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October 27, 2023, 02:39:42 PM
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Failures and losses had come first before we learn how really trading life is. Yes, I thought before when I began trading I could earn instantly but sadly, the opposite thing happened. I began to wonder and keep searching online and watching YouTube looking for ideas that could help improve my trading journey.
Losses and failures seem to be a reason why we should have to learn more and not just be confident about learning the basics but instead, try to work more. Our experience will be teaching us what are the things needed for us to improve and what are the things that we need to stop.
Even though we can learn from others and we can practice, we will still do trading in our own and we will use a real money. Losses and failures can come here. Trading is not as simple as it sounds or as we see on our timeline because what we can sometimes see are only the final result.

We only got amazed and rush. That is the time we realize that we are wrong or maybe we can say that we got fooled, but it was actually our fault too. Apart from losses and failures, the reason why we need to learn more is to be able to grow or improve more as a trader. I guess you guys already know what that means or what are its benefits.

It is true that basically we will trade on our own based on the knowledge and good planning that we have learned before. Therefore the importance of having good planning and management in terms of trading is none other than because it is also for our provision in our trading journey, in my opinion there is no word not to learn or stop learning when we have decided to enter the trading profession, because there will always be new things created in the market and with that then we must continue to learn to balance our knowledge so as not to be left behind. Honestly I will not say that trading is easy, but I will say according to the facts that occur, in my opinion this is a very difficult profession according to my experience, which is where you will never escape the name of a loss, losses will always follow our trading journey and that is why one must learn many things related to what must be prepared such as for example, preparing capital that you can be responsible for, good planning, a fairly accurate strategy, mental and psychological training.

All of the basic points above have become the basic things that every trader must have because only that can lead us to achieve consistent profits and also only that point will be able to minimize us from the chance of loss, and yes the most important thing you have to prepare a strong mentality and psychology there, because with a calm psychology then you will be able to make the right decisions to reach your profit target, and also yes a strong mentality, not infrequently we find some who fail because they are not strong enough to withstand the conditions of loss there, they can lust at any time and finally experience MC.
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1. Is it possible to make 1% on a trade within a short time frame as in a few hours or a day ? Would that also inturn mean that you would make 10% on futures with a 10x leverage? I would like to elaborate more on this i just simply dont know where to begin. It would be nice if i could have a conversation with someone who has experience on the matter.

2. In a normal trade when you buy a certain coin means there is someone else selling on the opposite end. does this rule apply the same for Futures ? Say im going to put in $1000 Long on coin X . does that mean it will only fill if there is someone Shorting the same coin at the same leverage at the same value of $1000?
1% is not a big deal but i will suggest that do not use Future Trading if you Don't have previous experience Because future trading is a dangerous Place. 1% profit daily is possible in normal trade like spot but it is also not guaranteed but if you can trade carefully without panicking then you will able to make 1% profit each day easily.

Yes you are thinking right about Leverage for Short and long you will get same amount for both when you will take Leverage 2x-125x according to coins



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October 27, 2023, 04:31:00 PM
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I think doing 1% trades are already insane in my books doing this trade 100 times would 2x my capital.I want to learn if someone would tell me hell yea its definitely possible . i do have the patience for it.
It's not about hours or days, we're talking about the accuracy of your predictions. You can even earn 100% for one short-term entry.

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As for the futures question of the liquidity pool. the reason i ask cause it was a bit confusing to me. I could long lev 2x 5 million dollars and the thing would fill on any coin?
A bit confused by the "fill" in this question.
In essence, when you open a position, your money is included in the liquidity of all futures markets.

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October 27, 2023, 05:02:31 PM
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It's nice been a long time that since I've been called a noob.

The whole point of asking questions is to learn and ask anyone who has success they needed to start somewhere and failures are just stepping stones to move forward.

I do thank you for your advise.

Don’t call yourself noob mate. We all started from zero. It’s great to know that you are hear to learn from others. Definitely everything that is being said here by the other members will definitely help you to understand the perspective of trading in a better manner. I don’t do trading in futures market more often, but in futures you get a leverage and it just increases the capacity of your balance or funds to buy more coins. Spot trading and futures are both completely different. Try to see some YouTube videos on both and this will definitely clear more of your doubts.

