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October 23, 2023, 05:40:27 PM
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The Australian Government once said about abolishing gambling ads as a means of reducing gambling activities amongst underage people. But, I think they'll be no successful way of stopping young people from gambling. As it's in them. Most articles here also say things like gambling addiction being hereditary. That means gambling can be hereditary as well. Because I just watched from a distant two kids below 10 years, staking bets, after a long argument about who the artiste of a specific song is. They later staked close to 40 cents each, for the person who gets the answer right. Then they went ahead to verify. And I lost sight of them. I thought about, how come or who thought these kids about betting money during a long argument. I was able to memorize, back when I was a kid. We easily said, how much would you bet if it turns out I'm saying the truth; during an argument. It made me understand that, despite during those days we had no phones or access to the internet, gambling is somehow embedded to the brain of humans. Then, as a child, we weren't exposed to gambling. I could only remember of lotto, as a kid. But we still said things like "let's bet it"
Yes, gambling is ingrained in our DNA as humans, it's not a myth, it's not just the small children you mentioned who bet even when no one taught them to bet, i also bet quite often (my friends and i have also bet on candy) with friends when there was a small argument that we had when i was very young.  governments in countries that want to eradicate gambling are actually quite stupid in doing that, gambling will not be possible to eliminate for everyone, there will continue to be people who gamble even at a very young age, i continue to encourage gambling that is well educated and also responsible.

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October 23, 2023, 06:12:51 PM
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Very well composed bud, and I perfectly understand the angle you are coming, and I definitely agree with you, if thought about deeply and critically, we will understand that gambling is linked to argument. This is like two or more people arguing about the possible outcome of something. This is exactly what gambling is all about, the only thing today is that everything is now digitalized that we no longer have to do the argue and bet manually.

I remember some time some years back, when there was a match being played between two teams, people cheering will argue and placed bet on which team they think will win the match, this bet will be done manually and the money given to someone there to hold till the end of the match, and after the match is finished, the money will be given to the person who predicted the score right.

But all the same, digitalization has changed everything, today, we no longer have to argue and bet openly like before, we do it online these days.
Of course not everything, and I think some things will remain that way because not all are capable to do what others can do. I can picture what you are talkin about there clearly in my head. I can feel the crowd and excitement. It was fun experience overall.

I think this is something that can't totally be imitated by the online gambling. Luckily like I said earlier, there are still like that who remained. For those who are looking for some nostalgia, can always find the nearest betting arena and see the schedules being posted there. Online gambling still provides a comfort and safety. And then arguing if which team will win is still possible but you will mostly do it alone.

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October 23, 2023, 06:29:56 PM
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what the australian government has done is correct by abolishing gambling advertising to prevent minors from gambling before they grow up. abolishing gambling ads may reduce the promotion of gambling and it will reduce the number of minors to find out about gambling platforms and play on those platforms.
but abolishing gambling advertising without the role of parents will be in vain because nowadays children are very free to access devices and their environment can also have a bad impact on them. as parents, they must be able to provide good lessons to their children and continue to monitor what they access and what their playing environment is like. with actions like this it is hoped that the number of minors gambling will be reduced.

So you think that adds are responsible for people's addictions?
Many people are addicted to alcohol, but you can see it everywhere. You go to a store and there are rows of liquors to choose from and kids can go there, look at these fancy bottles thinking what's inside.
What about sex? We don't advertise sex, right? But we do advertise condoms. It's like an indirect way of promoting sex.
If a kid can go to a twitch channel and see people gambling, how is not allowing TV to mention gambling going to stop them from trying it?

IMO We are all exposed to smoking, drinking, and gambling and it's up to us to not get addicted.
In my country they don't promote smoking and drinking in any way, but many of my friends still smoke and drink.
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October 23, 2023, 06:52:36 PM
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what the australian government has done is correct by abolishing gambling advertising to prevent minors from gambling before they grow up. abolishing gambling ads may reduce the promotion of gambling and it will reduce the number of minors to find out about gambling platforms and play on those platforms.
but abolishing gambling advertising without the role of parents will be in vain because nowadays children are very free to access devices and their environment can also have a bad impact on them. as parents, they must be able to provide good lessons to their children and continue to monitor what they access and what their playing environment is like. with actions like this it is hoped that the number of minors gambling will be reduced.

