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November 01, 2023, 09:54:29 PM
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I did a quick search and didn't find any mentions on the forum so far. I recently stumbled upon an article claiming that the Brave browser, which is quite common in the cryptocurrency world for its BAT tokens and the privacy benefits it offers, is supposedly installing a VPN service on your computer without informing you or getting your permission beforehand. Although this is a paid optional service, don't you think you should be asked whether you want a service running on your computer?

I've also used it in the past but found no real purpose to replace the Chrome browser, which I find the most convenient of all so far. The BAT tokens aren't worth the hassle switching either.

I find it a little contradictory to advertise this browser as a more secure and private option, while at the same time you're being installed with something you're potentially not interested in without your knowledge. On the one hand, I want to believe that it's not that big of a deal, but on the other, I find it unacceptable. What's your opinion about this? Do you believe it's worrying and something to be noted?



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Source: https://www.neowin.net/news/the-brave-browser-on-windows-has-also-been-installing-vpn-services-a-fix-is-in-the-works/

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November 01, 2023, 10:42:48 PM
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I find it a little contradictory to advertise this browser as a more secure and private option, while at the same time you're being installed with something you're potentially not interested in without your knowledge. On the one hand, I want to believe that it's not that big of a deal, but on the other, I find it unacceptable. What's your opinion about this? Do you believe it's worrying and something to be noted?
Brave browser was always coming with a lot of bloatware, so I am not really surprised about this vpn service installed.
However, you can easily disable this in services, and you can use portable Brave browser that don't install anything on your computer.
I wouldn't use Brave as my main browser, but I don't consider this news alarming.
If you want clean browser that respects privacy without extra crap, you can try Librewolf (based on Firefox), and Tor browser for even more privacy.

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November 01, 2023, 10:53:07 PM
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It is necessary to activate the VPN manually.



Regardless, Brave has had nothing to do with privacy for a long time. If they ever had that as a virtue, they have largely become like all other end-user browsers. Even when you mention their BAT token and integration with Uphold, they are very limited and KYC is mandatory. There is no privacy at all.

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November 02, 2023, 02:07:37 AM
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Looks like they did the correct PR move by promising to make the installation not mandatory and only apply to those who subscribe to their VPN service, a new update will automatically remove those services. I do agree that it is an annoying move though, it looks like they won't do anything unless someone finds it out. But yeah, they are not the best choice for privacy for a while now.

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November 02, 2023, 07:38:54 AM
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Just stick with Firefox or Chromium. This kind of nonsense isn't worth dealing with if you are using Windows.

The only thing that it does well is block all the Youtube anti-adblock popups which they have started to enforce recently on everyone. But then again, you can just use the uBlock Origin or Adguard extensions to circumvent that.

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November 02, 2023, 07:51:26 AM
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I've also used it in the past but found no real purpose to replace the Chrome browser, which I find the most convenient of all so far. The BAT tokens aren't worth the hassle switching either.
Chrome is the worst browser to use if you care about privacy. Chrome reveals all of your data, it's the least secure browser. Chrome, Edge, Opera, Safari, Yandex Browser and others should be avoided and Brave is in this list too because of their shady behaviour in past.

I find it a little contradictory to advertise this browser as a more secure and private option, while at the same time you're being installed with something you're potentially not interested in without your knowledge. On the one hand, I want to believe that it's not that big of a deal, but on the other, I find it unacceptable. What's your opinion about this? Do you believe it's worrying and something to be noted?
I think this is not a big deal. Does brave automatically connect you to their VPN? I think they don't do that. Btw Brave is better choice than Chrome and other browsers.
Finally, Tor is the best browser to use but it's not for everyone because it's very slow and there are some other factors to consider. I would stick with Mozilla with some beneficial addons.


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November 02, 2023, 05:47:17 PM
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I find it a little contradictory to advertise this browser as a more secure and private option, while at the same time you're being installed with something you're potentially not interested in without your knowledge. On the one hand, I want to believe that it's not that big of a deal, but on the other, I find it unacceptable. What's your opinion about this? Do you believe it's worrying and something to be noted?
Brave browser was always coming with a lot of bloatware, so I am not really surprised about this vpn service installed.
However, you can easily disable this in services, and you can use portable Brave browser that don't install anything on your computer.
I wouldn't use Brave as my main browser, but I don't consider this news alarming.
If you want clean browser that respects privacy without extra crap, you can try Librewolf (based on Firefox), and Tor browser for even more privacy.
That's interesting, I wasn't expecting that from a service that supposedly supported cryptocurrencies. Thanks for the suggestions, although I'll stick to Chrome, as I find the Google account integrations convenient.
Just stick with Firefox or Chromium. This kind of nonsense isn't worth dealing with if you are using Windows.

The only thing that it does well is block all the Youtube anti-adblock popups which they have started to enforce recently on everyone. But then again, you can just use the uBlock Origin or Adguard extensions to circumvent that.
Indeed, doesn't make much of a difference with Windows. The ideal would be to install Linux, but I don't find it too appealing, even though it's way more secure.
Looks like they did the correct PR move by promising to make the installation not mandatory and only apply to those who subscribe to their VPN service, a new update will automatically remove those services. I do agree that it is an annoying move though, it looks like they won't do anything unless someone finds it out. But yeah, they are not the best choice for privacy for a while now.
That's something at least. Although it's not a mandatory service, I'm not too fond of the idea of having them install the service without your permission, especially since I wasn't interested in it in the first place.
Chrome is the worst browser to use if you care about privacy. Chrome reveals all of your data, it's the least secure browser. Chrome, Edge, Opera, Safari, Yandex Browser and others should be avoided and Brave is in this list too because of their shady behaviour in past.
I see, it certainly isn't and if I'm not mistaken, it's a burden for the computer as well. It uses a lot more ram than the Brave browser, which I had tried a couple of months ago. Edge is certainly off the list as well, since it's a Windows - Microsoft applications, the rest are completely indifferent to me, as I've never bothered to use them.
I think this is not a big deal. Does brave automatically connect you to their VPN? I think they don't do that. Btw Brave is better choice than Chrome and other browsers.
Finally, Tor is the best browser to use but it's not for everyone because it's very slow and there are some other factors to consider. I would stick with Mozilla with some beneficial addons.
On the one hand, I don't believe it's too large of a deal either, but on the other hand, I do find it a little frustrating. I also prefered Firefox in the past, but now with Android phones and Google integrations, Chrome has settled for me.

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November 07, 2023, 11:07:13 PM
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I stop using Brave browser when Binance acquired them, started asking for KYC and filling up their browser with ads plus pushing unnecessary notifications. They went completely the opposite of what they had initial promised because of money greed.
Firefox still remains the best browser In my opinion.

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December 04, 2023, 12:10:03 PM
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the right step so that all the control brought by VPN will be surprising, in the long term it must be done with a discourse that must be resolved.
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