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October 27, 2023, 07:27:52 PM
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It's nice been a long time that since I've been called a noob.

The whole point of asking questions is to learn and ask anyone who has success they needed to start somewhere and failures are just stepping stones to move forward.

I do thank you for your advise.

Don’t call yourself noob mate. We all started from zero.
We are all noob from the start, I personally consider my self stupid at first because I didn't know basic stuff about trading, and when I learned, I'm still stupid for not making wise decisions in trading. Don't take it personally, make it as your motivation to do more, learn more and earn more.

It’s great to know that you are hear to learn from others. Definitely everything that is being said here by the other members will definitely help you to understand the perspective of trading in a better manner.
It is great to learn from other's experiences, experience is the great teacher, you'll be safe enough not to experience horrible things as they have on their own story. So you better be careful of your steps moving forward.

I don’t do trading in futures market more often, but in futures you get a leverage and it just increases the capacity of your balance or funds to buy more coins. Spot trading and futures are both completely different. Try to see some YouTube videos on both and this will definitely clear more of your doubts.
If you are new to trading, and you want to try futures, maybe you can try it first with demo accounts. There are exchanges that offers demo account for futures trading so you'll have a first hand experience trading without needing to deposit a real money. Make it as your foundation if you really want to trade. Utilize exchanges efforts for newbies like you OP.
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1. Is it possible to make 1% on a trade within a short time frame as in a few hours or a day ? Would that also inturn mean that you would make 10% on futures with a 10x leverage? I would like to elaborate more on this i just simply dont know where to begin. It would be nice if i could have a conversation with someone who has experience on the matter.
It is indeed possible to earn that amount, however make no mistake, just because something is possible it does not mean that you can do it over and over again, earning 1% per trade may not seem like much to those that do not understand the power of compound interest, but on my view that is a massive amount of money.

With this in mind you should not get your hopes up about getting those kind of results, as even the best traders around the world will be unable to get those kind of results.

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I dont know where to begin and i have tried looking for someone to talk to regarding this. its really silly questions. Im going to just put it out here. hopefully someone can give me some clarity.

1. Is it possible to make 1% on a trade within a short time frame as in a few hours or a day ? Would that also inturn mean that you would make 10% on futures with a 10x leverage? I would like to elaborate more on this i just simply dont know where to begin. It would be nice if i could have a conversation with someone who has experience on the matter.

2. In a normal trade when you buy a certain coin means there is someone else selling on the opposite end. does this rule apply the same for Futures ? Say im going to put in $1000 Long on coin X . does that mean it will only fill if there is someone Shorting the same coin at the same leverage at the same value of $1000?

These are two specific question and I try to answer them as honest as possible. 1.) Sure 1% is possible for a day trader, just look at one particular crypto currency like Bitcoins and you will see that prices tend to move 1-3% on average a day. If you buy and sell at the right time you can turn that into your profit. Now with a 10x leverage this would increase your profit to 10% on a single day. However, from your limited experience I wouldn't expect this to be a reliable income. Running a 10x leverage increase your risk a lot, because it also will make any losses 10 times worth. So, if the market drops 5% suddenly this will wipe out half of your money. As a someone with no experience in leveraged positions I would rather stay away from them and first try to make money in the spot market. 2.) Yes, futures also need to have a counterpart, your profit needs to come from somewhere. In the ideal world the exchange would match buyer and seller of future contract so that there is no risk for themselves. But this is not always possible as there will most likely be more people going long into future contracts than short. In that case it's all about hedging your positions to not face any serious risk. 
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It is possible to make 1% from futures trading in a short time but you have to find a coin that can move rather quickly and you also have to be able to analyze it. Without it, you will not be able to get the benefits and may suffer losses. For the current situation, it can be obtained because many coins are moving better because they follow Bitcoin's movements.

The market now looks more lively than in the past. And that means you can profit from futures trading. It is better for you to keep earning that 1% in futures trading and repeat it many times because that means your profits will also increase.

If you are a beginner and have no experience in futures trading, you should use only a small amount of capital. You have to get at least used to everything in futures trading and understand it to analyze it well.