So you think that adds are responsible for people's addictions?
Many people are addicted to alcohol, but you can see it everywhere. You go to a store and there are rows of liquors to choose from and kids can go there, look at these fancy bottles thinking what's inside.
What about sex? We don't advertise sex, right? But we do advertise condoms. It's like an indirect way of promoting sex.
If a kid can go to a twitch channel and see people gambling, how is not allowing TV to mention gambling going to stop them from trying it?

IMO We are all exposed to smoking, drinking, and gambling and it's up to us to not get addicted.
In my country they don't promote smoking and drinking in any way, but many of my friends still smoke and drink.

Sex is evolutionarily rooted in our systems, making sure our species thrives for reproduction. Comparing that to alcohol is weird to say the least.

Advertising does have an impact for as long as society as a whole hasn't had that massive exposure before. But once gambling founds its way into the middle of society, gambling could most likely be reduced but still get more people to play because of word of mouth and general exposure due to family, friends and whatever other people someone is dealing with.

Do you remember the days when there was radio advertisement? You couldn't even touch the product, not even see it, and yet radio advertisement has an effect on buying or consumption decisions. The reason is that it wires desires or memories subconsciously. Having gambling advertisements everywhere and connected to popular faces or brands or sports legitimizes gambling subconsciously. It makes it socially acceptable.

Assuming that there is a % of people who tend to catch an addiction, what happens if instead of 10,000 people 1,000,000 people in a certain area pursue a potentially addictive activity? It happens to be that we have more addicts because %*10,000 is less than %*1,000,000. Advertisement plays an important role in getting people to do or consume stuff. 

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October 23, 2023, 07:23:26 PM
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I agree with OP in a way. People do gamble with or without it being advertised.
That said, the less gambling there is in the media, the better. At least we won't be responsible for indirectly telling people to gamble.
I have nothing against gambling, but I wouldn't tell my child to go gamble. Allowing ads is like telling someone to do something, because that's how they're constructed.
"Buy our product, eat this, wash clothes with that, drive this, you know you want it!"

Having gambling advertisements everywhere and connected to popular faces or brands or sports legitimizes gambling subconsciously. It makes it socially acceptable.

Isn't it socially acceptable? I haven't seen gambling being attacked, or deemed unacceptable. To be honest, people treat unemployed people worse than they tread employed gamblers, at least where I live.

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October 23, 2023, 07:38:46 PM
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From my point of view, gambling is not hereditary. Even if I were a gambler, that doesn't mean my children will become one. Gambling depends on where you live, what culture you are from, what kind of society it is, and how much exposure gambling gets. If there is no way to support, promote, or operate gambling activity, there is no way one would become a gambler. When I live in it, it's pretty exposed. So it is common for teenagers to get involved in gambling. So it's obvious the government won't be able to reduce gambling even if they want. The main fault is the environment that encourages gambling not hereditary.
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October 23, 2023, 07:41:02 PM
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The Australian Government once said about abolishing gambling ads as a means of reducing gambling activities amongst underage people. But, I think they'll be no successful way of stopping young people from gambling. As it's in them. Most articles here also say things like gambling addiction being hereditary. That means gambling can be hereditary as well. Because I just watched from a distant two kids below 10 years, staking bets, after a long argument about who the artiste of a specific song is. They later staked close to 40 cents each, for the person who gets the answer right. Then they went ahead to verify. And I lost sight of them. I thought about, how come or who thought these kids about betting money during a long argument. I was able to memorize, back when I was a kid. We easily said, how much would you bet if it turns out I'm saying the truth; during an argument. It made me understand that, despite during those days we had no phones or access to the internet, gambling is somehow embedded to the brain of humans. Then, as a child, we weren't exposed to gambling. I could only remember of lotto, as a kid. But we still said things like "let's bet it"

People can be naturally competitive, you can argue that it is in their nature, but that does not inherently mean that gambling is natural. It is a learned trait, in a society based around trading, that you can use things like an informational advantage and turn it into a game where each party has the opportunity to improve their current position if they make the correct decision. However most people will associate true gambling with financial gain and incentives, which are alien to children at an early age and it seems like the Australian government is taking the correct stance - especially with a lot of the cartoonish type casino games that are primarily on offer these days. You can even see that loot boxes become a form of gambling which should be discouraged, as they benefit the businesses behind it and not the end users.

