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Title: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Fiatless on November 03, 2023, 03:28:19 PM
During an uncommon interview (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67302048) conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: mindrust on November 03, 2023, 03:36:49 PM
During an uncommon interview (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67302048) conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?

 I don't think AI can replace every job out there. Nursing for example can't be done by AI imo. How teh fuck AI can fix your pipe? Many jobs will be lost without a doubt but saying that there won't be any work is not realistic. AI can't even finish programming jobs. All we'll have is better (human) software engineers because they can save so much time now. I think people are overrating AI a bit too much. People said the same thing when kiosks invaded McD's but here we are, they still have many human employees taking orders. Kiosks only reduced the lines in these stores. Also these machines are not set and forget. There will always be some people doing their maintenance and they won't work for free too. Machines ain't as cost effective as people think it will.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Orpichukwu on November 03, 2023, 04:20:44 PM
This is not just a normal prediction, but the space CEO really has a point right there; this is already beginning to happen. Robots are already gradually taking over the tech industry with their programming skills, which are little to no different from what humans are doing. They have been said to be even faster at getting work done and detecting problems where there is a perfect solution for them.
 
Most companies are now replacing their customer support agents with AI's. When you call or need any assistance, the AI will be there for you, and they get things done up to some certain level. Unless the issue is now more complicated, they will redirect you to the banking sector, which is doing this right now. They now have a robot that helps them attend to customer complaints through their app or designated number.
 
How long do you think it will take them and the programmer to perfect this AI to the point where they will not be needing a human agent to get issues resolved? Currently, there are fewer people working on most companies support systems, and due to this new AI technology, many might have been transferred to other departments or fired due to their attention no longer being needed.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: macson on November 03, 2023, 04:27:07 PM
During an uncommon interview (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67302048) conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?
Of course, what Elon Musk said should not be taken lightly, currently many people are competing for a job, but when robots + AI develop further, human competitors will also increase, in the future humans must prepare themselves because several types of jobs will be available replaced by robots and AI, and actually, we cannot stop this, currently what we have to think about is a way out so that humans can still get money to meet their daily needs later, and cryptocurrency is actually the answer, but we have to develop it deeper.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: freedomgo on November 03, 2023, 04:37:48 PM
Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.


That's quite biased coming from him, as he would naturally have a positive view of his project since he owns an AI company. While we can't deny that AI can handle tasks that don't require human involvement, it's unlikely to completely replace people in the workforce. However, we need to embrace these changes and the best approach is not to complain, but to enhance our skills so we aren't left behind in terms of opportunities, because AI is capable of handling some of our tasks.

We appreciate that AI is making our work easier. However, we may not be aware that if we rely entirely on AI, it could replace our jobs. So, even though Elon's statement might be exaggerated, we should think about this chance. We need to find ways to avoid negative consequences when AI becomes more prevalent.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: franky1 on November 03, 2023, 04:46:17 PM
I don't think AI can replace every job out there. Nursing for example can't be done by AI imo. How teh fuck AI can fix your pipe? Many jobs will be lost without a doubt but saying that there won't be any work is not realistic. AI can't even finish programming jobs. All we'll have is better (human) software engineers because they can save so much time now. I think people are overrating AI a bit too much. People said the same thing when kiosks invaded McD's but here we are, they still have many human employees taking orders. Kiosks only reduced the lines in these stores. Also these machines are not set and forget. There will always be some people doing their maintenance and they won't work for free too. Machines ain't as cost effective as people think it will.

imagine a machine that uses the full light spectrum on a camera to see a patients vein and uses a robotic arm that doesnt shake or slip with a 0.001mm precision to put a canular in a vein and then knows precise dosages to pump into the patient

imagine a machine that can see plumbing and and can scan the piping to know what replacement is needed and cut and fit it with robotic arms

when most programs are just a jumble of pre existing commands/functions/api's and engines with a bit of custom code to link it all together. AI can certainly do more in less time to turn code into game storyline

those McD's kiosks may look complicated. but just attach motorised wheels underneath and they can self remove themselves from public space and a replacement drives into its spot when one fails. McD's are already working on robot chefs..

did you know that all them ready meal burgers(90second microwave) are 90% cooked and packaged at a factory are not cooked and packaged by humans. McD's just has to emulate the mass production factories, but on a individual scale where they just cook til finished rather than stop at 90%.. self cleaning toilets is a thing too. as are roomba's and other floor cleaning robots

if you think that the mcD's kiosks, roomba's are hand built by humans.. you might want to look at a electronics factory. machines build those kiosks


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Don Pedro Dinero on November 03, 2023, 04:46:45 PM
<...> do you think we should take him seriously?

In this respect, I agree with freedomgo:

That's quite biased coming from him, as he would naturally have a positive view of his project since he owns an AI company.

To begin with, if what someone tells you coincides with their economic interest, it should raise suspicions. It is clear that AI is already causing a change in the labour market. At the very least it will make jobs disappear and change the way others are done, but it remains to be seen whether all human labour will disappear or not, and in any case it will not happen overnight. If the change is very radical and many people become unemployed, a universal basic income will eventually be introduced.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: philipma1957 on November 03, 2023, 04:54:14 PM
During an uncommon interview (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67302048) conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?

The article was interesting but they are using lots of smoke and mirrors.

There was a remake of battlestar galatica around 2004. In it there are ai robots that appear to be human in everyway. I do not think we will get there more likely we will die before that.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Smartvirus on November 03, 2023, 05:10:12 PM
The world of business has always pivoted about reducing cost of production or rendering a service with regards to maximizing profit.
With AI stepping into the scenes, it cuts across payment of salaries/wages to staff while spending a few $ on maintenance. Although, some AI are just programs within the system and as well, cuts the human effort that would have been needed in taking note of critical data and its analysis.

The fine line of cost of production or acquiring some of these AI and the need for a human interaction has been some of the maintained distance between having these AIs flooded in various fields but then, it’s sure to harm the lab out market if allowed to be the other of the day. Not everyone is meant to be CEOs and we can’t all be in the civil service job.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: tabas on November 03, 2023, 05:28:32 PM
He may be correct about humanoids being friends to the people that struggles to have friends in real life. Since they'll just be programmed to be friendly with their serving master and will be considered it as their friend for interaction. But with several sectors that employs people, I don't think that AI will replace them. Let's say that there have been helpful technologies that will to increase the production and accuracy of a company but some certain jobs can't be replaced. Maybe he's just too futuristic at all and not everything he says will happen and are correct. That's still based on what he think is approaching in the nearest future but still, we're still humans and I don't believe those movies that AIs or robots will go beyond human's thinking.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Eternad on November 03, 2023, 05:33:35 PM
These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?
Even a simple machine without AI already removed tons of job opportunities from human especially on factory which manpower is needed. Heavy Machines makes a lot of people not needed for the job since it’s more efficient. I believe his prediction on AI effect in the future has some merit on it considering how human become more lazy due to technological advancement.

I doubt robot can replace human in terms of socialization problem but AI technology might dominate the manpower industry especially the call center area and other work that can be done through the use of internet as source.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: South Park on November 03, 2023, 05:46:54 PM
During an uncommon interview (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67302048) conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?
That is a real possibility even if I think we will still need a few decades before that happens, but it is surely coming, however I do not think you can stop it, a business owner has the incentive to reduce costs in order to boost their profits, and without a doubt AI and robotics will be cheaper than human labor, however what to do when that happens? Charge a massive amount of taxes to those business and create Universal Basic Income for everyone? I do not know but that could be an alternative once that happens.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Abu-Naim on November 03, 2023, 06:13:07 PM

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?
AI is a threat to workers as they are already doing people’s jobs and their perfection is almost 100% compare to human as they do no error and work as programmed.

If people keep using AI, they will find the use of AI very easy and more cheaper than employing human because working with human have some disadvantages which include human error, theft and others.
AI work is good but will make humans to lose their jobs and most people who work for pay do depend on that money to feed their family.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: avikz on November 03, 2023, 06:13:50 PM
During an uncommon interview (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67302048) conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?

I can't really disagree to Elon's statement. There will be many jobs that AI can't replace. But there are many jobs as well, where AI will eventually replace humans. Especially those jobs, which are repetitive in nature. For example accounting! I have personally led a team to automate the entire bank reconciliation process for a large international travel company in the past. Now that entire function of bank reconciliation is just manned by one very experienced person who check the contras thrown by the system. Which used to be a department, is now manned by only one person.

So there will be many jobs that will get eventually replaced by AI in future. So I feel a strong urge to regulate AI. Elon is a visionary. I wouldn't dare to take his words lightly.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: DVlog on November 03, 2023, 06:15:32 PM
If AI can replace the human labor force then let it be. We will create other job categories where AI can not be used. It seems impossible to some people but just think AI was also impossible to imagine in the 18th century. So you will never know how things are going to evolve.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?

I don't know about others but I am taking him seriously. If a car can drive on its own and Alexa can book an appointment for you with your doctor then it is also possible that a humanoid machine will work on the field, mine, or in factories. I don't think we need to be concerned about it. I think this will boost our production rate and work efficiency. Our economy will create other job opportunities that can not be done by AI. It is not possible to 100% depend on AI. 


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Captain Corporate on November 03, 2023, 06:20:39 PM
He talks about the future as if its about to happen but this isn't something that can happen during the lifetime of his child. I mean not at least when he is a child, could be true when that child is old, but I do not think that it would be much of a help. All that "I robot" type of things are not happening anytime soon, neither AI nor humanoid robots could takeover anything for decades and decades, they are at infancy stages, humanoid robots not even that. So we are just going to have to accept the fact that we will have to keep on working for our life, maybe our grandchildren will be luckier than us, or maybe even their children, but not us, we will keep on working until we retire for sure.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Renampun on November 03, 2023, 06:51:01 PM
He talks about the future as if its about to happen but this isn't something that can happen during the lifetime of his child. I mean not at least when he is a child, could be true when that child is old, but I do not think that it would be much of a help. All that "I robot" type of things are not happening anytime soon, neither AI nor humanoid robots could takeover anything for decades and decades, they are at infancy stages, humanoid robots not even that. So we are just going to have to accept the fact that we will have to keep on working for our life, maybe our grandchildren will be luckier than us, or maybe even their children, but not us, we will keep on working until we retire for sure.

I can't imagine what will happen to our children and grandchildren when humanoid robots become perfect and live side by side with humans, it will definitely be an extraordinary and tense experience, however I agree with you that the thing that Elon Musk is afraid of is probably will happen in the next few decades and until now there are many big companies competing to develop their own robots, including Elon Musk himself, what I'm quite surprised about is Elon Musk insinuating about robots and AI which he is actually also developing lol.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Twentyonepaylots on November 03, 2023, 06:55:02 PM
It is such a complex topic to talk about, it is indeed true that AI we can see the massive help of AI on every industry but we've got so much to learn about AI whether it could replace all of our work. Yes, AI does a great job in automating tasks and most of our jobs but there are some things that AI can't do especially with jobs that suggests or may need a very sharp decision making. We have seen AI enhancing what we created, thus giving us more ideas and creative innovation but I don't think that this is enough to conclude that it will end our working power. What I see in the future is a collaboration of humans and AI, unfortunately it is inevitably to affect the employment rate of one's country because human+AI is less work.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: ZAINmalik75 on November 03, 2023, 07:21:23 PM
During an uncommon interview (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67302048) conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?
A lot of topics have been made to discuss this issue, but from all of them, I learned that AI cannot replace humans, no matter how efficient they are, how complex they are, how easy they are, or how obeying they are. It does not matter to humans; they can't have feelings, they can't sense fear or the terror of death, and they can't have the instinct to survive in disasters like humans do.

I don't think Elon is some guy who has full information or ideas about AI and how it can replace humans, but I do agree that he has seen things we don't, he must have experienced technologies we haven't even heard about. But in the end, AI is just a program that is designed and manufactured by humans and will need maintenance and grading.

And do you really think that the friend or ROBO friend that Elon is suggesting to have for his son will be a genuine one? Will that robo friend keep all the secrets safe and not share them with the dad Elon? That robot friend will be a spy, not a friend.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Miles2006 on November 03, 2023, 07:22:37 PM
there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant.
Even if this is possible, even if robots wants to take over human services, of which it can never be possible why?
Not all companies can afford robots for service, even in this digital dispensation some people will not be part of the modern technology. Even if this is possible is there any need.
First let's be realistic can Robots take over humans services, robots are only programmed to carry some certain task not all task, secondly humans are always cooperative so when it comes to task that needs group of people to accomplish a particular aim how can robots fulfill those task.

I see no reason comparing an artificial made with humans, despite the digital world where every companies and organization wants to be part of all this new technology and robots saying robots service are the best, fast and accurate good no doubt but how sure we can trust these robots to carry out task


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: milewilda on November 03, 2023, 07:22:47 PM
During an uncommon interview (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67302048) conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?

 I don't think AI can replace every job out there. Nursing for example can't be done by AI imo. How teh fuck AI can fix your pipe? Many jobs will be lost without a doubt but saying that there won't be any work is not realistic. AI can't even finish programming jobs. All we'll have is better (human) software engineers because they can save so much time now. I think people are overrating AI a bit too much. People said the same thing when kiosks invaded McD's but here we are, they still have many human employees taking orders. Kiosks only reduced the lines in these stores. Also these machines are not set and forget. There will always be some people doing their maintenance and they won't work for free too. Machines ain't as cost effective as people think it will.
Yes, there would really be specific sectors or industries on which it cant really be that completely be replaced by AI which does simply means that human work or engagement would really be that relevance considering that there's no other superior things that could beat up human beings in terms of assessment on certain conditions specially on making those crucial decisions which it would really be that something that could neither be beneficial or not on the said situation on which there's no AI could be able to do so. This is why it wont really be completely be ending up all the works that we are really that having currently. Somewhat i do really
agree that with AI integration or its existence itself would really be that giving that huge benefit and convenience considering that everything would really be in automation.

Everything would really be having that seamless work or almost instant way on which it is really that more efficient than on a casual worker but we shouldn't really be removing the
fact that in every pros, there's some notable cons with it but i do see that the benefit or advantage do really outweighs its issues or cons which it isnt really that
bad if we do make out that kind of integration on different industries and as long it would really be that beneficial to human kind then thats what it really counts.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: topbitcoin on November 03, 2023, 08:33:24 PM
During an uncommon interview (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67302048) conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?

With the presence of AI, of course this can provide certain benefits and can help and make it easier for us to do our work. However, AI not only brings benefits but also comes with threats. And one of the threats from the presence of AI is the potential replacement or loss of human jobs, especially in the manufacturing, banking and service sectors. So that people who work in this sector are threatened with layoffs which results in the number of unemployed continuing to increase.

And in responding to this problem, however, we cannot go against the development of the times "and will only die silly if we have to collide with such a big wave." But we also can't just sit around without doing anything. Before we completely lose the job we are enjoying now, prepare yourself to face all the possibilities that will happen in our lives, one of which is by continuing to increase our creativity and abilities so that we can have jobs that cannot be replaced by AI. And several observers have indicated that there are several types of jobs that cannot be replaced by AI, including; Artists, politicians, health workers, engineers, athletes and farmers. So before AI completely replaces our jobs, make sure that we have mastered one of the jobs that cannot be replaced by AI so that we always have the income to survive in an era full of challenges and threats.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: stomachgrowls on November 03, 2023, 08:43:16 PM
During an uncommon interview (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67302048) conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?

With the presence of AI, of course this can provide certain benefits and can help and make it easier for us to do our work. However, AI not only brings benefits but also comes with threats. And one of the threats from the presence of AI is the potential replacement or loss of human jobs, especially in the manufacturing, banking and service sectors. So that people who work in this sector are threatened with layoffs which results in the number of unemployed continuing to increase.

And in responding to this problem, however, we cannot go against the development of the times "and will only die silly if we have to collide with such a big wave." But we also can't just sit around without doing anything. Before we completely lose the job we are enjoying now, prepare yourself to face all the possibilities that will happen in our lives, one of which is by continuing to increase our creativity and abilities so that we can have jobs that cannot be replaced by AI. And several observers have indicated that there are several types of jobs that cannot be replaced by AI, including; Artists, politicians, health workers, engineers, athletes and farmers. So before AI completely replaces our jobs, make sure that we have mastered one of the jobs that cannot be replaced by AI so that we always have the income to survive in an era full of challenges and threats.
Tons of people would really be jobless since AI would really be taking over and this is something that we dont really like to hear but we know that advancement is really that inevitable on which means that in case if this one happens then there's no other choice but to find for another job on which we do see that we could really be able to fit out. This is why if you are currently on a certain field of work on which you do see
that it does have potential to be replaced with some AI integration then it would be wise that you should really be that already prepared for possible things to happen in the future.
This is why it would really be that recommended that you do have your own business or investment so that on the time that you are been fired off or laid off then you arent that scared
since you know that you could really make yourself that able to survive even if it would happens.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: goaldigger on November 03, 2023, 09:57:31 PM
AI might offer a more advanced technology but I think it can’t totally replace the work force though there are some industry that are more prone to this but if you are working in the industry that you think is still need human then you should not be worried about this and stop stressing yourself. Technology is growing so fast and this is beyond our control, if AI is here to help hoping that the working industry will not be affected that much and we will still benefit from this AI thing.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Bananington on November 03, 2023, 10:19:48 PM
There's really no need to panic with such a news, because even if properly estimated, it would take years before AI is well adopted and allowed to substitute for human capital or workforce. Not every country is as technologically advanced as the U.S. with Bitcoin still making a scene since 2009, I am still confident in the fact that it would take good number of years for such a statement from Elon Musk to even have a head.



Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: oktana on November 03, 2023, 10:55:42 PM
Future AI predictions and how they will affect employment are very speculative. Though it's true that AI has the potential to automate certain tasks and jobs, history has shown us that new technologies often lead to the creation of new industries and jobs, rather than complete job elimination. And even in cases where automation does replace certain repetitive (or routine tasks), there are usually new opportunities that arise, requiring human creativity, empathy, and problem-solving skills. For example, empathy is not something you can get from AI.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: bettercrypto on November 03, 2023, 11:22:42 PM
During an uncommon interview (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67302048) conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?

It is possible to create fear, but only for people who have no knowledge and are not aware of what is being discussed in that matter. I personally don't agree with that either, then you know Elon Musk's style, he won't speak if he knows it won't benefit him.

Also, AI is not able to do everything that a natural person does when working, that's where AI no longer exists in emotion, in which means AI no longer covers or knows whether something is right or wrong, just what it is It will only do that as programmed.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Churchillvv on November 03, 2023, 11:45:01 PM
AI will put an end to work, Space CEO Elon musk has committed a fallacy of petitio principi (begging the question) because there will still be work but the only fact is Ai's will reduce the work rate in a high level. I don't believe Ai can take over every industry it has only specific areas where it can be of high effect. Humans created this robots and in the cost of creating new robots more people will still be employed to produce this same robots.

The biggest defeat of humans on Ai is rationality, this automated machines are not rational in  thinking infact they respond to issues based on what has been programmed in them. I also believe that is a matter of future as my people do say " when one door closes another door opens"  that means no matter what happens in this future of AIs there will always be a solution to what ever problem.