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October 28, 2023, 01:44:25 PM
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It is possible to make 1% from futures trading in a short time but you have to find a coin that can move rather quickly and you also have to be able to analyze it. Without it, you will not be able to get the benefits and may suffer losses. For the current situation, it can be obtained because many coins are moving better because they follow Bitcoin's movements.

The market now looks more lively than in the past. And that means you can profit from futures trading. It is better for you to keep earning that 1% in futures trading and repeat it many times because that means your profits will also increase.

If indeed you only target 1% of daily or short-term trading in my opinion yes it is quite possible because here you are looking for only a small portion as take profit per day for example. Of course, it is not impossible to experience losses, especially for short periods of time you will usually feel aggressive fluctuations from one of the coins that you have chosen or determined as a place to look for these targets. So you or they should be able to be more careful and vigilant when starting trading, choose one of the coins that allows you to get the 1% target, and yes another thing is that you must really master a very good technical analysis, none other than because it will make it easier for you to reach the target.

Yes, lately the market looks more crowded than a few years ago, none other than this is also due to the development of increasingly sophisticated technology which makes most people finally know about the world of investment and also motivated by some traders who are increasingly professional who have managed to get a large enough profit. It doesn't matter if we target small profits, what's more important is to be consistent and stay that way, because it's useless if you target big profits but the end result is always not what you want which means that losses dominate.

If you are a beginner and have no experience in futures trading, you should use only a small amount of capital. You have to get at least used to everything in futures trading and understand it to analyze it well.

This is intended for those beginners who have just come, capital allocation is also very important to consider, meaning that they must really allocate money that they can be responsible for if they end up losing, take lessons from the mistakes you have made and consider this small amount as training so that you grow, and if you feel that you are able and can always achieve consistent results with small targets then next you can increase your take profit.
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I dont know where to begin and i have tried looking for someone to talk to regarding this. its really silly questions. Im going to just put it out here. hopefully someone can give me some clarity.


1. Is it possible to make 1% on a trade within a short time frame as in a few hours or a day ? Would that also inturn mean that you would make 10% on futures with a 10x leverage? I would like to elaborate more on this i just simply dont know where to begin. It would be nice if i could have a conversation with someone who has experience on the matter.

2. In a normal trade when you buy a certain coin means there is someone else selling on the opposite end. does this rule apply the same for Futures ? Say im going to put in $1000 Long on coin X . does that mean it will only fill if there is someone Shorting the same coin at the same leverage at the same value of $1000?
Bitcoin trades have to be done over a long period of time and there is a possibility of loss if you trade in a short period of time. People who have no knowledge or experience in trading should not trade in Bitcoin. Because Bitcoin is risky it is more or less known to everyone so the money you invest is your earnings or your father's money. If it is your father's money then you must take every step carefully. Because here if you suffer any. Then you have to answer to your father. And if the money is yours then you can trade if there is a loss then you will lose but no one will be held accountable. Then I will say one thing if you don't have that good knowledge about bitcoin then you better not trade bitcoin.

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October 28, 2023, 05:35:48 PM
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didn't target how much I can make in a day because I'm not a short term type of trader.
I prefer long and medium term investments.
Often also do swing trading and profit at least 5% -10% depending on market conditions.
I don't always target a certain percentage, if I have made a profit and that's enough then I close the order. Long term it might yield 2x or even higher.
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Bitcoin trades have to be done over a long period of time and there is a possibility of loss if you trade in a short period of time.
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What you are saying here has absolutely nothing to do with Bitcoin. Your statements apply just as much to the stock market or forex trading, which at first glance hardly move.

Bitcoin's only unique selling point here is the potentially very strong swings up or down. These can hardly be found on the stock market in very short time frames (e.g. less than 6 hours). However, this does not make Bitcoin less difficult to trade or requires a higher risk awareness than stocks or the already mentioned Forex trades. These extreme swings can hardly be predicted by anyone and are usually triggered by news or events over which one has no influence, e.g. the collapse of FTX or now the rumors surrounding the approval of a Blackrock ETF.



I don't always target a certain percentage, if I have made a profit and that's enough then I close the order. Long term it might yield 2x or even higher.

If this is indeed true, I would urgently adopt a risk management strategy if I were you. This sounds more like gambling than real trading to me. Before you enter a trade, it should be clear when you get out, both in the positive and negative sense!

