sats, by the way. I hope your English only improves with time.  

My Spanish and my German are brutal. My English is okay. I tend to type too fast and not correct my mistakes. With google translate and AI I sometime will write in the German section.

But I am very clear that I am doing that.

[jhonjhon]

To what extent is it acceptable to use AI to enhance regular forum posts?

Definitely not to this extent. I think it is not acceptable. And I believe many users, who make regular reports to this thread would agree with me.

But I'd like to repeat it again, I'm not using AI to post for me.

Really? I only checked the last page of your posts.

Re: BTC or Gold Investment?

I believe you should take a look at bitcoin. As you can see, many bitcoiners have demonstrated that they have made significant profits from the currency. It all depends on whether you are willing to take the risk. Many investors choose Bitcoin because of its rapid growth, but if you'd rather something more secure and low-risk, consider investing in gold. Here's the idea: To decide which of the two investments you should make, start with a small sum of money. For instance, you could invest the same amount in gold and bitcoin, then watch to see which one is more profitable and able to quickly recoup your initial investment.

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I'd like to highlight a particular point here to show that your AI checking mechanism is incorrect. There's no valid argument in this case, and it seems like you haven't investigated thoroughly before making your post.

The post you mentioned was created on "July 25, 2022, 02:20:35 PM," and based on my research, ChatGPT (the only AI I'm aware of) was launched on November 30, 2022. So, how could a verifier predict that my post is AI-generated when it was created before the AI was introduced?


The point is, AI detectors aren't that accurate so don't fully rely on it.

[Poker Player]

I'd like to highlight a particular point here to show that your AI checking mechanism is incorrect. There's no valid argument in this case, and it seems like you haven't investigated thoroughly before making your post.

The post you mentioned was created on "July 25, 2022, 02:20:35 PM," and based on my research, ChatGPT (the only AI I'm aware of) was launched on November 30, 2022. So, how could a verifier predict that my post is AI-generated when it was created before the AI was introduced?

Not only that post, but all the other posts he cites, 3 in total, were written before November 30, 2022 which makes it even more ridiculous.

The point is, AI detectors aren't that accurate so don't fully rely on it.

And I would add: lest you end up making a fool of yourself.

I said it from the beginning in the debates about it in the forum. To me this is being approached wrongly, as the only debate I see is how to ban from the forum what is just another part of our lives that is changing the world, just as it happened with the Internet. It is clear that generating posts massively with ChatGPT and passing them off as your own creation is not what I would consider a good use of the forum, but using it to collect background information or even using the information it writes, always quoting, I think would be reasonable uses.

In that sense I would recommend you to use it as long as it is not for copy paste and always bearing in mind that you are going to have a lot of inquisitors reviewing your posts as the enlightened one who has reviewed posts of yours that were written before the launch of ChatGPT.