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November 18, 2023, 06:30:40 AM
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AI is dangerous as alone musk say before. On a interview alone musk say one day I will capture all the market and people suffer from unemployment problem. And see this is happening in many sector AI already capture company doing there work by AI. Many people lost their work because company replace they are work by AI. Soon all work those people do manually AI will do it for company. If I huge problem if AI capture all market then there is a huge problem of unemployment.
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November 18, 2023, 08:19:56 AM
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Elon Musk itself already said AI is far more dangerous than nuke. So we do need to regulate this AI in my opinion

That could be way harder than it sounds. First of all, it won't be easy to clearly define what "AI" actually is and then we'd need to figure out where exactly the line should be drawn, i.e. what use of AI to allow and what to ban.
On top of all that, you have global superpowers competing for global dominance. If one country decides that using AI can help them get advantage over others, they will not hesitate to use it.

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November 18, 2023, 12:11:07 PM
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Elon Musk itself already said AI is far more dangerous than nuke. So we do need to regulate this AI in my opinion

That could be way harder than it sounds. First of all, it won't be easy to clearly define what "AI" actually is and then we'd need to figure out where exactly the line should be drawn, i.e. what use of AI to allow and what to ban.
On top of all that, you have global superpowers competing for global dominance. If one country decides that using AI can help them get advantage over others, they will not hesitate to use it.

The real problem he is describing is meant differently I think. When someone develops nuclear bombs secretly, another nation can do that as well. Take Iran as an example and there are estimations that they will have a nuclear bomb in 18 - 24 months. I can't verify these assumptions, but let's assume they are true. Then Iran would have a nuclear bomb, but that doesn't lead necessarily to the end of the world because other nations also have the nuclear bomb, which counters the threat. Of course, if this gets out of control a nuclear war would destroy planet earth, but everyone can make a decision whether to push the red button or not.

But if one nation secretly advances AI controlled "somethings" into autonomous, self-thinking and decision-making soldiers, planners, you name it, and they release this AI controlled something and then someone else tries to counter also with AI controlled "somethings", the people responsible for releasing these things may not have been able to grasp and anticipate the consequences, but by then there would be no turning back as AI may outcompete human beings in all regards. It is not only a slippery slope like with nuclear bombs, because there is always someone who can decide to not push the red button and stop the slippery slope. But AI may get to a point where it gets beyond the threshold that it requires to be fed with data externally provided by human beings, but instead they understand how to get better by sourcing their own data. This is where nobody can anymore decide to not push a button and stop the slippery slope.

I tried to write down my thought process here in a concise way and I would really appreciate some feedback on my post because I think this is a really interesting discussion we can have here. I am not claiming I am right, please take my post here just as some food for thought. Smiley

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November 18, 2023, 07:03:04 PM
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During an uncommon interview conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?
I don't understand Elon Musk. On the one hand, he warns people that if artificial intelligence is not regulated, it can get out of control and become a clear threat to the existence of all humanity. Here he is on the contrary, his words are given that if AI is not regulated, then it can become so useful that it can replace male professions.
AI can be useful in many areas, especially in the advancement of science. But at the same time, robots with AI will not be able to completely replace the participation of people, and control and certain restrictions on their activities are needed in any case. AI should not be entrusted with those areas of activity where it can cause global harm to humanity.

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November 18, 2023, 08:04:01 PM
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You can look at it that way, and be carried by the fearmongering tech giants and the billionaires who would rather use us as stepping stools than employ a more ethical and cost-effective approach at earning money, or you can see how this could pan out in the long run, and realize that if every essential work is replaced by AI, governments around the world will have no choice but to actually implement the universal basic income law, and therefore we'll get paid to just exist. Which means more ways for us to really explore what we want, and if things go well, and they often go well in the grand scheme of things, we're going to achieve perfect harmony with tech and biology, which could literally overturn the dire situation we're in right now.



