How Was This User Able to Buy 550 Merits At ones?

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Hi guys,
Let me start by saying that i am not a newbie, so i am very away that some users engage themselves in merit trade, that is buying and selling merits, but recently, while going through the Scam and Accusation board, i came across this thread, which lead me to this one, where i then saw this User's comment claiming that he or she bought 550 merits from the op of the thread he or she commented on.

The comment was made on April 14th, 2023 which means this transaction happened this year, while going through this user's profile data on bpip.org, the record there showed that this user only has received 50 merits one time from this user, who also has 501 merits with just 193 posts and 126 activity.

Kda2018 has 550 merits with just 4 posts and 4 activities, and like i mentioned before, bpip data showed that he only received 50 merits ones from Ajpa94, how come about the other 500 merits, where did it came from.

I sure know that there must be something i am missing here, but i just can't figure this whole stuff out, the user said he bought 550 merits, but bpip data has no record of when he received the supposed 550 merit from the user who sold it, but rather, showed he only received 50 merits from another user, who also have the same type of data.

Can someone with better understanding of how this works please look into this and help make my dull head understand.

Thank you in anticipation.

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[Solosanz]

Very simple, since his earned merit is only 50 merits, it means the rest (500 merits) are airdropped before the merit system. So, he was lying if he bought all the 550 merits at once.

I doubt if he bought the 50 merits, it high likely an alt accounts.

He was a Hero member and then delete all of his posts, so he back become a newbie rank.

[Cantsay]

He only bought 50 merits and received the remaining 500 merits through airdrop.

If you check this link: https://web.archive.org/web/20171127223222/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=828879 you’ll see that he once had an activity that amount to that of a hero member rank.

I don’t know the exact creation date of ninjastic.space but it seems like he deleted his post before ninjastic.space was deployed for post scrapping here in the forum, so only 8 of his posts were scrapped to his profile. But if you just search for posts that contains “ Kda2018” you’ll see that more that 700 posts contains that user name ( I.e the number of times the user was mentioned or quoted”).

[acroman08]

as Solosanz mentioned, the 500 merits are airdropped, if you are curious where the user's posts went and why it is not recorded, they most likely deleted their posts before LoyceV started scraping the forum.

The comment was made on April 14th, 2023 which means this transaction happened this year, while going through this user's profile data on bpip.org, the record there showed that this user only has received 50 merits one time from this user, who also has 501 merits with just 193 posts and 126 activity.

the user is lying.

[Nwada001]

The only perfect explanation for this is that, as stated by Solosanz, the user only earned 50 merits once, according to . Bpip and the rest was from airdropped merit, and the user happens to be an old member of the forum who benefited from the airdropped merit.

And about the activities, it's obvious they were all deleted by the same user, but I can't fine the record of the activities from Ninjastick. So for this user to claim there was about 500 merit purchases from the seller, it only means that the same seller is in control of the other account, which claims there was a trade of merit; the account with 500+ merit was just used as testimony to convince people that it's real and they will fall victim to their fraud.

[SmartGold01]

They said profile got their post deleted and the account retuned to newbie otherwise there are no way someone would received 500 merits instantly while monthly is 50 from a single user, besides the saids newbie account was created within 2016 if I am not mistakenly btw you and I knows that his intentions was to seek more attention from users who are too lazy to post and build their account to a suitable rank. Besides whom do you think would accept to sell his account at a very cheap price whereby if they succeeded working into signature they could earn higher than that so anyone giving attention to that thread could likely get scammed by them.

[Tuturtinular]

As far as I know, the number of merit transfers from member A to member B is only 50 in a month. If the member only gets 50 merits then the rest is a merit airdrop. I once read a case on a reputation board where a member deleted most of his posts so his activity returned to almost 0. But I forgot what his account name was.

So in my opinion if he said he bought 550 merit from the OP in that thread then that's a lie. Maybe he is an alt account who deliberately posted there to convince other members

[robelneo]

The said user is a proven account seller, he might have done this to all the other accounts he is selling, the idea is for the buyer to build his account through posts and activity as the account will eventually reach a hero account because of merits and there's a possibility that the majority of the posts that the accounts he is selling are on local boards and to avoid detection of changing of hands through local boards he deleted a big chunks of his posts.
We all know some accounts that changed hands are caught because of local boards

Example : The seller's account is from Asia and active on local boards and the buyer is from part of Europe It is hard to explain if he cannot write the language where he used to be active.

