YoMix warning

[yoonie]

I recently did an in person transaction and got paid in BTC. Honestly it wasn't anything shady but who knows where these coins were previously... So I thought to use a mixer before cashing out. I have an Uphold account for many many years and never had any issues, so I just mixed my coins with YoMix and deposited there. This was my first transaction I did in Uphold since 3 years ago and in the very next day I get this email. No other transactions were done in the meantime so it's certain this is related to YoMix.
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This would mean that the address YoMix used too give me funds immedietly got detected as being connected to terrorism financing. It's well beyond me how a "bitcoin mixer's" developers could be so incompetent.
So I guess thanks YoMix for putting me on an FBI watchlist. Be warned anyone. If it's so easy for an exchange to detect a bitcoin "mixer" it sure as hell means that it's not an actual mixer.

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[shield132]

I recently did an in person transaction and got paid in BTC. Honestly it wasn't anything shady but who knows where these coins were previously... So I thought to use a mixer before cashing out. I have an Uphold account for many many years and never had any issues, so I just mixed my coins with YoMix and deposited there. This was my first transaction I did in Uphold since 3 years ago and in the very next day I get this email. No other transactions were done in the meantime so it's certain this is related to YoMix.

This would mean that the address YoMix used too give me funds immedietly got detected as being connected to terrorism financing. It's well beyond me how a "bitcoin mixer's" developers could be so incompetent.
So I guess thanks YoMix for putting me on an FBI watchlist. Be warned anyone. If it's so easy for an exchange to detect a bitcoin "mixer" it sure as hell means that it's not an actual mixer.

Is it meaningless to try to explain them that you just exchanged your coins and you have no idea that your bitcoins are tagged? How can you know whether incoming coins have gone through something bad? This is something beyond your capabilities. Maybe their system did a false positive? How can they be so sure that your coins are bad?

Please be informed that due to privacy and confidentiality laws, we'll not be able to provide further information on our decision.

This doesn't make any sense. Anybody can claim that your coins are bad without any reason and tell you they can't show you proofs because of confidentiality laws.

Btw, did you choose max mixing level on yomix? Did you enable random amount of transactions with high service fee and some hours of transfer delay? This would increase your anonimity.

Btw [banned mixer] claims to send you coins from exchanges that make you not to worry about bad funds. [banned mixer] uses monero bridge and logically should offer you high anonimity. There is also a [banned mixer] that has been on market for centuries with proven reserves of more than 2000 bitcoins and I haven't heard anyone saying bad about them.

[Jawhead999]

@OP I'm sorry to say this, but it's really stupid if you link mixed coins to centralized exchange because centralized exchange will never want to accept sources from a mixer. Even you send your mixed coins to your non custodial wallet before you send to the centralized exchange, it will not remove anything since it's called as "concealing a transaction".

So if you want to mix your coins, you must cash out through no KYC P2P, direct P2P or DEX.

[Faisal2202]

This would mean that the address YoMix used too give me funds immedietly got detected as being connected to terrorism financing. It's well beyond me how a "bitcoin mixer's" developers could be so incompetent.
So I guess thanks YoMix for putting me on an FBI watchlist. Be warned anyone. If it's so easy for an exchange to detect a bitcoin "mixer" it sure as hell means that it's not an actual mixer.

I read the email, and it did not says anywhere that the amount is being funded from some terrorism account. I assume you are new to mixers, as you already said in your post, and then you should know that, many CEXs don't accept payments from mixers. You have to understand that if CEXs are positive terminal then Mixers are negative terminals. Means they are opposite to each other.

They are both against each other purposes. CEXs shows your identity and ask it and will share it with feds while Mixers don't do that, at least it is what they say.

@OP I'm sorry to say this, but it's really stupid if you link mixed coins to centralized exchange because centralized exchange will never want to accept sources from a mixer. Even you send your mixed coins to your non custodial wallet before you send to the centralized exchange, it will not remove anything since it's called as "concealing a transaction".

So if you want to mix your coins, you must cash out through no KYC P2P, direct P2P or DEX.