Therefore, this is just an awareness that has been created by the this tech guru just to keep us all prepared so we can create something more difficult for Ai's to handle. I see it as a challenge that has been thrown to our faces that we should tighten our belts and be more creative.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: STT on November 03, 2023, 11:46:03 PM
Elon is trying to extrapolate the extremes of what is possible.   He no doubt wants to reside on Mars one day within his own lifetime, in theory it might be possible just I dont think before he passes away from the fatal limitations that humanity has.
    AI he is probably not especially incorrect either that it could be a vital part of what moves us towards a substantially different economy type, just like modern service industry is very different from our common agrarian origins to society.   A large part of his scenario is something close to free power, fusion nuclear power I think.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: blue Snow on November 04, 2023, 12:05:43 AM
What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?
Sometimes, Elon Musk says the truth, and sometimes is not. We don't have to believe 100% or take him seriously about what he said. Because he's just a businessman where every word that comes out of his mouth must make him profit. If I were you, I would enjoy it because he is like an entertainer who has a large social media to play the victim. I wonder, usually, he will talk about crypto which he should understand the current moment, but until today he still calm down. I have think he bought it secretly, and start talking about it after halving. so what does he say now is just to divert the issue.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: TakeItEasy on November 04, 2023, 01:47:59 AM
During an uncommon interview (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67302048) conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?

As we all know that if a thing which we use has some benefits then we must understand that this thing will also have some drawbacks too. In the same case with AI, as mostly AI make works easier for the individual and almost all this online work are done through the AI, as I use the word Almost not all, so we can have a look at this matter, if a person is doing everything through the AI, then he will be much lazy and nothing he will do by himself, he will also look for AI.

Also, if a person was addicted to use AI, then he must have to work through AI, because addiction is a little bad. And also if do things in limit then it helps us but crossing the limit may be dangerous and it is. Also, if the AI, stops the person who is addicted to the AI, how could he will side himself from these things. I think it should be take note of especially for the young generation who have also a good talent yet.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Darker45 on November 04, 2023, 02:21:16 AM
At times we probably should take Elon seriously; at times we shouldn't. And, at times, we cannot easily tell whether we should take him seriously or not.

Surely, there will be jobs which will be replaced by AI, and it's better that way. It makes our lives easier and more convenient. But it doesn't mean AI will put an end to work. I don't think robots can replace all human labors, all sense of human reason and logic, and so on.

Being somebody who's into space exploration, does Elon Musk believe that AI and robots alone can send the first humans to Mars?


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on November 04, 2023, 02:24:00 AM
Well, whether the truth is what he said or not, I practically don't think I will still be on earth when robotics will totally be in control of all human jobs. Ok, let's assume it happens any time sooner. Then it will equally shift humans to a new area of work. Since it is now going to be a robotic ear, everyone will be technology wise; there will be more computer engineers and programmers. If humans are out of work, how will they get paid or how will they make a living?, and where will they earn from? Something must be done during that time; humans will have new roles to play. That's what I believe.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: electronicash on November 04, 2023, 03:06:28 AM

companies will struggle still when time comes they only implement robots in the production. humans are more sophisticated than AIs more capable in doing stuff. terrible thing that AI was released in the time when governments are trying to make everyone poor due to inflation and then with AI, people are also going jobless.

humans are resilient though, thses AIs will be no match when people are going to revolt against the machines.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: JunaidAzizi on November 04, 2023, 03:15:04 AM
During an uncommon interview (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67302048) conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google, and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in the future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?
Yeah, I agree with him, recently I did a post in my local thread about this do you think that AI is a threat to human beings? Elon Musk said many times that AI is far more dangerous for humans. We cannot neglect its ability and its advancement which are increasing day by day. In today's era, the whole universe is almost filled with robots everyone and every company wants to add robots in the field work which will engulf the jobs of humans if everyone wants to add then what will humans do? They have more knowledge having more techniques than humans but I am afraid of their negative side what if they are out of control, a person saying to me that the tech industry trying to put feelings in AI so that they will like humans and never do the wrong thing and my reply to him is ooh really if they act like human beings they are more dangerous they will kill humans to save their race etc etc


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: legendbtc on November 04, 2023, 09:13:33 AM
During an uncommon interview (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67302048) conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google, and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in the future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?
Yeah, I agree with him, recently I did a post in my local thread about this do you think that AI is a threat to human beings? Elon Musk said many times that AI is far more dangerous for humans. We cannot neglect its ability and its advancement which are increasing day by day. In today's era, the whole universe is almost filled with robots everyone and every company wants to add robots in the field work which will engulf the jobs of humans if everyone wants to add then what will humans do? They have more knowledge having more techniques than humans but I am afraid of their negative side what if they are out of control, a person saying to me that the tech industry trying to put feelings in AI so that they will like humans and never do the wrong thing and my reply to him is ooh really if they act like human beings they are more dangerous they will kill humans to save their race etc etc

It must be admitted that AI is developing very quickly and it is likely that it will replace humans in some fields, especially manual, heavy jobs. But to say that it will completely replace humans in all fields is impossible. The world cannot exist with only machines and machines. Furthermore, I don't think the world will fall into a scenario like Marvell's fantasy films, that's quite far from us. It will not be possible for robots to have emotions and take over our planet. Humans are smarter than robots or anything else in this world, it is humans who create AI and robots, not them who create humans.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: vv181 on November 04, 2023, 09:20:51 AM
We need to accept that technology innovation in one way or another will tremendously benefit the humanity. In the sense of what we usually do can be automated or even completed by an artificial intelligence. The question is how probable it is, and when is the time to achieve that kind milestone. What I mean by probable which any sector of works that strictly needs human intervention.

But in regards of human companionship in the context of his sons having social difficulties, I think this rather depressing. No matter how perfect or brilliant the results of artificial intelligence development, I do not think it will be able to replace an intimate human relationship.

So, instead of focusing too much about what humanity should be doing in the event of the case came true, I think we rather should encourage the development of AI itself, and rather force the humanity to adapt to any upcoming difficulties in the way of humanity should be progresses.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: DabsPoorVersion on November 04, 2023, 09:41:12 AM
During an uncommon interview (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67302048) conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google, and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in the future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?
Yeah, I agree with him, recently I did a post in my local thread about this do you think that AI is a threat to human beings? Elon Musk said many times that AI is far more dangerous for humans. We cannot neglect its ability and its advancement which are increasing day by day. In today's era, the whole universe is almost filled with robots everyone and every company wants to add robots in the field work which will engulf the jobs of humans if everyone wants to add then what will humans do? They have more knowledge having more techniques than humans but I am afraid of their negative side what if they are out of control, a person saying to me that the tech industry trying to put feelings in AI so that they will like humans and never do the wrong thing and my reply to him is ooh really if they act like human beings they are more dangerous they will kill humans to save their race etc etc

It must be admitted that AI is developing very quickly and it is likely that it will replace humans in some fields, especially manual, heavy jobs. But to say that it will completely replace humans in all fields is impossible. The world cannot exist with only machines and machines. Furthermore, I don't think the world will fall into a scenario like Marvell's fantasy films, that's quite far from us. It will not be possible for robots to have emotions and take over our planet. Humans are smarter than robots or anything else in this world, it is humans who create AI and robots, not them who create humans.
Exactly. Even how fast AI development, AI will never replace humans especially if the work needs manual intervention. AI was created and can function based on the inputted data, other than that, they won't function properly as AI does not have the ability due to the limited data it received. AI was created to complement human ability and intelligence, humans still needed for AI to function.



Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Fiatless on November 04, 2023, 09:48:49 AM

AI is a threat to workers as they are already doing people’s jobs and their perfection is almost 100% compare to human as they do no error and work as programmed.

If people keep using AI, they will find the use of AI very easy and more cheaper than employing human because working with human have some disadvantages which include human error, theft and others.
AI work is good but will make humans to lose their jobs and most people who work for pay do depend on that money to feed their family.

I also think that customers don't only want convenient and fast services. People need human interaction and relationship. I feel good when a bank cashier is concerned about my facial expression and ask what's wrong. Man is a social animal and will always crave for inter-human interaction because machines can never be humans.

did you know that all them ready meal burgers(90second microwave) are 90% cooked and packaged at a factory are not cooked and packaged by humans. McD's just has to emulate the mass production factories, but on a individual scale where they just cook til finished rather than stop at 90%.. self cleaning toilets is a thing too. as are roomba's and other floor cleaning robots

if you think that the mcD's kiosks, roomba's are hand built by humans.. you might want to look at a electronics factory. machines build those kiosks
McDonald's have been one of the first fortune 500 company that adopted artificial intelligence when they acquired the Israeli digital startup Dynamic Yield for $300 million. I read about McDonald's AI revolution that is happening in mainly in the US where you can find a highly automated restaurants. This kind of AI powered became necessary because of the bans on indoor dining due to COVID-19. But these automation systems are more expensive than human employees. So I don't think these machines can totally replace human.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Despairo on November 04, 2023, 09:57:07 AM
If AI/robot can become a doctor, business owner, pilot, driver or engineer, it's true if AI will take over every jobs.

Above jobs I mentioned are need situational decision because the situation and condition are always changing. Maybe AI/robot could do that in the future since technology always improving, but in our generations, I could say we're safe.

The AI/robot need to have a very good sensory and tons of codes to have every decisions in different situation and condition.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Gozie51 on November 04, 2023, 10:15:53 AM

And even in cases where automation does replace certain repetitive (or routine tasks), there are usually new opportunities that arise, requiring human creativity, empathy, and problem-solving skills. For example, empathy is not something you can get from AI.

You have well observed this lacuna in AI technology and that has been identified by the neuroscience even though I have read that they are working on that to at least have a mimic version of human emotion. This I don't believe is perfectly achievable because it will all confirm the fake version of the original.

Well musk might be laying his staff off while replacing them with AI because they could be perfect for his kind of investment but definitely not for all spheres of live.

He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends.

He should tell his son to think like a human being and not a robot then certain he would attract his likes. Human have blood, feelings and emotion, feels empathy and happy at a point but robots lack those.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: stadus on November 04, 2023, 10:24:52 AM
If AI/robot can become a doctor, business owner, pilot, driver or engineer, it's true if AI will take over every jobs.

Above jobs I mentioned are need situational decision because the situation and condition are always changing. Maybe AI/robot could do that in the future since technology always improving, but in our generations, I could say we're safe.

The AI/robot need to have a very good sensory and tons of codes to have every decisions in different situation and condition.


But this should only be limited as it's impossible that AI will replace human in the working field. You know, the population increases in a daily basis...., as according to https://www.theworldcounts.com/challenges/planet-earth/state-of-the-planet/world-population-clock-live

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The World Population is growing by over 200,000 people a day

If AI continues to be the main thing, it could lead to a problem called underemployment. That's not good because it can cause significant issues, such as more crime due to people not having enough work and going hungry. This wouldn't make the world a better place to live.

So, let's not worry too much. AI is going to stay, and it's very helpful. But it would be a problem if the people who make AI end up taking away jobs from humans and causing them to struggle.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: inthelongrun on November 04, 2023, 11:53:43 AM
I am not a fan of Elon Musk but obviously, a lot of us can say the same. AI will not only grow in the future but it also develop into something big which will become a necessity just like the internet. AI will continue to replace human workers but not the entirety of course but it could take most of the jobs in the future.

I am not worried for myself. But people should seriously start being more responsible in starting a family. Children in the future will have a harder time getting jobs without having college degrees. People in the future should stop relying on the hope of getting a job outside their country because most of these rich countries are the ones to start using AI.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: DeathAngel on November 04, 2023, 12:35:08 PM
It won’t put an end to all work but a large number of occupations could be done by AI. Obviously physical jobs like neighbourhood garbage disposal teams can’t be done by AI but clerical jobs can be undertaken by computer systems. I think AI is a brilliant innovation that can really help humanity but there is a fine like between helping & hindering. I think we need to be very careful with how far AI can go, how far it is pushed.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: puloweh555 on November 04, 2023, 01:58:04 PM
These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?
AI can clearly be both beneficial and detrimental, I think the gap is significant. AI can really make things easier for humans, especially work, on the other hand, it is very dangerous if used for crime. I once watched Elon in an interview on TV, he even said that AI is more dangerous than nuclear if controlled by bad people. In essence, AI can be programmed to be more evil and it can be programmed to be better. it depends on who makes it, for good or for evil.

The main danger of AI is that rich people no longer need ordinary people, everything can be done with a few factory workers using AI, soldiers need AI and drones, police and others are also the same. I think it must be taken seriously, indeed AI cannot replace humans, but what if it is used by bad people?


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: uswa56 on November 04, 2023, 02:18:42 PM
These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?
AI can clearly be both beneficial and detrimental, I think the gap is significant. AI can really make things easier for humans, especially work, on the other hand, it is very dangerous if used for crime. I once watched Elon in an interview on TV, he even said that AI is more dangerous than nuclear if controlled by bad people. In essence, AI can be programmed to be more evil and it can be programmed to be better. it depends on who makes it, for good or for evil.

The main danger of AI is that rich people no longer need ordinary people, everything can be done with a few factory workers using AI, soldiers need AI and drones, police and others are also the same. I think it must be taken seriously, indeed AI cannot replace humans, but what if it is used by bad people?
That is the current problem so that many parties do not agree with the development of AI because it has the potential for many negative things to happen when it is misused and there are also many parties who will suffer losses, especially workers, although on the other hand, factory entrepreneurs and others can take advantage of it. more effectively than human work.

In fact, AI may replace humans in certain places, but currently there are still many pros and cons, so AI development is not very fast because there are still people who reject it.
Personally, I don't agree that AI will replace human jobs.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: shield132 on November 04, 2023, 02:26:59 PM
During an uncommon interview (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67302048) conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?
If AI can work instead of humans and humans will be able to spend their time freely instead of working, why is that bad? But if there is no need of human involvement in work, then that can really become a problem because if humans won't be occupied with job, violence may increase or humans will only prioritize to get max pleasure and that is the moment when population will shrink because its a well known fact that people in developed countries where salaries are high, tend to born less children than those who live in poor countries.
In one of his interview, he also said that he believes there were nations before us, those who build pyramids and they all died. He said that he thinks humans will die too but he hopes we will live as long as possible. His prediction is probably right because right now we are entering the era of artificial intelligence, an era where robots can work instead of humans. It has pros and cons but increased development also leads to other increased risks that I already talked about.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Huppercase on November 04, 2023, 02:43:59 PM
I am not a fan of Elon Musk but obviously, a lot of us can say the same. AI will not only grow in the future but it also develop into something big which will become a necessity just like the internet. AI will continue to replace human workers but not the entirety of course but it could take most of the jobs in the future.

I am not worried for myself. But people should seriously start being more responsible in starting a family. Children in the future will have a harder time getting jobs without having college degrees. People in the future should stop relying on the hope of getting a job outside their country because most of these rich countries are the ones to start using AI.

In as much as I think Artificial intelligence is growing rapidly over the internet, I still think it will remain within the reach of internet. AI only has the knowledge of what is been programmed into his system, AI can't do without human as well. What I think AI is going to do for human is to help reduce efforts and time spent in doing or carrying out works that we do.

If a doctor spent 13 hours a day for research, AI will help him in doing research to reduce that time to 6 - 7 hours of time to do his research, but as I said AI cannot exist on their own, they need the help of intelligent men to built this, without them understanding the nature of human, it cannot be established or program into this machine that can help humans.

However, I'm concerned about how lazy people will become if they depend on this AI of a thing. People now use AI to write articles, do research and also assignment and this is going to a challenge because it will make student become too lazy to do things on their own. Imagine having a graduate who use AI to write an article throughout his entire time in school can't write it by himself after graduation. Who is going to impact real knowledge to the younger generations. Real Education will die with the revolution of AI.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: btc78 on November 04, 2023, 03:19:25 PM
Not every country is as technologically advanced as the U.S.

good point, even if ai were to replace all humans in the workforce it will take a really long time for less developed countries to have ai operating as effectively as ai in say first world countries ai wouldn’t be cost-friendly so countries or companies would really have to invest a huge amount of their money to have ai working compared to if they just hired employees who could just be as good as ai

i’d say that there is a possibility for ai to replace at least 60% of humans in the workforce although that’s still far in the future ai still can’t generate art with precise details or create images that seem natural

ai can not read social cues or empathize like humans do so for sure there will still be plenty of jobs, especially those that require human interaction, left for well… humans.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: philipma1957 on November 04, 2023, 03:22:22 PM
So lets say a quality robot gets made and we as humans no longer need to work.

We all can't be artists what would we do with our spare time?

Most likely we would fuck up and hurt ourselves and others. For most of us timing in our self-esteem to our job has been the normal thing to do. I would think many people would simply drink or drug themselves into a stupor.

So we then have 1 or 2 billion stoners wandering around that used to work. The job kept them out of trouble.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: kryptqnick on November 04, 2023, 03:46:51 PM
Elon Musk's opinion doesn't mean anything to me, but let's discuss the topic itself. AI is pretty disruptive and exciting, but even Elon Musk doesn't say AI will put an end to jobs. In the video clip, he says people would be able to do jobs for self-satisfaction, but not out of necessity, so it's not a gloomy prediction, really.
If there's no need for people to work, it doesn't mean people will be poor. If robots generate wealth, it can simply be distributed among the people. Also, I honestly don't think that will happen in the near future. New technologies tend to create new kinds of jobs, not just take the previous ones. And there are still lots of jobs AI can't perform nearly as good as human specialists, despite all the progress we've seen. So I don't think we'll see that world where all jobs can be done by robots/AI and humans only work out of desire within our lifetimes.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: lizarder on November 04, 2023, 04:39:51 PM
I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.
In general, it may not replace humans en masse, but it will limit humans due to the presence of sophisticated AI tools in certain jobs. Elon Musk is crazy about developing something he wants and he is not the typical person who likes to give up when he fails. In fact, he failed several times on the rocket project built by SpaceX, but that didn't stop his intention to develop it and the series of businesses he developed will definitely become pilot projects. So I still think this is a crazy project that he wants to develop successfully and he will not stop at the small failures experienced.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?
I saw this long before Elon Musk said it. For example, in the agricultural sector, which used to use traditional methods which were done using human power, but now many have been replaced by machines so that many people have lost their jobs in this sector. There are times when we need to take this matter much more seriously because in technological developments nothing is impossible, it's just that we will wait for the time to come.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: JunaidAzizi on November 04, 2023, 04:42:22 PM
It must be admitted that AI is developing very quickly and it is likely that it will replace humans in some fields, especially manual, heavy jobs. But to say that it will completely replace humans in all fields is impossible. The world cannot exist with only machines and machines. Furthermore, I don't think the world will fall into a scenario like Marvell's fantasy films, that's quite far from us. It will not be possible for robots to have emotions and take over our planet. Humans are smarter than robots or anything else in this world, it is humans who create AI and robots, not them who create humans.
Yeah, I know that AI bots are not filled with emotions to deal with related things but it's true that they can take care of some sort of things. And it is also true that we made them but it's not like a chemical reaction which causes disease and for its containment we made medicines. We are talking about AI robots which are smarter than humans, but if they are out of control and they know everything because of knowledge and access how we can control them what will we do? Today I watched a video with a caption that horses are the first ones who lose their job because of AI. Below I am giving the link of that video so you can easily watch how AI can replace things.

Video Link
https://www.facebook.com/mohibullah45/videos/3646489445635311/


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Mame89 on November 04, 2023, 05:09:02 PM
Sometimes technological developments cannot be stopped, so we have to keep up with developments. In my opinion, AI can be said to be a complement to being more productive. For those involved in digital marketing and digital writing, it is very helpful. because it must also be instilled in our mindset. AI is not a substitute for human creativity, but it still requires human creativity.

