STAKE.COM SCAMMED ME FOR 10k

[holydarkness]

Umm... here's the thing, a match was ended abruptly at minutes 66, less than an hour later, the exact same match with the exact same people playing the exact same team [different result, though] are being played, and the explanation that it's not a re-play for the previously unfinished match is: "that's how it works"? To put it roughly, you were asked for a backing reference, and your answer is basically, "source: trust me dude"?

You will really go with this? Ok, let's assume you're right, let's try to turn this as your basis.

Do you mind to provide several other matches with this scenario [exact same people play exact same team in a very short time]? Let's leave the part where the previous match was not finished for now. I figure if it's how it works, and it's 100% not a replay, there will be other instances. It can be a good backing evidence to support your claim if you can provide it.

Here you go, these are some from the same day and time range.

Ok, I was wrong and stand corrected, the previously mentioned matche at 01.42 a.m. could be not a re-play, and thus, the final score on the second match could probably not be used as a reference to mark your bet as lost. Should it not be voided, though? Well, can you provide the final score provided at the end of that match? Because... unless I'm wrong, that's how and when every market settled.

[Patriots89]

Umm... here's the thing, a match was ended abruptly at minutes 66, less than an hour later, the exact same match with the exact same people playing the exact same team [different result, though] are being played, and the explanation that it's not a re-play for the previously unfinished match is: "that's how it works"? To put it roughly, you were asked for a backing reference, and your answer is basically, "source: trust me dude"?

You will really go with this? Ok, let's assume you're right, let's try to turn this as your basis.

Do you mind to provide several other matches with this scenario [exact same people play exact same team in a very short time]? Let's leave the part where the previous match was not finished for now. I figure if it's how it works, and it's 100% not a replay, there will be other instances. It can be a good backing evidence to support your claim if you can provide it.

Here you go, these are some from the same day and time range.

https://i.ibb.co/NT721Hq/D53-D4430-AD6-F-4-C4-A-B05-C-EBA56735742-B.jpg https://i.ibb.co/HGP2txB/C9-B3-C4-DF-DBE8-49-D8-8364-079-E50-ED3677.jpg https://i.ibb.co/JpcQMsn/F9928258-E523-4429-AA0-C-73-F5-E8-EE5899.jpg https://i.ibb.co/F7mcsjG/DAEF7466-0-DC4-48-CC-8733-762-DF946-E6-D8.jpg

Ok, I was wrong and stand corrected, the previously mentioned matche at 01.42 a.m. could be not a re-play, and thus, the final score on the second match could probably not be used as a reference to mark your bet as lost. Should it not be voided, though? Well, can you provide the final score provided at the end of that match? Because... unless I'm wrong, that's how and when every market settled.

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Mate, with all due respect, you’re making no sense. My bets were on the first half which was CLEARLY completed with a score of 2-1.

If you watch the stream on YouTube, you can clearly see that and you can see the match was cancelled in the 70th minute ish for no apparent reason. Stake simply scammed me, there nothing else to it.

[holydarkness]

Ok, I was wrong and stand corrected, the previously mentioned matche at 01.42 a.m. could be not a re-play, and thus, the final score on the second match could probably not be used as a reference to mark your bet as lost. Should it not be voided, though? Well, can you provide the final score provided at the end of that match? Because... unless I'm wrong, that's how and when every market settled.

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Mate, with all due respect, you’re making no sense. My bets were on the first half which was CLEARLY completed with a score of 2-1.

If you watch the stream on YouTube, you can clearly see that and you can see the match was cancelled in the 70th minute ish for no apparent reason. Stake simply scammed me, there nothing else to it.

Be that as it may, their rules to determine the outcome of a bet is through the statistic shown at the end of a match. I believe this stat showing the score etc. are not shown on the screen during half time? As for they scam you or not, that's highly... dependant on the case. If we reverse the situation, where you lose your bet, will you still complaining or will you be more than happy that it got voided due to... no apparent reason?

