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October 15, 2023, 06:32:38 AM
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However, I am here to say these are the reasons why it is not always good to gamble in a betting agent's shop, because if the manager of the shop does not run with the money a gambler wins, then one of the workers in the betting shop might run away with the money someone wins, so I do conclude that an online gambling site with good reputation is the best for gambler, so what do you guys have to say about this?.
Nor totally correct, their are some online casino that has done similar thing like this. This is something that can happen in physical gambling shop or even online casinos.  I think when playing gambling both in physical shop or online casinos people just need to be careful,  smart and observant how these gambling companies operate if they are really reliable places to play gambling. So I don't think it is only in the physical gambling shops that bad events like this can take place.

Gamblers needs to get other customers reviews of gambling companies they play bet with just to know if their are good ratings for people to be sure it is safe to play bets.

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October 15, 2023, 06:46:05 AM
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So, yesterday afternoon, a man bet on a midnight game and the game played accordingly as predicted, but the surprising thing was that the betting agent ran away with the money the man won, and the betting agent is no where to be found.

That is a crazy story, why should the betting agent run away after one successful bet from his customer? Maybe he has lost the money in some other way, but still it doesn't make a lot of sense to run away from him. One bad bet alone shouldn't be the reason for someone to abandon his whole business and flee the city. It's not like you can just avoid some people forever and just act like nothing happened. Once the word gets out that you are not paying out winnings then your business as a betting agent it over. It's hard to say more about the situation without knowing additional details, but to me it seems like an overreaction. Hopefully the agent comes to his senses and will pay out the winner. No reason to shed a bad light on the whole industry by the wrong actions of one individual. I agree with you that we should be careful when betting larger amounts with independent betting agents, maybe it would have been better to choose one of the big casino names instead.
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October 15, 2023, 06:58:04 AM
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Today I witness something very strange in the area where I live recently. There was a gambling shop that was not too far from where I am staying, so every day different gamblers visit the shop to bet on games, some win and some don't win a dime.

So, yesterday afternoon, a man bet on a midnight game and the game played accordingly as predicted, but the surprising thing was that the betting agent ran away with the money the man won, and the betting agent is no where to be found.

However, I am here to say these are the reasons why it is not always good to gamble in a betting agent's shop, because if the manager of the shop does not run with the money a gambler wins, then one of the workers in the betting shop might run away with the money someone wins, so I do conclude that an online gambling site with good reputation is the best for gambler, so what do you guys have to say about this?.

I guess that by "gambling shop" you mean sports betting/bookmaker "shop"?
Those sports betting offline places(and the sports betting agents, who run them) must have a license to conduct such kind of business.
If this bookie didn't have a license, he is most likely a scammer. I don't know where do you live. The story you are describing seems to have happened in some underdeveloped country in Africa, Asia or Latin America. I highly doubt that such thing would happen in a European country.
Online sports betting platforms aren't necessarily more secure than offline bookmaker shops. The gamblers will always have to careful, it doesn't matter if they are placing bets online or offline.

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October 15, 2023, 07:00:21 AM
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That's the risk of using a betting agent; it's like a third-party or bridge for your bets. Why not just use online gambling sites? I'm sure there are plenty out there that are reputable enough to trust with your money. That way, we can also keep our gambling activity hidden, putting us under the radar of those with criminal minds. Not only do we have online gambling sites in the world of crypto, but also in fiat currencies. However, it's easier here in crypto, so I guess they should explore the possibilities to gamble without an agent.

because if the manager of the shop does not run with the money a gambler wins, then one of the workers in the betting shop might run away with the money someone wins, so I do conclude that an online gambling site with good reputation is the best for gambler, so what do you guys have to say about this?.

And they will play the blame game, a real hassle on your part! Just take it easy and use online casinos instead. You'll have peace of mind that way.

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October 15, 2023, 07:03:26 AM
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If you can find a trusted betting agent, you will not experience cases of fraud like what this man experienced. He will not worry about his betting agent because he is trusted by many people, although there is still a possibility that the betting agent will run away with all his money.

Nothing is safe when it comes to money because people can act beyond our expectations, especially when it comes to money, people will do anything to get it, including the betting agent who ran away. For this reason, we must be able to choose the betting agent correctly so that no problems arise. And it's the same as when you look for online gambling sites. If you can find a trusted online gambling site, especially an online gambling site, on this forum, you won't worry about any problems that might arise.