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October 23, 2023, 08:01:02 PM
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From my point of view, gambling is not hereditary. Even if I were a gambler, that doesn't mean my children will become one. Gambling depends on where you live, what culture you are from, what kind of society it is, and how much exposure gambling gets. If there is no way to support, promote, or operate gambling activity, there is no way one would become a gambler. When I live in it, it's pretty exposed. So it is common for teenagers to get involved in gambling. So it's obvious the government won't be able to reduce gambling even if they want. The main fault is the environment that encourages gambling not hereditary.

There is environmental influence to what people do because they are exposed to it as it is practically available in such environment. Just as you said, government can't do anything about that but only the parents can by leaving the area to another environment that they desire.

Gambling is always what is practice around neighborhood that are not so much of rich background. Although rich people play gambling but they are mostly adults maybe because they new about it from the young age while they lived in not so rich level. But as to young people, they are mostly from the neighborhood that are middle class range.

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October 23, 2023, 11:37:58 PM
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From my point of view, gambling is not hereditary. Even if I were a gambler, that doesn't mean my children will become one. Gambling depends on where you live, what culture you are from, what kind of society it is, and how much exposure gambling gets. If there is no way to support, promote, or operate gambling activity, there is no way one would become a gambler. When I live in it, it's pretty exposed. So it is common for teenagers to get involved in gambling. So it's obvious the government won't be able to reduce gambling even if they want. The main fault is the environment that encourages gambling not hereditary.

There is environmental influence to what people do because they are exposed to it as it is practically available in such environment. Just as you said, government can't do anything about that but only the parents can by leaving the area to another environment that they desire.

Gambling is always what is practice around neighborhood that are not so much of rich background. Although rich people play gambling but they are mostly adults maybe because they new about it from the young age while they lived in not so rich level. But as to young people, they are mostly from the neighborhood that are middle class range.

Regarding change of environment, it helps a long way to change the behaviors of a kid or child. But, if the child doesn't change his school maybe still attends same school despite living on a different street. He'll most likely spend time with his gambling school mates. That's for a child who is not yet involved in online gambling. But, gamble locally with school friends. As for the class of gambling underage. It can't be certain, if it's rich or middle class. Getting influenced to gamble, has no limit. A child from a rich home can mingle with other kids in school to participate in local gambling. Like staking money over an argument. His pocket money can also cause him to gamble. A child with little or no money, may not gamble, because he's got what else to do with his money. Where your point is very valid, is about his home environment. The rich children are being watched by servants and also the compound they live don't get much traffics; visitors. Hence they may not be exposed to such influence. But, you forget they also go to school. Where different classes of students from unique environments come to learn and teach each other. If their elder sibling engage in online gambling, then that rich child is also in trouble. They are equipped with gadgets with internet access, added to their pocket money. I think the rich children are more exposed to chances of gambling like the other kids in the low class neighborhood. No matter where we are, the society still locates us. It's not as if, the rich kids don't have friends who stay in poor areas. They do, and most often the rich influence the poor with the gambling attitude. Like allowing the other kids watch them play online gambling. Thereby exposing them to a higher gambling activity. Other than the type I mention on the thread. Which happens anywhere; rich or poor neighborhood. Arguments must erupt.

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October 23, 2023, 11:50:07 PM
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It is not gambling which is being learned but taking the risk inspite of the consequences. Gambling comes second once or as the child grows up being aware of how money is being used. They won’t instantly know how gambling works if they won’t see anyone doing it. Even with cartoons they would indirectly see its concept then will eventually associate it with things such as with proving things and using a bet as a support to their claim, and so fort. It is a bad thing indeed but we just canot control every environment they would be exposed of; we just guide them on their way as they grow up. Learned things can be unlearned or remastered.