A probable way to get "around" this is to point out the official score or result of that match. Is there an official summary that explain the score is 2-1? Or the official says as what Stake's representative provided to you,

[...]
“The odds provider has confirmed there's been connection issues for this whole series. and for the game in question there were 2 goals scored when the stream dropped.
This has therefore voided all bets even in the first half, and match cancelled."
[...]

in other words, the official of that match themselves [not Stake] ruled the match as cancelled.

[Patriots89]

Ok, I was wrong and stand corrected, the previously mentioned matche at 01.42 a.m. could be not a re-play, and thus, the final score on the second match could probably not be used as a reference to mark your bet as lost. Should it not be voided, though? Well, can you provide the final score provided at the end of that match? Because... unless I'm wrong, that's how and when every market settled.

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Mate, with all due respect, you’re making no sense. My bets were on the first half which was CLEARLY completed with a score of 2-1.

If you watch the stream on YouTube, you can clearly see that and you can see the match was cancelled in the 70th minute ish for no apparent reason. Stake simply scammed me, there nothing else to it.

Be that as it may, their rules to determine the outcome of a bet is through the statistic shown at the end of a match. I believe this stat showing the score etc. are not shown on the screen during half time? As for they scam you or not, that's highly... dependant on the case. If we reverse the situation, where you lose your bet, will you still complaining or will you be more than happy that it got voided due to... no apparent reason?

A probable way to get "around" this is to point out the official score or result of that match. Is there an official summary that explain the score is 2-1? Or the official says as what Stake's representative provided to you,

[...]
“The odds provider has confirmed there's been connection issues for this whole series. and for the game in question there were 2 goals scored when the stream dropped.
This has therefore voided all bets even in the first half, and match cancelled."
[...]

in other words, the official of that match themselves [not Stake] ruled the match as cancelled.

Lmfao

Yeah, the OFFICIAL WEBSITE VIDEO ON YOUTUBE shows the match LIVE and the score and them
Playing well into the second half.

Mate, I win and lose, I don’t complain when I lose but when I win fair and square I need to be paid. I don’t bet $5

[holydarkness]

Lmfao

Yeah, the OFFICIAL WEBSITE VIDEO ON YOUTUBE shows the match LIVE and the score and them
Playing well into the second half.

Mate, I win and lose, I don’t complain when I lose but when I win fair and square I need to be paid. I don’t bet $5

Allow me to rephrase, is there a statistic, a scorecard, or a leaderboard perhaps, that indicate that the said match were not ruled as cancelled by the officials of that tournament? That video on youtube does not exactly conclude if the whole match is considered a full match or a cancelled one, does it?

[Patriots89]

Lmfao

Yeah, the OFFICIAL WEBSITE VIDEO ON YOUTUBE shows the match LIVE and the score and them
Playing well into the second half.

Mate, I win and lose, I don’t complain when I lose but when I win fair and square I need to be paid. I don’t bet $5

Allow me to rephrase, is there a statistic, a scorecard, or a leaderboard perhaps, that indicate that the said match were not ruled as cancelled by the officials of that tournament? That video on youtube does not exactly conclude if the whole match is considered a full match or a cancelled one, does it?

I understand what you’re saying but that’s irrelevant to my bet. I did not place a wager on the full match, I placed a wager on the first half, which was completed without issue. The outcome after the first half is irrelevant to me.

[acroman08]

Lmfao

Yeah, the OFFICIAL WEBSITE VIDEO ON YOUTUBE shows the match LIVE and the score and them
Playing well into the second half.

Mate, I win and lose, I don’t complain when I lose but when I win fair and square I need to be paid. I don’t bet $5

Allow me to rephrase, is there a statistic, a scorecard, or a leaderboard perhaps, that indicate that the said match were not ruled as cancelled by the officials of that tournament? That video on youtube does not exactly conclude if the whole match is considered a full match or a cancelled one, does it?

I understand what you’re saying but that’s irrelevant to my bet. I did not place a wager on the full match, I placed a wager on the first half, which was completed without issue. The outcome after the first half is irrelevant to me.

sorry to say this but it doesn't matter if the outcome after the first half is irrelevant to you, what matters is what is stated on their ToS which is what the gambling site will follow and it is clearly stated on their ToS that all bets on a match that is suspended/cancelled will be voided which is what happened on the match you placed a wager on.