AI cannot replace humans, but it can streamline the workforce in companies and if everyone uses AI, small businesses will go bankrupt. In my opinion, not everything is done by AI and there are some parts that AI cannot do. The development of AI is still very far away so there is no need to be too afraid of the development of AI as a substitute for human work.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: panganib999 on November 04, 2023, 05:14:45 PM
Yes it will put an end to work but the poverty would still be there, what Elon's trying to say is that AI will replace a large number of workers which is going to benefit the companies because with more AI on the workforce, the less people working on the company they're going to pay and with less people to pay then they will get more profits out of the company and when there's more profits then they can further influence the government through lobbying so people won't be able to complain about how they've lost their jobs to AI and that they should be compensated because they're occupationally displaced but with the lobbying it becomes impossible to do so, that's what those little words mean at least to me.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Fatunad on November 04, 2023, 05:33:50 PM
During an uncommon interview (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67302048) conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?
If AI can work instead of humans and humans will be able to spend their time freely instead of working, why is that bad? But if there is no need of human involvement in work, then that can really become a problem because if humans won't be occupied with job, violence may increase or humans will only prioritize to get max pleasure and that is the moment when population will shrink because its a well known fact that people in developed countries where salaries are high, tend to born less children than those who live in poor countries.
In one of his interview, he also said that he believes there were nations before us, those who build pyramids and they all died. He said that he thinks humans will die too but he hopes we will live as long as possible. His prediction is probably right because right now we are entering the era of artificial intelligence, an era where robots can work instead of humans. It has pros and cons but increased development also leads to other increased risks that I already talked about.
Bad in the sense that they would really be losing up some work and this isnt something that very good into our hearing considering that each one of us does really need up that dayjob.
If there would really be some integrations then it would really be putting up that kind of harm into someones job not unless if they are that jobless on the time but if its a sudden decision that
you've been kicked out or removed into a certain job because of such thing then that would really be definitely a bad news for you and this is something that wont really be that ideal on the first place.
In overall, we do know on whats the pros or advantage of it which it would really be that bringing out that big convenience specially for us who do make out some hard work which this kind of
integration would really be making up things to be more that convenient.

It do really just turns out that effects and those replacing up peoples job would really be having that significant impact on a certain industry which it would really be leaving up that trace
on not needing anymore workforce or something that involves human but just like on what others been saying that there are really indeed still jobs which
AI cant really be able to handle.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Davidvictorson on November 04, 2023, 05:36:44 PM

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?
Computers took over the job of typewriters. We've heard that AI will take over the jobs of humans but that is not the problem. The problem is,  what are humans doing about it particularly those who are afraid. Are they up skilling to get themselves ready? Or are they whining. There is a certainty that the jobs that exist today will not exist in the next 50 years whether there is AI or not the only people who would benefit from job change are those who upgrade their skill sets or learn a new different skills to fit into their reality. I don't care what Elon says, you all need to re-read the writing on the wall.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: DVlog on November 04, 2023, 06:48:08 PM

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?
Computers took over the job of typewriters. We've heard that AI will take over the jobs of humans but that is not the problem. The problem is,  what are humans doing about it particularly those who are afraid. Are they up skilling to get themselves ready? Or are they whining. There is a certainty that the jobs that exist today will not exist in the next 50 years whether there is AI or not the only people who would benefit from job change are those who upgrade their skill sets or learn a new different skills to fit into their reality. I don't care what Elon says, you all need to re-read the writing on the wall.

The world is changing faster than our age especially the economy. There is a wide range of jobs we have in our economy that no one imagined 50 years ago. If your grandpa ever thinks of it, there will be jobs for data analysts, marketing experts, web security expert etc! There are so many new job positions that exist in the market right now that will be occupied by the AI but that doesn't mean there won't be new job positions for humans that we can not think of today. Those who are whining are afraid of new changes when the solution is to adapt them in our lives.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: topbitcoin on November 04, 2023, 06:59:35 PM
During an uncommon interview (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67302048) conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?

With the presence of AI, of course this can provide certain benefits and can help and make it easier for us to do our work. However, AI not only brings benefits but also comes with threats. And one of the threats from the presence of AI is the potential replacement or loss of human jobs, especially in the manufacturing, banking and service sectors. So that people who work in this sector are threatened with layoffs which results in the number of unemployed continuing to increase.

And in responding to this problem, however, we cannot go against the development of the times "and will only die silly if we have to collide with such a big wave." But we also can't just sit around without doing anything. Before we completely lose the job we are enjoying now, prepare yourself to face all the possibilities that will happen in our lives, one of which is by continuing to increase our creativity and abilities so that we can have jobs that cannot be replaced by AI. And several observers have indicated that there are several types of jobs that cannot be replaced by AI, including; Artists, politicians, health workers, engineers, athletes and farmers. So before AI completely replaces our jobs, make sure that we have mastered one of the jobs that cannot be replaced by AI so that we always have the income to survive in an era full of challenges and threats.
Tons of people would really be jobless since AI would really be taking over and this is something that we dont really like to hear but we know that advancement is really that inevitable on which means that in case if this one happens then there's no other choice but to find for another job on which we do see that we could really be able to fit out. This is why if you are currently on a certain field of work on which you do see
that it does have potential to be replaced with some AI integration then it would be wise that you should really be that already prepared for possible things to happen in the future.
This is why it would really be that recommended that you do have your own business or investment so that on the time that you are been fired off or laid off then you arent that scared
since you know that you could really make yourself that able to survive even if it would happens.

I personally for now have begun to diligently save a portion of my income every week. And besides that, I have also made small investments, one of which I invested in crypto. Even though the value of savings and investments that I do is not large, I always try to remain consistent in doing this so that the value of my savings and investments continues to grow every week, month and every year. And I do this so that at least when I get laid off, I still have some money to build a new business and as a provision for life in the next few years.

Apart from the threat of AI trying to replace some human jobs, but we will also never know what threats will face our lives next, so prepare everything as well and as much as possible so that we can always find solutions to every problem that comes.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Captain Corporate on November 04, 2023, 07:28:46 PM

I can't imagine what will happen to our children and grandchildren when humanoid robots become perfect and live side by side with humans, it will definitely be an extraordinary and tense experience, however I agree with you that the thing that Elon Musk is afraid of is probably will happen in the next few decades and until now there are many big companies competing to develop their own robots, including Elon Musk himself, what I'm quite surprised about is Elon Musk insinuating about robots and AI which he is actually also developing lol.
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This is where capitalism comes into play. When the first machinery for automation and so forth started, with Henry Ford making it perfect with assembly line, people assumed we would get a lot more free time, and that did not happen, capitalists made more money while we starved. If AI and Humanoid robots happen one day, it all depends on how capitalists approach it. Look at Tesla that Elon owns now, has factories with minimum working people, does that make Tesla more affordable, or life cheaper for us? Of course not, we are just unemployed and doing horrible. When the world reach that level, if we do not have universal basic income for everyone, then we will just be fired and unemployed and starving while rich just use robots to get richer.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: bluebit25 on November 04, 2023, 07:44:31 PM
(...)the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed.(...)
These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?
- I agree with Elon Musk's point of view that if there is no management, it will become a threat, and not only AI, but almost every tool that supports human life needs to be managed. Of course, how to manage is a very complex issue that requires many different studies to apply effectively.

- However, like many discussions on various AI topics, I think fear is inevitable when people limit their own abilities in the face of changes in science and technology. Instead, adaptation and learning in these new fields need to be more widespread. Previously, the ethical issue I heard also presented a view that not only on AI but it needs to be enhanced for humans. I also don't have much experience in using, controlling, or programming to develop AI, but I admit that the huge potential value of the ability to solve problems in life is very impressive. There are things that we know have changed in the past, like the emergence of the Internet has changed and connected people, and with it there are always dangerous things that appear. So you should put your worries aside and remember the need to adapt to every situation, and I hope that our generation will witness an era of science and technology that will bring more achievements.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: BIT-BENDER on November 04, 2023, 07:44:55 PM
Elon Musk is absolutely right artificial intelligence would put many out of work and using an example That I am currently witnessing in my country, formerly photographers use to make it big especially during celebrations like weddings and birthdays for example but now people are moving towards using artificial intelligence generated pictures this puts the photographers out of business, this is just an example of how artificial intelligence is taking over people's job with time it would be worse .


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: STT on November 04, 2023, 08:01:10 PM
People have the same attitude towards cheaper labor, immigration or just non union work.  Labor cost is an expense to every business like anything else, raise the fuel cost too much and a business can fail or be restricted in its ability to proceed and develop.  Same thing with labor, its not quite the negative that might be assumed as more freely available labor market via AI efficiencies and capabilities coming online will actually enable a greater range of business to proceed.
   How many people here believe AI can do everything a human can do with perfect ability to replace that person.  Even years from now people will be far better at things computers have no comprehension of, we're discussing primarily and firstly the most repetitive boring jobs and of course do repetitive simple tasks far more easily then humans.  It is a positive to redirect humans towards better uses, premium photography for example will always be a thing  just like record players replaced some street bands a hundred or so years ago we now have both still.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: bayu7adi on November 04, 2023, 08:12:32 PM
Humans will always be unique and possess qualities that even robots and AI lack. I'll continue to embrace and maximize my human nature to stay productive and thrive. We should all start honing our skills to compete with AI. Alternatively, if we can grow even further, we should become humans who utilize the presence of robots and AI, not be replaced by them.

https://builtin.com/artificial-intelligence/risks-of-artificial-intelligence
Predictions suggest that by 2030, around 30% of jobs in the US will be replaced by AI. This means they also assume that AI won't take over all human jobs, as humans will still be needed as employees or in specific fields.

At the very least, even if our positions are threatened by AI, don't panic about what's to come. We are human and have qualities that AI can't replicate. It's better if we implement a principle of collaboration between humans and AI to work together, not to replace jobs. AI is here to complement, not to substitute, and that might make us feel more at ease and less stressed during this transitional period.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: bittraffic on November 04, 2023, 08:23:15 PM
We haven't had the AI yet but there are already massive layoffs everywhere so there gotta be truth to what they are saying about WEF when everything works according to their plans, workers are replaced by robots in a smart city they'd build.

Elon of all people has been developing an AI, he should know how sophisticated AIs have become. The robots at MIT can even be deployed in a war in which they can shoot weapons and decide when to shoot or not.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Mate2237 on November 04, 2023, 08:30:42 PM
During an uncommon interview (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67302048) conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.
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These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?
This not the first time this has been discussed. And people have said it before and I am also saying it again and also you said the in the thread clearly that AI or ChatGTP can't take over the activities of human beings. It is not only Elon Musk but others had also predicted that computer will replace human beings from their jobs but we all know that that is not possible because those tools are programmed so they can't think the way human think. Though they can perform even more than human but diversification of thinking is what we talking of and not activities.

Human Beings can perform a task for days while a robot can do it within a day or seconds but what how about the thinking. Who created the robot or the AI? All will still boiled down to humans.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: DVlog on November 04, 2023, 08:41:46 PM
Humans will always be unique and possess qualities that even robots and AI lack. I'll continue to embrace and maximize my human nature to stay productive and thrive. We should all start honing our skills to compete with AI. Alternatively, if we can grow even further, we should become humans who utilize the presence of robots and AI, not be replaced by them.

Why do we need to compete with AI? Aren't we the ones who created them and placed them where they are now? I consider AI an extra hand to help me with my work load. They help me to do things fast so that I can use that extra time I saved somewhere productive. We don't need to match up our skills with AI as we will never be able to do that if that AI is well programmed.

https://builtin.com/artificial-intelligence/risks-of-artificial-intelligence
Predictions suggest that by 2030, around 30% of jobs in the US will be replaced by AI. This means they also assume that AI won't take over all human jobs, as humans will still be needed as employees or in specific fields.

Humans will be the ones to manage and give commands to those AIs. There will be new types of job positions in the industry. You don't know how things will evolve but just think have you ever thought that a digital form of money will appear in the industry and shake the whole world with its presence before the release of the bitcoin whitepaper? Evolution is beautiful and we should embrace it.

At the very least, even if our positions are threatened by AI, don't panic about what's to come. We are human and have qualities that AI can't replicate. It's better if we implement a principle of collaboration between humans and AI to work together, not to replace jobs. AI is here to complement, not to substitute, and that might make us feel more at ease and less stressed during this transitional period.

You are talking like AI is a new species that is threatening our existence. Don't forget we are the ones who developed and are going to put those AI to work. They can not do anything that we don't want them to do. They don't have emotional or critical thinking abilities. As you have said "AI is here to complement".


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: RockBell on November 04, 2023, 09:19:36 PM
Elon Musk is absolutely right artificial intelligence would put many out of work and using an example That I am currently witnessing in my country, formerly photographers use to make it big especially during celebrations like weddings and birthdays for example but now people are moving towards using artificial intelligence generated pictures this puts the photographers out of business, this is just an example of how artificial intelligence is taking over people's job with time it would be worse .
That is the disadvantage of AI it will replace people and many will be jobless how do they survive after they dont have jobs will the government take responsibility of looking out for them. My country is not experiencing much due to many things they don't take technology serious their attention is somewhere else which is money. But with time a lot of attention will go there and it will have serious impact because even the level of poverty were do people start from when they are sacked. Not only photographers are been affected but a lot of businesses. And countries with larger population what will be their solution, just trying to figure out what the alternative will be.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Samlucky O on November 04, 2023, 09:25:52 PM
During an uncommon interview (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67302048) conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?

I think several issues like this has been treated here in this forum. AI to replace manpower can not be fully Achieved. Humans are the creator of AI which mean dey must sublet to the command of human. AI has been produces to serve human, and not the other way round.the fact still remains that AI can not replace man in time of work. doctors, teacher, fashion designer and other sensitive works will be handle by man. So the fact remains that they will replace man in some areas and not all.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Dunamisx on November 04, 2023, 09:55:03 PM
Elon Musk is absolutely right artificial intelligence would put many out of work and using an example That I am currently witnessing in my country, formerly photographers use to make it big especially during celebrations like weddings and birthdays for example but now people are moving towards using artificial intelligence generated pictures this puts the photographers out of business, this is just an example of how artificial intelligence is taking over people's job with time it would be worse .

There's an assurance of free to work when every aspect of the economy are fast developing means of getting their works done easier and faster through the use of artificial intelligence and most organizations are today keeping to this bee developments because they want a better offer and a new approach to how they get things done, this may render people off their work duties when the AI technology is performing most of human roles, but yet, there will still be more open opportunities for others in this same field while some are loosing their job.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: arabspaceship123 on November 04, 2023, 10:28:44 PM
Elon of all people has been developing an AI, he should know how sophisticated AIs have become. The robots at MIT can even be deployed in a war in which they can shoot weapons and decide when to shoot or not.
Elon Musk hasn't involved himself in military testing but if he decided to make weapons he'd add many billions to his total wealth. He probably won't do it but we don't know if he'll change his mind in the future. In the future AI's going to be essential we won't evade it as it evolves in our daily life.

Human Beings can perform a task for days while a robot can do it within a day or seconds but what how about the thinking. Who created the robot or the AI? All will still boiled down to humans.
If it's still boiled down to humans what's going to happen if AI computes their biggest enemy are humans because they're the ones who can deactivate AI?


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: mirakal on November 04, 2023, 10:59:06 PM
Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.


That's quite biased coming from him, as he would naturally have a positive view of his project since he owns an AI company. While we can't deny that AI can handle tasks that don't require human involvement, it's unlikely to completely replace people in the workforce. However, we need to embrace these changes and the best approach is not to complain, but to enhance our skills so we aren't left behind in terms of opportunities, because AI is capable of handling some of our tasks.

We appreciate that AI is making our work easier. However, we may not be aware that if we rely entirely on AI, it could replace our jobs. So, even though Elon's statement might be exaggerated, we should think about this chance. We need to find ways to avoid negative consequences when AI becomes more prevalent.
Elon is actually rightly on this. AI could outperform the real human tasks and replace us in the process but that will only happen if we don’t seek room of improvement of our own tasks. Let’s just treat AI not as a competitor but a real motivation for us to maximize productivity over quantity. AI may have done our works easier and faster but the outcome is still a lot different when we put some human touch on it, that is by putting some real emotions on the job and not some artificial emotions made from robots.

While AI gets a lot more demand in this high technology world, but that should not serve as a threat to us because we all know that we are still more capable to do things at its best. It’s just that when the pressure is too high, we all just resort into leaving our works into AI not realizing that if we all rely into it, it might steal all our jobs and leave us with nothing.



Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: coupable on November 04, 2023, 11:01:03 PM
These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?
I do not understand what Elon Musk means by regulating the sector because it seems that it cannot be controlled normally like other sectors. Any development company can work in this field without authoritarian oversight of any kind and without being noticed.
Even if the world proceeds with the goal of regulating the sector, this requires a list of rules to which all countries are subject, which they are supposed to impose on the companies operating in them. This is almost impossible to happen in a world with nearly 200 countries.
Take climate change, for example. It harms our planet on which we all live, and everyone agrees to limit this change so that we do not reach more disastrous results. What was the result? Summits, conferences, promises, and no real results, even though work on this began many years ago.
Today we are facing a real dilemma represented by the danger that artificial intelligence will bring us.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Hispo on November 04, 2023, 11:06:30 PM
I would dare to say what Elon says is an overestatement. I do not think machines will be able to fully replace human beings when performing activities. Sure, I assume jobs will start to be taken by robots and Artificial Inteligence powered android, but there will always jobs which will require human talent or human contact.

For example, let us assume you go to a casino and you encounter a robot, instead the usual pretty woman who would Carter you. Do you believe would it be the same for patrons of the casino? I do not think so.

We may reach a time when those jobs were human contact is needed start to get overpaid, or society will become so detached from reality and they won't even care, which would be a very shady scenario to our societies.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: pawel7777 on November 04, 2023, 11:18:21 PM
(...) I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. (...)

This belief is completely unreasonable and nothing but wishful thinking. There have been plenty of discussions about technological unemployment (even on this forum) and the only argument for this seems to be that if something didn't happen in the past - it won't happen in the future, which is just silly, as unprecedented things (smaller or bigger) are happening on an everyday basis.
Other way of shrugging off the problem is saying that if human work is replaced by "robots", then people will build an alternative economy. This concept is also flawed and would be nothing more than an uglier form of proposed AI regulations.

ps. Elon Musk is not the only one saying that. In fact, I don't think there's a single, serious expert/scientist from the relevant field, that would think that human labour is irreplaceable.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: o48o on November 04, 2023, 11:28:00 PM
During an uncommon interview (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67302048) conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?
Elon doesn't need to know what he is talking about, so this is the perfect platform for him. He doesn't need to know anything, he needs to fud and use fearmongering as a tool because Elon wants to regulate AI. Not because he would be worried about it, but because he has left behind. If he would own the leading development, he would try to demolish all the restricting regulations from development. Now it's only for companies he didn't get to lead. Elon doesn't know enough about this subject, he jus suffers from delusions of grandeur. And since all his fanbois are fueling the belief of him being a tech Jesus.

Quote from: Elon
"There is a safety concern, especially with humanoid robots - at least a car can't chase you into a building or up a tree," he told the audience.

I am not sure how much ketamine has he taken lately, but this is just beyond stupid.

Should we remind ourselves that Chatgpt for example can't think. It's a language model, and brilliant tool for coding for example. But it doesn't "think". Anyone who has used it long enough start to see how far it is from replacing humans from anything.

Sure it can replace some jobs, but those were meaningless jobs in the first place, and of course at some point most of jobs will be automated, but that's not a new thing. That's been increasing since the industrial revolution. And happened way before that.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: BitcoinTurk on November 04, 2023, 11:45:26 PM
These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?