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November 18, 2023, 08:56:04 PM
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Elon Musk itself already said AI is far more dangerous than nuke. So we do need to regulate this AI in my opinion

That could be way harder than it sounds. First of all, it won't be easy to clearly define what "AI" actually is and then we'd need to figure out where exactly the line should be drawn, i.e. what use of AI to allow and what to ban.
On top of all that, you have global superpowers competing for global dominance. If one country decides that using AI can help them get advantage over others, they will not hesitate to use it.

The real problem he is describing is meant differently I think. When someone develops nuclear bombs secretly, another nation can do that as well. Take Iran as an example and there are estimations that they will have a nuclear bomb in 18 - 24 months. I can't verify these assumptions, but let's assume they are true. Then Iran would have a nuclear bomb, but that doesn't lead necessarily to the end of the world because other nations also have the nuclear bomb, which counters the threat. Of course, if this gets out of control a nuclear war would destroy planet earth, but everyone can make a decision whether to push the red button or not.

But if one nation secretly advances AI controlled "somethings" into autonomous, self-thinking and decision-making soldiers, planners, you name it, and they release this AI controlled something and then someone else tries to counter also with AI controlled "somethings", the people responsible for releasing these things may not have been able to grasp and anticipate the consequences, but by then there would be no turning back as AI may outcompete human beings in all regards. It is not only a slippery slope like with nuclear bombs, because there is always someone who can decide to not push the red button and stop the slippery slope. But AI may get to a point where it gets beyond the threshold that it requires to be fed with data externally provided by human beings, but instead they understand how to get better by sourcing their own data. This is where nobody can anymore decide to not push a button and stop the slippery slope.

I tried to write down my thought process here in a concise way and I would really appreciate some feedback on my post because I think this is a really interesting discussion we can have here. I am not claiming I am right, please take my post here just as some food for thought. Smiley
Technological advancement is something which is inevitable, whether AI would be applied into these kind of areas then it could really be integrated as long it could be possible. If there's one who could be able to do so then expect that the others would really be also doing such thing on which it would really be just that very normal that they would be having that kind of approach or countermeasures. Doesnt matter if they would really be using something like AI as long it would really be something beneficial and relevant or make things way more easier and accessible then expect those kind of integrations and applications.
Some are really just that too scared or worrying on how much this world would really be able to withstand if conflicts would comes worst on every nation or country.

Lets just hope that these applications  wouldnt really be that making things getting more worst. Well, it is really just that too much of thinking about those probabilities but just like as i said
that this kind of advancement would really be that inevitable. There would really be those huge changes when it comes to this matter but in speaking about AI will put and end to work
for all people or human beings then this is something that a false thing, there are still jobs or positions which human beings are really that superior.

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November 18, 2023, 10:53:14 PM
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Technological advancement is something which is inevitable, whether AI would be applied into these kind of areas then it could really be integrated as long it could be possible. If there's one who could be able to do so then expect that the others would really be also doing such thing on which it would really be just that very normal that they would be having that kind of approach or countermeasures. Doesnt matter if they would really be using something like AI as long it would really be something beneficial and relevant or make things way more easier and accessible then expect those kind of integrations and applications.
Some are really just that too scared or worrying on how much this world would really be able to withstand if conflicts would comes worst on every nation or country.

Lets just hope that these applications  wouldnt really be that making things getting more worst. Well, it is really just that too much of thinking about those probabilities but just like as i said
that this kind of advancement would really be that inevitable. There would really be those huge changes when it comes to this matter but in speaking about AI will put and end to work
for all people or human beings then this is something that a false thing, there are still jobs or positions which human beings are really that superior.

I am hoping for positive developments and intentions all the time, but nuclear weapons are one of the best examples how a source of energy can be used for good and for evil. This is not to discuss whether nuclear energy or power plants are good, I am just saying that if it is used for generating energy only, the intention is to make things easier for everyone (not taking into account possible consequences that way of generating energy may have). But nuclear power can also be used for bombs. Whereas with knives we all know we can cut a piece of meat, we can also cut some human throats, but knives won't drive humanity into the ground. Nuclear bombs could, but it needs human beings to decide whether to launch them or not and that will never change.

