WTB- TREZOR 3 BITCOIN ONLY WALLET

[krogothmanhattan]

Hey krogoth, if you are interested in collectibles shaped as wallets, I have a Ledger Nano X branded by Betnomi. I won 3 such wallets at their raffles but I don't need all 3. If you want to see some pictures you can do it here. The wallet from those images is unsealed, but I am talking here about one which is sealed.

I used the unsealed wallet to check its hardware integrity and the result was that the wallet is not tampered.

If you are interested, please let me know.

  Hi Gazeta....Thanks for reaching out....but will need to pass as I might have one stored somewhere. I really lost track of what I have and don't thru the years. I guess I need to find the time to dig thru my stuff. Also ledger kinda left a bad taste in my mouth when the announced their idea of storing the private keys as well. And yes, I know I will not be using it ever but that idea they came out to offer has stained them in my eyes.

   But thanks again regardless.

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[GazetaBitcoin]

ledger kinda left a bad taste in my mouth when the announced their idea of storing the private keys as well. And yes, I know I will not be using it ever but that idea they came out to offer has stained them in my eyes.

No worry, I fully understand your point. I also keep my Ledger only as a collectible... I was thinking to raffle the other one but, if I get the chance to make a deal with someone without the raffle I won't say no to that This is why I made the suggestion.

Nevertheless, I understand your position. If you will change your mind, please let me know

[blucepheus]

Trezor > Ledger from a UX and software perspective, by a mile

[seek3r]

Trezor > Ledger from a UX and software perspective, by a mile

To be fair:
Any wallet that uses open-source firmware is > Ledger.

I wouldn't recommend a Ledger Hardware Wallet at any time. They finally dug their own grave with their announcement in May with 'Ledger Recovery'.
But I'm glad to see that more and more users are paying attention and switching to other hardware wallets. Wheter its Trezor, Bitbox, Seed signer or even Jade from Blockstream, which we have already talked about.
Luckily enough there are now enough alternatives to fall back on.

[krogothmanhattan]

Trezor > Ledger from a UX and software perspective, by a mile

  Gotta agree...always a Trezor man here for cold storage besides my trusted paper wallets that is.

    As for cell phone hot wallet, Mycellium has always been my favorite

[DYING_S0UL]

ledger kinda left a bad taste in my mouth when the announced their idea of storing the private keys as well. And yes, I know I will not be using it ever but that idea they came out to offer has stained them in my eyes.

No worry, I fully understand your point. I also keep my Ledger only as a collectible... I was thinking to raffle the other one but, if I get the chance to make a deal with someone without the raffle I won't say no to that This is why I made the suggestion.

Nevertheless, I understand your position. If you will change your mind, please let me know

A raffle might be a good idea if you have an extra. I don't think if you ever raffled anything.

I recently heard something bad about a hardware wallet, can't remember which one or where. Was it about Ledger?

[GazetaBitcoin]

A raffle might be a good idea if you have an extra. I don't think if you ever raffled anything.

This is correct, I never raffled anything. However, I co-sponsored some raffles.

I recently heard something bad about a hardware wallet, can't remember which one or where. Was it about Ledger?

Most likely, yes. This is also mentioned at and post #24.

[Kryptowerk]

Sorry for slightly OP, but I have to jump on the Ledger-bashing-train.
I had a bunch of negeative experiences over the last almost decade now with their devices.
Right now I can only say I hate Ledger and here is why:
- discontinued hardware support for older devices (buy the new one - money grab company)
- data leak exposing all customer data including phone numbers, full name, address etc. From a company supposed to provide crypto security. UGH
- horrible experience with their ledger nano app: balances were displayed as missing or completely wrong (I was a multimillionaire on paper for a few minutes, too, lol). - Only fully resetting with the passphrase worked - how tf is that a secure device?
- They have their "back-up" backdoor upgrade which is highly debateable and mostly frowned upon by any security experts in the crypto space.


That said I have had a good time with the Trezor line and looking forward to try the new Version 3.
I have a %-OFF voucher, not sure if it only works for one device or if I can buy several. If anyone is interested in a Trezor 3 for quite a few % off, send me PM I will try tomorrow if it works for more than one item.
@krogothmanhattan If you still need one send me a PM.