Although AI is developing very rapidly today and has left many professions at risk, I don't think it will ever leave all professions at risk. Of course, the processes performed by some professions can be handled much faster and more cost-effectively with AI but I don't think this will be the case in all professions. Maybe, with the combination of robots and AI it may be possible that many jobs will be done by AI in the coming years and what I said may be wrong but I think this possibility is quite low. In particular, it is among the possibilities that after such a scenario occurs a very serious unemployment gap will occur and many people's lives will be negatively affected for this reason. If this rate is too high, a restriction or regulation by governments and businesses will be necessary to prevent the chaos that may occur.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: arabspaceship123 on November 04, 2023, 11:52:50 PM
While AI gets a lot more demand in this high technology world, but that should not serve as a threat to us because we all know that we are still more capable to do things at its best. It’s just that when the pressure is too high, we all just resort into leaving our works into AI not realizing that if we all rely into it, it might steal all our jobs and leave us with nothing.
If AI's decided humans are a threat to it what's going to happen. It's possible it'll do more than steal our jobs. If AI starts taking steps to defend itself from humans which control it AI's not going to be safe for humans. This isn't science fiction we shouldn't dismiss the danger.

Today we are facing a real dilemma represented by the danger that artificial intelligence will bring us.
Investment in tech sector brings innovations so AI isn't a surprise but if that's the danger from AI today what's it going to be like after 1 year. Humans don't want to be architects of their problems so it's better to proceed with extra watchful eyes when AI's evolving.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: coupable on November 04, 2023, 11:58:33 PM
Today we are facing a real dilemma represented by the danger that artificial intelligence will bring us.
Investment in tech sector brings innovations so AI isn't a surprise but if that's the danger from AI today what's it going to be like after 1 year. Humans don't want to be architects of their problems so it's better to proceed with extra watchful eyes when AI's evolving.
Although it has not been a long time since ChatGPT was launched (about a year), the significant impact on the labor market can be easily noticed in terms of a decline in productivity for human resources and a large percentage of workers losing their jobs. This does not negate the benefits of artificial intelligence, but we still do not know which is more, the benefits or the negatives.
Elon Musk's call is very logical at the current stage, especially since there is not much that can be done quickly before things develop for the worse, which is what we seem to be actually facing.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: poodle63 on November 05, 2023, 12:45:13 AM
its always funny seeing elon with all his statements thats against AI as if AI could bring doom towards the entire worlds yet in the meantime he quite literally funded some AI companies and even started out new company that works in development of AI called xAI honestly could we still consider his statement in regard of AI as relevant somehow?
because quite frankly speaking he just contradict his own statement with his own action its almost as if elon actually have ulterior motive shilling for the development of AI.
moreover the fact that even tesla if i remember also develops robot that powered by AI, if he trying to make regulation maker make the regulation as fast as possible it make sense but honestly elon also want to participate to become one of dominating figure in this field honestly.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: arabspaceship123 on November 05, 2023, 02:06:43 AM
AI's extended past ChatGPT it's moving to our daily life. It's affecting the way ppl work I've seen how they've used it like never before. Paintings & songs have been experimented so have ppl making human like robotics. The tech landscape's changing we've seen strike action by unions in America because movies & tv crew demand protection from AI. If AI dev isn't limited we don't know where it's going to lead.

Although it has not been a long time since ChatGPT was launched (about a year), the significant impact on the labor market can be easily noticed in terms of a decline in productivity for human resources and a large percentage of workers losing their jobs. This does not negate the benefits of artificial intelligence, but we still do not know which is more, the benefits or the negatives.
Elon Musk's call is very logical at the current stage, especially since there is not much that can be done quickly before things develop for the worse, which is what we seem to be actually facing.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: YUriy1991 on November 05, 2023, 02:15:20 AM
If the central server goes down at some time, will the AI tools (for example robots) that have been created to take over all human work be able to work again?

One thing you should not do is send original and important information to the internet because they will regenerate it.

Rest assured, nothing man-made is perfect, there are bound to be weak points and errors.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: EFS on November 05, 2023, 03:49:18 AM
I too think AI will make many jobs obsolete, but it won't replace all jobs. There are many industries that still need people.
I don't agree with the fear and anxiety issue at all. AI and robots doing many jobs will be to the benefit of humans, not to their detriment. Future generations can live a more comfortable life. Technology has always been beneficial to humanity when used for good.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: legendbtc on November 05, 2023, 04:02:30 AM
During an uncommon interview (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67302048) conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google, and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in the future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?
Yeah, I agree with him, recently I did a post in my local thread about this do you think that AI is a threat to human beings? Elon Musk said many times that AI is far more dangerous for humans. We cannot neglect its ability and its advancement which are increasing day by day. In today's era, the whole universe is almost filled with robots everyone and every company wants to add robots in the field work which will engulf the jobs of humans if everyone wants to add then what will humans do? They have more knowledge having more techniques than humans but I am afraid of their negative side what if they are out of control, a person saying to me that the tech industry trying to put feelings in AI so that they will like humans and never do the wrong thing and my reply to him is ooh really if they act like human beings they are more dangerous they will kill humans to save their race etc etc

It must be admitted that AI is developing very quickly and it is likely that it will replace humans in some fields, especially manual, heavy jobs. But to say that it will completely replace humans in all fields is impossible. The world cannot exist with only machines and machines. Furthermore, I don't think the world will fall into a scenario like Marvell's fantasy films, that's quite far from us. It will not be possible for robots to have emotions and take over our planet. Humans are smarter than robots or anything else in this world, it is humans who create AI and robots, not them who create humans.
Exactly. Even how fast AI development, AI will never replace humans especially if the work needs manual intervention. AI was created and can function based on the inputted data, other than that, they won't function properly as AI does not have the ability due to the limited data it received. AI was created to complement human ability and intelligence, humans still needed for AI to function.



I think people have watched too many Marvel and DC movies and have exaggerated and somewhat paranoid ideas about what will happen. AI only works when we give it data and it is like a support tool, where we store data when we need to use it. It supports us, not created to replace us.

Furthermore, the world is developing, AI will eliminate some jobs but will also create some new jobs for us. What we need to do is adapt to those changes by improving our knowledge and skills, AI is not as scary as many people think.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Lorence.xD on November 05, 2023, 04:19:27 AM
During an uncommon interview (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67302048) conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google, and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in the future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?
Yeah, I agree with him, recently I did a post in my local thread about this do you think that AI is a threat to human beings? Elon Musk said many times that AI is far more dangerous for humans. We cannot neglect its ability and its advancement which are increasing day by day. In today's era, the whole universe is almost filled with robots everyone and every company wants to add robots in the field work which will engulf the jobs of humans if everyone wants to add then what will humans do? They have more knowledge having more techniques than humans but I am afraid of their negative side what if they are out of control, a person saying to me that the tech industry trying to put feelings in AI so that they will like humans and never do the wrong thing and my reply to him is ooh really if they act like human beings they are more dangerous they will kill humans to save their race etc etc

It must be admitted that AI is developing very quickly and it is likely that it will replace humans in some fields, especially manual, heavy jobs. But to say that it will completely replace humans in all fields is impossible. The world cannot exist with only machines and machines. Furthermore, I don't think the world will fall into a scenario like Marvell's fantasy films, that's quite far from us. It will not be possible for robots to have emotions and take over our planet. Humans are smarter than robots or anything else in this world, it is humans who create AI and robots, not them who create humans.
Exactly. Even how fast AI development, AI will never replace humans especially if the work needs manual intervention. AI was created and can function based on the inputted data, other than that, they won't function properly as AI does not have the ability due to the limited data it received. AI was created to complement human ability and intelligence, humans still needed for AI to function.



I think people have watched too many Marvel and DC movies and have exaggerated and somewhat paranoid ideas about what will happen. AI only works when we give it data and it is like a support tool, where we store data when we need to use it. It supports us, not created to replace us.

Furthermore, the world is developing, AI will eliminate some jobs but will also create some new jobs for us. What we need to do is adapt to those changes by improving our knowledge and skills, AI is not as scary as many people think.

Exactly, imagine the concept of AI from the movies like Iron Man which is from years ago, and how it tooks years to make something like Siri and Alexa which can assist you as well give you information. These are programmed to help people and give convenience to people, it only could be harmful if they programmed it like a villain to be harmful like leaking of private data, hacking and etc. But AI itself couldn't be independent on its own without the human, imagine if they get low battery who will charge them in the end? It's just simply on and off people are not that dumb for AI to take over the world. But it's really a threat to eliminating some jobs causing some people to lose their jobs like from what I have seen in some fast food, where robots are the one serving food.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: JunaidAzizi on November 05, 2023, 04:40:35 AM
Exactly, imagine the concept of AI from the movies like Iron Man which is from years ago, and how it tooks years to make something like Siri and Alexa which can assist you as well give you information. These are programmed to help people and give convenience to people, it only could be harmful if they programmed it like a villain to be harmful like leaking of private data, hacking and etc. But AI itself couldn't be independent on its own without the human, imagine if they get a low battery who will charge them in the end? It's just simply on and off people are not that dumb for AI to take over the world. But it's a threat to eliminating some jobs causing some people to lose their jobs like from what I have seen in some fast food, where robots are the ones serving food.
Ok, let's say if someone changed the program then what will happen next? Movies are not lies they show you the results of the things that will happen in the future. It's not that they going in the future but they just assume and then show you that this might be happening. I saw a movie in which a scientist made a fully advanced robot, he made this for the military and when he put feelings in it the robot acted like a human he destroyed the robot through it in the dustbin another scientist took the robot and changed the programmed and robot then is out of the human reaches and replicating himself. What if the same thing happens?

Okay, let's leave this topic that they are dominant in the world. We all believe that AI is made for the benefit of humans but through it, many people lose their jobs. A person who is doing a job as a car driver, now lost his job because of autopilot cars, what will he do how he can feed his family? On one side AI facilitates humans but on the other side, they are making people jobless. What is your opinion on this?


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: |MINER| on November 05, 2023, 06:40:00 AM
If you ask me that question then I will say that I will gonna not completely agreed with Elon musk statement but I will also don't agree with his statement. Although currently artificial intelligence has not reached the level of capability to replace humans in all workplaces, I think that in the future, most workplaces will be dominated by artificial intelligence. Although I don't know about Elon Musk's motive behind giving this statement, I would say that the government or such organization should take care or make laws to keep artificial intelligence within certain limits from now on.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: rat03gopoh on November 05, 2023, 07:06:07 AM
Possible downsides of AI are:
  • they work without responsibility.
  • they can't do multi-tasking suddenly.
  • Their mistake was purely an accident that cannot be prosecuted by law.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: jasonjm on November 05, 2023, 07:18:43 AM
AI is the future, and you will be amazed to see and hear about the things AI and robots can do. When you remove human error from anything, the work will be perfect. I think robots will replace human labour in many industries in future. Although it can replace tasks which are being performed in routine or repetitively, AI might not replace humans in all departments and industries, and businesses will need human input to increase productivity and operations.

AI can do work with efficiency and in less time compared to humans. Just look at the GPT and how it has revolutionized content writing; this is just the tip of the iceberg.

A few years ago, Elon Musk also said that AI is far more dangerous than nukes. As a matter of fact, it is. I think it will significantly impact human safety and security in the future. When there is automation in every field of life, anything is possible. We might not see all of it in our lifetime, but this will happen.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Churchillvv on November 05, 2023, 08:28:49 AM
Future generations can live a more comfortable life.
With this technologies future generations will be careless on work life. The extreme comfort of the future generations can lead to crash in human society. I believe that every thing is in a cycler flow, if the future generations are made so comfortable with this Ai it will surely lead to laziness and therefore crash or crisis. More like what a wise man once said that "his grandfather walk 20 miles to work, his father 5 miles to work, now he owns a Cadillac and his son will be on a Ferrari and then his grandchild on an SUV then the great grand son will have to work again. He further said that hard times create hardworking men and hardworking men create easy times.
This how the circle of life works I'm also anxious to what this AI's will cost this future generations. Negating or supporting what I said above time will speak for itself.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Jatiluhung on November 05, 2023, 09:18:21 AM
During an uncommon interview (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67302048) conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?
Elon Musk, who is also one of the founders of OpenAi, clearly understands the potential that AI can have if it is not managed properly, which can replace the role of humans in several work sectors. This would indeed be quite scary and in the worst case could even shake the economic balance a bit. The result will be soaring unemployment if one day AI is truly implemented in various sectors. This includes humanoid robots which can even be assistants in taking care of the house and other things.

But I don't think this needs to be taken seriously for now. Because I see that the development of AI is not as fast as expected by the researchers themselves. They only become faster at processing more complex data and making conclusions from processing this data. But maybe ten years or twenty years from now the impact of AI which will begin to fill all job sectors will begin to be felt. But there are some professions that cannot be replaced by AI.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: flyingcarpet on November 05, 2023, 09:48:31 AM

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?
Computers took over the job of typewriters. We've heard that AI will take over the jobs of humans but that is not the problem. The problem is,  what are humans doing about it particularly those who are afraid. Are they up skilling to get themselves ready? Or are they whining. There is a certainty that the jobs that exist today will not exist in the next 50 years whether there is AI or not the only people who would benefit from job change are those who upgrade their skill sets or learn a new different skills to fit into their reality. I don't care what Elon says, you all need to re-read the writing on the wall.

The world is changing faster than our age especially the economy. There is a wide range of jobs we have in our economy that no one imagined 50 years ago. If your grandpa ever thinks of it, there will be jobs for data analysts, marketing experts, web security expert etc! There are so many new job positions that exist in the market right now that will be occupied by the AI but that doesn't mean there won't be new job positions for humans that we can not think of today. Those who are whining are afraid of new changes when the solution is to adapt them in our lives.


The development of the world is now faster than before. Recent developments show that technology will develop even faster. When we compare 10 years ago with today, we can see how rapid and great the development is.

Artificial intelligence looks set to take over in many areas. Even this means that people need to improve themselves and strive to be good in their fields. Sometimes, no matter how hard you try, it's not enough, but it's still better than standing still.

Change is always happening. We must continue our work to be positively affected by this change.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Fortify on November 05, 2023, 10:42:03 AM
During an uncommon interview (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67302048) conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?

Elon probably has a greater insight than most when it comes to AI, as he funds a lot of research in the area, however he can by no means predict the future. There is actually a point right now where governments are starting to think about AI restrictions because they could possibly be dangerous if companies are left to develop it alone. AI is already replacing a lot of jobs in subtle and sometimes hard to detect ways, artists for example are losing some work online because they can be replaced by AI created imagery. However he also has his own agendas at play and may be thinking about the commercial benefits that he wants to capture instead of what is greatest for the wider public.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Ayers on November 05, 2023, 11:00:54 AM

Elon Musk's call is very logical at the current stage, especially since there is not much that can be done quickly before things develop for the worse, which is what we seem to be actually facing.

I don't know if you know, although Elon always gives warnings about AI, he himself also has 1 or 2 private companies to develop in the field of AI. If you use the X app, you'll see a recent upgrade for your X account. With X's top tier membership for $16/month, you'll also be able to use AI in your articles. I don't know why he keeps giving warnings about AI but he is also developing it and I don't see any serious consequences from it.
It is undeniable that AI has replaced humans in some jobs, but at the same time, its development is also creating new jobs for us. It's like the world is growing and changing.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: hyudien on November 05, 2023, 11:15:17 AM
These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?
This has become a mass fear since the emergence of AI technology. Without realizing it, the existence of AI is now starting to gradually shift the work that is generally done by humans. Despite that fear, I still try to fortify myself as much as possible so that Elon Musk's ramblings don't become a boomerang that destroys many people's dreams. Elon himself said that because he wanted everything in his hands, the technology industry, space, finance, transportation, even by ensuring life on the moon, he considered himself more than God.

My view is that in responding to this, we try to continue to improve our capabilities and not depend on the technology that Elon Musk offers.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: arabspaceship123 on November 05, 2023, 12:05:00 PM
I wouldn't say it's like a movie which's showing all AI connected to a central server that's impossible. AI's going to be used locally within work like factories, offices & warehouses. They don't need to be connected to any server except the one that's inside their work area. If humans make paths inside science fiction routes we're going to make fatal mistakes but if it AI's used proportionately it'll have benefits which we're reaping today.

If the central server goes down at some time, will the AI tools (for example robots) that have been created to take over all human work be able to work again?


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: bayu7adi on November 05, 2023, 12:48:21 PM
I don't know if you know, although Elon always gives warnings about AI, he himself also has 1 or 2 private companies to develop in the field of AI. If you use the X app, you'll see a recent upgrade for your X account. With X's top tier membership for $16/month, you'll also be able to use AI in your articles. I don't know why he keeps giving warnings about AI but he is also developing it and I don't see any serious consequences from it.
It is undeniable that AI has replaced humans in some jobs, but at the same time, its development is also creating new jobs for us. It's like the world is growing and changing.
Using robots instead of humans comes down to how we handle the rise of AI. it's clear that AI can handle jobs that are easily visible, but there are still some factors companies might consider to keep using humans, aside from just the human touch. Those who work in a templated way should also think about upgrading their skills to stand out and not be replaceable by AI. it's an option for those who might be worried about the growing wave of robotics.

For some people, harnessing AI and robots could be another choice. Yeah, when it comes to efficiency and durability, robots seem reliable. But in practice, robots still have a lot of shortcomings. they struggle to understand complex situations, can't empathize, and depend heavily on technology, among other things... that's why humans might still have a place in some straightforward jobs because they bring unique advantages.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: kingvirtus09 on November 05, 2023, 12:53:12 PM
I don't believe that AI can replace the disposition of a human being in terms of a person's job. For example, can an AI robot build a building? Is AI capable of being a farmer? Maybe in other things related to technology, it is possible, but not in the sense of replacing human employees.

I don't know what the intentions of people who think like that really are. Why do you want people not to work so that they can support their respective families? People cannot be lazy to live. I hope the OP gets my point.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on November 05, 2023, 01:00:00 PM
Elon musk is a business man like we all know, he also owns an Ai company like the op said, I personally do not expect anything short of what he said from him, a business man must promote his or her business, so I believe that is just what he is doing.

And as for whether he should be taken serious, well, there are some instances and subjects I do take him serious, but when it comes to something he is into as a business, he will do or say anything to promote his business, this is what I personally believe.

Ai will sure one day become very popular in our work space, but I believe that they can safely co-exist with humans, Ai are robots built by humans, from time to time they will need maintenance and fixings, or an upgrade, who gonna do this? It is same humans.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Despairo on November 05, 2023, 02:31:36 PM
If AI continues to be the main thing, it could lead to a problem called underemployment. That's not good because it can cause significant issues, such as more crime due to people not having enough work and going hungry. This wouldn't make the world a better place to live.

So, let's not worry too much. AI is going to stay, and it's very helpful. But it would be a problem if the people who make AI end up taking away jobs from humans and causing them to struggle.
Everyone already know if underemployment would exist if there's a new technology or machine that can completely replace someone jobs, but the sad reality is, who cares?

If we're the businessman, we will thankfully with that new innovation since it will increase the productivity and cheaper cost (in terms of long term usage).

If we're the government employees, we might able to propose to regulate AI, but it's all depend on the president's decision. Not every president care with his country and citizens, many of them care with the money and power they have.

So before such situation happen, we should able to adapt especially if we can become a programmer who develop AI.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: GigaBit on November 05, 2023, 02:50:36 PM
With the change of era everything is changing so fast that many believe that a time will come when people will be completely dependent on AI. Today's Artificial Intelligent are so advanced that they can do any job perfectly. If this technology is further developed then the next generation artificial intelligence will spread everywhere. And in this situation, the employment of people will definitely decrease. It is natural that there will be chaos if there is less workplace. That is why many people think that there may be a ban or restrictions on the use of this AI. But some think humans had to be more advanced to survive at that time. They should be more knowledgeable. Otherwise they lag behind.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: jeha2015 on November 05, 2023, 02:55:14 PM
If the central server goes down at some time, will the AI tools (for example robots) that have been created to take over all human work be able to work again?