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October 28, 2023, 06:39:55 PM
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The feasible return seems not to be too much so it is not impossible but you need to rethink it as you are risking more than 1% for that same profit. Crypto market small correction is even 5%-7% long so if the market starts running opposite of your trade then you will lose 5 to 7 of your winning trade. As your target is to profit 1% per trade so I assume you will close your trade at 1% profit. Is that really worth it for you and if i am thinking wrong in here enlighten me.

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It's nice been a long time that since I've been called a noob.

The whole point of asking questions is to learn and ask anyone who has success they needed to start somewhere and failures are just stepping stones to move forward.

I do thank you for your advise.

Don’t call yourself noob mate. We all started from zero. It’s great to know that you are hear to learn from others. Definitely everything that is being said here by the other members will definitely help you to understand the perspective of trading in a better manner. I don’t do trading in futures market more often, but in futures you get a leverage and it just increases the capacity of your balance or funds to buy more coins. Spot trading and futures are both completely different. Try to see some YouTube videos on both and this will definitely clear more of your doubts.
Not really that bad on making yourself that wary on what you are or your current standing when it comes to knowledge and experience on which its not really that good or not that enough.
Its better that you should really be having that kind of acceptance rather than on making yourself that boastful on being knowledgeable even if its not. Trading results would really be
that totally be depending on several factors on which it would be determining about your experience/knowledge and be mixing up those proc when it comes to market movement.
Earning % would really be that totally different whether your are experienced or not which it would really be that random.

But one things for sure that you shouldn't really be that easily dealing with futures trading when you are really just that starting to trade and it isnt really that something
that would be ideal and its good that you have realized when it comes realistic approach.

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October 28, 2023, 09:15:53 PM
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I dont know where to begin and i have tried looking for someone to talk to regarding this. its really silly questions. Im going to just put it out here. hopefully someone can give me some clarity.


1. Is it possible to make 1% on a trade within a short time frame as in a few hours or a day ? Would that also inturn mean that you would make 10% on futures with a 10x leverage? I would like to elaborate more on this i just simply dont know where to begin. It would be nice if i could have a conversation with someone who has experience on the matter.

2. In a normal trade when you buy a certain coin means there is someone else selling on the opposite end. does this rule apply the same for Futures ? Say im going to put in $1000 Long on coin X . does that mean it will only fill if there is someone Shorting the same coin at the same leverage at the same value of $1000?

I often like to trade day trading as it is a better option for me as compared to waiting for a long even for some dollars, for example, If I have a small amount of portfolio and I invest this amount in a certain coin maybe 1 or 2. And I start waiting for the price to pump,  I have to wait too much for it to get even my own. And something this could also happen that I have to be at a loss.

You can go for day trading with some suitable coins depending upon your portfolio one of the coins would be the BNB, as it is really better these days and I have also seen some of the traders buying it for the long term I have seen their videos on YouTube but I didn't believe really on them that they will be on a right decision.

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October 29, 2023, 07:45:37 AM
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I dont know where to begin and i have tried looking for someone to talk to regarding this. its really silly questions. Im going to just put it out here. hopefully someone can give me some clarity.


1. Is it possible to make 1% on a trade within a short time frame as in a few hours or a day ? Would that also inturn mean that you would make 10% on futures with a 10x leverage? I would like to elaborate more on this i just simply dont know where to begin. It would be nice if i could have a conversation with someone who has experience on the matter.

2. In a normal trade when you buy a certain coin means there is someone else selling on the opposite end. does this rule apply the same for Futures ? Say im going to put in $1000 Long on coin X . does that mean it will only fill if there is someone Shorting the same coin at the same leverage at the same value of $1000?

To answer the question in the topic title, I think it varies from person to person. As someone who generally trades futures with a very variable capital, unfortunately, it isn't possible for me to specify a clear percentage because I aim for a daily profit based on the amount depending on my living conditions and expenses.

1) Yes, it is possible to earn daily profits by using leverage and the percentage of earnings varies depending on the leverage ratio. For example, when 10x leverage is used if the traded parity changes by 0.1% the profit rate corresponds to 1% of the margin you use. If this change occurs by 10%, the profit obtained is twice the balance used as margin not the position size. That is, when 100 USD margin is used with 10x leverage the position size will be 1,000 USD and a 10 USD profit will be obtained with a 0.1% change in value. In other words, a profit of 10% of the margin amount will be obtained. In a similar situation, it will be possible to obtain 100% profit compared to the margin amount with a 10% change in value in the transaction parity.

