Having Trouble With Electrum Wallet Recovery

[satscraper]

I change my computer and tried to recover the electrum wallet with the seed, followed the instructions and.... the wallet is empty.
Any idea what's going on?

Just my guess.

The wallet you have tried to restore   might be a 2FA type. If this is a case then restoring it just from SEED will result in getting  completely different addresses.

Thus, try  to restore  your wallet  by  selecting "Wallet with two-factor authentication" and check the result:

[hosseinimr93]

The wallet you have tried to restore   might be a 2FA type. If this is a case then restoring it just from SEED will result in getting  completely different addresses.

This is not possible.
You can't generate a standard wallet using a seed phrase that has been generated for a 2FA wallet. Once you enter a 2FA seed phrase, electrum displays a message saying that the seed type is 2FA.

Take note that any electrum's seed phrase contains a version number which makes the seed phrase generate only one type of wallet.

[Charles-Tim]

You can't generate a standard wallet using a seed phrase that has been generated for a 2FA wallet. Once you enter a 2FA seed phrase, electrum displays a message saying that the seed type is 2FA.

Take note that any electrum's seed phrase contains a version number which makes the seed phrase generate only one type of wallet.

This is definitely correct. But not a message that the seed phrase is for 2FA, but to 2FA recovery page to either enable or disable the 2FA. Which means the person that wants to recover the wallet can proceed directly to restore the 2FA wallet, despite on that he clicked on standard wallet.

[hosseinimr93]

This is definitely correct. But not a message that the seed phrase is for 2FA, but to 2FA recovery page to either enable or disable the 2FA.

Right. Electrum allows your to recover your 2FA wallet, even if you have selected "Standard wallet" in the "Create new wallet" window and after you click on "Next", you will be able to choose between keeping and disabling 2FA.

But I was referring to the message displayed below the seed phrase box after entering a 2FA seed phrase.

[satscraper]

The wallet you have tried to restore   might be a 2FA type. If this is a case then restoring it just from SEED will result in getting  completely different addresses.

This is not possible.
You can't generate a standard wallet using a seed phrase that has been generated for a 2FA wallet. Once you enter a 2FA seed phrase, electrum displays a message saying that the seed type is 2FA.

Take note that any electrum's seed phrase contains a version number which makes the seed phrase generate only one type of wallet.

Thanks for contribution into my knowledge regarding the use of Electrum.

In fact that was solely my assumption aiming to help OP with his problem.

 I  stick hard to Sparrow and use Electrum on a rare cases. That is why I has assumed that 2FA   SEED can be used to generate ordinary (not-2FA) wallet.  

[rocnogu]

I change my computer and tried to recover the electrum wallet with the seed, followed the instructions and.... the wallet is empty.
Any idea what's going on?

Just my guess.

The wallet you have tried to restore   might be a 2FA type. If this is a case then restoring it just from SEED will result in getting  completely different addresses.

Thus, try  to restore  your wallet  by  selecting "Wallet with two-factor authentication" and check the result:

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/10/21/TwDnD.png

Looks like you have entered a valid seed of type 'segwit' but this dialog does not support such seeds. If unsure, try restoring as 'Standard wallet'.

[rocnogu]

So, I tried to restore the wallet file from the drive, but it's gone. It's nothing there.
I guess, this is it.

Electrum proves as garbage tho.
I was thinking, I can't personally do it, but nothing stops a good programmer to automate wallet creations with random seeds and get random wallets till find one with something inside and just take it.
Since all he has to do is have a valid seed.

There are no profiles in electrum, I assume and no way to get my coins back!

[satscraper]

nothing stops a good programmer to automate wallet creations with random seeds and get random wallets till find one with something inside and just take it.

Nope, there is one factor that will stop him and this  is a time. The number of guesses he should face to get the correct SEED (2048^12 for 12-words seed and 2048^24 for 24 words) is too big for any realistic computational power even if it were proceed with the task during the lifetime of the whole Universe.
      

[hosseinimr93]

So, I tried to restore the wallet file from the drive, but it's gone. It's nothing there.

What do you mean by it's gone? Do you see any outgoing transaction?
If that's the case and you didn't make the outgoing transaction, it means that you used a fake version of electrum or your device was compromised. It's also possible that someone had access to your seed phrase. An electrum's seed phrase provides 132 bits of entropy and as mentioned above by satscraper, that's secure enough.

[khaled0111]

So, I tried to restore the wallet file from the drive, but it's gone. It's nothing there.
I guess, this is it.

Do you mean you can't see the wallet file on the old hdd? If yes then maybe you have accedently deleted it! Try using a good file recovery software and maybe you will get lucky and recover it.

