how businesses swindle the minimum wage employee

[Plaguedeath]

Third world is different a lot of it is fuck you starve stay poor no opportunities.
I lived in Philippines when I was in the US Navy so I saw lots of hard difficulty poor people have.

They had poor options and little money or ability to get good quality  items

Yep, at least you can survive in first world or you can buy live paycheck to paycheck if you're someone who like to spend your money.

While in third world your choice is only to survive and sometime it's not enough even you've a full time job. There are lack of good job and even more entry job is really hard to get because there are a lot unemployment. If a poor people didn't want to be a slave, how can they survive if they don't have a good capital to start a business? they also don't have a good device or PC, how they can become a freelancer?

I am certain that being silent or not having an opinion is worse. Bad things shouldnt be treated as normal.

Are you always stand up when people treat you unfair?

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[slapper]

Oh, my! This is a classic example right? Businesses always find methods to extract every ounce of productivity from their employees without paying them appropriately. It's not right, not right at all! Your friend's circumstance shows how the system may exploit the weak

Break it down. Math is clear. He should be paid for 8:45–6:15 work hours. The end. Those breaks... if he can't leave, are they really breaks? More like a pause. And a pause isn't the same as free time

And then: fuel, washing, lunch - it adds up. It's his money, not the company's. Like taking a chunk of his money without him knowing. Sneaky, very sneaky

People, if you're giving a firm your time, be sure they're compensating you. The hours you spend tere, not just on paper. Only fair. If they won't, find a place that will. Remember that your time is valuable and deserves compensation

[franky1]

Oh, my! This is a classic example right? Businesses always find methods to extract every ounce of productivity from their employees without paying them appropriately. It's not right, not right at all! Your friend's circumstance shows how the system may exploit the weak

i agree its very common for businesses to do this. if it was not there would be no need for unions, strikes or protests..

however the point is the lowest paid people think they are winning, getting a bonus, benefits from accepting such conditions. so much so they artificually inflate the value to make it seem like they are getting a good deal. when in reality, the maths shows they are treated as slaves

luckily i have not needed to work for many years thanks to bitcoin. but when i hear stories of the lowest paid people hyping up their position, they need a reality check and realise they should demand more from their employer, just to get the legal minimum

[sana54210]

Third world is different a lot of it is fuck you starve stay poor no opportunities.
I lived in Philippines when I was in the US Navy so I saw lots of hard difficulty poor people have.

They had poor options and little money or ability to get good quality  items

Yep, at least you can survive in first world or you can buy live paycheck to paycheck if you're someone who like to spend your money.

While in third world your choice is only to survive and sometime it's not enough even you've a full time job. There are lack of good job and even more entry job is really hard to get because there are a lot unemployment. If a poor people didn't want to be a slave, how can they survive if they don't have a good capital to start a business? they also don't have a good device or PC, how they can become a freelancer?

I do agree that it's not going to be something that would benefit you on the long run we shouldn't really consider that as "optional" when it comes to third world  nations. As someone who lives in not so rich nation, I could say that it's not even lack of jobs, it's about the average salary of a person in that nation, even doctors do not make as much as high school kids in the USA, and that's the difference and that's causing the biggest trouble.

I get that it may not cause that much trouble for the time being because they live according to the costs of that nation as well, but that's a different aspect, you live good compared to your fellow citizens, but you are not living that good compared to other people in other nations, richer nations.

[Lanatsa]

Third world is different a lot of it is fuck you starve stay poor no opportunities.
I lived in Philippines when I was in the US Navy so I saw lots of hard difficulty poor people have.

They had poor options and little money or ability to get good quality  items

Yep, at least you can survive in first world or you can buy live paycheck to paycheck if you're someone who like to spend your money.

While in third world your choice is only to survive and sometime it's not enough even you've a full time job. There are lack of good job and even more entry job is really hard to get because there are a lot unemployment. If a poor people didn't want to be a slave, how can they survive if they don't have a good capital to start a business? they also don't have a good device or PC, how they can become a freelancer?

I do agree that it's not going to be something that would benefit you on the long run we shouldn't really consider that as "optional" when it comes to third world  nations. As someone who lives in not so rich nation, I could say that it's not even lack of jobs, it's about the average salary of a person in that nation, even doctors do not make as much as high school kids in the USA, and that's the difference and that's causing the biggest trouble.

I get that it may not cause that much trouble for the time being because they live according to the costs of that nation as well, but that's a different aspect, you live good compared to your fellow citizens, but you are not living that good compared to other people in other nations, richer nations.