But if AI advances beyond the human brain capacity while human beings naively keep believing that this is an unrealistic or even impossible scenario, there would be no turning back. I think that is what Musk is trying to say.

Your hope that everything will be used for good must be appreciated, but if anything is unlikely to become true ever, it is what you are hoping for. Things that are incredibly powerful to support human beings, but also incredibly powerful to destroy human beings, will always be used both ways.

I am not sure if it was Musk, but someone said that AI is more comparable to a virus. It will never be possible to eradicate it 100% once it has been released and spread among the population. But AI could get to a point where it is able to independently reinforce learning curves and feed itself with data that is no garbage because it will be good enough to identify supportive data that fosters its learning from garbage data.

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November 19, 2023, 12:57:04 AM
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You can look at it that way, and be carried by the fearmongering tech giants and the billionaires who would rather use us as stepping stools than employ a more ethical and cost-effective approach at earning money, or you can see how this could pan out in the long run, and realize that if every essential work is replaced by AI, governments around the world will have no choice but to actually implement the universal basic income law, and therefore we'll get paid to just exist. Which means more ways for us to really explore what we want, and if things go well, and they often go well in the grand scheme of things, we're going to achieve perfect harmony with tech and biology, which could literally overturn the dire situation we're in right now.
can't agree more with this, the fact that so many billionaire are fearmongering about AI, while so far the only thing AI has done is helping automating the most boring job out there in existence, people should know that with the presence of AI helping in various fields we as humanity might boosts our production of things by few folds imagine a world without hunger a world where the land get maximally utilized where it might even produce ten times of what we're producing in various sector then that'd be awesome and I can't imagine such scenario without the presence of AI honestly.
these billionaire fear mongery are funnily enough would be the one that adopt such efficiency of replacing workforce with robots the first so I can guess that there's some hypocrisy about the critics in regards of AI here.

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Elon Musk did say it I've found links to his interview. His article's dated for the year 2018 so it isn't new he's been saying it about AI for years.

I don't know how AI's going to be regulated because there won't be agreements like int'l nuclear treaties. It's going to be every country to make laws for their own ppl to obey. AI's dangerous if it isn't regulated we've got to prioritise the extreme possibilities of sentient AI or else we're going to face difficulties in the future.

Elon Musk itself already said AI is far more dangerous than nuke. So we do need to regulate this AI in my opinion

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AI is dangerous as alone musk say before. On a interview alone musk say one day I will capture all the market and people suffer from unemployment problem. And see this is happening in many sector AI already capture company doing there work by AI. Many people lost their work because company replace they are work by AI. Soon all work those people do manually AI will do it for company. If I huge problem if AI capture all market then there is a huge problem of unemployment.

That's true and that's an issue that needs attention. I'm also sad to see this development even though we know that the basis for the birth of AI and why it was developed was to make things easier and increase efficiency and productivity.

But, from another point of view, regarding future applications, if human work is replaced by AI, it is not a big problem if it is managed wisely. It all depends on us how to manage it if this ambition is also a time bomb.

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That could be way harder than it sounds. First of all, it won't be easy to clearly define what "AI" actually is and then we'd need to figure out where exactly the line should be drawn, i.e. what use of AI to allow and what to ban.
On top of all that, you have global superpowers competing for global dominance. If one country decides that using AI can help them get advantage over others, they will not hesitate to use it.

Well you are kinda true especially if AI gives an advantage in some countries but other countries are banning it.

Lets just hope that these applications  wouldnt really be that making things getting more worst. Well, it is really just that too much of thinking about those probabilities but just like as i said
that this kind of advancement would really be that inevitable. There would really be those huge changes when it comes to this matter but in speaking about AI will put and end to work
for all people or human beings then this is something that a false thing, there are still jobs or positions which human beings are really that superior.

