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[o_e_l_e_o]

Tell me why people send coins to burn addresses such as 1111111111111111111114oLvT2? Tell me why people send coin to the genesis block public key? Tell me why people burn coins with OP_RETURN outputs? Tell me why people trade their bitcoin for worthless shitcoins? Tell me why anybody would throw a coin in a well to "make a wish"? Tell me why people throw over a million euros in to the Trevi Fountain each year?

As I've already explained to you, Samourai quite clearly displays the change output prior to Tx0 being signed. If a user does not want to create that change output, then they are free to modify the transaction. People are also free to do with their money whatever they want. They do not need permission from you, Wasabi, or any other pro-censorship third party to do so.

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[Kruw]

Tell me why people send coins to burn addresses such as 1111111111111111111114oLvT2? Tell me why people send coin to the genesis block public key? Tell me why people burn coins with OP_RETURN outputs? Tell me why people trade their bitcoin for worthless shitcoins? Tell me why anybody would throw a coin in a well to "make a wish"? Tell me why people throw over a million euros in to the Trevi Fountain each year?

As I've already explained to you, Samourai quite clearly displays the change output prior to Tx0 being signed. If a user does not want to create that change output, then they are free to modify the transaction. People are also free to do with their money whatever they want. They do not need permission from you, Wasabi, or any other pro-censorship third party to do so.

If Samourai Wallet quite clearly displayed sending coins to 1111111111111111111114oLvT2 in a tx0 transaction, would you consider it "not a bug" and just say that "people are free to do with their money whatever they want"?  Since you can't come up with a use case for these burn outputs being created from Whirlpool, I think I've proven my point that this is a bug and no one would ever do something so stupid deliberately.

[o_e_l_e_o]

If Samourai Wallet quite clearly displayed sending coins to 1111111111111111111114oLvT2 in a tx0 transaction, would you consider it "not a bug" and just say that "people are free to do with their money whatever they want"?

That would clearly be a bug since the user in question does not control that address.

Since you can't come up with a use case for these burn outputs being created from Whirlpool, I think I've proven my point that this is a bug and no one would ever do something so stupid deliberately.

You have completely missed the point, as usual. I don't care why people create such outputs - I'm not the one judging other people for using their money in the way they choose to use it. I'm not the one trying to apply my rules to everyone else, and censor those I do not agree with. If people want to do something you deem "stupid" with their money, then they should be completely free to do so. I think NFTs are stupid, but people should be absolutely free to spend their bitcoin on NFTs if that's what they want to do.

[Kruw]

You have completely missed the point, as usual. I don't care why people create such outputs - I'm not the one judging other people for using their money in the way they choose to use it. I'm not the one trying to apply my rules to everyone else, and censor those I do not agree with. If people want to do something you deem "stupid" with their money, then they should be completely free to do so. I think NFTs are stupid, but people should be absolutely free to spend their bitcoin on NFTs if that's what they want to do.

That's exactly my point:  Unlike NFTs which are merely "stupid", there is no use case at all for creating this dust output in Samourai.  It's pure downside to the user from every aspect (as well as a downside to all of the other users of Bitcoin who now have to compete for less available block space).

[Kruw]

More outrage from the Samourai community about the creation of unmixed change: https://twitter.com/ErgoBTC/status/1181573118810361856

Unmixed change is radioactive waste with an infinite half life.

It points to every mix you have participated in.

This is strictly worse for privacy.

The solution isn't coin control and a warning label.

The solution is not creating it in the first place. #RootCauseAnalysis

[Medusah]

If Samourai Wallet quite clearly displayed sending coins to 1111111111111111111114oLvT2 in a tx0 transaction, would you consider it "not a bug" and just say that "people are free to do with their money whatever they want"?

In regular wallets, you can create an output that is worth less than the mining fees required to spend it.  That is generally allowed.  Maybe not in Wasabi land, but in electrum, sparrow, samurai etc, it is allowed.  That does not mean it is smart to do it, but it gives you the freedom to do whatever you like with your money.

[Kruw]

In regular wallets, you can create an output that is worth less than the mining fees required to spend it.  That is generally allowed.  Maybe not in Wasabi land, but in electrum, sparrow, samurai etc, it is allowed.  That does not mean it is smart to do it, but it gives you the freedom to do whatever you like with your money.

I heard you the first time:

No.  Good wallets give you the freedom to do as you like.  There are infinite ways for the user to mess things up if they choose to do so, the wallet cannot prevent you from every.  For example, paying unnecessarily high fees is (and should be) allowed.

I guess I can't argue against someone who takes the stance "Wasting your Bitcoin and ruining your privacy should be allowed."

[o_e_l_e_o]

That does not mean it is smart to do it, but it gives you the freedom to do whatever you like with your money.

No no no, you've got it all wrong. Every bitcoin transaction should be ran past Kruw personally to make sure that he approves of it before being broadcast. You are only allowed to spend your coins in ways that he thinks are acceptable.

[Kruw]

And they are correct.  Your absolute claim that you "negate the potential gained privacy" is false, because it is absolute.  It is the same as saying that mixers provide no privacy.

I guess o_e_l_e_o and I are just going to have to disagree with you on this one:

Whirlpool does use a central coordinator, so it is absolutely vital that you use it with your own node and Tor to keep your privacy from the central coordinator.

Sorry, I meant I guess n0nce and Jon_Hodl and BlackHatCoiner and o_e_l_e_o and I are just going to have to disagree with you on this one:

It's disingenuous though. I mean they sell it as super duper anonymous, while random SPV wallet devs don't. The ability to use Whirlpool without a full node is extremely misleading and barely better than not mixing at all honestly. It should not be a feature in the first place, in my opinion.

Honestly, it shouldn't even be an option not to run your own node if this software is supposed to be privacy-first. Their 'default nodes' shouldn't even exist, they should all be taken offline if they're serious about privacy.

I would also like to point out that if you are using either method but you are not running your own node, you are trusting both your wallet as well as the CoinJoin coordinator with your xPub key which is completely antithetical to the whole idea of increased privacy via CoinJoin.

Note: To enjoy great levels of privacy with coinjoin, running your own full node is a prerequisite. If viewing your wallet's balance requires a third party, then the gained privacy is questionable.