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October 15, 2023, 07:25:47 AM
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Today I witness something very strange in the area where I live recently. There was a gambling shop that was not too far from where I am staying, so every day different gamblers visit the shop to bet on games, some win and some don't win a dime.

So, yesterday afternoon, a man bet on a midnight game and the game played accordingly as predicted, but the surprising thing was that the betting agent ran away with the money the man won, and the betting agent is no where to be found.

However, I am here to say these are the reasons why it is not always good to gamble in a betting agent's shop, because if the manager of the shop does not run with the money a gambler wins, then one of the workers in the betting shop might run away with the money someone wins, so I do conclude that an online gambling site with good reputation is the best for gambler, so what do you guys have to say about this?.

If anyone is dealing with a betting agent, one should make sure that he is an authentic and trusted betting agent. These days, anyone can claim himself a betting agent, get money from you and then run away with your money. A professional betting agent will never do such things as he makes a lot of income being a trusted agent.

Even I know there are betting agents who are so trusted, that they never meet you, and you just tell them your bet and deposit money in their accounts and all this correspondence is done through mobile or WhatsApp. It is always better to investigate the repute of the betting agent before transferring your money to him.

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October 15, 2023, 07:32:37 AM
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Even I know there are betting agents who are so trusted, that they never meet you, and you just tell them your bet and deposit money in their accounts and all this correspondence is done through mobile or WhatsApp. It is always better to investigate the repute of the betting agent before transferring your money to him.


Even if such an agent has a good reputation, the fact that they hold the money for betting can be very risky. They might get tempted when facing financial problems – it's a very human trait. In comparison, when you deposit funds directly with a casino that has a reputation to uphold, they have a bigger interest in keeping your money secure and paying you when you win. Their reputation is their main asset in maintaining a profitable business.

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October 15, 2023, 07:45:54 AM
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Today I witness something very strange in the area where I live recently. There was a gambling shop that was not too far from where I am staying, so every day different gamblers visit the shop to bet on games, some win and some don't win a dime.

So, yesterday afternoon, a man bet on a midnight game and the game played accordingly as predicted, but the surprising thing was that the betting agent ran away with the money the man won, and the betting agent is no where to be found.
Provided a Casino/sportsbook survives the first month of operation, then these guys will register some profits and according to your wording these guys have been running this business for a while and I don't think they have ran away as they have the money to payout any winners.
Besides these brick and mortar businesses need to adhere to other regulatory obligations and maybe that's what they are sorting out, give it some time and they will open...and in this day and age users need to move to more convenient channels like gambling online with is a 24/7 service without having to worry about a closed shop.

However, I am here to say these are the reasons why it is not always good to gamble in a betting agent's shop, because if the manager of the shop does not run with the money a gambler wins, then one of the workers in the betting shop might run away with the money someone wins
An employee running away with company money should not be your problem, before setting up such a business some capital is secured to show capacity to pay which is why maximum payouts are set to avoid failure to pay... otherwise any internal lose cannot be passed on the clients.

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Today I witness something very strange in the area where I live recently. There was a gambling shop that was not too far from where I am staying, so every day different gamblers visit the shop to bet on games, some win and some don't win a dime.

So, yesterday afternoon, a man bet on a midnight game and the game played accordingly as predicted, but the surprising thing was that the betting agent ran away with the money the man won, and the betting agent is no where to be found.

However, I am here to say these are the reasons why it is not always good to gamble in a betting agent's shop, because if the manager of the shop does not run with the money a gambler wins, then one of the workers in the betting shop might run away with the money someone wins, so I do conclude that an online gambling site with good reputation is the best for gambler, so what do you guys have to say about this?.

Well it means that those betting agent is not actually going after to run a clean business since they run when someone win maybe a big amount on their shop. Maybe if the amount is really worth to chase then the person who won the amount should report it to authorities so that that betting agent will be sued and maybe pay what he owes to the winner. Also maybe we would provably know what is the reason about his escape since if it show that they can't really pay their winners then maybe it can affect those other betting shop and costumers might think the same thing happen to them if they bet on those shops again.

In that case maybe we should seek the background first of the betting shop then see if they have license to operate the business so that we would provably know that we can go after with them and have some assurance that we can get our winnings.