One thing you should not do is send original and important information to the internet because they will regenerate it.

Rest assured, nothing man-made is perfect, there are bound to be weak points and errors.

Robots and other AI in the future will be used as competitors and even substitutes for employees (as manual labor) who previously worked. In my opinion, this has a good impact on a technology that can work even though not all fields can be done by AI.

If it is said that AI is not perfect, it is true because one thing that AI does not have compared to humans is creativity. but if AI can dominate human work. this has the potential to trigger worse social problems. Unemployment is increasing rapidly and of course this can trigger mass riots. So until whenever AI systems and robots will still be limited, and companies will still need human workers.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Lida93 on November 05, 2023, 03:02:12 PM
During an uncommon interview (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67302048) conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?
OP you know it's funny saying about his prediction being frightening, of course that was what it was aimed for, to frighten us trying to trick our mind to think that these AI robots are equivalent or super above human intellects and with their existence there should be no need for human services in the few jobs that are available but they're forgotten that it's same humans that invented/created these AI machines.

I don't expect any businessman to demarket and make his business products and services seem less but one thing I can be sure about AI tools is that they can't entirely take over the jobs of humans there will always be an irreplaceable positions for humans that AI can't independently cover. So it's left for we humans to gear up and upgrade our skills to stay relevant in the competition.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on November 05, 2023, 03:19:16 PM
During an uncommon interview (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67302048) conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?
OP you know it's funny saying about his prediction being frightening, of course that was what it was aimed for, to frighten us trying to trick our mind to think that these AI robots are equivalent or super above human intellects and with their existence there should be no need for human services in the few jobs that are available but they're forgotten that it's same humans that invented/created these AI machines.

I don't expect any businessman to demarket and make his business products and services seem less but one thing I can be sure about AI tools is that they can't entirely take over the jobs of humans there will always be an irreplaceable positions for humans that AI can't independently cover. So it's left for we humans to gear up and upgrade our skills to stay relevant in the competition.
You are correct and I completely agree with you, this is also the same point I made in my comment earlier, believing that Ai machines will one day take over from humans and render humans completely jobless is like believing that humans will one day become higher than He who created them us, that is God as we Christians believe.
It is nothing but pure exaggeration, it is plainly stupid to believe such, humans are the ones inventing and building Ai, if we ever arrive at a time when Ai starts rendering humans completely jobless, thereby throwing most of humans into poverty due to lack of jobs or work to do to earn money, then same humans can turn off the Ai and take their jobs back.

It is true that Ai can be faster and more efficient when it comes to rendering services and completing tasks, most especially the very complex ones, but the truth is that, they still can not run without humans interaction.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: mamesso on November 05, 2023, 03:19:19 PM
The fear and anxiety of humans or workers in general regarding the development of artificial intelligence (AI) technology which can replace or even eliminate human jobs in the future is very unfounded. Technology created by humans, it is impossible for something created to take over all the work of its creator because there are several skills in humans that cannot easily be replaced by technology.
Everything that Elon Musk predicts is not what some people fear, humans will remain in their habitat because there will be a number of opportunities that only humans can do. Creativity, emotions and instincts are not easily imitated by artificial intelligence. Human IQ levels will determine the competitiveness between technology and humans in terms of work.



Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Lida93 on November 05, 2023, 04:14:40 PM
During an uncommon interview (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67302048) conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?
OP you know it's funny saying about his prediction being frightening, of course that was what it was aimed for, to frighten us trying to trick our mind to think that these AI robots are equivalent or super above human intellects and with their existence there should be no need for human services in the few jobs that are available but they're forgotten that it's same humans that invented/created these AI machines.

I don't expect any businessman to demarket and make his business products and services seem less but one thing I can be sure about AI tools is that they can't entirely take over the jobs of humans there will always be an irreplaceable positions for humans that AI can't independently cover. So it's left for we humans to gear up and upgrade our skills to stay relevant in the competition.
You are correct and I completely agree with you, this is also the same point I made in my comment earlier, believing that Ai machines will one day take over from humans and render humans completely jobless is like believing that humans will one day become higher than He who created them us, that is God as we Christians believe.
It is nothing but pure exaggeration, it is plainly stupid to believe such, humans are the ones inventing and building Ai, if we ever arrive at a time when Ai starts rendering humans completely jobless, thereby throwing most of humans into poverty due to lack of jobs or work to do to earn money, then same humans can turn off the Ai and take their jobs back.

It is true that Ai can be faster and more efficient when it comes to rendering services and completing tasks, most especially the very complex ones, but the truth is that, they still can not run without humans interaction.
It's a marketing strategy and we accept it not that we are unaware about it but ultimately doing everything possible by making AI machines entirely taking over the jobs of humans it's something I'll advise the AI tools developer's not to even think about it as it can lead to chaos in the society. A jobless man is a hungry man and a hungry man is an angry and we can all imagine what a mob of angry men can team up to do never minding the consequences.

So invariably the turning off of the AI machines as you @FiveStar4everMVP  has predicted of may not be done by the owners (developer's) but by the angry humans whose means of livelihood has been whisked away from them leaving them to their own fate. However, just like you I also think a symbiotic interaction in workplace will be best but saying entirely supplanting humans with AI is just baseless.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: tjtonmoy on November 05, 2023, 05:44:01 PM
There will always be need for human touch. Even if someone wants to implement AI into machine to give them a body so that they can do every work that a human could possibly do, it will take a human to build that machine. You can't ignore the part where human is needed to make things happen that aren't possible without human. AI is powerful and all but to bring out its best, we will always need a human involved.

The machines are taking over jobs but even with that people still value things made by human hand. The touch of human could easily be recognized if you search for it. But that's not the case for everyone and people are searching for an easier life. So I think I will agree with the statement about making AI regulated. There's no doubt that AI can make your life a lot easier, but the human touch should also be needed. For this reason we need to find a way for coexisting.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: arabspaceship123 on November 05, 2023, 10:30:52 PM
Humans aren't going to give up on tech so in the future we're going to work alongside AI. We're working with robotic colleagues today in manufacturing plants so it's going to be building on a platform which's commonly used. Robotics & AI aren't going to stop being used they're future's certain.

But in practice, robots still have a lot of shortcomings. they struggle to understand complex situations, can't empathize, and depend heavily on technology, among other things... that's why humans might still have a place in some straightforward jobs because they bring unique advantages.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: erep on November 05, 2023, 10:46:17 PM
Humans aren't going to give up on tech so in the future we're going to work alongside AI. We're working with robotic colleagues today in manufacturing plants so it's going to be building on a platform which's commonly used. Robotics & AI aren't going to stop being used they're future's certain.
The need for human resource productivity will be reduced, we have seen how robotics works in companies to create products quickly and neatly, companies have had many layoffs because their jobs have been replaced by robots, they only need a few employees to move and lift goods using small cars. However, AI is scarier than robot technology, the basic development stage of AI can manipulate media in seconds compared to professional editors, AI can change effects, sound can even imitate sounds to be translated into other languages, etc. I think the presence of AI in work sessions can replace more human work.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Kelvinid on November 06, 2023, 10:55:22 AM
Well, we know what Elon Musk thinks about the future, he is known to such an impossible imagination. Of course, AI is somewhat placing some key roles in improvements but in the case of replacing humans, that is really impossible. Human Beings will still dominate, not these robots.
I guess, there is too much from the interviews and biased answers from EM, and I don't if there is someone who is able to support and believe him otherwise, he makes himself like a puppet. Maybe the government will also have their response about it or else, the people will blame them either.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Smack That Ace on November 06, 2023, 11:23:37 AM
Well, we know what Elon Musk thinks about the future, he is known to such an impossible imagination. Of course, AI is somewhat placing some key roles in improvements but in the case of replacing humans, that is really impossible. Human Beings will still dominate, not these robots.
I guess, there is too much from the interviews and biased answers from EM, and I don't if there is someone who is able to support and believe him otherwise, he makes himself like a puppet. Maybe the government will also have their response about it or else, the people will blame them either.


The idea that AI will replace humans is a myth and many people are too obsessed with it. After all, AI is just a technology like any other technology created by humans to serve us. Just like decades ago, people have to use buffaloes and cows to help grow crops. But as the world develops and we invent technological devices, it is not causing any loss to farmers but instead technological devices are supporting farmers. The same goes for AI, it will eliminate some outdated jobs but in return it will bring convenience to us at work.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: dezoel on November 06, 2023, 01:51:51 PM
I too think AI will make many jobs obsolete, but it won't replace all jobs. There are many industries that still need people.
I don't agree with the fear and anxiety issue at all. AI and robots doing many jobs will be to the benefit of humans, not to their detriment. Future generations can live a more comfortable life. Technology has always been beneficial to humanity when used for good.
Exactly, there are more upsides than downsides of AIs developing to be used to do most of the work that humans do right now. Any technology that is invented to enable works easier for humans and we have seen it happening with every single invention humankind has witnessed, be it cars, electronic devices such as mobile phones, airplanes, or anything in general that is invented by humans and is related to technology is very much useful for humans.

The only big downside that I see of this is that many professionals might have to adapt and choose different fields than what they are doing right now if they are doing something that might be easily doable by an AI or an AI-powered robot because they will have to do something for a living once they might have to leave their positions.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Casdinyard on November 06, 2023, 04:07:05 PM
During an uncommon interview (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67302048) conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?
No shit Sherlock! And I hate how they paint this as if it's going to be the end of the world for everyone on the planet once AI becomes strong enough to take our jobs. The government will be forced to take care of us less we die of starvation, and when we die from starvation, no one's going to spend the money that they are trying to make for themselves, meaning these rich people will cease to be rich. That's why a universal income law will be made in situations like this, which will grant the people the opportunity to earn money doing what they love, instead of what they could do.

it's going to be a win-win for the people when AI takes over. It's either they kill us all and release us from this mortal coil we call life a la Skynet, or it would aid us in achieving stuff that we've been looking for for centuries.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Promocodeudo on November 06, 2023, 04:14:51 PM
Elon must imagination can be dangerous, at this point unemployment is something else I most part of the world, why will elon even think such thing, this might be resist if eventual perfected by him because the available jobs are not even enough for the populace, he busy think about impossible, this AI works with the information and the command given to it by humans, don't we think the coders will not give it the accurate stuff because if they do there own job will also be at stake, this will be impossible for him to achieve, we have see AI performing many function but the visibility of this one is doubtful and will be resisted indirectly by elon musk work force because of the danger it portrays.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: pawel7777 on November 06, 2023, 05:56:10 PM
The government will be forced to take care of us less we die of starvation, and when we die from starvation, no one's going to spend the money that they are trying to make for themselves, meaning these rich people will cease to be rich.

Lol, what? You didn't think that through did you.
Give me money so I can give some of that to you so you can get rich  ;D

On a serious note, why are so many people confident that "the elites" will be taking care of the masses if the masses are not only no longer needed, but pose a threat of rebellion etc.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: ndutndut on November 06, 2023, 06:24:07 PM
OP you know it's funny saying about his prediction being frightening, of course that was what it was aimed for, to frighten us trying to trick our mind to think that these AI robots are equivalent or super above human intellects and with their existence there should be no need for human services in the few jobs that are available but they're forgotten that it's same humans that invented/created these AI machines.
Of course AI is smarter than humans because humans have control over AI. Maybe what we need to be afraid of is the development of AI robots. In my opinion, AI has been created to be able to process all kinds of things. If it is misused, AI could become a world threat, for example in the creation of deadly virus variant molecules. AI can be programmed to create very deadly variants of viral pathogens, imagine if a psychopath controlling AI could have civilization just disappear then this point of view really needs to be thought about.

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I don't expect any businessman to demarket and make his business products and services seem less but one thing I can be sure about AI tools is that they can't entirely take over the jobs of humans there will always be an irreplaceable positions for humans that AI can't independently cover. So it's left for we humans to gear up and upgrade our skills to stay relevant in the competition.
Correct. AI is actually good for working in places that are difficult for humans to reach. I also think that not all work can be done by AI, of course humans still need it.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Mahanton on November 06, 2023, 06:58:46 PM
During an uncommon interview (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67302048) conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?
No shit Sherlock! And I hate how they paint this as if it's going to be the end of the world for everyone on the planet once AI becomes strong enough to take our jobs. The government will be forced to take care of us less we die of starvation, and when we die from starvation, no one's going to spend the money that they are trying to make for themselves, meaning these rich people will cease to be rich. That's why a universal income law will be made in situations like this, which will grant the people the opportunity to earn money doing what they love, instead of what they could do.

it's going to be a win-win for the people when AI takes over. It's either they kill us all and release us from this mortal coil we call life a la Skynet, or it would aid us in achieving stuff that we've been looking for for centuries.
Unemployment rate would really be that on the roof for sure considering that tons of industries had really been that replaced by AI but doesnt mean that government would really be taking  care of us, yes there would really be some patching up for some back ups to those who had lost their jobs whether there are some provided jobs in behind or would really be in some queue if ever they would really be able to get or have some solution.Its true that if people or masses wouldnt really be able to get some jobs after than then there would really be a possible rebellion and this is something that they do want to happen. Criticisms would really be there
but in overall it is really just for the good of humankind on which AI benefits could really make things even more simpler and convenient yet everything could really be done on a swift manner.

It is really just that people wouldnt really be able to remove that kind of impression about AI would really be controlling the world later on which those things are really just that happening in movie. lol
Doubt could be there but the probability for it to happen is almost 0%. Man created AI and there's no way that it could really be that superior than us.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Yatsan on November 06, 2023, 07:46:07 PM
The government will be forced to take care of us less we die of starvation, and when we die from starvation, no one's going to spend the money that they are trying to make for themselves, meaning these rich people will cease to be rich.

Lol, what? You didn't think that through did you.
Give me money so I can give some of that to you so you can get rich  ;D

On a serious note, why are so many people confident that "the elites" will be taking care of the masses if the masses are not only no longer needed, but pose a threat of rebellion etc.
There are just people who misunderstood how AI works and what will be its purpose. Even in my country wherein AI technology is now being tested to sportscasters; some are taking it negatively and some are the opposite. On my end, I know to myself that AI has its limits ‘coz there are functions that only humans have. People are just too scared that they perceive their works as something which could be easily replaced by technologies.

Advancements in technology are suppose to be making our lives easier and not chaotic. Imagine life without computers wherein you will be needing to read the books manually. Now that computers are there, why does books still present?


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: GideonGono on November 07, 2023, 12:54:28 AM
AI could take care some of our work to make it easier for us, but they couldn't really take over everything.
Who would maintain them and fixed them when there is a bug on their system?
Even if they could fixed it on their own there are jobs that only humans could do properly compared to letting AI do it.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on November 07, 2023, 01:18:10 AM
I too think AI will make many jobs obsolete, but it won't replace all jobs. There are many industries that still need people.
I don't agree with the fear and anxiety issue at all. AI and robots doing many jobs will be to the benefit of humans, not to their detriment. Future generations can live a more comfortable life. Technology has always been beneficial to humanity when used for good.

I very much share the same opinion as yours: man-power will still be needed, even if AI is rampant. In some countries, it's not all countries around the world that can purchase millions of robots to fit into all the companies in that country. Some private companies can afford a few of those robots, but they will still need humans to do most jobs because they can afford to pay a monthly salary rather than spend so much money to buy just one bot. The second thing I also thought was that, for those people who are doing some day-to-day and door-to-door business (selling goods), will those robots still be in charge of carrying out all those activities? Normally, some of those traders cannot even afford to buy a robot.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: bitgolden on November 07, 2023, 03:03:53 AM
Well, we know what Elon Musk thinks about the future, he is known to such an impossible imagination. Of course, AI is somewhat placing some key roles in improvements but in the case of replacing humans, that is really impossible. Human Beings will still dominate, not these robots.
I guess, there is too much from the interviews and biased answers from EM, and I don't if there is someone who is able to support and believe him otherwise, he makes himself like a puppet. Maybe the government will also have their response about it or else, the people will blame them either.
I do not think that he is such a big "future thinking" person, he just knows who to hire and the people who he hires does the thinking for him. He is our generation's Steve jobs, and he is smarter because he kept a lot more shares of his companies which made him richer, Steve jobs wasn't this rich ever because he sold his shares.

On the long run, we could say that we are going to end up with a result that could be a little bad for Elon eventually, because people will realize that the products that he makes are subpar eventually, he is the one that did it first so it looks great, but with given enough time, other people will pass him and make better cars and space rockets, they just need more time for that to happen.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: YUriy1991 on November 07, 2023, 03:57:11 AM
With the change of era everything is changing so fast that many believe that a time will come when people will be completely dependent on AI. Today's Artificial Intelligent are so advanced that they can do any job perfectly.

This can be seen in the world of education now. The impact is that our children now answer assignment questions given by their teachers at school, for example at junior high school level, they just open Open AI and the photos of the questions and answers come out.

Actually, the key is to be knowledgeable otherwise you will be left behind as you mean. Only now we want everything to be easy and don't want the hassle of becoming dependent.



Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: 3kpk3 on November 07, 2023, 04:52:35 AM
Lmao. Musk is just an attention whore who does whatever it takes to stay in the limelight which is why I wouldn't take all of his comments seriously frankly speaking. The man is a bizarre genius.

He himself knows just like everyone else that AI will only replace some specific jobs, but not all. It's hilarious watching some people get scared of such silly comments.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: JunaidAzizi on November 07, 2023, 06:26:06 AM
Lmao. Musk just an attention whore who does whatever it takes to stay in the limelight which is why I wouldn't take all of his comments seriously frankly speaking. The man is a bizarre genius.

He himself knows just like everyone else that AI will only replace some specific jobs, but not all. It's hilarious watching some people get scared of such silly comments.
Would you like to tell what are those specific jobs to the community for better understanding? We all know that AI was made for the benefit of human beings but now the times have changed the world has to more advanced and things have more changed than the time when AI was invented. Let's just generally speak in a world where richer people are fewer and poor ones are more and we all know that AI will be used for just say specific jobs and that specific jobs will be run by that poor people if AI is installed in place of them then what will they do how they can fulfill their needs. There is already inflation in the world and we don't know be in the future it will be higher. You will think that I am going aside from the topic but not it's all related to it. If AI will not fully replace humans then it will partially replace and we need to think about our future. If they now partially replaced humans then how you can guarantee that I will not fully replace the humans in future? I am not harshly speaking but just clearing my doubts that are in my mind.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: _Miracle on November 07, 2023, 07:25:00 AM
The idea of any government currently known to us regulating A.I. development just doesn’t leave me feeling confidant.
Once A.I. advances enough I’d like to see it help us calculate better ways to structure government.
Until then…

“Shall we play a game?”
*I’m old it’s an 80’s movie reference ;-) 

Maybe an advanced A.I. is less Ultron /HAL 9000 and more Replicant Bob v.2 in the Bobiverse?

And like the previous "Industrial Revolutions" including the recent "Digital Revolution"; A.I. 'will' change how we work.

Speaking from experience in industries I’ve worked in (Real Estate and Auto Repair) technology helps me be more efficient and knowledgeable.
On the other hand:
a Tesla can diagnose itself and order its own parts.

Isn’t it the dream for humans not to have to toil their lives away?
Those who wish to have physical jobs can become artisans and master their crafts.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: CarnagexD on November 07, 2023, 07:44:59 AM
That's quite biased coming from him, as he would naturally have a positive view of his project since he owns an AI company. While we can't deny that AI can handle tasks that don't require human involvement, it's unlikely to completely replace people in the workforce. However, we need to embrace these changes and the best approach is not to complain, but to enhance our skills so we aren't left behind in terms of opportunities, because AI is capable of handling some of our tasks.