I was going to say the same, and I thought OP might know it, and did the whole thing on purpose, but I can not conclude until I know the whole story and It is not something new, few days ago, some member was trying to say the same, that yomix is a product of Cops, haha, I mean, really, if it then provides some proofs, all they are coming with, these useless statements.

Well, lets see, what comes next.

[hugeblack]

When the ChipMixer was seized by the FBI^[1], there were many chips that were withdrawn before and were later deposited in the exchanges, and we did not hear from anyone complaining about problems related to depositing those funds. Note that the chipmixer was seized by the FBI, which is something that did not happen with YoMix.

you should ask Uphold account about the reason for freezing the account and tell them about the source of the funds, as the account may have been closed by mistake or for any reason.
In general, if another member complained about depositing YoMIX to the Uphold account and it was closed for the same reason, here we can say that there is a problem with the mixer.

Do you have any link to @brace the mace ?

[1] https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-investigation-leads-takedown-darknet-cryptocurrency-mixer-processed-over-3#:~:text=The%20operation%20involved%20U.S.%20federal,than%20%2446%20million%20in%20cryptocurrency

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

So I guess thanks YoMix for putting me on an FBI watchlist. Be warned anyone. If it's so easy for an exchange to detect a bitcoin "mixer" it sure as hell means that it's not an actual mixer.

When you are using mixers you need to be creative. I think it's depend on individual experience level. Personally I will not give up my strategy and want someone else to adopt it to make it became common. I use mixers a lot even in the recent time I used one of the mixer [not calling the name for obvious reason] that is advertising on the forum. Thankfully I never had any such experience.

Besides when there are no information given to show/prove the validity of the reason they gave, it's hard to make a conclusion too.

[AbuBhakar]

This would mean that the address YoMix used too give me funds immedietly got detected as being connected to terrorism financing. It's well beyond me how a "bitcoin mixer's" developers could be so incompetent.
So I guess thanks YoMix for putting me on an FBI watchlist. Be warned anyone. If it's so easy for an exchange to detect a bitcoin "mixer" it sure as hell means that it's not an actual mixer.

AFAIK, the message given to you by uphold is the typical description when user caught using mixer to deposit on their platform. You check their ToS if they forbid the use of mixer to deposit since some centralized services that usually involves fiat as main currency is very strict on mixers. We have centralized service too in my country that doesn’t allowed funds coming from gambling, mixer and other platform which can be use to launder except exchange.

There’s no way to filter out Bitcoin that being watch by FBI since there’s no such sign like that to determine tainted Bitcoin unless you knew the watchlist of FBI.

[Winterfrost]

Last time i checked Yomix is one of the best mixer out there with a lot of users and this is my first time of hearing complaint about the Yomix mixer. I would say you checked your your address again but Yomix supports a lot of addresses including SegWit, Taproot, Legacy, and Bech32, so that should not be the issue. The issue is obviously from your Uphold account perhaps there are some other transactions you did that was related to the claim by Uphold. I still don't know why they wont give you a complete feedback on what may occur, giving excuses to laws and regulation. The reasons for supports is to response to feedback.

[salad daging]

I think you made a mistake by doing the mixer service and then using an exchange wallet. It is clear that centralized exchanges have a rule of not accepting deposits from the results of the mixer service because this violates their rules which they consider to be money laundering.

I have used the Mixer service several times but never sent it directly to a centralized exchange because I knew it would be dangerous if it was detected and the balance would be held, use another wallet to be safer, but this is not entirely YoMix's fault because the Uphold exchange itself has strict regulations.

[hugeblack]

I think you made a mistake by doing the mixer service and then using an exchange wallet. It is clear that centralized exchanges have a rule of not accepting deposits from the results of the mixer service because this violates their rules which they consider to be money laundering.

Unless the mixing service is very poor (and as my last test, YOMIX was not) it is difficult or almost impossible for any exchange to be certain that deposits came from a mixer that works in the same way as YOMIX does.
All they will do is analyze the last 10 or 5 transactions, and if they are related to activities such as casinos, addresses on the blacklist, or others, your transaction may be marked badly.
Therefore, unless a careful analysis of your account is carried out, it is difficult for your account to be frozen simply because you used a mixer.