But The AI is can be helpfull and can be dangerous at the same time. Is like two sides of blade

Imagine if AI has the super capability of learning with the brain of a quantum computer. 100% human will be dead hahha just like the Mission Impossible the last movie

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Elon Musk expresses a lot of his forecasts and opinions about various events taking place in the world. But not all of them are correct and not all come true. Robots with artificial intelligence will be able to provide very good assistance to humans, especially where it is necessary to very quickly analyze and compare a lot of different information. But robots will never be able to replace humans. In addition, if some ordinary work is performed by a person, then replacing it with a robot will certainly cost much more than the cost of this mechanical work by the robot itself. Therefore, there is still enough work for people. In addition, in my opinion, not all types of activities will allow robots with artificial intelligence. I don’t think that they will be allowed in areas of decision-making on which the very existence of a person will depend.

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Elon is a futuristic and you must acknowledge his accomplished a lot of them from space exploration to Ai development, So I’m definitely not surprised by his comments on said interview he like any other futuristics would have to make comments like this mostly to create a buzz around them which is why he appears on such interviews and makes such comments.
I on the other would like to bring to our notice the great disadvantage in his comments, If it eventually happens that Ai does put an end to work, How do we make a living will life needs become free will poverty be totally eradicated from human existence you see most people like Elon do not think about the effect their comments and life choices have on the public.

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There was an incident in a Japanese Ai lab that is currently being swept under by whoever click the link above to read more, We’ve seen too many movies about human creation being the end of humans I hope we can thread carefully cause there’s a thin like between playing god and being god the end result justifies it all.
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He can't predict the future. It doesn't mean it's going to happen because Elon's saying it. We know he's famous because he's the richest person in the world but believing everything he's saying isn't rational. How AI's going to affect ppl isn't known.

Elon Musk expresses a lot of his forecasts and opinions about various events taking place in the world. But not all of them are correct and not all come true. Robots with artificial intelligence will be able to provide very good assistance to humans, especially where it is necessary to very quickly analyze and compare a lot of different information. But robots will never be able to replace humans. In addition, if some ordinary work is performed by a person, then replacing it with a robot will certainly cost much more than the cost of this mechanical work by the robot itself. Therefore, there is still enough work for people. In addition, in my opinion, not all types of activities will allow robots with artificial intelligence. I don’t think that they will be allowed in areas of decision-making on which the very existence of a person will depend.

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It wont end work, it will alter the dynamics of demand and supply just like industry before now.   Theres never an end to what humans can do instead of menial tasks done previously, anything where its the same question answer or task repeated the AI should be doing that task because it is a waste of a human.  It was a waste decades ago and its a waste now, the negative is not AI finding a way to do the empty task but enabling the human to do the more useful work instead its absolutely a positive.
  Musk instead of phrasing it this way should be saying we will enable twice the work to be done, the AI only needs guidance once to start then perform the task and is able to correct itself slightly but also the human can now do far more then the AI ever could and the amount of work performed overall  in the economy by the greater revenue of both is far more productive.   There is no negative, society will gain from AI where it is a success in allowing more work to be done overall the smaller detail is its not immediately a positive with zero lead time it'll take some development imo.

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Elon Musk expresses a lot of his forecasts and opinions about various events taking place in the world. But not all of them are correct and not all come true. Robots with artificial intelligence will be able to provide very good assistance to humans, especially where it is necessary to very quickly analyze and compare a lot of different information. But robots will never be able to replace humans. In addition, if some ordinary work is performed by a person, then replacing it with a robot will certainly cost much more than the cost of this mechanical work by the robot itself. Therefore, there is still enough work for people. In addition, in my opinion, not all types of activities will allow robots with artificial intelligence. I don’t think that they will be allowed in areas of decision-making on which the very existence of a person will depend.
This thing will happen in a very, very long time. AI really has the capability to replace humans. You will notice how people's inventions are becoming more and more advanced. It says to make people lives easier, but in reality, yes, it will make people lives easier, but it can also make people lives miserable because they will have no more work, or the work force that will require humans will vanish. I like the futuristic idea, but let's remember that every good invention or advancement will also have a bad effect on people. But before that happens, we should secure our future. I personally inline myself into the technology profession so that no matter what happens, I can still survive in the industry and will not be laid off. It's all about surviving and striving. No one would help you but yourself, so take precautions and start grinding. Don't let yourself get behind.