Then I can just add to what you said: it is important to correctly explain to children what gambling can do to someone who tries to do it. They may not even be aware of the effects of gambling on people's lives. But it is good that they have an idea that gambling is not good, especially for children who are not yet adults. We know that too.

Even if we are adults, there are others who are adults who believe that when gambling is done incorrectly, it also leads to bad results in the end, and most of them even develop addiction and even destroy personal relationships with family and other reasons. .  So what you mentioned is correct: they can be guided correctly as elders or their parents.

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October 24, 2023, 01:03:21 AM
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Back then in our community, kids didn't know about gambling until some other groups of people came and they introduced lots of varieties of games where you can bet your money. there was no internet back then and it would be a worse scenario if it happened today because there are no limits anymore and no one will gonna attempt to close them because it's not that easy to shut them down when they are online.

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Back then in our community, kids didn't know about gambling until some other groups of people came and they introduced lots of varieties of games where you can bet your money. there was no internet back then and it would be a worse scenario if it happened today because there are no limits anymore and no one will gonna attempt to close them because it's not that easy to shut them down when they are online.

I think back then, and as a kids we have a lot of imagine, but we really don't know if that is gambling per se. I mean we could be just sitting in our front porch and then just decided to play something and later on it could involved money. So that's how kids are back in the days.

But with the advent of internet and it grow in the last 20 years or so, it's very different atmosphere now. For sure those who grew up in the 90's-2000's knows that the difference now. So it's very hard to control our kids right now, they have their mobile phone and can simply play and gamble anytime they want without us parents knowing it.

 
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Addiction isn't hereditary like diabetics but the environment where they grew up is probably the factor that led them into that way.

Exactly. That is pretty accurate. Here in my country gambling is like a chronic  disease that requires ongoing medical attention. Kids even in elementary days were involved in it. They were influenced by nonresponsible gamblers that perform gambling in an open field just like cockfighting, cara y cruz, card games and etc.



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Having gambling advertisements everywhere and connected to popular faces or brands or sports legitimizes gambling subconsciously. It makes it socially acceptable.

Isn't it socially acceptable? I haven't seen gambling being attacked, or deemed unacceptable. To be honest, people treat unemployed people worse than they tread employed gamblers, at least where I live.

That's a good point, but please don't forget that I didn't mean to say it is turning something that is unaccepted into being accepted. I guess my wording was imprecise. But I was more referring to bringing something that is not particularly welcome to something that is really in, like fashionable. I am also not talking about grown up people who have some least minimum of life experiences and can make educated choices on their own. Although I have to say that I think those who are really badly addicted with social consequences presumably might be older rather than younger because they put more existential money on the line. But making something fashionable for brains that are still essentially under development can have negative long-term consequences. This is particularly true for alcohol and drugs and I never like to see 15 or 16 years old teenagers getting wasted till the state of unconsciousness and on top of that consume some hard drugs. It happens anyway, but it is also the time when the brain undergoes important development as to how it will function in the future, and perceiving gambling as something ordinary at a very young age doesn't sufficiently consider the true consequences the activity can have.

By the way I am not against gambling, but that doesn't mean I can't put some effort into thinking about how it works in the brains of different people. There are lots of folks gambling occasionally and using it perfectly fine as their method to find some rest and relaxation. The same way I wouldn't be against people smoking weed, it it's for the right purpose without insidiously damaging their brain.

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October 24, 2023, 09:29:27 AM
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Back then in our community, kids didn't know about gambling until some other groups of people came and they introduced lots of varieties of games where you can bet your money. there was no internet back then and it would be a worse scenario if it happened today because there are no limits anymore and no one will gonna attempt to close them because it's not that easy to shut them down when they are online.
At that time, the internet didn't exist, so children probably only paid attention to what people were doing. But as they get older, they make friends with different friends from different places. They are the ones who then introduce how to play gambling so that children who previously only considered gambling a normal thing become curious and want to try it with their friends. This can make them continue gambling at other times with other friends until they end up experiencing various problems after gambling.