Electrum proves as garbage tho.

I beg to differ. Electrum is probably one of the most secure SPV wallets out there. Keeping the seed safe and secure is the responsibility of the user.

[nc50lc]

Electrum proves as garbage tho.
I was thinking, I can't personally do it, but nothing stops a good programmer to automate wallet creations with random seeds and get random wallets till find one with something inside and just take it.
Since all he has to do is have a valid seed.

Yeah, so as all wallets that use mnemonic phrase backup, this isn't just a problem with Electrum. (Bitcoin Core doesn't use mnemonic)
All the programmer has to do is to wait for his script to find a hit within the 2048^12 range of word combinations, maybe after 5trillion years.

There are no profiles in electrum, I assume and no way to get my coins back!

There are profiles (core developers) who are working on Electrum's development here: https://github.com/orgs/spesmilo/people
But they do not have access to every Electrum user's funds, users' master keys are locally saved in the individual's own drive.
There's source code that you may audit to see if it's really the case: https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum

[Abdussamad]

Have you compared the addresses in the restored wallet with addresses from the original wallet? Do the addresses begin with the same letters?

You can see all the addresses by going to view menu > check addresses and switch to addresses tab.

[Z-tight]

Electrum proves as garbage tho.

I don't know what exactly happened to your wallet, and it is normal when people lose funds because we cannot know how many means of possible attacks your device was exposed to. Take note that Electrum is a well reviewed and recommended wallet, but you also have to ensure you download the right Electrum, use it in a safe enviroment and store your backups safely, if you don't do that and lose your funds, it has nothing to do with Electrum. If you have other coins in different wallets, i believe now is the right time to start learning about opsec and how to keep your money in a very safe enviroment.

[Zaguru12]

Electrum proves as garbage tho.

I don't know what exactly happened to your wallet, and it is normal when people lose funds because we cannot know how many means of possible attacks your device was exposed to. Take note that Electrum is a well reviewed and recommended wallet, but you also have to ensure you download the right Electrum, use it in a safe enviroment and store your backups safely, if you don't do that and lose your funds, it has nothing to do with Electrum. If you have other coins in different wallets, i believe now is the right time to start learning about opsec and how to keep your money in a very safe enviroment.

I don’t think this whole case of OP has actually anything to do with a restoration of a wrong wallet as we all are guessing, other members have even said he should present the old receiving address or check it using the explorer to check if there are funds actually there, although it would hamper his privacy but in cases like this you can later change your wallet. But OP keeps shying away from this and blames electrum. My biggest guess is the funds were moved to a different address and wallet, if at all the addresses of the wallet OP is get after restoration and the old addresses are the same. And if it is electrum that is not restoring the right wallet which I strongly doubt can ever happen then OP should confirm the details of that address on a block explorer. Although it is frustrating to lose one’s funds but you can’t blame a system that holds multiple of those funds for years with back door

[rocnogu]

Electrum proves as garbage tho.

I don't know what exactly happened to your wallet, and it is normal when people lose funds because we cannot know how many means of possible attacks your device was exposed to. Take note that Electrum is a well reviewed and recommended wallet, but you also have to ensure you download the right Electrum, use it in a safe enviroment and store your backups safely, if you don't do that and lose your funds, it has nothing to do with Electrum. If you have other coins in different wallets, i believe now is the right time to start learning about opsec and how to keep your money in a very safe enviroment.

Electrum is a well reviewed and recommended wallet, loosing my funds.
Blame it on the user.
This sounds like a religion.
I suffer, because my faith is not strong enough!

Electrum is garbage. It doesn't do the one thing it is created to do.

Electrum proves as garbage tho.

I don't know what exactly happened to your wallet, and it is normal when people lose funds because we cannot know how many means of possible attacks your device was exposed to. Take note that Electrum is a well reviewed and recommended wallet, but you also have to ensure you download the right Electrum, use it in a safe enviroment and store your backups safely, if you don't do that and lose your funds, it has nothing to do with Electrum. If you have other coins in different wallets, i believe now is the right time to start learning about opsec and how to keep your money in a very safe enviroment.

I don’t think this whole case of OP has actually anything to do with a restoration of a wrong wallet as we all are guessing, other members have even said he should present the old receiving address or check it using the explorer to check if there are funds actually there, although it would hamper his privacy but in cases like this you can later change your wallet. But OP keeps shying away from this and blames electrum. My biggest guess is the funds were moved to a different address and wallet, if at all the addresses of the wallet OP is get after restoration and the old addresses are the same. And if it is electrum that is not restoring the right wallet which I strongly doubt can ever happen then OP should confirm the details of that address on a block explorer. Although it is frustrating to lose one’s funds but you can’t blame a system that holds multiple of those funds for years with back door

To all this, I can say just few words: OceanGate, FTX, Theranos, Wirecard and Enron
With just a bit googling I found out a lot of people having problem with Electrum and disappearing funds.