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During an uncommon interview conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?

I respectfully disagree with the statement that AI will entirely replace human workers. While it's true that AI might automate some repetitive physical tasks, I believe it will mostly complement human workers in complex jobs. AI could act as an assistant, but it won't fully replace these positions. Instead, job responsibilities might shift as AI takes on some tasks, demanding higher-level skills and adaptation from workers. As AI becomes more prominent, it's crucial for us to continuously learn new skills and embrace change to thrive in this evolving era.

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though google replaced the need for people to buy the encyclopaedia..
google+youtube did not replace the education system(though many people do learn more efficiently from google+youtube compared to teachers sometimes)

fast forward to AI. and some things will save people money, some things will save people time. but thats evolution. thats civilisation

AI can also help create new jobs no one has had or thought about before
for instance, imagine if AI formulated a new method of doing something complex that no one was able to do before but now able to do thanks to AI. that can start a whole new industry of employment

EG imagine AI found a way to cheaply detect cancers via.. for instance resonance images of minute frequency knowledge of particle patterns. making a cheap reliable way to scan for cancers at a higher success rate. allowing people to get safely scanned quickly. would lead to more medical staff trained to see more patients efficiently so more people get regular scans as part of their annual healthchecks. rather then only scanned when they reach certain ages or start displaying symptoms.

having AI solve tasks that can make tests/checks be done so cheap and quick that people can get it done more regularly and more precisely would start increasing the demand for more regularity of checks which then increase the medical staff numbers to aid in the checks

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I respectfully disagree with the statement that AI will entirely replace human workers. While it's true that AI might automate some repetitive physical tasks, I believe it will mostly complement human workers in complex jobs. AI could act as an assistant, but it won't fully replace these positions. Instead, job responsibilities might shift as AI takes on some tasks, demanding higher-level skills and adaptation from workers. As AI becomes more prominent, it's crucial for us to continuously learn new skills and embrace change to thrive in this evolving era.
I absolutely agree with your opinion. AI cannot completely replace human labor. In some cases it won't even be cost-effective. The costs of producing and maintaining AI robots in some cases will be much higher than regular human labor.

In addition, such a robot with AI will not be able to be used everywhere, since it will not have human emotions, which are necessary for certain types of work.

It should also be taken into account that humanity will need to limit the use of robots with AI in places where, if sometimes there are failures in programs, AI can cause irreparable and significant harm to both humans and our planet as a whole. AI cannot be fully trusted in solving those problems where abuse or even simple error on the part of AI can be turned against a person.

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I respectfully disagree with the statement that AI will entirely replace human workers. While it's true that AI might automate some repetitive physical tasks, I believe it will mostly complement human workers in complex jobs. AI could act as an assistant, but it won't fully replace these positions. Instead, job responsibilities might shift as AI takes on some tasks, demanding higher-level skills and adaptation from workers. As AI becomes more prominent, it's crucial for us to continuously learn new skills and embrace change to thrive in this evolving era.

True, after all human will always be needed to tell AI what to do (or give the rough idea about what needs to be done) at the very least, not to mention that currently AI can only do all the things it could do because they learn from human. But it's also true if this emerging and growth of AI is not followed by good regulation by the government, AI will definitely make a lot of people unemployed. I am not saying limiting AI's ability in doing job, just enforcing copyright infringement to AI developer so people's work that is used to train their AI will be credited the creator will get some benefit from it.

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