[TryNinja]

Call me cynical but I don't believe OP. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Recently registered account (zero posts), so he could say anything. "So why distrust him?" - well, that's because another user was attacking them after copy-pasting the wrong Bitcoin address (context) and then he created another post calling them a "potential honeypot" for revenge (context). I think there is a slight chance this is the same user trying to smear yomix.

Again:

Note: I have never used YoMix and have never joined their signature campaign, talked with them, etc... your points just aren't that strong, IMO.

I personally never got any account blocked after using mixers for many years (while I know this has probably happened with other people in the past).

[Bitcoin_Arena]

Mixes bitcoins and then send to a centralized exchange. When his account is blocked, goes ahead to blame Yomix for putting him on FBI watch list. Who does that?
What was the point of mixing coins then if you were going to send them to a centralized exchange them?

OP, I don't know how long you have used crypto, but you have no one else to blame but yourself. If you want complete privacy and custody of your funds, then avoid centralized exchanges. Simple as that.

[robelneo]

So I guess thanks YoMix for putting me on an FBI watchlist. Be warned anyone. If it's so easy for an exchange to detect a bitcoin "mixer" it sure as hell means that it's not an actual mixer.

Have you read their article
Why we sometimes have to block, restrict or close accounts - and how to reduce the risk

They stated that there are false positives in their assessment of one's account, have you asked for review of your account I doubt if you are immediately put on FBI's watch list you are creating your own ghost, until now no Chipmixer's customers are charged, so why you would you have that thinking that you are under FBI watch list right away.

[Woodie]

I recently did an in person transaction and got paid in BTC. Honestly it wasn't anything shady but who knows where these coins were previously... So I thought to use a mixer before cashing out. I have an Uphold account for many many years and never had any issues, so I just mixed my coins with YoMix and deposited there. This was my first transaction I did in Uphold since 3 years ago and in the very next day I get this email. No other transactions were done in the meantime so it's certain this is related to YoMix.

Before blaming YoMix for this hiccup, I believe you have omitted some fine details on your side!

• Has your Uphold account been active
• When was the last time you used your account besides this transaction
• What type of account do you hold with Uphold

Btw reading some of the terms of Uphold>>> https://uphold.com/en-us/legal/membership-agreement/general this could be anything to do with KYC, an inactive account, or their AML checks.

Have you been in touch with their support to try and understand what's happening with your account?

and visiting their Reddit page they seem to be a mess!

This would mean that the address YoMix used too give me funds immedietly got detected as being connected to terrorism financing.

Am starting to think these guys operate similarly to Paypal where they limit accounts if they receive funds inconsistently and this could be what's happening here...
Just a quick question, how often have you(OP) been depositing funds here..has it been consentient ..if it were $50, $100 then jumped to $2000 am pretty sure they have every right to flag this transaction as its not your regular pattern and best to have a chat with their support, good luck.

[FatFork]

It's well beyond me how a "bitcoin mixer's" developers could be so incompetent.

Don't mix up your own incompetence with someone else's. You don't use mixers to "clean" your coins, but to obfuscate your inputs and break the transaction trail on the blockchain. Obviously, by doing that, you end up with "someone else's" coins that might be linked to some shady activities.

So I guess thanks YoMix for putting me on an FBI watchlist. Be warned anyone. If it's so easy for an exchange to detect a bitcoin "mixer" it sure as hell means that it's not an actual mixer.

That's nonsense! Jumping to conclusions about being on an FBI watchlist due to using a mixer is a bit of a stretch.

[hugeblack]

OP, I don't know how long you have used crypto, but you have no one else to blame but yourself. If you want complete privacy and custody of your funds, then avoid centralized exchanges. Simple as that.