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Betting agents are not very trustworthy when it comes to online gambling so it is very difficult to get their information if they run away. Therefore before starting the gambling game you should know about these agents well. In order to facilitate the service in the case of betting the matter of appointing an agent is stuck in the plan and scammed. If you think you are starting to experience problems with betting then read the terms and conditions and privacy policy about the agents before you start betting. So you will know what rules to follow and get to know professionals who will always help you.

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October 15, 2023, 08:10:38 AM
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Or, a reputable sports bookie. Those who are positioned in some malls or other activity buildings, I am pretty sure those are legitimate ones and they have nowhere to run since their business information is linked to the building and they can be sued anytime. Perhaps the bet of the man who won was too high that the agent that you said could not pay it any longer so he just ran away thinking that is the only solution he have or else he will be cornered.

Online gambling sites are the best choice indeed, but what if the odds do differ from those physical sports bookies? A 0.1 difference is a high number if you are betting in thousands of dollars and they would want that especially if they are making a long parlay.
Also, the country's restrictions on online sports bookies are another wall to those who want to gamble, and using a VPN is not a good solution since it will jeopardize their accounts and the money in it.

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October 15, 2023, 09:03:04 AM
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Even if such an agent has a good reputation, the fact that they hold the money for betting can be very risky. They might get tempted when facing financial problems – it's a very human trait. In comparison, when you deposit funds directly with a casino that has a reputation to uphold, they have a bigger interest in keeping your money secure and paying you when you win. Their reputation is their main asset in maintaining a profitable business.
A reputable online casino is controlled by human, so the owner might get tempted too and not want to pay the winnings to the gambler. So it's not make sense if you think only offline casino would scam, actually when you scam in real life, the chance you will get caught is higher than you scam through online.

Have 1xbit's owner go to jail after scamming many gamblers since few years ago? nope.

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The victim should be happy that the worst the worker can do was to run away with the money which I believe can be resolved if the victim takes the right approach by using the law, that runaway criminal will be found and the money will be recovered from him.

I actually don't get involved with gambling, not until it's accessible via the internet, because there are many stories happening in my country where a lucky gambler will win life changing money in a casino and criminals will visit them at home, they are either killed for the money after taking everything from them or they just take the money.

This is why I said this victim is lucky, the casino worker choose to use this stupid way to run away with the gamblers money and he doing so turned him into a wanted criminal, if the victim go straight to a police station they will start investigating the matter, there is always someone who knows these casino workers and how they can find them.

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October 15, 2023, 09:44:43 AM
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The reason for this is simple.... the smaller gambling shops or agents operate with small bankrolls, so they do not have a lot of funds to payout large wins. They will then close shop and move to another area, where they will start taking bets again... until someone bet large amounts or win large amounts and then they run again.

This is why I am not signing up with smaller casinos, because they do the same thing.... "fly-by-night" operations. I will fist see what other people experience and then when I see that the casino honor their withdrawals, then I will create an account.  Wink

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October 15, 2023, 09:55:27 AM
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An underage fella was stabbed to death because he failed to buy some useless guys bottles of wine after he won, I hate local casino locations and den, it's never safe especially in a country with hard economy, the zeal of forcefully taking some others is in the eye of every souls, I don't know here you are from but this is what I am getting in my country, the harder the situation of the country the more crime will be on every streets.

Internet have made things a bit easier for gamblers, I am so against casino locations, anything can happen to you if you win a big amount, and words travel faster than anything, it will reach the ear of bad people.

Grab your PC or your smart phone and start gambling, if you lose it's your problem, and if you win it's also your problem, no one will know how much you win or lose and that makes you safer than leaving your home to gamble in a location.

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However, I am here to say these are the reasons why it is not always good to gamble in a betting agent's shop, because if the manager of the shop does not run with the money a gambler wins, then one of the workers in the betting shop might run away with the money someone wins, so I do conclude that an online gambling site with good reputation is the best for gambler, so what do you guys have to say about this?.