Listen, child, you either want to help or you are just babbling around for who knows what reason.
WTF is a  block explorer?
Why would you assume everyone knows WTF is going on and how to work with these things.

[Z-tight]

Blame it on the user.
...
Electrum is garbage. It doesn't do the one thing it is created to do.

Electrum is open source and you can review the code and verify how the keys were generated, if there was a vulnerability in Electrum, the community would know very quickly. Take note that when you use Electrum wallet, your keys and seed phrase is stored locally in your wallet file and encrypted with a password, if you use your device is an online and unsafe enviroment and lose your funds, it has nothing to do with Electrum, but your opsec. Electrum do not store users' keys or seed phrase.

With just a bit googling I found out a lot of people having problem with Electrum and disappearing funds.

There was a vulnerability that was exploited in Electrum in the past, but all of that has been patched, i believe that is what you are talking about. Being sour and trolling like you are doing now wouldn't help you recover your funds, it is better to learn about better security practices so that it won't happen again.

[Pmalek]

Listen, child, you either want to help or you are just babbling around for who knows what reason.
WTF is a  block explorer?
Why would you assume everyone knows WTF is going on and how to work with these things.

Listen fuckface, no one here is obliged to help you in any way. They do it out of their own goodwill. If you can't respect that, take your problems elsewhere. If you show respect and humility, you get the same back. If you refer to people who are trying to help you as "child", then you should get shit.

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about or what you did, and that's why you are here. You don't know what a block explorer is, what a seed is, or how Electrum works. According to you, it's someone else's fault.

[khaled0111]

To all this, I can say just few words: OceanGate, FTX, Theranos, Wirecard and Enron
With just a bit googling I found out a lot of people having problem with Electrum and disappearing funds.

Listen, child, you either want to help or you are just babbling around for who knows what reason.
WTF is a  block explorer?
Why would you assume everyone knows WTF is going on and how to work with these things.

He was trying to help. So, at least show some respect even he wasn't able to solve your problem.
Sorry, but if you are dealing with cryptocurrencies and you don't even know what a blockexplorers is then I don't know how we can help you!
Stop blaming Electrum for your own.. mistakes.

[rocnogu]

Yeah, the way people react, then being cunts and get same behavior in return.
"Surprised Pikachu face"

Helping doesn't give the right to be a cunt.
Cockwomble i believe is the word.

My mistake is that I trust some retarded app.
Now, I am trying to fix that mistake.
The fact that you people expect everyone using electrum to be an expert in electrum is enough proof of the toxic autistic environment.

Now, it's a different question why some retarded cunt would get offended from criticizing some third side app.
This is some woke level of bullshit, that as a normal human I can't relate to.
So, KARENs, you either try to help because of some virtues, or you are just being a cunt.


If you are not a retarded autistic woke cockwomble idiot cunt, please do help me to understand and maybe restore the wallet.
If not, well, we know what you are. And I am obviously ignoring all of those in the future.

For fuck's sake, the very fact that I have to do this now, is something.

[rocnogu]

Blame it on the user.
...
Electrum is garbage. It doesn't do the one thing it is created to do.

Electrum is open source and you can review the code and verify how the keys were generated, if there was a vulnerability in Electrum, the community would know very quickly. Take note that when you use Electrum wallet, your keys and seed phrase is stored locally in your wallet file and encrypted with a password, if you use your device is an online and unsafe enviroment and lose your funds, it has nothing to do with Electrum, but your opsec. Electrum do not store users' keys or seed phrase.

There was a vulnerability that was exploited in Electrum in the past, but all of that has been patched, i believe that is what you are talking about. Being sour and trolling like you are doing now wouldn't help you recover your funds, it is better to learn about better security practices so that it won't happen again.

Well, yes. One of the new practices is not to use such craps as Electrum.
I think you have waaaaaay too good opinion about the community. This is why I said: OceanGate, FTX, Theranos, Wirecard and Enron.
The community thought that all of those are good ideas working perfectly, till... well, google it.
 Again, since I can restore ANY seed, what stops some people from stealing funds?

And again, I do have the right seed. No idea what could go wrong.

Anyhow, I have the TxID, Address, basically all the info for the transaction. I manage to do some "watching only" wallet and I can see the funds.
Is there a way to restore wallet based on this data, assuming I have the wrong seed?
Way to get the right seed? Anything?