[Mahdirakib]

I understand what you’re saying but that’s irrelevant to my bet. I did not place a wager on the full match, I placed a wager on the first half, which was completed without issue. The outcome after the first half is irrelevant to me.

Your point is valid here. The settlement of your bets should have done as it was placed on the first half. But they will follow the rules of the terms. I have pointed out one rule on my previous post which marked your bet as voided. Some sportsbook marks the first half bets as settled even if the match gets cancelled or abandoned in the second half. But in your case, Stake has taken the decision based on the general terms of Esports. What was the answer from the support team of Stake about your bets?

[holydarkness]

I understand what you’re saying but that’s irrelevant to my bet. I did not place a wager on the full match, I placed a wager on the first half, which was completed without issue. The outcome after the first half is irrelevant to me.

Is it irrelevant, though? Aside from what the two nice gentlemen said above me, it's worth to mention that if the official [the organizer and the owner of the said competition and thus the said match] ruled it as a cancelled match, how should a betting platform or a bookie made their own decision against the one that the official made and validate the bets? The outcome after the first half become relevant to the official's decision due to that reason, not to mention the rule specified on their ToS.

[Patriots89]

I understand what you’re saying but that’s irrelevant to my bet. I did not place a wager on the full match, I placed a wager on the first half, which was completed without issue. The outcome after the first half is irrelevant to me.

Your point is valid here. The settlement of your bets should have done as it was placed on the first half. But they will follow the rules of the terms. I have pointed out one rule on my previous post which marked your bet as voided. Some sportsbook marks the first half bets as settled even if the match gets cancelled or abandoned in the second half. But in your case, Stake has taken the decision based on the general terms of Esports. What was the answer from the support team of Stake about your bets?

Mate, 100% they have to settle my bets as wins. There is an official video of the match posted on youtube of the full live stream. When the livestream comes back, it’s 1-1 and Alicia scores before halftime to go 2-1. First half is played and completed without issue. Game continues into the 70th minute and they quit the game? Not even a disconnect, the girls manually quit the game. My market was already played and completed. I am 99% certain once all the complaint companies get involved, stake will have to pay these wagers correctly.

In addition, there’s not ANY terms and conditions under their FIFA rules that say ANYTHING about a void if disconnected. If you want to use esports rules, it says something like “all unaffected markets” my markets were unaffected. The result of the full game had no impact on my wagers.

[Patriots89]

Stakes terms and conditions for fifa clearly indicate;


“Match First Half Total Goals: whether the final count of goals scored in the first period of a certain Match is over or under a certain figure.”

“ All settlements will occur using the official score and results, which are declared on the official video stream or the in-game stream of the relevant matches.”

[holydarkness]

Mate, 100% they have to settle my bets as wins. There is an official video of the match posted on youtube of the full live stream. When the livestream comes back, it’s 1-1 and Alicia scores before halftime to go 2-1. First half is played and completed without issue. Game continues into the 70th minute and they quit the game? Not even a disconnect, the girls manually quit the game. My market was already played and completed. I am 99% certain once all the complaint companies get involved, stake will have to pay these wagers correctly.

In addition, there’s not ANY terms and conditions under their FIFA rules that say ANYTHING about a void if disconnected. If you want to use esports rules, it says something like “all unaffected markets” my markets were unaffected. The result of the full game had no impact on my wagers.

Is this the oficial statement by the match provider? The players quit the game? Wouldn't that mean the game marked as cancelled, then?

Stakes terms and conditions for fifa clearly indicate;


“Match First Half Total Goals: whether the final count of goals scored in the first period of a certain Match is over or under a certain figure.”

“ All settlements will occur using the official score and results, which are declared on the official video stream or the in-game stream of the relevant matches.”

You conveniently snipped the first part of the rule you quoted to match your narrative. The complete rule is as what I pointed on #21,

"All esports markets are based on in-game score events or results at the end of a scheduled match/map. All settlements will occur using the official score and results, which are declared on the official video stream or the in-game stream of the relevant matches."