I have seen some casinos on this forum end up being scams. Therefore, if I gamble, I will choose a reputable and trustworthy casino. One way I assess casinos on this forum is by looking at the activeness of the ANN threads they have. I prefer to gamble on gambling sites on this forum because if something happens then I can complain via their ANN thread

Since gambling is about money, trust and reputation are paramount. Maybe I often lose when gambling but being cheated is something different and worse than losing

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October 15, 2023, 11:40:55 AM
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Betting agents are not very trustworthy when it comes to online gambling so it is very difficult to get their information if they run away. Therefore before starting the gambling game you should know about these agents well. In order to facilitate the service in the case of betting the matter of appointing an agent is stuck in the plan and scammed. If you think you are starting to experience problems with betting then read the terms and conditions and privacy policy about the agents before you start betting. So you will know what rules to follow and get to know professionals who will always help you.
I think betting agents only exist on land not for online gambling because in online gambling of course every gambler bets on the betting options provided by the casino and almost all gamblers use large trusted casinos with very good reputations so whatever winnings they get it impossible for the casino to don't pay it because it can damage the reputation and there is chance that the casino will experience bad things such as customers leaving without anyone wanting to return to deposit money there.

Talking about what the OP said here it actually happens lot in any country even in the area where I live which is an area where there are quite lot of gamblers there are still often several cases where the betting agent runs away when the gambler wins large and the agent bets here are usually called mines.
This is profitable business because many older gamblers who cannot access online sites go to shops to be able to spend their money in sports betting or lottery options but some agents take advantage of the opportunity if someone wins big by taking away the winnings and this is why there are more and more many gamblers also prefer to bet at online casinos.

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October 15, 2023, 11:56:39 AM
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However, I am here to say these are the reasons why it is not always good to gamble in a betting agent's shop, because if the manager of the shop does not run with the money a gambler wins, then one of the workers in the betting shop might run away with the money someone wins, so I do conclude that an online gambling site with good reputation is the best for gambler, so what do you guys have to say about this?.

If the betting shop has a license the license can be revoked including the business permit, the manager is obligated to pay the winner even if the gambling agent runs away with the money, he owns the shop and it is part of his obligation on the license and permit is to pay the winners regardless of the situation.

There are advantages and disadvantages to playing online and offline, and it is to your own advantage to always play with a license and with a good reputation online and offline, however, you have a better chance offline because the casino is bound by the laws to protect their citizen and you are one of the citizens that your government will protect against scam offline casinos.

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October 15, 2023, 12:05:42 PM
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However, I am here to say these are the reasons why it is not always good to gamble in a betting agent's shop, because if the manager of the shop does not run with the money a gambler wins, then one of the workers in the betting shop might run away with the money someone wins, so I do conclude that an online gambling site with good reputation is the best for gambler, so what do you guys have to say about this?.

Sometimes I even prefer betting in a physical shop that I know is legit and the shop is under a legal betting company. This case is very simple: if the guy in question has his betting slip intact, then there is nothing to be worried about here.
 
All the man has to do is look for another agent that can take him to the head office or locate one by himself, then go there with the proof of the game that he won, and the slip in his hand will be checked to see if the game was truly won or not, and if it was won, then the company will pay him.

If it happens that the owner of the shop has already credited that winning to his agent account, then the man will have to leave the case with the company as they have solid information about the agent (shop owner) and they can easily locate him. In such a case, there is a possibility that the person will receive back the already-wined amount.

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October 15, 2023, 12:15:08 PM
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Online gambling sites still have the probability of holding bettors funds for one reason or another, so to me this does not seem like a solid reason why users should start using online gambling site.

And since no one was able to get in touch with that agent it’s very possible that the reason why he’s gone into hiding is different from that, so unless he’s found and he confessed that he truly had to hid because of the money then I will take this thread with a grain of salt.

You don't need to relate to what actually happened based on what the OP shared. The fact that an agent is involved, they could be blamed for mishandling money, and yet the shop could continue to operate. It's easy for them to blame one of our agents for fraudulent activity. You can sue the agent, but the shop might keep going. They can come up with excuses and not necessarily take measures to prevent it from happening again.

Now, let's compare this with a gambling site. Say you're gambling on a reputable and popular one. If they don't pay your winnings, you can always make a scam accusation against their them. Since you'd get people's attention, both gamblers and potential gamblers, it could damage their reputation significantly. Regardless of the amount of money you complain about, the damage is substantial because you're attacking their reputation in the process.

Think about it this way: you could accuse them of stealing your $100, but if they're a major gambling site, they might lose $1 million due to your proven scam accusation. So, I think they wouldn't want that to happen in the first place because it would mean hurting their business. In the event they scam, it wouldn't be for one person only; they'd most likely be looking to pull an exit scam.

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