Children easily imitate what adults do, so if they see how adults gamble, they will probably imitate their friends too. So you also need to pay attention to your interactions with friends so they don't try to gamble or do inappropriate things for their age.

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October 24, 2023, 11:12:23 PM
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Gambling goes back thousands of years. It is something that has become ingrained in many cultures. Passing laws to restrict it is not really going to change human behavior. Kids see gambling as a way to have fun and make some money. Even though they might be limited in legal gambling options they will still make bets amongst their friends. Online casinos might not have the ability to verify their customers' ages with full certainty so it is incumbent on their parents and guardians to monitor their activity and teach them responsibility.

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October 24, 2023, 11:29:17 PM
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I agree with you. Gambling behavior must be embodied in human genetics, passing from generation to generation. Of course there is always a trigger that will enable the individual to display this behavior, but it's already there, inside him.

A psychoanalytic theory from Carl Jung will say it's part of the collective unconscious, and that indeed, it's hereditary through phylogenetics.

The fact gambling exists since the beginning of human civilizations leaves no doubts it's already inserted in our biological system.

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October 24, 2023, 11:54:25 PM
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The Australian Government once said about abolishing gambling ads as a means of reducing gambling activities amongst underage people. But, I think they'll be no successful way of stopping young people from gambling.
The government will be successful in this. That is a right way to stop under age gambling. I do not know many of the crypto casinos but ever since I came to this forum, I have know many of them. So, since I have know many ways to gamble, I can do it at my convenient. Disconnect the children from the source of hazard and they will be fine.

As it's in them. Most articles here also say things like gambling addiction being hereditary.
I do not believe that gambling is hereditary. It is a social activity that is learn. A newly born innocent child has no idea what is gambling until it is taught him by the society, directly or indirectly.

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October 25, 2023, 02:48:15 PM
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As someone who started gambling at the age of 15, I don't believe that restricting gambling advertisements is successful in keeping young individuals and kids away from gambling. The reason for this is that, unfortunately, gambling can enter our lives for various reasons not just because of an advertisement we saw. For example, the circle of friends is a very important factor in acquiring the gambling habit and this was the biggest factor in my turning to sports betting at a young age (almost kid). On the other hand, physical betting offices and physical casinos especially within the country can cause many young individuals to show interest in gambling. Especially, with the abuse of legal age restrictions by the staff of such businesses many people can easily access gambling and acquire the gambling habit. For this reason, I definitely don't think that restricting or blocking gambling ads is the only solution. Nowadays, when it is possible to acquire gambling habits due to many different reasons, restricting or completely banning gambling advertisements can only lead to a very small percentage of young people and kids turning to gambling. Unfortunately, it isn't possible to find a complete solution to this situation.
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October 25, 2023, 03:17:37 PM
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The Australian Government once said about abolishing gambling ads as a means of reducing gambling activities amongst underage people. But, I think they'll be no successful way of stopping young people from gambling. As it's in them. Most articles here also say things like gambling addiction being hereditary. That means gambling can be hereditary as well. Because I just watched from a distant two kids below 10 years, staking bets, after a long argument about who the artiste of a specific song is. They later staked close to 40 cents each, for the person who gets the answer right. Then they went ahead to verify. And I lost sight of them. I thought about, how come or who thought these kids about betting money during a long argument. I was able to memorize, back when I was a kid. We easily said, how much would you bet if it turns out I'm saying the truth; during an argument. It made me understand that, despite during those days we had no phones or access to the internet, gambling is somehow embedded to the brain of humans. Then, as a child, we weren't exposed to gambling. I could only remember of lotto, as a kid. But we still said things like "let's bet it"

There are a lot of advertisements scattered about gambling nowadays so don't be surprised, even small children now understand about gambling. Apart from that, I am also quite sure that there are many small children who see adults in their family gambling, this also triggers them curious about what is called gambling, it is difficult to make young children completely avoid gambling, all we can do is educate them about the dangers of gambling at an early age.

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