[Patriots89]

Mate, 100% they have to settle my bets as wins. There is an official video of the match posted on youtube of the full live stream. When the livestream comes back, it’s 1-1 and Alicia scores before halftime to go 2-1. First half is played and completed without issue. Game continues into the 70th minute and they quit the game? Not even a disconnect, the girls manually quit the game. My market was already played and completed. I am 99% certain once all the complaint companies get involved, stake will have to pay these wagers correctly.

In addition, there’s not ANY terms and conditions under their FIFA rules that say ANYTHING about a void if disconnected. If you want to use esports rules, it says something like “all unaffected markets” my markets were unaffected. The result of the full game had no impact on my wagers.

Is this the oficial statement by the match provider? The players quit the game? Wouldn't that mean the game marked as cancelled, then?

Stakes terms and conditions for fifa clearly indicate;


“Match First Half Total Goals: whether the final count of goals scored in the first period of a certain Match is over or under a certain figure.”

“ All settlements will occur using the official score and results, which are declared on the official video stream or the in-game stream of the relevant matches.”

You conveniently snipped the first part of the rule you quoted to match your narrative. The complete rule is as what I pointed on #21,

"All esports markets are based on in-game score events or results at the end of a scheduled match/map. All settlements will occur using the official score and results, which are declared on the official video stream or the in-game stream of the relevant matches."

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/10/27/ThbYz.jpeg

I didn’t miss anything. Stake told me those terms and conditions are not from fifa.

In reality, this is just stake racially profiling me and refusing to pay me. I have been blocked from email support and live support for almost a year because they all hate me because I call them out on their bullshit.

Why don’t you read the convo below which happened a few hours ago. (I made a new account to message them, the agent had no clue who I was while engaging in conversation with me). Once he realizes who I am, he blocks me and stops the investigation.

He even says “hope they do the right thing” he can clearly see the bets we’re winning bets
But that goes out the window once he knows who I am.

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[acroman08]

I didn’t miss anything. Stake told me those terms and conditions are not from fifa.

In reality, this is just stake racially profiling me and refusing to pay me. I have been blocked from email support and live support for almost a year because they all hate me because I call them out on their bullshit.

"racially profiling"? did I miss anything? Do you have any proof that they are actually racially profiling you? Could it be that they stopped the investigation once they knew who you are because on their side the case is already closed and there is no point contacting you?

He even says “hope they do the right thing” he can clearly see the bets we’re winning bets
But that goes out the window once he knows who I am.

the exact words are "Hopefully they will make the right decision", very different from what you said and could mean very differently on what you are implying.

[Patriots89]

I didn’t miss anything. Stake told me those terms and conditions are not from fifa.

In reality, this is just stake racially profiling me and refusing to pay me. I have been blocked from email support and live support for almost a year because they all hate me because I call them out on their bullshit.

"racially profiling"? did I miss anything? Do you have any proof that they are actually racially profiling you? Could it be that they stopped the investigation once they knew who you are because on their side the case is already closed and there is no point contacting you?

He even says “hope they do the right thing” he can clearly see the bets we’re winning bets
But that goes out the window once he knows who I am.

the exact words are "Hopefully they will make the right decision", very different from what you said and could mean very differently on what you are implying.

Dude, he’s a sportbook manager. He obviously reviewed the video stream and the bets and realizes that they were settled incorrectly. If he didn’t think there was any issue, he would have said that like they usually do when you try to report a bet.

[holydarkness]

I didn’t miss anything. Stake told me those terms and conditions are not from fifa.

In reality, this is just stake racially profiling me and refusing to pay me. I have been blocked from email support and live support for almost a year because they all hate me because I call them out on their bullshit.

Why don’t you read the convo below which happened a few hours ago. (I made a new account to message them, the agent had no clue who I was while engaging in conversation with me). Once he realizes who I am, he blocks me and stops the investigation.

He even says “hope they do the right thing” he can clearly see the bets we’re winning bets
But that goes out the window once he knows who I am.

Reuploading your image for visibility and rearranging the order to better fit chronologically.