Well thats something that do talks about reality and we know that there's really that thing that we called "Balance" on which if there's Rich people then there are poor ones. Even if you do live on a rich country but if you are still having no job or not really that earning that much then you would really be still considering to be poor. It doesnt always reflect out totally that if you do live into those rich countries then you are also rich as a citizen, you would really be still needing to make your ass do all the hard work on making yourself or life to be that progressive and not something that would really be talking about just stagnant and completely making no acions.

You wont really be that making yourself that progressive if you would really be just contented on what you do have.Its true that economical factors and other things could really affect out the overall struggles and
challenges that you might encounter along the way. Its never been simply as an average minimum wage earner, if you dont work then there's no pay and if there's no pay
then surviving would really be questionable and this is indeed the reality.

[DeathAngel]

This is the reality for many people, it is what it is. I guess if you don’t like it then change career or go back to school. Take control of what you can control, there is no point moaning about something & then doing nothing about it. There will always be somebody to do those type of jobs so if you don’t like it, get up off your ass & better yourself.

[DrBeer]

Oh, my! This is a classic example right? Businesses always find methods to extract every ounce of productivity from their employees without paying them appropriately. It's not right, not right at all! Your friend's circumstance shows how the system may exploit the weak

Break it down. Math is clear. He should be paid for 8:45–6:15 work hours. The end. Those breaks... if he can't leave, are they really breaks? More like a pause. And a pause isn't the same as free time

And then: fuel, washing, lunch - it adds up. It's his money, not the company's. Like taking a chunk of his money without him knowing. Sneaky, very sneaky

People, if you're giving a firm your time, be sure they're compensating you. The hours you spend tere, not just on paper. Only fair. If they won't, find a place that will. Remember that your time is valuable and deserves compensation

I'll ask a simple question - who forced this man to take this job?
I will answer it myself, but it will be interesting to hear alternative opinions.
1. The person has limited abilities, and he can only do this job, and he is forced to agree to the conditions.
2. A person does not want to look for a more difficult job, to work hard, to learn something new, and he is satisfied with this arrangement.
3. The situation in his neighborhood/city/region/country is like this - the crisis and there is no other work, even for a highly qualified specialist.
Conclusions:
1. these are his problems
2. these are his problems
3. change the situation - neighborhood, city, region, or even country

Your opinion ?

[AmoreJaz]

This is the reality for many people, it is what it is. I guess if you don’t like it then change career or go back to school. Take control of what you can control, there is no point moaning about something & then doing nothing about it. There will always be somebody to do those type of jobs so if you don’t like it, get up off your ass & better yourself.

very well-said. if you don't like to be controlled by this kind of situation, improve yourself, knowledge, skills or whatever is needed to get out of your current situation. it is on your hands how you will change your path.
but if you will just complain and do nothing about it, you won't go anywhere.

[barisbilgili]

This is the reality for many people, it is what it is. I guess if you don’t like it then change career or go back to school. Take control of what you can control, there is no point moaning about something & then doing nothing about it. There will always be somebody to do those type of jobs so if you don’t like it, get up off your ass & better yourself.

Complaining about the minimum wage we get from the work we do will not make the income we get increase by itself, we need to make efforts on our part to develop our existing potential, it would be better because by having some skills and knowledge, of course we can find work according to our needs. the abilities we have and also with more income.

very well-said. if you don't like to be controlled by this kind of situation, improve yourself, knowledge, skills or whatever is needed to get out of your current situation. it is on your hands how you will change your path.
but if you will just complain and do nothing about it, you won't go anywhere.

Those who get the minimum wage for the work they do, I think, is work that can be easily done by most people, so if they don't accept the wage offered, the person giving the job will look for someone else who is willing to work for the wage they offer.

[Darker45]

Unfortunately, this kind of oppressive setup is rampant where I'm from. And rather than complaining and be furious about it, workers have grown accustomed to it. That's, after all, the setup everywhere. And so it has become common and acceptable.

As a matter of fact, what OP has shared is a toned down version of the, shall we say, inhumane situation here. A store, for example, pays below the minimum wage. A worker, say, a cashier, will have to be there at least 30 minutes to an hour earlier. The store closes at 5 in the afternoon, but the worker will spend another hour or two doing all kinds of works in the store.

Add to this the severe traffic congestion in many cities here as well as the poor public transportation. Everything considered, the worker will have to wake up as early as 4 in the morning and could go home as late as 12 midnight.

And this is openly allowed by our inutile government.

[slapper]

~snip~

Well thats something that do talks about reality and we know that there's really that thing that we called "Balance" on which if there's Rich people then there are poor ones. Even if you do live on a rich country but if you are still having no job or not really that earning that much then you would really be still considering to be poor. It doesnt always reflect out totally that if you do live into those rich countries then you are also rich as a citizen, you would really be still needing to make your ass do all the hard work on making yourself or life to be that progressive and not something that would really be talking about just stagnant and completely making no acions.