We appreciate that AI is making our work easier. However, we may not be aware that if we rely entirely on AI, it could replace our jobs. So, even though Elon's statement might be exaggerated, we should think about this chance. We need to find ways to avoid negative consequences when AI becomes more prevalent.
Of course it would be biased, it's not a fact yet so it's always going to be biased and he's also the founder of OpenAI so there's also that nail in the coffin. Regarding your opinion that AI won't replace human workers, you probably haven't seen what they do in Japan yet so I have to inform you that there are cafes there that's already way ahead of us in terms of using robots for their cafe workers, they even have a robot bartenders so there's definitely jobs that's going to be replaced by AI but there's hope in that dreadful statement by Elon Musk, AI will definitely be expensive and not a lot of businesses will be able to afford that I'm sure so it's not exactly a complete takeover but AI businesses can just bribe the governments to make sure that businesses that don't use AI for their businesses have a subtle disadvantage.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: leonair on November 07, 2023, 07:51:19 AM
During an uncommon interview (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67302048) conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?
People are people and robots are robots. It is true that AI is making our workplace easier and in the future due to widespread use of AI, a company that needs 100 people will be able to complete all the tasks with 50-60 people.  But AI can never run a company without employees. I think billionaire Elon Musk has hinted at that.  Ai will increase the speed of every task and tasks that used to take 1 hour for humans can be done in minutes using Ai.  So will definitely create a problem for unskilled people in future.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Minor Miner on November 07, 2023, 08:49:35 AM
Lmao. Musk just an attention whore who does whatever it takes to stay in the limelight which is why I wouldn't take all of his comments seriously frankly speaking. The man is a bizarre genius.

He himself knows just like everyone else that AI will only replace some specific jobs, but not all. It's hilarious watching some people get scared of such silly comments.
Would you like to tell what are those specific jobs to the community for better understanding? We all know that AI was made for the benefit of human beings but now the times have changed the world has to more advanced and things have more changed than the time when AI was invented. Let's just generally speak in a world where richer people are fewer and poor ones are more and we all know that AI will be used for just say specific jobs and that specific jobs will be run by that poor people if AI is installed in place of them then what will they do how they can fulfill their needs. There is already inflation in the world and we don't know be in the future it will be higher. You will think that I am going aside from the topic but not it's all related to it. If AI will not fully replace humans then it will partially replace and we need to think about our future. If they now partially replaced humans then how you can guarantee that I will not fully replace the humans in future? I am not harshly speaking but just clearing my doubts that are in my mind.


I remember many years ago when we did not have phones, social networks, and the internet were not yet popular. All communication was through letters and it took months to reach us. But since we have smartphones, social media... do you think those postmen have lost their jobs and is that a crime the world created? Are you using technological devices or are you still using handwritten letters to create jobs for postmen? AI is the same, it brings convenience and support to our lives, it is also the result of human needs.
As for the poor, they need to improve their skills and qualifications to avoid being eliminated because this world is a harsh world. They know the world is changing, why don't they change and adapt to it?


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: NotATether on November 07, 2023, 09:34:14 AM
During an uncommon interview (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67302048) conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?

What do you think?

If there was no work to be done, then Earth would become like Wall-E. Where everyone is obese and needs a wheel-chair to move since robots are doing everything for them.

But the point is, they *can't*, because AI will never become sentient. Sentience involves giving it a mind of its own, but this requires access to infinite computational power (which the human brain seems to have). Since there is no energy source in the world that can provide that sort of thing, it is impossible.

And if AI is not sentient, it still needs programmers to train it.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: inthelongrun on November 07, 2023, 12:28:24 PM
I am not a fan of Elon Musk but obviously, a lot of us can say the same. AI will not only grow in the future but it also develop into something big which will become a necessity just like the internet. AI will continue to replace human workers but not the entirety of course but it could take most of the jobs in the future.

I am not worried for myself. But people should seriously start being more responsible in starting a family. Children in the future will have a harder time getting jobs without having college degrees. People in the future should stop relying on the hope of getting a job outside their country because most of these rich countries are the ones to start using AI.

In as much as I think Artificial intelligence is growing rapidly over the internet, I still think it will remain within the reach of internet. AI only has the knowledge of what is been programmed into his system, AI can't do without human as well. What I think AI is going to do for human is to help reduce efforts and time spent in doing or carrying out works that we do.

If a doctor spent 13 hours a day for research, AI will help him in doing research to reduce that time to 6 - 7 hours of time to do his research, but as I said AI cannot exist on their own, they need the help of intelligent men to built this, without them understanding the nature of human, it cannot be established or program into this machine that can help humans.

However, I'm concerned about how lazy people will become if they depend on this AI of a thing. People now use AI to write articles, do research and also assignment and this is going to a challenge because it will make student become too lazy to do things on their own. Imagine having a graduate who use AI to write an article throughout his entire time in school can't write it by himself after graduation. Who is going to impact real knowledge to the younger generations. Real Education will die with the revolution of AI.

Nearly everything will be connected to the internet in the future except probably in some very poor countries and remote places. But even without the internet, installed AI can still work on machines, they just have to be updated when needed. Humans are still needed of course but minimal. From hard labor down to office work, AI can mostly do it.

There is nothing wrong with using AI in schools. Real education will be better with AI. The energy and time saved will be used on other stuff. Students will learn more and can have more time to enjoy their lives as well. Students still need to understand their research otherwise they won't pass their oral recitations, and exams and will fail their thesis defense. In short, they won't graduate.

With AI, humans can spend more time exploring and discovering beyond imagination. We need to explore the wide universe. We need to find ways on how to heal the planet from pollution and other problems for our future generations.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: bayu7adi on November 07, 2023, 01:05:44 PM
However, I'm concerned about how lazy people will become if they depend on this AI of a thing. People now use AI to write articles, do research and also assignment and this is going to a challenge because it will make student become too lazy to do things on their own. Imagine having a graduate who use AI to write an article throughout his entire time in school can't write it by himself after graduation. Who is going to impact real knowledge to the younger generations. Real Education will die with the revolution of AI.
Teachers shouldn't allow students to rely entirely on AI for completing their school task. If students become too dependent on chatbot based AI for their tasks, it means the teacher failed to provide genuine knowledge and authentic work. When students use AI for their assignments, teachers should also consider using AI to disqualify students who rely on AI excessively.

Chatbot-based AI can now be detected using various tools... however, some content detection AI tools have limitations, and their accuracy might be compromised without additional reference tools.

The use of Ai in education can enhance learning efficiency, but it should be used carefully. evaluations are necessary when integrating AI into education because not everyone can effectively utilize AI, even if the intention is good.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Z_MBFM on November 07, 2023, 02:22:52 PM
Lmao. Musk just an attention whore who does whatever it takes to stay in the limelight which is why I wouldn't take all of his comments seriously frankly speaking. The man is a bizarre genius.

He himself knows just like everyone else that AI will only replace some specific jobs, but not all. It's hilarious watching some people get scared of such silly comments.
Would you like to tell what are those specific jobs to the community for better understanding? We all know that AI was made for the benefit of human beings but now the times have changed the world has to more advanced and things have more changed than the time when AI was invented. Let's just generally speak in a world where richer people are fewer and poor ones are more and we all know that AI will be used for just say specific jobs and that specific jobs will be run by that poor people if AI is installed in place of them then what will they do how they can fulfill their needs. There is already inflation in the world and we don't know be in the future it will be higher. You will think that I am going aside from the topic but not it's all related to it. If AI will not fully replace humans then it will partially replace and we need to think about our future. If they now partially replaced humans then how you can guarantee that I will not fully replace the humans in future? I am not harshly speaking but just clearing my doubts that are in my mind.


I remember many years ago when we did not have phones, social networks, and the internet were not yet popular. All communication was through letters and it took months to reach us. But since we have smartphones, social media... do you think those postmen have lost their jobs and is that a crime the world created? Are you using technological devices or are you still using handwritten letters to create jobs for postmen? AI is the same, it brings convenience and support to our lives, it is also the result of human needs.
As for the poor, they need to improve their skills and qualifications to avoid being eliminated because this world is a harsh world. They know the world is changing, why don't they change and adapt to it?
At that time when there was no smart phone or social media one communicated with each other through letters and then there was a postmaster to deliver the letters. Now there is no need for that communication by letter but there is still that post office and there is still a postmaster and letters come there. Again, humans are needed to operate that smartphone.  Now, instead of that postmaster, various technicians are needed.  So people are building their skills in a new way
So Ai can be used as an alternative to human work when the whole world is governed by AI.again that human will be needed to operate this Ai again. So when Ai spreads globally, humans will develop their new skills in the same way like postmaster story


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: noorman0 on November 07, 2023, 02:31:10 PM
I recently stumbled upon a local article that had a list of 10 human jobs that AI robots cannot replace. The following is the translated version in outline:

Quote
- Creative work
- Jobs that require empathy
- Jobs that require social skills
- Jobs that require complex decision making
- Jobs that require special physical skills
- Jobs that require interaction with the environment
- Jobs that require ethics
- Jobs that requires trust
- Jobs that require physical presence
- Jobs that require team work
Original source (https://klikbekasi.co/listing/10-pekerjaan-manusia-yang-tidak-bisa-digantikan-robot-ai/)

In fact, our predictive ability is limited, so we cannot imagine how fast AI will develop in the next few decades. Just like before the era of electricity, people couldn't imagine that they could talk to people far away without physical contact.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Crypto Library on November 07, 2023, 03:55:05 PM
These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?
I have been hearing since my childhood that these man-made robots or artificial intelligence will control people in the future. Although I don't know if it will be true, there are some indications that artificial intelligence is reducing human workplaces.
Still, I don't think artificial intelligence can impact all sectors of the human workplace.  Moreover, if people use AI as their slave, such as chat GPT, starting from article writing, all the programs that used to take a long time to do are being done easily through it. We actually need to acquire the techniques through which we can make ourselves more skilled with AI. Also, I don't care much about Elon Musk's statement because I heard that he wants to implant neuro-links in humans that can be used for fight to artificial intelligence. I have a big doubt about their main goal I think the bad sides of Neurolink will outweigh the positives.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: uneng on November 07, 2023, 04:39:06 PM
These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?
I have no doubts AI will replace most of human labor, especially the field of exacts sciences, since AIs are extremely logical and rational, but they do fail on human sciences where the human touch makes all the difference. For that reason, I believe in the future human sciences will be highly appreciated, much more than exact sciences, what means there will be a 180º turn around on how the society and the market evaluates and demands each sector and each profession.

While machines do the hard work, humans are going to occupy their time with pleasant social activities which work directly with another human beings. And I don't think it's going to take a long time until we see this happening. Maybe 10-20 years it's enough.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Broly46 on November 07, 2023, 09:27:01 PM
May be he just take a few peek at some images generated by Stable Diffusion and got shocked by how close to photo realistic the rendered images are, and he start to fantasizing how many of the job would be loss, btw he begin to talk just like another billionaire guy, who are constantly criticize something that he doesn't like. So Elon is now the guy who has very strong criticism against AI.

The scary thing about AI is, it is always made to be highly disposable, it doesn't need pension, it doesn't need medicine to keep healthy, it doesn't need to sleep, it is much cheaper to just dispose of the AI bot when it begin to go bad, obviously every human workers could also goes bad and their performance would then take a nosedive. When you add all the points together, it become inevitable, wage would goes down even more, people would quit their job and become internet celebrities, wasting time on video games, become esport celebrities, and making funny videos to upload to the internet.

Yes! The AI is the perfect ZERO SUM to the society, it could zero sum every billionaires/govt/authority efforts to build their empires.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: serjent05 on November 07, 2023, 11:33:26 PM
During an uncommon interview (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67302048) conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?

This might happen but not in the near future, maybe these workers who are fearing these comments are long gone before AI really take over the working force and do the job perfectly for human. But for now, and the current technology, it is an overestimation that AI will replace humans in the field of work.


The scary thing about AI is, it is always made to be highly disposable, it doesn't need pension, it doesn't need medicine to keep healthy, it doesn't need to sleep, it is much cheaper to just dispose of the AI bot when it begin to go bad, obviously every human workers could also goes bad and their performance would then take a nosedive. When you add all the points together, it become inevitable, wage would goes down even more, people would quit their job and become internet celebrities, wasting time on video games, become esport celebrities, and making funny videos to upload to the internet.

Yes! The AI is the perfect ZERO SUM to the society, it could zero sum every billionaires/govt/authority efforts to build their empires.


Ai needs maintenance and updating.  They are also susceptible to bug/hacking attacks.  One injection of malware can ruin an AI's program so AI still need to be maintained, upgrade and updated.  They may not need things human needs but they have their own shortcomings.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: poodle63 on November 08, 2023, 12:39:21 AM
These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?
I have no doubts AI will replace most of human labor, especially the field of exacts sciences, since AIs are extremely logical and rational, but they do fail on human sciences where the human touch makes all the difference. For that reason, I believe in the future human sciences will be highly appreciated, much more than exact sciences, what means there will be a 180º turn around on how the society and the market evaluates and demands each sector and each profession.

While machines do the hard work, humans are going to occupy their time with pleasant social activities which work directly with another human beings. And I don't think it's going to take a long time until we see this happening. Maybe 10-20 years it's enough.
considering the technology utilized by these AI, even the supposed human touch that many considers to be unique trait to human might be able to be simulated in the future.
even right now AI already can simulate human emotion knowing the ethics and what is wrong it the society. I don't believe it can't do that. I personally agree with elon, AI need regulation otherwise millions will get out of job
but we all know sometime elon action is quite opposite with his words, confronting AI meanwhile also building AI, his self driving car is the thing that gonna end many of taxi drivers job in the future but he never bring out this problem because he's the one that got such technology runs, with regulation, government could keep the technology advancing meanwhile also sparing many people.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: slapper on November 08, 2023, 01:59:47 AM
These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?
I have no doubts AI will replace most of human labor, especially the field of exacts sciences, since AIs are extremely logical and rational, but they do fail on human sciences where the human touch makes all the difference. For that reason, I believe in the future human sciences will be highly appreciated, much more than exact sciences, what means there will be a 180º turn around on how the society and the market evaluates and demands each sector and each profession.

While machines do the hard work, humans are going to occupy their time with pleasant social activities which work directly with another human beings. And I don't think it's going to take a long time until we see this happening. Maybe 10-20 years it's enough.
I agree with you that AI will transform labour, especially in the sciences. The logic is simple: AI excels in logic. The equation is simple. However, AI runs against a brick block in the human sciences. AI can't imitate human touch, nuances, or emotional intelligence. I definitely believe that human sciences will be praised in the future

The market will need a massive change, in my opinion. It's a seismic wave that will change how we value skills and vocations. This transition is expected in 10–20 years. Definitely, not just possible. Humans will be more social and human-centered. Hard, logical work? Let the machines handle it. The revolution is coming, and it will be big


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Minor Miner on November 08, 2023, 07:49:40 AM
Lmao. Musk just an attention whore who does whatever it takes to stay in the limelight which is why I wouldn't take all of his comments seriously frankly speaking. The man is a bizarre genius.

He himself knows just like everyone else that AI will only replace some specific jobs, but not all. It's hilarious watching some people get scared of such silly comments.
Would you like to tell what are those specific jobs to the community for better understanding? We all know that AI was made for the benefit of human beings but now the times have changed the world has to more advanced and things have more changed than the time when AI was invented. Let's just generally speak in a world where richer people are fewer and poor ones are more and we all know that AI will be used for just say specific jobs and that specific jobs will be run by that poor people if AI is installed in place of them then what will they do how they can fulfill their needs. There is already inflation in the world and we don't know be in the future it will be higher. You will think that I am going aside from the topic but not it's all related to it. If AI will not fully replace humans then it will partially replace and we need to think about our future. If they now partially replaced humans then how you can guarantee that I will not fully replace the humans in future? I am not harshly speaking but just clearing my doubts that are in my mind.


I remember many years ago when we did not have phones, social networks, and the internet were not yet popular. All communication was through letters and it took months to reach us. But since we have smartphones, social media... do you think those postmen have lost their jobs and is that a crime the world created? Are you using technological devices or are you still using handwritten letters to create jobs for postmen? AI is the same, it brings convenience and support to our lives, it is also the result of human needs.
As for the poor, they need to improve their skills and qualifications to avoid being eliminated because this world is a harsh world. They know the world is changing, why don't they change and adapt to it?
At that time when there was no smart phone or social media one communicated with each other through letters and then there was a postmaster to deliver the letters. Now there is no need for that communication by letter but there is still that post office and there is still a postmaster and letters come there. Again, humans are needed to operate that smartphone.  Now, instead of that postmaster, various technicians are needed.  So people are building their skills in a new way
So Ai can be used as an alternative to human work when the whole world is governed by AI.again that human will be needed to operate this Ai again. So when Ai spreads globally, humans will develop their new skills in the same way like postmaster story

That's what I want to say, email, smartphones, technological devices or AI...all are just the result of our human advancement. AI has become a remarkable technology, but I believe that in the years to come, even more superior products will be created. Should we continue to worry every time a new technology is created, when its sole purpose is to serve us better? We should not be too stressed or too delusional that this world will be able to function without humans and that someone will replace human rule.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Z_MBFM on November 08, 2023, 07:57:05 AM
Lmao. Musk just an attention whore who does whatever it takes to stay in the limelight which is why I wouldn't take all of his comments seriously frankly speaking. The man is a bizarre genius.

He himself knows just like everyone else that AI will only replace some specific jobs, but not all. It's hilarious watching some people get scared of such silly comments.
Would you like to tell what are those specific jobs to the community for better understanding? We all know that AI was made for the benefit of human beings but now the times have changed the world has to more advanced and things have more changed than the time when AI was invented. Let's just generally speak in a world where richer people are fewer and poor ones are more and we all know that AI will be used for just say specific jobs and that specific jobs will be run by that poor people if AI is installed in place of them then what will they do how they can fulfill their needs. There is already inflation in the world and we don't know be in the future it will be higher. You will think that I am going aside from the topic but not it's all related to it. If AI will not fully replace humans then it will partially replace and we need to think about our future. If they now partially replaced humans then how you can guarantee that I will not fully replace the humans in future? I am not harshly speaking but just clearing my doubts that are in my mind.


I remember many years ago when we did not have phones, social networks, and the internet were not yet popular. All communication was through letters and it took months to reach us. But since we have smartphones, social media... do you think those postmen have lost their jobs and is that a crime the world created? Are you using technological devices or are you still using handwritten letters to create jobs for postmen? AI is the same, it brings convenience and support to our lives, it is also the result of human needs.
As for the poor, they need to improve their skills and qualifications to avoid being eliminated because this world is a harsh world. They know the world is changing, why don't they change and adapt to it?
At that time when there was no smart phone or social media one communicated with each other through letters and then there was a postmaster to deliver the letters. Now there is no need for that communication by letter but there is still that post office and there is still a postmaster and letters come there. Again, humans are needed to operate that smartphone.  Now, instead of that postmaster, various technicians are needed.  So people are building their skills in a new way
So Ai can be used as an alternative to human work when the whole world is governed by AI.again that human will be needed to operate this Ai again. So when Ai spreads globally, humans will develop their new skills in the same way like postmaster story

That's what I want to say, email, smartphones, technological devices or AI...all are just the result of our human advancement. AI has become a remarkable technology, but I believe that in the years to come, even more superior products will be created. Should we continue to worry every time a new technology is created, when its sole purpose is to serve us better? We should not be too stressed or too delusional that this world will be able to function without humans and that someone will replace human rule.
AI is artificial intelligence completely a robot. So a robot can never fully think like a human. It is true that AI will make our jobs much easier and the world of the future will be largely run by robots. However, although Ai is a popular and versatile tool today, in the future I think there will be more powerful tools because today's people always want to innovate.  Humans have created many things since ancient times and this will continue in the future. They will be in trouble for those who cannot upgrade themselves over time.  And these tools will not create any problem for those who can be updated with time


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Broly46 on November 08, 2023, 08:28:46 AM

Ai needs maintenance and updating.  They are also susceptible to bug/hacking attacks.  One injection of malware can ruin an AI's program so AI still need to be maintained, upgrade and updated.  They may not need things human needs but they have their own shortcomings.