[krogothmanhattan]

Sorry for slightly OP, but I have to jump on the Ledger-bashing-train.
I had a bunch of negeative experiences over the last almost decade now with their devices.
Right now I can only say I hate Ledger and here is why:
- discontinued hardware support for older devices (buy the new one - money grab company)
- data leak exposing all customer data including phone numbers, full name, address etc. From a company supposed to provide crypto security. UGH
- horrible experience with their ledger nano app: balances were displayed as missing or completely wrong (I was a multimillionaire on paper for a few minutes, too, lol). - Only fully resetting with the passphrase worked - how tf is that a secure device?
- They have their "back-up" backdoor upgrade which is highly debateable and mostly frowned upon by any security experts in the crypto space.


That said I have had a good time with the Trezor line and looking forward to try the new Version 3.
I have a %-OFF voucher, not sure if it only works for one device or if I can buy several. If anyone is interested in a Trezor 3 for quite a few % off, send me PM I will try tomorrow if it works for more than one item.
@krogothmanhattan If you still need one send me a PM.

   Couldnt agree more with ya on this....I am a Trezor man thru and thru. Thanks for the offer but I already ordered the Trezor 3. 

[BTCOVERFIATS]

If you guys really want to up your security to the next level there are much better options than Trezor that are also FOSS:

Foundation Devices Passport
Blockstream Jade
SeedSigner

Even Coldcard is better, even though their codebase is "source verifiable" which is technically not FOSS.

Trezor is super solid don't get me wrong. I love them and still recommend that hardware wallet to newbies that are taking self-custody for the first time, but if you have been in Bitcoin for awhile, the next level is a must IMO.

Having a device that never touches the internet and generates your private key completely offline is just another layer of security that I wouldn't pass up.

[Kryptowerk]

If you guys really want to up your security to the next level there are much better options than Trezor that are also FOSS:

Foundation Devices Passport
Blockstream Jade
SeedSigner

Even Coldcard is better, even though their codebase is "source verifiable" which is technically not FOSS.

Trezor is super solid don't get me wrong. I love them and still recommend that hardware wallet to newbies that are taking self-custody for the first time, but if you have been in Bitcoin for awhile, the next level is a must IMO.

Having a device that never touches the internet and generates your private key completely offline is just another layer of security that I wouldn't pass up.

Cool devices you mentioned, do you have any experience with any of them? Blockstream Jade seems like great value for the buck. - However it has a built-in camera and bluetooth which I am not sure if it isn't a security concern.


@krogothmanhattan Do you already have the Tresor 3 in hand? What's your experience in comparison to Model 1?

[BTCOVERFIATS]

If you guys really want to up your security to the next level there are much better options than Trezor that are also FOSS:

Foundation Devices Passport
Blockstream Jade
SeedSigner

Even Coldcard is better, even though their codebase is "source verifiable" which is technically not FOSS.

Trezor is super solid don't get me wrong. I love them and still recommend that hardware wallet to newbies that are taking self-custody for the first time, but if you have been in Bitcoin for awhile, the next level is a must IMO.

Having a device that never touches the internet and generates your private key completely offline is just another layer of security that I wouldn't pass up.

Cool devices you mentioned, do you have any experience with any of them? Blockstream Jade seems like great value for the buck. - However it has a built-in camera and bluetooth which I am not sure if it isn't a security concern.


@krogothmanhattan Do you already have the Tresor 3 in hand? What's your experience in comparison to Model 1?

Hey Kryptowerk,

I have experiences with all the devices I listed and overall the best experience I have had is with SeedSigner. You can building a SeedSigner yourself using a Raspberry Pi Zero v1.3 (which has no WiFi or Bluetooth capability).

The reason why SeedSigner is so great is because you can build it from off the shelf parts and not have to worry about any supply-chain attacks that might occur with Trezor or any hardware wallet companies. When you build a signing device yourself you are not on any email lists and no one could know you are involved with Bitcoin because Raspberry Pi Zero v1.3's are used for so much more. The cost of building one is $30-40.

SeedSigner is also the easiest device to use to learn about Multi-Signature wallets.

I highly suggest everyone check them out on twitter @SeedSigner.

[MoparMiningLLC]

I can also say that i have used these devices as well - my favorites are the seed signer then the passport - Jade I did like but I recently heard that Blockstream may have had a huge customer data breach.