You wont really be that making yourself that progressive if you would really be just contented on what you do have.Its true that economical factors and other things could really affect out the overall struggles and
challenges that you might encounter along the way. Its never been simply as an average minimum wage earner, if you dont work then there's no pay and if there's no pay
then surviving would really be questionable and this is indeed the reality.

Reality, reality, reality... It's not always easy to take, is it? As you correctly stated, balance is the name of the game. Rich countries, poor countries, rich people, poor people... it's all part of the grand scheme of things. But, just because you live in a wealthy nation does not imply you're flush with cash. No, no, and no! It does not function that way

You must work, work, and then work again. And not just any work, but hard work. If you're not earning, you're not progressing. And if you're not progressing, you're stagnant. Stagnant is extremely negative. You cannot expect things to change by doing nothing. No, gentleman! You must cause things to occur

Economic factors, obstacles, and conflicts are all a part of the voyage. However, if you do not perform, you will not be paid. And if there is no pay, survival becomes an enormous problem. This is the truth, the undeniable truth. Therefore, roll up your sleeves and enter the world of laborious work. It is the only way, the only way, to genuinely advance and flourish

[el kaka22]

To be fair that depends on where you live, because 10 euro per hour in my nation would be insane income, I am doing something similar give or take and I am quite happy about the result, it is really great. However, if you work 10 hours a day, at 10 euro an hour, that would be 100, and that would be 3000 euro and that is MUCH more than what I make and that would be like living like kings in my nation.

However, I understand the logic, there are people working for nearly 10-15 dollars a whole day here, and even in that situation yes you are right that when you calculate all the spending we have towards the work, it doesn't really end up with anything profitable for you, you end up working for a lot less than what you are told.

[pixie85]

i say to him in those unpaid breaks does he have enough FREE time to exit the business and do some personal chores unrestricted. he says no, he has to be in the vicinity of the workplace because he will get penalised if late back from lunch and the 15min breaks are not enough time to go anywhere personally without guaranteed penalty

My friend worked for a software company and they had no scheduled breaks at all.

There was a card reader at the door of the floor he worked on and the only thing there was on that floor was the bathroom and a smoking room. If you wanted to take lunch break or go outside, even to the parking lot to take something from the car, you had to use the card and they'd count how long you were outside of your working area and that time would be subtracted from your paycheck, unless you stayed after hours.

It was a common thing for people working there to take a break and then stay an hour longer.

[Mahanton]

To be fair that depends on where you live, because 10 euro per hour in my nation would be insane income, I am doing something similar give or take and I am quite happy about the result, it is really great. However, if you work 10 hours a day, at 10 euro an hour, that would be 100, and that would be 3000 euro and that is MUCH more than what I make and that would be like living like kings in my nation.

However, I understand the logic, there are people working for nearly 10-15 dollars a whole day here, and even in that situation yes you are right that when you calculate all the spending we have towards the work, it doesn't really end up with anything profitable for you, you end up working for a lot less than what you are told.

We know that each country does have their own different living standards or lets say that economic value in regarding on the fiat that they are using.It is really just that normal that there would really be some huge differences when it comes to conversion.If we do really tend to reflect out on how much to those people who are working with those basic jobs and their per hour rates and comparing it into those who do have minimum fix salary on 3rd world countries then it would really be having that kind of significant differences and its true that if earning 10 euro per hour then i would really be also living like a king here in our place but
we are really just that earning the lesser amount on which it is really that in fact the reality.

Economic situations does really vary on each places, the way of living, the cost or expense on whatever surrounds you. Its never been that simple for everyone which it might be looking good in numbers
but the way of living on a certain place would really be costly if you do tend to make up some comparison on which means that it would really be just entirely be the same situation
in between those people who do have their day job. They do differ in rates but the same situation which we are really that struggling on day to day living.
Therefore, finding alternatives will really be just that our solution on things.

[macson]

This is the reality for many people, it is what it is. I guess if you don’t like it then change career or go back to school. Take control of what you can control, there is no point moaning about something & then doing nothing about it. There will always be somebody to do those type of jobs so if you don’t like it, get up off your ass & better yourself.

The points you give are very correct here, it cannot be denied that in jobs that we don't like, there will always be someone who replaces us to do it, yes, that's very natural, so don't ever complain about whatever job you are currently doing.  Since we started school, we have been prepared to choose whatever we want, therefore when we grow up, we must be able to choose a job that is suitable for us, we can't do anything after we grow up and can only regret all the decisions we have made at the beginning.