There are many who make direct deposits from the mixing service to a central platform because the goal of the mixing service is to break the link between your inputs and your outputs and not to clean the coins (I do not want to use this word because there are no clean coins and dirty coins).
We also have more than 50 members participating in signature campaigns for mixing services, and no one complained. I think @OP is linked to an account that mistakenly copied a different address and when mixing to that address he blamed YoMix.

[yudi09]

So I guess thanks YoMix for putting me on an FBI watchlist. Be warned anyone. If it's so easy for an exchange to detect a bitcoin "mixer" it sure as hell means that it's not an actual mixer.

Personal experience in using a mixer is not like what you described. Could I assume you don't know how to use it, I don't think that's possible. Can I assume you don't know the function of the mixer service, I don't think that's possible.
Except for fraudulent mixer services which make everything possible. AFAIK, for mixers like Yomix and several other mixers that are still active it is impossible for the mixer to give your information to other parties because it deviates from the purpose of the mixer.

[NotATether]

you should ask Uphold account about the reason for freezing the account and tell them about the source of the funds, as the account may have been closed by mistake or for any reason.

Generally, most custodial platforms do not want you to be using a mixer with the money you have in there because that will get them into trouble with the government when people start abusing the service (you know, for actual money laundering and terrorism financing).

Some time ago there was even a high profile case of a Binance user who was made to promise to Binance that they would not use a mixer with their binance funds after their account was suspended for withdrawing to Wasabi wallet. So yeah, these wallets have a number against mixers for some reason.

I would not go as far as saying that OP is on an FBI watchlist, because 1) there is no guarantee that Upwork (same company that makes uphold) actually reports these activities to the FBI and 2) they are overwhelmed with leads, tips, and other received data that a single isolated mix isn't going to catch their attention.

The correct action by upwork would be to allow the OP to withdraw their funds, before closing the account if they wanted to terminate it.

[o_e_l_e_o]

So let me get this straight - you used a mixer, the mixer mixed your coins exactly as they said you would, you deposited your coins on a centralized exchange, the centralized exchange decided to lock your account, and so you post a warning about the mixer? Your mistake wasn't in mixing your coins - your mistake was using a centralized exchange which attacks the very essence of bitcoin by treating it as non-fungible, by discriminating against certain coins, and by censoring certain outputs.

Why is no one questioning this? In what other scenario would this be even remotely logical?

I sold an old laptop to a friend for cash. I used the cash to pay a builder who was doing some work for me, and he disappeared without completing the job. Therefore, beware of selling things to my friend!
I traded cash for bitcoin using Bisq. A scammer on Telegram then convinced me to send them my bitcoin and I lost everything. Therefore, beware of using Bisq!

It is Uphold that you should be posting warning messages about, not any mixer. Uphold are the ones who are spying on your coins and locking your account.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

So let me get this straight - you used a mixer, the mixer mixed your coins exactly as they said you would, you deposited your coins on a centralized exchange, the centralized exchange decided to lock your account, and so you post a warning about the mixer? Your mistake wasn't in mixing your coins - your mistake was using a centralized exchange which attacks the very essence of bitcoin by treating it as non-fungible, by discriminating against certain coins, and by censoring certain outputs.

Why is no one questioning this? In what other scenario would this be even remotely logical?

I sold an old laptop to a friend for cash. I used the cash to pay a builder who was doing some work for me, and he disappeared without completing the job. Therefore, beware of selling things to my friend!
I traded cash for bitcoin using Bisq. A scammer on Telegram then convinced me to send them my bitcoin and I lost everything. Therefore, beware of using Bisq!

It is Uphold that you should be posting warning messages about, not any mixer. Uphold are the ones who are spying on your coins and locking your account.

I had to quote the whole paragraph because the logic of the argument is impeccable.

The only question I have for you and those of you who know more about the subject is, to what extent is the excuse that they give that they are simply doing it to comply with the law true? Even more so when they say that according to privacy and confidentiality laws they are not going to say anything more on the subject. On top of that I see that the Uphold company is based in London, which is the money laundering capital of the world for large amounts of money.

Londongrad: how the City became a money-laundering haven

Why is London money laundering capital of the world?