This is just my thought..

[DdmrDdmr]

<…> I doubt if he bought the 50 merits, it high likely an alt accounts <…>

Very likely. If we look at the Kda2018’s received sMerit TXs, the sole TX (50 sMerits) was dated 27/05/2018 6:31:02, received from Ajpa94.
https://public.tableau.com/shared/MFY5423B5?:display_count=n&:origin=viz_share_link

Kda2018 in turn sent out a 25 sMerit TX to Ajpa94 a few minutes later, on the 27/05/2018 6:50:37
https://public.tableau.com/shared/99RWT7RFS?:display_count=n&:origin=viz_share_link

Both deleted a bunch of posts at some point, leading the accounts to be de-ranked:
-   Kda2018 went from Hero Member to Newbie.
-   Ajpa94 went from Sr. Member to Full Member.

By the way, Ajpa94 also sent 50 sMerits to Katodozo (whom also sent 50 sMerits to Ajpa94), the sole TX received by the latter whom, not surprisingly, also delete posts to go from Sr. Member to Brand New.

Old stuff though.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

<…> I doubt if he bought the 50 merits, it high likely an alt accounts <…>

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Old stuff though.

Old stuff indeed, and now i got a better picture of the whole situation, that user by the name - legendaryaccess is a scammer, and those accounts commenting those lies on his thread acknowledging doing business with him successfully, are probably his alts, which he is using to comment those lies as testimonies in order to lure unsuspecting victims into patronizing him. The picture is very clear right now. Thanks, everyone for coming through.

And also, I never knew it was possible for a user to get de-ranked if he or she deletes all of his or her posts, just learning about this possibility today and now, how amazing, really wondering what could ever make someone want to delete all their post and get de-ranked from a rank as high as a hero member, maybe to forever bury their evil history.

Anyways, thanks to everyone once again, i perfectly understand now.

[un_rank]

And also, I never knew it was possible for a user to get de-ranked if he or she deletes all of his or her posts, just learning about this possibility today and now...

Rank depends on merit and activity.
Activity depends on posts.
So, if you delete enough posts, your activity drops and so does the rank irrespective of the merits.

...really wondering what could ever make someone want to delete all their post and get de-ranked from a rank as high as a hero member, maybe to forever bury their evil history.

Scammers like this user in question used it to scam newbies.

It is more believable that a newbie account with 4 posts bought 550 merits than an account with over 500 posts and activity. Users that cannot dig deep and see that it was airdropped will believe it and possibly pay for merits too.
It can also be done after a user buys an account and want to delete evidence if the previous owner's posting habits.

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[Don Pedro Dinero]

Both deleted a bunch of posts at some point, leading the accounts to be de-ranked:
-   Kda2018 went from Hero Member to Newbie.
-   Ajpa94 went from Sr. Member to Full Member.

You mean they were de-ranked for being stupid? LMAO. In the case of the one who confessed to buying the 550 merits (500 from the account and 50), Kda2018, he threw the money away if we look at his post history.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Son of a bitch.  I've had that whole section (Invites & Accounts) for the longest time, and I thought the days of putting forum accounts up for sale there were over.  I tagged some of those assholes who were apparently kissing the ass of the person selling accounts/merits, but who knows if they were alts.

And these days, who even knows if negative feedback from DT members even deters account sales or lessens the chances of idiot shitposters getting into bounties/campaigns?  There used to be a lot more threads requesting removal of negative feedback, and I used to get tons of PMs regarding that as well.

You already got your answer, OP, but I appreciate you starting this thread and alerting me that the shenanigans continue.  Somebody call an exterminator, PLEASE.

Edit: Yes, I know that thread was from April but that was only a few months ago.  I'm afraid to un-ignore the section and start looking around for fear of what I might find.  Is it safe to venture into, or am I going to get caught up in a tagging spree?

[examplens]

Can someone with better understanding of how this works please look into this and help make my dull head understand.

I'm pretty sure that these are alt accounts of the same person. The post you are talking about is just a fake vouch for his own service, seen many times so far.
Given that it is a matter of account trading, I believe that the OP has several accounts, probably a certain amount of smerits in addition to some. It is also possible that he sold to one buyer a "larger" quantity of merits, sent from several different accounts.