[jrrsparkles]

Demand for work force is low whereas the availability of workers is high which forces workers to comply with the unfair terms of their employer or they can sit back at their homes with no pay at all. Government policies also favor the employers of most nations because they are the one who is behind the economies of every country and very few countries respect both parties and have decent policies.

Apart from that, we can't demand anything from the upper class and this is the era of modern-day slavery.

[flyingcarpet]

Demand for work force is low whereas the availability of workers is high which forces workers to comply with the unfair terms of their employer or they can sit back at their homes with no pay at all. Government policies also favor the employers of most nations because they are the one who is behind the economies of every country and very few countries respect both parties and have decent policies.

Apart from that, we can't demand anything from the upper class and this is the era of modern-day slavery.

It is a crime of state policy that many people have to work due to financial difficulties and that working conditions in workplaces are not good. If the state were working to protect its people, no employer could deprive its employees of their rights.

Employers are generally protected by states because they create employment. There is a common belief that it is better for a person to be paid less than not to work. I do not agree with this opinion.

Modern slavery is becoming more common day by day and no precautions are taken against it.

[Captain Corporate]

This is why there isn't really a "per hour" mindset in Turkey. We have monthly minimum wage, and a legal weekly work hour mandate. Not that its not broken, its 40 hours a week, meaning 5 times a week you go to work for 8 hours a day, that's the normal law but obviously just like anywhere else in the world, most bosses wants you to stay longer. However, it allows you to know how much you make per month beforehand, and not per hour system. This allows you to put all the time you consider travel to work as your job description as well, calculate the monthly that way and not hourly, which makes it a little bit easier for everyone involved with the work and seems to be working fine for all of us.

[jrrsparkles]

Demand for work force is low whereas the availability of workers is high which forces workers to comply with the unfair terms of their employer or they can sit back at their homes with no pay at all. Government policies also favor the employers of most nations because they are the one who is behind the economies of every country and very few countries respect both parties and have decent policies.

Apart from that, we can't demand anything from the upper class and this is the era of modern-day slavery.

It is a crime of state policy that many people have to work due to financial difficulties and that working conditions in workplaces are not good. If the state were working to protect its people, no employer could deprive its employees of their rights.

Employers are generally protected by states because they create employment. There is a common belief that it is better for a person to be paid less than not to work. I do not agree with this opinion.

Modern slavery is becoming more common day by day and no precautions are taken against it.

Welcome to reality, as long as the same people remain in the status of policy-making we can't expect anything different from the current situation. As I said we can demand and raise our voices but I don't think governments will be interested in any of their people's opinion over the rich members who is behind the economies.

It doesn't mean I am supporting this but all I am saying this is the reality and we can't do much about it.

[CODE200]

imagining being told your life was only worth £$10 an hour

And here is where you lost the crowd franky!!!

I'm really curious about the percentage of people who would start taking navigation courses and sail over 7 seas for that! Oh, screw that, look at the millions flooding Europe for even less than that, risking their life and leaving their families behind all for far less than that.
Redo the math for someone in the garment industry in Bangladesh or Vietnam, and then, when you ask if your entire life is worth $1000 you will realize the full meaning of "First World problem".

so folks. the gist is.. if a business requires you to be away from home and performing activities that benefit them from 8:45-6:15 make sure they pay you for all of that time ESPECIALLY if its minimum wage

Grabbing popcorn and waiting for how this will turn for most of the users here, immediately after they hear they were supposed to have more than a 5-minute break during their 12-hour shift.

he tells me he spends about £$2 in fuel per day

Hmm, some of the largest communities here, Pakistan   29 motor vehicles/1000 people,  India 59, Nigeria 61.....United Kingdom 600.
First World problem!!!!  

Third world is different a lot of it is fuck you starve stay poor no opportunities.
I lived in Philippines when I was in the US Navy so I saw lots of hard difficulty poor people have.

They had poor options and little money or ability to get good quality  items

This is true. Living in a third world country is really different, and if we try to compare the minimum wage of the advanced countries to the developing countries, we can really observe a huge gap between the two. And what's more saddening about this is that the salary of a minimum wage earner is not enough to sustain their life and their families because of the good and services are also high because of the inflation. Even people who have finished their college and acquired their degrees, who are considered to be professionals are still earning a meager salary. Not only that, but there are also less opportunities for people living in the third world country. Also, what's more frustrating about this is that companies and businesses are setting a high standard when choosing an employee. High standards, an immense amount of work, and a meager salary. This is something that all workers and labors in third world countries are facing. And I think that there should be laws about this matter to protect our workers, and so that they were able to get salary which is equivalent to the work that they do.