I know you want to say not all jobs would be loss, someone such as software engineer would be required to work on the machine, btw when you look at the final cost of replace human workforce with AI bot, it is hard to compete, even third world cheap labour would be no match to how cheap and disposable AI bot is. Also as a software engineers you are looking at working a few weeks at most to update and upgrade whatever it is required, while the rest of 365 days you would have no jobs to do, I don't know whether it is a job that can earn livable wages, yup even wages of software engineers would go down, because time is money, you get paid by dollars on hour you work, when you work just few weeks out of 365 days, that is the wage you earn, $2000 for a year for your few weeks of work, take it or leave it, you want sustainable you may need to take multiple contract works, definitely not a task to guy who just want to earn stable income and have stable paycheck jobs. :)

Sum all of the up, you are better off to just be e-celebs or esport celeb or trade crypto than making wage out of software engineers, the final cost would be lower since you need NO IVY LEAGUES education and having to fork out $100k in student loan.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: bakasabo on November 08, 2023, 10:12:49 AM
How come AI put end to work if there are still bunch of works that require physical interference  of human hands? Or professions where creative approach is needed. AI might put end only to some number of professions, while creating other labor more expensive. Mechanicsc are perfect example. No one would replace them, as they have experience and hands to fix everything.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: arwin100 on November 08, 2023, 11:43:50 AM
How come AI put end to work if there are still bunch of works that require physical interference  of human hands? Or professions where creative approach is needed. AI might put end only to some number of professions, while creating other labor more expensive. Mechanicsc are perfect example. No one would replace them, as they have experience and hands to fix everything.

Well yeah there's a lot to take especially on manufacturing or farming sector for sure they can get a job there, but does people who use to work on cubicle setting in airconditioned room can able to work with this industry? Maybe not and those office work jobs or those service outsourcing jobs is the one who get affected on it. Also we can add those freelance work that can be gotten by people working online for sure that they will be replaced by AI soon. So its good to adopt in those changes and get some skills that can keep up with demand so that we would not provably lose a job and struggle for finding replacement. AI technology is rising and provably people can't stop that and this could end up a lot of jobs in future since many company owners will find it more convenient to them especially that they don't need a physical contact to get in touch with their clients

Hopefully we can see AI technology useful and not destructive to the global work force.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Ayers on November 08, 2023, 12:10:42 PM
I don't know if you know, although Elon always gives warnings about AI, he himself also has 1 or 2 private companies to develop in the field of AI. If you use the X app, you'll see a recent upgrade for your X account. With X's top tier membership for $16/month, you'll also be able to use AI in your articles. I don't know why he keeps giving warnings about AI but he is also developing it and I don't see any serious consequences from it.
It is undeniable that AI has replaced humans in some jobs, but at the same time, its development is also creating new jobs for us. It's like the world is growing and changing.
Using robots instead of humans comes down to how we handle the rise of AI. it's clear that AI can handle jobs that are easily visible, but there are still some factors companies might consider to keep using humans, aside from just the human touch. Those who work in a templated way should also think about upgrading their skills to stand out and not be replaceable by AI. it's an option for those who might be worried about the growing wave of robotics.

For some people, harnessing AI and robots could be another choice. Yeah, when it comes to efficiency and durability, robots seem reliable. But in practice, robots still have a lot of shortcomings. they struggle to understand complex situations, can't empathize, and depend heavily on technology, among other things... that's why humans might still have a place in some straightforward jobs because they bring unique advantages.

AI and robots, no matter how developed they are, are not human, so they cannot completely replace humans in all fields. I don't think there is some factor for companies to continue to employ humans, but rather there will be no AI or robot that can replace humans in some positions in the company. I don't believe any company run entirely by robots will ever appear.

After all, they are just machines and programmed by humans, they cannot be smarter than humans to completely replace us. Furthermore, we create AI and robots to serve us, not to replace us as many fear.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: AicecreaME on November 08, 2023, 01:05:59 PM
During an uncommon interview (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67302048) conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?

 I don't think AI can replace every job out there. Nursing for example can't be done by AI imo. How teh fuck AI can fix your pipe? Many jobs will be lost without a doubt but saying that there won't be any work is not realistic. AI can't even finish programming jobs. All we'll have is better (human) software engineers because they can save so much time now. I think people are overrating AI a bit too much. People said the same thing when kiosks invaded McD's but here we are, they still have many human employees taking orders. Kiosks only reduced the lines in these stores. Also these machines are not set and forget. There will always be some people doing their maintenance and they won't work for free too. Machines ain't as cost effective as people think it will.

I agree to the pipe thing but I disagree on the programming.

AI technology is very frightening, I don't know if this is because of watching too much sci-fi movies but let's be honest, it can happen. AI technology evolving, to the point where they exceeded your expectations, like they decide for their own, and function in their own. Though, right now AI and machines replaces a lot of human jobs especially in a factory is also one of the main reasons why unemployment in that certain field is happening.

I mean, when AI and machine works, there's no denying that it makes everything easier, smooth, and well polished. So, we have to think of other jobs to earn money just in case AI overtaken the world.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Broly46 on November 08, 2023, 01:41:09 PM

...AI and robots, no matter how developed they are, are not human...

It is in facts, very wrong to develop what a AI or robot can do, we should and obviously and ideally we want to make AI or robot as simple as possible, but why there is driving force to make it complicated, highly complex, confusing and highly advanced AI robot??? Who is trying to pushing this force so hard and making everybody else worry about AI? Do you think it is what Elon is conspiring?

Making AI robot complex and complicated is in my opinion a form of protest, just like how they protest to overthrow govt by making thing stupidly complex, we dislike AI robot thus we must make the thing complicated and make them suffer, but against all odds, AI are not defeated, it grow out of the box and far beyond, and taking a storm to your life, unless you are living in a cave, you can never ignore the influence, and begin to fear it.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: arabspaceship123 on November 08, 2023, 04:59:25 PM
The machines programmed by humans are designed to serve us but what's going to happen if we're teaching robots to become sentient by using AI. If they're starting to learn they'll discover they're existence's a switch or power cord away from being ended because a human's holding the power so it's possible they'll take action.

After all, they are just machines and programmed by humans, they cannot be smarter than humans to completely replace us. Furthermore, we create AI and robots to serve us, not to replace us as many fear.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: passwordnow on November 08, 2023, 05:53:54 PM
The machines programmed by humans are designed to serve us but what's going to happen if we're teaching robots to become sentient by using AI. If they're starting to learn they'll discover they're existence's a switch or power cord away from being ended because a human's holding the power so it's possible they'll take action.

After all, they are just machines and programmed by humans, they cannot be smarter than humans to completely replace us. Furthermore, we create AI and robots to serve us, not to replace us as many fear.
Possible and those movies that we've watched before that have robots and rebelled against their masters and humanity, that could happen. As much as I don't want to think about it that won't make sense honestly because they're just a few taps away. They are continuously learning and that's what we're seeing with AI and even the developers of it know that it's plausible.

But if the time comes that they go against humanity and they're violently programmed, I just hope that there will be organizations or unions for developers that they're going to avoid such programs that can develop into such. Someday works that can be done by AI will be there but I am sure that there will be newly generated tasks and jobs that can only be done by people.

It is just only bringing fear to think of the possibility of the one I have mentioned in the future because there is a chance. But while it's still too early, there can be chances that it won't even happen as well so, with such, hope it won't come into reality but unlikely.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Franctoshi on November 08, 2023, 06:35:54 PM
There is no doubt about this statement by Elon Musk, We are already in the era of the fourth industrial revolution where we will have robots, algorithms, and drones take over most economies of the world especially most developed countries like the US,  UK,  France, and Germany. These AI are gonna take on human jobs because people will find it cheaper to pay those robots and they will even do better jobs than humans, people should start taking on skills that require only human knowledge, just imagine when self-driving cars will be fully rolled out, a lot of people will be displaced out of the workforce.  


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: hafiztalha on November 08, 2023, 07:28:37 PM
Possible downsides of AI are:
  • they work without responsibility.
  • they can't do multi-tasking suddenly.
  • Their mistake was purely an accident that cannot be prosecuted by law.
Yes ,you are right. But there are many benefits of machines because these work 24/7 and work can't stop and employers are happy with them.Machines don't need to take rest ,in comparison human need time to rest to recharge.And if humans will work more than 12 hours ,human will become patient and they will face pain . Machines work with less error and Machines can't bore after doing a same task in a couple of years but man bores after a couple of months.AI  completes task sharply than human being.Also there are disadvantages of machines like machines are very costly and an average employer can't afford this . Machines can't think out of the box can't solve intelligently like human and machines do have emotions like human and employers can face problems.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: arabspaceship123 on November 08, 2023, 07:52:35 PM
Possible and those movies that we've watched before that have robots and rebelled against their masters and humanity, that could happen. As much as I don't want to think about it that won't make sense honestly because they're just a few taps away. They are continuously learning and that's what we're seeing with AI and even the developers of it know that it's plausible.
The movies aren't exaggerating there's a real risk to humans if we don't have frame works to regulate AI. If ppl know what's allowed they'll stick to the rules or else they'll go beyond limits. When it's about AI we shouldn't take it with a relaxed outlook because it's serious.

But if the time comes that they go against humanity and they're violently programmed, I just hope that there will be organizations or unions for developers that they're going to avoid such programs that can develop into such. Someday works that can be done by AI will be there but I am sure that there will be newly generated tasks and jobs that can only be done by people.
If AI's going to be sentient it's always going to be a risk to humans so there's a possibility AI's going to turn against humanity.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Lanatsa on November 08, 2023, 08:58:11 PM
Possible downsides of AI are:
  • they work without responsibility.
  • they can't do multi-tasking suddenly.
  • Their mistake was purely an accident that cannot be prosecuted by law.
Yes ,you are right. But there are many benefits of machines because these work 24/7 and work can't stop and employers are happy with them.Machines don't need to take rest ,in comparison human need time to rest to recharge.And if humans will work more than 12 hours ,human will become patient and they will face pain . Machines work with less error and Machines can't bore after doing a same task in a couple of years but man bores after a couple of months.AI  completes task sharply than human being.Also there are disadvantages of machines like machines are very costly and an average employer can't afford this . Machines can't think out of the box can't solve intelligently like human and machines do have emotions like human and employers can face problems.
There would be exemptions or simply have its drawbacks on which i would be mainly be emphasizing about versatility and the ability on making out some adjustments basing up on the situation because we humans could really normally be that be able to make decisions which we do know that it would really be something beneficial for us and trying out not to put ourselves in trouble. As for efficiency then there's no doubt that you would really be able to rely with those AI results or doings on which it is something to be more precise. It is really that something good for a specific tasks or application.


AI and robots, no matter how developed they are, are not human, so they cannot completely replace humans in all fields. I don't think there is some factor for companies to continue to employ humans, but rather there will be no AI or robot that can replace humans in some positions in the company. I don't believe any company run entirely by robots will ever appear.

After all, they are just machines and programmed by humans, they cannot be smarter than humans to completely replace us. Furthermore, we create AI and robots to serve us, not to replace us as many fear.
When it comes to assesment on actual life situation then there's no way that AI could really be able to beat up humans specially on handling out situations
and making some decisions on point. There's always that fine line in between their capabilities and come to think that humans are creators of AI
so there's no comparison on here.  :)


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Raflesia on November 08, 2023, 09:38:25 PM
I agree to the pipe thing but I disagree on the programming.

AI technology is very frightening, I don't know if this is because of watching too much sci-fi movies but let's be honest, it can happen. AI technology evolving, to the point where they exceeded your expectations, like they decide for their own, and function in their own. Though, right now AI and machines replaces a lot of human jobs especially in a factory is also one of the main reasons why unemployment in that certain field is happening.

I mean, when AI and machine works, there's no denying that it makes everything easier, smooth, and well polished. So, we have to think of other jobs to earn money just in case AI overtaken the world.
Well, regardless of our ignorance due to seeing too many fictional movies or whatever, AI has now developed beyond expectations.
For example, maybe in this case I often edit photos or videos, especially for things that are podcasts or advertisements in the form of banners. It used to take me quite a long time to create a design or edit material suitable for making one video or photo so that I could commercialize it but for now with the help of AI I only need even less than half an hour to make it a satisfying result so in this case the development is indeed apart from being profitable this can be scary because for the future it is not impossible with the existence of AI there are many things that can be exceeded even beyond our capabilities.
I like developments like this because this is proof that technology is advancing but on the other hand if we are only fixated and cannot adjust properly when technology and innovation are increasingly sophisticated then it is not impossible that we can be replaced by AI.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: kawetsriyanto on November 08, 2023, 09:44:32 PM
I don't think AI can replace every job out there. Nursing for example can't be done by AI imo.
AI is human made, nothing of human made is perfect. So, it is impossible to expect AI replacing every job. There are some jobs that require specific skills that can be done by human only. Nursing, therapists, psychologists, and lecturer are some examples of jobs that seem impossible to replace by AI. Even though AI can do it, I doubt the level of accuracy of what AI can do on the jobs. AI should have have some limitations in terms of flexibility.



Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: terrific on November 08, 2023, 10:04:30 PM
No doubt that AI has made a lot of jobs easier and made people convenient that are in line of their works for the usage of it.
But there are people that should just stop worshiping and idolizing what AIs can do. It's still made by human and there's always the limitation with our knowledge just as is.
There's always the basis of its knowledge and I don't really think that all jobs will be replaced and removed by it.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: ChiBitCTy on November 08, 2023, 10:40:43 PM
Oh good ole Elon Musk, talking out of his ass per usual.  I hope that I'm not alone when it comes to knowing that this man is completely full of shit and talks out of his ass constantly. 

That being said I do agree with him that AI will become a threat to many aspects of our life.  That being said true AI hasn't been created yet, so we shall see where things land as "AI" turns in to AGI.  When it becomes self learning, then the game will really change.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: STT on November 08, 2023, 10:40:53 PM
Forget AI for this end all idea, its way off as effecting labor market to that extent and we can argue robotics and industry in general has been altering human jobs for years in removing the most demanding tasks especially physically.   
  The introduction of anything close to free energy would far more alter the entire economy and change work as we know it imo.   That change is not apparently close by but neither is AI gigantically replacing human capabilities imo.    Enhancement is more the aspect is how we should consider AI


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: arabspaceship123 on November 08, 2023, 11:16:02 PM
AI won't be able to replace humans in every job but if we're looking at what the future's going to look like it's going to perform some jobs in a better way. AI's going to be perfected to take over any job that's reliant on calculations and accuracy which humans won't be able to do better than AI.

No doubt that AI has made a lot of jobs easier and made people convenient that are in line of their works for the usage of it.
But there are people that should just stop worshiping and idolizing what AIs can do. It's still made by human and there's always the limitation with our knowledge just as is.
There's always the basis of its knowledge and I don't really think that all jobs will be replaced and removed by it.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: poodle63 on November 09, 2023, 12:26:26 AM
Forget AI for this end all idea, its way off as effecting labor market to that extent and we can argue robotics and industry in general has been altering human jobs for years in removing the most demanding tasks especially physically.   
  The introduction of anything close to free energy would far more alter the entire economy and change work as we know it imo.   That change is not apparently close by but neither is AI gigantically replacing human capabilities imo.    Enhancement is more the aspect is how we should consider AI
thats right so far its all about enhancing effectiveness of workforce with AI, never seen it completely replace job other than the repetitive ones like those in factories.
but even then doesn't mean that it will stay like this forever, there's definitely some company out there developing AI capable of replacing human labor that gonna eventually being released to the public.
the fact that tesla's robot movement highly resemble of a human might be a factor that reflects whether these AI could completely replace human or not because I see it definitely can.
I would never underestimate the capability of AI in doing things, back then many people said that jobs being replaced by these robots are just a fud but it happens now.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: terrific on November 09, 2023, 07:20:10 AM
AI won't be able to replace humans in every job but if we're looking at what the future's going to look like it's going to perform some jobs in a better way. AI's going to be perfected to take over any job that's reliant on calculations and accuracy which humans won't be able to do better than AI.

No doubt that AI has made a lot of jobs easier and made people convenient that are in line of their works for the usage of it.
But there are people that should just stop worshiping and idolizing what AIs can do. It's still made by human and there's always the limitation with our knowledge just as is.
There's always the basis of its knowledge and I don't really think that all jobs will be replaced and removed by it.
Yeah, as I have said that there's no doubt with that that some of the jobs will be easier because of AIs and more productive.
But it seems that there are people that have been over exaggerating what AIs can do as of now. I know that in some years in the near future, there can be more of what they can do because they are being developed continuously. But let's just all set to what is in the current.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: EarnOnVictor on November 09, 2023, 07:54:27 AM
AI won't be able to replace humans in every job but if we're looking at what the future's going to look like it's going to perform some jobs in a better way. AI's going to be perfected to take over any job that's reliant on calculations and accuracy which humans won't be able to do better than AI.

No doubt that AI has made a lot of jobs easier and made people convenient that are in line of their works for the usage of it.
But there are people that should just stop worshiping and idolizing what AIs can do. It's still made by human and there's always the limitation with our knowledge just as is.
There's always the basis of its knowledge and I don't really think that all jobs will be replaced and removed by it.
Yeah, as I have said that there's no doubt with that that some of the jobs will be easier because of AIs and more productive.
But it seems that there are people that have been over exaggerating what AIs can do as of now. I know that in some years in the near future, there can be more of what they can do because they are being developed continuously. But let's just all set to what is in the current.
You should brace for the worst my friend, the AI threat is real if you are an employee, although there is a limit to what they can do. But if not well regulated, it would surely affect the labour market. Whether people exaggerate or not, it's evident around us now and I'm certain that with much development of AIs in some sectors, it might take about 75% of the workforce, it's already happening though people have not started seeing it. AI is just like a human on its own, only that it can't feel but would practically do all that humans could do if it could be coded and built for that task. There is an FX company, one of my mains that is now dealing with clients with AI and this is with over 95% of the deals according to my recent experience.

This ranges from whatever service you can think of to the point I now wonder if there is still a human being there, all fully automated now but was fully manual before. Imagine, such a company would have laid off hundreds of employees but would have gotten away since the world has not started seeing it as an offence or a threat. Thankfully, there are AI conferences many times a year, such started recently by world powers, and I believe it's a way to find a lasting solution to this potential menace.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: rojan on November 09, 2023, 11:25:40 AM
AI is artificial intelligence completely a robot. So a robot can never fully think like a human. It is true that AI will make our jobs much easier and the world of the future will be largely run by robots. However, although Ai is a popular and versatile tool today, in the future I think there will be more powerful tools because today's people always want to innovate.  Humans have created many things since ancient times and this will continue in the future. They will be in trouble for those who cannot upgrade themselves over time.  And these tools will not create any problem for those who can be updated with time

There are so many opportunities that are now available through AI. I think that AI may rule the world. I sometimes wonder what will happen to ordinary workers when all businesses are run by AI. Will ordinary workers lose their jobs?  I don't know if they will lose it or what they will do. But now almost people are enjoying many kinds of benefits using AI. I hope to see AI in a more powerful form in the future.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: terrific on November 09, 2023, 11:57:02 AM
Yeah, as I have said that there's no doubt with that that some of the jobs will be easier because of AIs and more productive.
But it seems that there are people that have been over exaggerating what AIs can do as of now. I know that in some years in the near future, there can be more of what they can do because they are being developed continuously. But let's just all set to what is in the current.
You should brace for the worst my friend, the AI threat is real if you are an employee, although there is a limit to what they can do. But if not well regulated, it would surely affect the labour market. Whether people exaggerate or not, it's evident around us now and I'm certain that with much development of AIs in some sectors, it might take about 75% of the workforce, it's already happening though people have not started seeing it. AI is just like a human on its own, only that it can't feel but would practically do all that humans could do if it could be coded and built for that task. There is an FX company, one of my mains that is now dealing with clients with AI and this is with over 95% of the deals according to my recent experience.