[shahzadafzal]

Both deleted a bunch of posts at some point, leading the accounts to be de-ranked:
-   Kda2018 went from Hero Member to Newbie.
-   Ajpa94 went from Sr. Member to Full Member.

By the way, Ajpa94 also sent 50 sMerits to Katodozo (whom also sent 50 sMerits to Ajpa94), the sole TX received by the latter whom, not surprisingly, also delete posts to go from Sr. Member to Brand New.

Old stuff though.

Wow, that's quite surprising (not the merit buying selling or merit abuse but ranks). I knew that when you delete posts, your activity goes down, which is understandable. However, I didn't realize that it could affect your earned rank as well. It's strange how post deletions can have such a significant impact.

So practically it is possible that if a Legendary rank member were to delete their posts, they would suddenly become a Newbie. It does seem a bit counterintuitive, especially if we consider that merits, once earned, are static and can't be decreased. Similarly, I thought ranks are also static, and post deletion can't affect rank.

Anyway thanks for the update, learned something new

[Igebotz]

Wow, that's quite surprising (not the merit buying selling or merit abuse but ranks). I knew that when you delete posts, your activity goes down, which is understandable. However, I didn't realize that it could affect your earned rank as well. It's strange how post deletions can have such a significant impact.

So practically it is possible that if a Legendary rank member were to delete their posts, they would suddenly become a Newbie. It does seem a bit counterintuitive, especially if we consider that merits, once earned, are static and can't be decreased. Similarly, I thought ranks are also static, and post deletion can't affect rank.

Anyway thanks for the update, learned something new

It is only fair to lose these activity points if posts are deleted as the number of posts determines the activity points. There would have been a high incidence of post recycling abuse for signature spammers if there had been no penalties for posts being deleted.

Delete old Posts, recycle. Rinse and repeat

[Russlenat]

The answer can be seen here ;

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=911155
https://archive.is/dCSHn

We can check his profile, that 500 merits wasn't airdropped, user is accuse of "Explicit merit abuse between Ajpa94, Karodozo, Kda2018" by actmyname

[Odusko]

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Old stuff though.

And also, I never knew it was possible for a user to get de-ranked if he or she deletes all of his or her posts, just learned about this possibility today and now, how amazing, really wondering what could ever make someone want to delete all their post and get de-ranked from a rank as high as a hero member, maybe to forever bury their evil history.

There is nothing new or technical in that, all the scammer needs to do is to delete the overall posts in the account and since the forum software doesn't limit members on the number of posts that can be deleted, the low-brained scammer will think deleting the total posts and starting from brand new in the account will eliminate previous history,  most of them apply such formulas to hacked accounts that are sold out at some point.
Not knowing that all deleted posts can be brought back using ninjastic.

[Shamm]

Very simple, since his earned merit is only 50 merits, it means the rest (500 merits) are airdropped before the merit system. So, he was lying if he bought all the 550 merits at once.

I doubt if he bought the 50 merits, it high likely an alt accounts.

He was a Hero member and then delete all of his posts, so he back become a newbie rank.

Yes you are right that mate he/she was a hero Member before and when we use BPIP all we can see in his profile is that he only received 50, merits in one user but I don't believe that he buy that 50 merits as we can see that he gave back the 25 sMerits he have  so it's like an two accounts are connected and  also to make sure that they will not caught Kd2018 gave his 50 sMerits to Satoshi.
 Here's some screenshots viewed from BPIP..

[nakamura12]

If what that person saying is true then he most likely bought 550 merits in all where the seller sent the remaining 50 merits to the old account which is registered before the merit system is implemented therefore what that person mean about buying 550 merits is buying an account with 550 merits (500 airdropped and 50 were received). After all, the thread where that buyer posted is a thread about selling accounts.

Yes you are right that mate he/she was a hero Member before and when we use BPIP all we can see in his profile is that he only received 50, merits in one user but I don't believe that he buy that 50 merits as we can see that he gave back the 25 sMerits he have  so it's like an two accounts are connected and  also to make sure that they will not caught Kd2018 gave his 50 sMerits to Satoshi.
 Here's some screenshots viewed from BPIP..

This is also possible where the two is the same person but it is also possible that the seller sent 50 merits to the account and sent the smerits back to the seller before giving the account to the buyer. The thread is about selling accounts and you can see there's a password change after waking up from being inactive.