Mind to point us out where he sees the bet as a winning bet and where that decision goes out the window when he realized who you are? Because I can't find anything on that screenshot above, implicitly or explicitly, that said as what you narrated.

[Patriots89]

I didn’t miss anything. Stake told me those terms and conditions are not from fifa.

In reality, this is just stake racially profiling me and refusing to pay me. I have been blocked from email support and live support for almost a year because they all hate me because I call them out on their bullshit.

Why don’t you read the convo below which happened a few hours ago. (I made a new account to message them, the agent had no clue who I was while engaging in conversation with me). Once he realizes who I am, he blocks me and stops the investigation.

He even says “hope they do the right thing” he can clearly see the bets we’re winning bets
But that goes out the window once he knows who I am.

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Reuploading your image for visibility and rearranging the order to better fit chronologically.

Mind to point us out where he sees the bet as a winning bet and where that decision goes out the window when he realized who you are? Because I can't find anything on that screenshot above, implicitly or explicitly, that said as what you narrated.

When he blocks me.

[holydarkness]

Reuploading your image for visibility and rearranging the order to better fit chronologically.

Mind to point us out where he sees the bet as a winning bet and where that decision goes out the window when he realized who you are? Because I can't find anything on that screenshot above, implicitly or explicitly, that said as what you narrated.

When he blocks me.

When was that, too? I can't see when he blocked you. Is there another screenshot or something to help us, maybe? All I see is he didn't read your message yet, after you're saying your good bye and after he said he's waiting for an answer from the odds provider, same with that I can't see he thinks it's a winning bet, all he said was he can't give personal opinion; not even a hint --from the way I perceive it-- that says he's in agreement with you. Is there another screenshot that back up this claim and can help us see what you proposed?

[Patriots89]

Reuploading your image for visibility and rearranging the order to better fit chronologically.

Mind to point us out where he sees the bet as a winning bet and where that decision goes out the window when he realized who you are? Because I can't find anything on that screenshot above, implicitly or explicitly, that said as what you narrated.

When he blocks me.

When was that, too? I can't see when he blocked you. Is there another screenshot or something to help us, maybe? All I see is he didn't read your message yet, after you're saying your good bye and after he said he's waiting for an answer from the odds provider, same with that I can't see he thinks it's a winning bet, all he said was he can't give personal opinion; not even a hint --from the way I perceive it-- that says he's in agreement with you. Is there another screenshot that back up this claim and can help us see what you proposed?

He blocked me when I went to message him back for an update.

I’m not sure who you are or what the fuck you’re trying to prove but you’re wasting my time and you’re wasting your time. Go back to wherever you came from. You clearly know nothing about sports betting and you’re just a troll who brings nothing positive to this situation. Maybe you’re a stake employee who sucks off eddie.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

Reuploading your image for visibility and rearranging the order to better fit chronologically.

Mind to point us out where he sees the bet as a winning bet and where that decision goes out the window when he realized who you are? Because I can't find anything on that screenshot above, implicitly or explicitly, that said as what you narrated.

When he blocks me.

When was that, too? I can't see when he blocked you. Is there another screenshot or something to help us, maybe? All I see is he didn't read your message yet, after you're saying your good bye and after he said he's waiting for an answer from the odds provider, same with that I can't see he thinks it's a winning bet, all he said was he can't give personal opinion; not even a hint --from the way I perceive it-- that says he's in agreement with you. Is there another screenshot that back up this claim and can help us see what you proposed?

He blocked me when I went to message him back for an update.

I’m not sure who you are or what the fuck you’re trying to prove but you’re wasting my time and you’re wasting your time. Go back to wherever you came from. You clearly know nothing about sports betting and you’re just a troll who brings nothing positive to this situation. Maybe you’re a stake employee who sucks off eddie.

Wow, ungrateful.
He is trying to help and understand the whole situation.
You upload screens that don't support what you are writing.

Somebody that behaves like this won't get any support or even help.

If you had spoken to the support respectfully in the past you would not be blocked, you know that.
I guess you behaved with them the same way you behave here.

Also, as I said in the other thread, you are not blocked from the regular support, so don't lie here. You wrote yourself that you got a reply why the bet got voided.