2) Yes, a reverse process occurs in the process of closing leveraged transactions. In other words, the margin transaction here is closed by selling/buying to close a long transaction. For this reason, you can think of margin transactions as buying and selling just like spot transactions. Of course, it wouldn't be correct to say that it is literally the same as spot transactions but it is possible to define it in the simplest way.
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October 29, 2023, 12:50:22 PM
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didn't target how much I can make in a day because I'm not a short term type of trader.
I prefer long and medium term investments.
Often also do swing trading and profit at least 5% -10% depending on market conditions.
I don't always target a certain percentage, if I have made a profit and that's enough then I close the order. Long term it might yield 2x or even higher.
It means that we can't be greedy in trading, we instead know how to accept small amounts of earnings. If we can make 100usd today, we can't be sure that it will be the same for tomorrow but possibly be bigger or below, and also it is possible to lose. Trading results are uncertain which is why we can't assume to earn this amount XXX every day.

I could agree that even if we have a target but we should not think every time we trade, we instead think about how to earn at least a little every day without focusing on our target amount.



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October 29, 2023, 05:15:35 PM
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I dont know where to begin and i have tried looking for someone to talk to regarding this. its really silly questions. Im going to just put it out here. hopefully someone can give me some clarity.
There is nothing wrong in asking questions when you are confused about something or want to add to your knowledge, so you shouldn't feel that your questions are silly even if they are Grin.

1. Is it possible to make 1% on a trade within a short time frame as in a few hours or a day ? Would that also inturn mean that you would make 10% on futures with a 10x leverage? I would like to elaborate more on this i just simply dont know where to begin. It would be nice if i could have a conversation with someone who has experience on the matter.
It is possible to make more than 1% on a short-term trade depending on the market conditions and the volatility of the coin you are trading. It's not easy, but it's doable if someone has enough knowledge and experience about the market and knows the right time to buy and sell. I wouldn't recommend using 10x leverage in futures trading if you don't have enough experience in it because you will risk losing your capital with that.

2. In a normal trade when you buy a certain coin means there is someone else selling on the opposite end. does this rule apply the same for Futures ? Say im going to put in $1000 Long on coin X . does that mean it will only fill if there is someone Shorting the same coin at the same leverage at the same value of $1000?
I don't have a lot of knowledge or experience about futures because I don't trade in futures, but as far as I know, exchanges have their own liquidity for futures trades, so for your trade to be successful it is not necessary for someone else to have a failed trade with the same leverage because the amount used will also be different for sure, but general knowledge tells us that when you long a certain coin and get a successful trade, it obviously means that a lot of people who might have shorted the same coin must have lost their money and that is added in the liquidity of the exchange.
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October 29, 2023, 05:43:57 PM
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Although 1 percent is a very small amount, there is no guarantee that you will make profit 1 percent every day. Because sometimes you have to lose. As there is a advantage in futures trading, if the leverage is high, your profit will increase rapidly, but if it behaves differently, then your risk of losing will increase greatly. Everything is uncertain. However, it is not unusual to get a return of 1 percent or more if a little more money is added in the account.
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October 30, 2023, 03:33:01 AM
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Although 1 percent is a very small amount, there is no guarantee that you will make profit 1 percent every day. Because sometimes you have to lose. As there is a advantage in futures trading, if the leverage is high, your profit will increase rapidly, but if it behaves differently, then your risk of losing will increase greatly. Everything is uncertain. However, it is not unusual to get a return of 1 percent or more if a little more money is added in the account.
You're triggering future positions with high leverages, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, I know all you're after is accumulating enormous profits from the system, but to milk the system, there ought to be disciplinary principles that provide guidance. Setting good leverages in future and also ensuring there's good entry will generate good trading money, but we should remember that there are loses also. We're not limited in the system, we can earn good significant money and also lose them if we don't abide with good trading strategies.
The system have been designated to make us lose more money and run into liquidation but the wise trades tends to escape from the scenario.

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