I have built numerous seedsigners as well - great devices.

[krogothmanhattan]

If you guys really want to up your security to the next level there are much better options than Trezor that are also FOSS:

Foundation Devices Passport
Blockstream Jade
SeedSigner

Even Coldcard is better, even though their codebase is "source verifiable" which is technically not FOSS.

Trezor is super solid don't get me wrong. I love them and still recommend that hardware wallet to newbies that are taking self-custody for the first time, but if you have been in Bitcoin for awhile, the next level is a must IMO.

Having a device that never touches the internet and generates your private key completely offline is just another layer of security that I wouldn't pass up.

Cool devices you mentioned, do you have any experience with any of them? Blockstream Jade seems like great value for the buck. - However it has a built-in camera and bluetooth which I am not sure if it isn't a security concern.


@krogothmanhattan Do you already have the Tresor 3 in hand? What's your experience in comparison to Model 1?

   I have yet to receive mine and to be honest I will leave in package as it is for part of my collection of wallets

[Kryptowerk]

I can also say that i have used these devices as well - my favorites are the seed signer then the passport - Jade I did like but I recently heard that Blockstream may have had a huge customer data breach.

I have built numerous seedsigners as well - great devices.

Thanks for your insights both, MoparMiningLLC & BTCOVERFIATS
How long do you estimate it took you to build a seeddesigner the first time? Did you have previous raspberry Pi experience?
I'd like to give it a try but another side project with 15h+ of work time is just not something I can fit in right now - it's why I am asking...

[BTCOVERFIATS]

I can also say that i have used these devices as well - my favorites are the seed signer then the passport - Jade I did like but I recently heard that Blockstream may have had a huge customer data breach.

I have built numerous seedsigners as well - great devices.

Thanks for your insights both, MoparMiningLLC & BTCOVERFIATS
How long do you estimate it took you to build a seeddesigner the first time? Did you have previous raspberry Pi experience?
I'd like to give it a try but another side project with 15h+ of work time is just not something I can fit in right now - it's why I am asking...

I don't have a ton of technical experience and it took me an hour to building my SeedSigner. It's not hard at all

[krogothmanhattan]

 One can also use Electrum in an airgapped computer without ever having the private key ever exposed to the internet.

  I wrote a procedure on how to sweep paper wallets doing it this way.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5303860.msg55941150#msg55941150

  You can also create a wallet on an airgapped computer and then move the BTC without ever having the electrum private keys online.

  So no need for a hardware device except for an air gapped computer  

[MoparMiningLLC]

  One can also use Electrum in an airgapped computer without ever having the private key ever exposed to the internet.

  I wrote a procedure on how to sweep paper wallets doing it this way.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5303860.msg55941150#msg55941150

  You can also create a wallet on an airgapped computer and then move the BTC without ever having the electrum private keys online.

  So no need for a hardware device except for an air gapped computer 

this is how i do my cold storage. simple and and secure and cheaper than any hardware wallet which is really just another possible point of failure.

I use hardware or hotwallets as just that - a hot wallet to use/spend and never to store.

[BTCOVERFIATS]

To be honest... Multi-Signature vaults are the only way to truly mitigate single points of failure.

Having a 2 of 3 multi-sig setup with 3 different air-gapped hardware wallets from 3 different vendors in your multi-sig quorum is the way to go.

Make sure you generate your private key using your own entropy from real physical world randomness. For example, rolling dice, flipping coins, shuffling a deck of cards, and the list goes on....

Never trust your devices RNG, it's hard to prove if they are truly random.

[krogothmanhattan]

To be honest... Multi-Signature vaults are the only way to truly mitigate single points of failure.

Having a 2 of 3 multi-sig setup with 3 different air-gapped hardware wallets from 3 different vendors in your multi-sig quorum is the way to go.

Make sure you generate your private key using your own entropy from real physical world randomness. For example, rolling dice, flipping coins, shuffling a deck of cards, and the list goes on....

Never trust your devices RNG, it's hard to prove if they are truly random.

  Some interesting data on how random a coin toss is on this article....

   https://www.iflscience.com/coin-tosses-are-not-5050-scientists-toss-350757-coins-and-prove-old-theory-71047