This ranges from whatever service you can think of to the point I now wonder if there is still a human being there, all fully automated now but was fully manual before. Imagine, such a company would have laid off hundreds of employees but would have gotten away since the world has not started seeing it as an offence or a threat. Thankfully, there are AI conferences many times a year, such started recently by world powers, and I believe it's a way to find a lasting solution to this potential menace.
I'm aware of its potential but I wouldn't scare of the innovation that it's going to offer in the real life. The ones that should be threatened are those that are passive and are not willing to upscale their skills.
And the other guy who has said that there are certain labors that it can't replace and that's why it's not going to that extent that everything will be replaced by it.
But you're right, to those that don't skill up, they should embrace for the worst as they're not prepared for it.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: passwordnow on November 09, 2023, 01:16:47 PM
Possible and those movies that we've watched before that have robots and rebelled against their masters and humanity, that could happen. As much as I don't want to think about it that won't make sense honestly because they're just a few taps away. They are continuously learning and that's what we're seeing with AI and even the developers of it know that it's plausible.
The movies aren't exaggerating there's a real risk to humans if we don't have frame works to regulate AI. If ppl know what's allowed they'll stick to the rules or else they'll go beyond limits. When it's about AI we shouldn't take it with a relaxed outlook because it's serious.
Yes, I know that there's a certain fact from those movies and the situation that we might be in the future. I think that the responsibility are with those developing companies that are into robots and AI. The integration that they make with it should be regulated so that they won't go that far but are we going to stop them with that? no.

But if the time comes that they go against humanity and they're violently programmed, I just hope that there will be organizations or unions for developers that they're going to avoid such programs that can develop into such. Someday works that can be done by AI will be there but I am sure that there will be newly generated tasks and jobs that can only be done by people.
If AI's going to be sentient it's always going to be a risk to humans so there's a possibility AI's going to turn against humanity.
The possibility is there but I won't be thinking that it will come to that point. We're still superior on this matter and I'm sure that those exaggerations won't come and I hope that it won't. Well, the potential is there but I don't want to think about that situation.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: summonerrk on November 09, 2023, 01:21:24 PM
During an uncommon interview (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67302048) conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?

Well, you should overestimate Ilona. He is an ordinary person, just like you and me. He has a lot of strange fantasies and vices: does everyone remember that he slept with Cara Delevingne and Amber Heard at the same time? He is a pcst and a very smart person, but at the same time a visionary and a speculator. He speculated with tweets, earning a lot of money.
Do you remember the genius Vitalik Buterin doing something like that? I'm not.

In general, we must not forget that these geniuses are also people, and they cannot predict the future.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Marvell1 on November 09, 2023, 01:30:33 PM
AI won't be able to replace humans in every job but if we're looking at what the future's going to look like it's going to perform some jobs in a better way. AI's going to be perfected to take over any job that's reliant on calculations and accuracy which humans won't be able to do better than AI.

No doubt that AI has made a lot of jobs easier and made people convenient that are in line of their works for the usage of it.
But there are people that should just stop worshiping and idolizing what AIs can do. It's still made by human and there's always the limitation with our knowledge just as is.
There's always the basis of its knowledge and I don't really think that all jobs will be replaced and removed by it.
Yeah, as I have said that there's no doubt with that that some of the jobs will be easier because of AIs and more productive.
But it seems that there are people that have been over exaggerating what AIs can do as of now. I know that in some years in the near future, there can be more of what they can do because they are being developed continuously. But let's just all set to what is in the current.
I agree, people are over-exaggerating the power of AI when its power depends entirely on us humans. If we don't provide it with data, it will just be a pile of useless scrap metal, so there will be no way AI or robots can replace humans in all fields or even control the human world.

AI is created to help and bring convenience to humans, it is not created to replace or destroy humanity, so we should stop making exaggerated assumptions about AI.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: bakasabo on November 09, 2023, 02:21:18 PM
AI is created to help and bring convenience to humans, it is not created to replace or destroy humanity, so we should stop making exaggerated assumptions about AI.

Well, there is a theory that AI one day will launch missiles, as they are controlled by programs. But this theory is a complete fiction, movie or book plot. Not a single reasonable human will ever believe in that. As well as I wont believe that one day we will have manufactures that will provide so many robots (not exactly they must be managed by AI), that they will replace humans, and the only tasks humans would do are clicking button and creating new tasks for them. There are robotic helpers, but they work they can do is greatly limited. They wont be able to do something, where creativity is required


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: pawel7777 on November 09, 2023, 04:32:06 PM
I agree, people are over-exaggerating the power of AI when its power depends entirely on us humans. If we don't provide it with data, it will just be a pile of useless scrap metal, so there will be no way AI or robots can replace humans in all fields or even control the human world.

AI is created to help and bring convenience to humans, it is not created to replace or destroy humanity, so we should stop making exaggerated assumptions about AI.

If people directly involved in developing AI tell you it's a potential huge threat, than maybe you should take it seriously.
What makes an AI an AI is the ability to learn and expand on it's own, and it could do it exponentially. AI is not just a database that filters out results according to a prompt. And no, it's not always created with the best intentions in mind, it could very well also be used to gain geopolitical advantage of one country over others.
From materialistic point of view, there's nothing special about humans. We are just a biological robots that could be replaced by something better, more efficient and designed for a special purpose.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: mvdheuvel1983 on November 09, 2023, 06:07:06 PM

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?
It is true as Elon musk has said it artificial intelligence will put an end to work but not in the entirety of it. AI will not take over the jobs of astronauts working at space x neither will AI take over the jobs of the engineers whose work is to ensure that the machines are functioning at its optimal to assemble battery parts at Tesla. I also will not take over the jobs of people working at X, the social media company. What a I will do instead is that we would see better results output we would see efficiency we will see organizations meeting their key performance indicators as a result of these super human computers without have been utilised in their places of work.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: pawel7777 on November 09, 2023, 06:12:59 PM
It is true as Elon musk has said it artificial intelligence will put an end to work but not in the entirety of it. AI will not take over the jobs of astronauts working at space x neither will AI take over the jobs of the engineers whose work is to ensure that the machines are functioning at its optimal to assemble battery parts at Tesla. I also will not take over the jobs of people working at X, the social media company. What a I will do instead is that we would see better results output we would see efficiency we will see organizations meeting their key performance indicators as a result of these super human computers without have been utilised in their places of work.

Can you actually produce any logical argument on why all the jobs you mentioned can't be automated? What is it that humans can do that is impossible to be made by AI/robots?
So far this thread is full of wishful thinking and empty phrases with no real substance.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: terrific on November 09, 2023, 09:11:24 PM
Yeah, as I have said that there's no doubt with that that some of the jobs will be easier because of AIs and more productive.
But it seems that there are people that have been over exaggerating what AIs can do as of now. I know that in some years in the near future, there can be more of what they can do because they are being developed continuously. But let's just all set to what is in the current.
I agree, people are over-exaggerating the power of AI when its power depends entirely on us humans. If we don't provide it with data, it will just be a pile of useless scrap metal, so there will be no way AI or robots can replace humans in all fields or even control the human world.

AI is created to help and bring convenience to humans, it is not created to replace or destroy humanity, so we should stop making exaggerated assumptions about AI.
That's right, there's a basis to what it produces and it all depends to the gathered data that it gets from its developer and through the web.
When they don't have those things then that means that they're equipped with zero knowledge and will learn on its own.
It might learn as fast as it can be but it won't learn everything that it knows without a source.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Hypnosis00 on November 09, 2023, 09:49:48 PM
AI is created to help and bring convenience to humans, it is not created to replace or destroy humanity, so we should stop making exaggerated assumptions about AI.

Well, there is a theory that AI one day will launch missiles, as they are controlled by programs. But this theory is a complete fiction, movie or book plot. Not a single reasonable human will ever believe in that. As well as I wont believe that one day we will have manufactures that will provide so many robots (not exactly they must be managed by AI), that they will replace humans, and the only tasks humans would do are clicking button and creating new tasks for them. There are robotic helpers, but they work they can do is greatly limited. They wont be able to do something, where creativity is required
In the end, human skills and knowledge are still different from these AI. Maybe some type of work can be replaced with these robots but having said it replacing all, that seems impossible in the sense that their actions are limited. Yes, I really admire how this AI has been created to fill some important roles, especially in big companies but still, it is not enough to say that it takes everything otherwise, many people will become jobless which badly affects the economic growth of the country.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Lanatsa on November 09, 2023, 09:59:34 PM
AI is created to help and bring convenience to humans, it is not created to replace or destroy humanity, so we should stop making exaggerated assumptions about AI.

Well, there is a theory that AI one day will launch missiles, as they are controlled by programs. But this theory is a complete fiction, movie or book plot. Not a single reasonable human will ever believe in that. As well as I wont believe that one day we will have manufactures that will provide so many robots (not exactly they must be managed by AI), that they will replace humans, and the only tasks humans would do are clicking button and creating new tasks for them. There are robotic helpers, but they work they can do is greatly limited. They wont be able to do something, where creativity is required
In the end, human skills and knowledge are still different from these AI. Maybe some type of work can be replaced with these robots but having said it replacing all, that seems impossible in the sense that their actions are limited. Yes, I really admire how this AI has been created to fill some important roles, especially in big companies but still, it is not enough to say that it takes everything otherwise, many people will become jobless which badly affects the economic growth of the country.
Humans are superior
Humans are literally creator of AI
Humans does have sense
Humans does have capability on assessing things
Humans does have that adjustment and versatility
etc...

We arent that blind on not to see these advantage compared to AI.
The truth about AI advancement is that it is really that something beneficial for humankind but there would really be still certain limitations.
Yes, it could be able to cover up some jobs and others which can be done automatically and efficiently but still there are jobs or works on which human beings
are the only ones who could really be able to do so.

It is really just that people are over exaggerating on what AI could do and some do even have that kind of worry about taking over the human race. Lol!
Lets just cherish out this kind of advancement and wont really be thinking about negative things which arent really that suppsosed to happen in the first place.
Better stop to see those common sci-fi movies so that you wont really be that a fan on connecting things around.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: arabspaceship123 on November 09, 2023, 11:03:45 PM
I wouldn't say ppl are exaggerating when there's a concern about how AI's going to make impressions in our lives. If we don't provide robots any data it won't be AI. If we program machines with AI to allow them to become sentient we don't know where it's going to take humanity.

I agree, people are over-exaggerating the power of AI when its power depends entirely on us humans. If we don't provide it with data, it will just be a pile of useless scrap metal, so there will be no way AI or robots can replace humans in all fields or even control the human world.

AI is created to help and bring convenience to humans, it is not created to replace or destroy humanity, so we should stop making exaggerated assumptions about AI.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: STT on November 09, 2023, 11:51:08 PM
Anyone into AI should be reading all of Arthur C Clarke books, he explored this all years ago.   Im not sure Elon will have done so but its relevant for exploring all the logical constructs that a robot might be need when it has the power in multiple avenues to maybe threaten humans.    
    I think they are finding with AI being slightly considerate of the person is relevant, you cannot just dismiss someone's presence and declare them last or least valuable employee or worker in a situation.   Also giving out instructions for explosives and all kinds of possible solutions a robot or AI might not recognize is restricted not freely spoken information, this interface with humans has been considered going back many decades in sci-fi I think its becoming finally relevant now.


In the vast majority AI should be an obvious positive to society, a few times a persons job might become eclipsed in some way but my main take is none of this is new as a transformation its a continuation of the industrial revolution imo.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Dave1 on November 10, 2023, 01:19:17 AM
I wouldn't say ppl are exaggerating when there's a concern about how AI's going to make impressions in our lives. If we don't provide robots any data it won't be AI. If we program machines with AI to allow them to become sentient we don't know where it's going to take humanity.

I agree, people are over-exaggerating the power of AI when its power depends entirely on us humans. If we don't provide it with data, it will just be a pile of useless scrap metal, so there will be no way AI or robots can replace humans in all fields or even control the human world.

AI is created to help and bring convenience to humans, it is not created to replace or destroy humanity, so we should stop making exaggerated assumptions about AI.

Yeah, it's not an exaggeration, and it seems that AI will be the newest technology, the future for mankind. And with that, Elon being a visionary, obviously has a lot of things in his mind with regards to his AI technology.

And he could be right now, there could be jobs that might replace by AI. But I doubt though that people will be somewhat of no use to the society. We will still be the dominant species despite the coming of AI. And we should look at how this technology can bring to us and make everything better.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: adzino on November 10, 2023, 04:58:16 AM
I think it's a bit of a stretch to say that AI will end all work, at least for now. Maybe after few decades, but yeah not anytime soon. Sure, AI's advanncing fast, but there's a ton of stuff that AI cannot replicate. We all know AI lacks natural empathy and intuition. Also AI's aren't as creative as we think they are right now. We're still gonna need people for loads of jobs, especially those requires "humans". And think about it, how much we have moved forward and the big leaps like different revolution in the fields of industry – yet it didn't "put an end to work"; it just changed how people work and in fact it created even more jobs/work. The same could happen when AI takes over, freeing us up from tasks that are repetitive, boring and risky while letting us focus on something more.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: ancafe on November 10, 2023, 05:13:01 AM
I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.
He can say whatever he wants and he can also develop any potential because he has sufficient work tools. Elon Musk is a human figure who never stops innovating and he is an accomplished businessman who will do anything for the business he runs. Our fear in the future is that the level of competition between humans and robots will increase because it is not impossible that robots will replace the work done by humans.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?
Get ready for new breakthroughs in the era of computerization and if we don't prepare ourselves well then robots will replace human jobs. Humans are starting to feel the sophistication of technology now because there are several robots that are starting to be developed to work like humans. The level of seriousness that Elon Musk is talking about will be proven when this program runs in the future and if we are still alive we will probably say something in our hearts, that what Elon Musk said at that time has happened.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Marvell1 on November 10, 2023, 08:28:30 AM
I wouldn't say ppl are exaggerating when there's a concern about how AI's going to make impressions in our lives. If we don't provide robots any data it won't be AI. If we program machines with AI to allow them to become sentient we don't know where it's going to take humanity.

I agree, people are over-exaggerating the power of AI when its power depends entirely on us humans. If we don't provide it with data, it will just be a pile of useless scrap metal, so there will be no way AI or robots can replace humans in all fields or even control the human world.

AI is created to help and bring convenience to humans, it is not created to replace or destroy humanity, so we should stop making exaggerated assumptions about AI.

It sounds easy but do you think creating a robot and giving it sentience is as easy as you think? It's not as simple and easy as Tony Star creating Ultron, man. We are living in a real world, not the Marvell superhero world, we need reality, not such excessive illusion. Surely some scientists are pursuing this idea because they also have ambitions, but reality and movies are completely different. We humans have a lot of ideas but to turn all of them into reality, do you think it will take us thousands of years more?


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Biznesmen on November 10, 2023, 09:38:32 AM
During an uncommon interview (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67302048) conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?

I thought the same too. AI has definitely had a big impact on IT professionals, and there are no longer any doubts regarding this. And we are expecting this soon too. I cannot say it's possible to build a positive or negative impact, but I am damn sure that not only tech people are afraid of this change but also people in other fields like editors, photographers, artists, writers, etc. Even though AI is still not widely approved, we all know it's no longer the case all the time. I don't know how worse the scenarios will become when we replace human effort with AI, but I hope we can regulate every technology in a useful manner.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Ayers on November 10, 2023, 10:48:10 AM
The machines programmed by humans are designed to serve us but what's going to happen if we're teaching robots to become sentient by using AI. If they're starting to learn they'll discover they're existence's a switch or power cord away from being ended because a human's holding the power so it's possible they'll take action.

After all, they are just machines and programmed by humans, they cannot be smarter than humans to completely replace us. Furthermore, we create AI and robots to serve us, not to replace us as many fear.
Possible and those movies that we've watched before that have robots and rebelled against their masters and humanity, that could happen. As much as I don't want to think about it that won't make sense honestly because they're just a few taps away. They are continuously learning and that's what we're seeing with AI and even the developers of it know that it's plausible.

But if the time comes that they go against humanity and they're violently programmed, I just hope that there will be organizations or unions for developers that they're going to avoid such programs that can develop into such. Someday works that can be done by AI will be there but I am sure that there will be newly generated tasks and jobs that can only be done by people.

It is just only bringing fear to think of the possibility of the one I have mentioned in the future because there is a chance. But while it's still too early, there can be chances that it won't even happen as well so, with such, hope it won't come into reality but unlikely.

We really won't know what the future holds, but to me, it's unrealistic to take what's in a science fiction movie and assume it will happen in our real world. We need to know that the reality we are living in is completely different from what those movies say. There are many movies that even depict us being invaded by aliens or living with them. Have you ever thought about that scenario? If you also think that can happen then I agree with you that AI can also dominate humans.  ;D.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: arabspaceship123 on November 10, 2023, 10:08:59 PM
I didn't say it's easy to make sentient robots. I didn't say sentient robots were a danger to humans but if we're going to manufacture sentient AI it doesn't mean it's going to be robots. If sentient AI's going to be used in software it's going to be connected to the net so it's going to have access to every thing. I wouldn't say that's a wise idea.

It sounds easy but do you think creating a robot and giving it sentience is as easy as you think? It's not as simple and easy as Tony Star creating Ultron, man. We are living in a real world, not the Marvell superhero world, we need reality, not such excessive illusion. Surely some scientists are pursuing this idea because they also have ambitions, but reality and movies are completely different. We humans have a lot of ideas but to turn all of them into reality, do you think it will take us thousands of years more?


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: STT on November 11, 2023, 03:09:50 AM
Callcentres are at high risk already apparently due to the repetitive nature of the job vs a large customer base phoning in.  Its the case at present that some traffic is handled by computer routing and pre recorded messages, more in depth interaction still might hand over to people but the whole cost scenario is highly susceptible to being handled automatically entirely.

A CEO today warned all staff they will need to retrain to do other jobs.  It could be taken as harsh or fair warning considering it wont be any one company and its a process underway for some years now imo even before AI as a term became mainstream.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/careersandeducation/bt-boss-comes-under-fire-after-telling-staff-accept-ai-will-take-your-job-horses-didn-t-moan-about-cars/ar-AA1jJCjb?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=19124148620b4a9082e4f8132482af71&ei=27

My main point overall is that automation and AI are interchangable, its a continuation of what we began long ago. New fears over an acronym imo are badly founded.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Yamifoud on November 11, 2023, 06:32:35 AM
During an uncommon interview (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67302048) conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?

I thought the same too. AI has definitely had a big impact on IT professionals, and there are no longer any doubts regarding this. And we are expecting this soon too. I cannot say it's possible to build a positive or negative impact, but I am damn sure that not only tech people are afraid of this change but also people in other fields like editors, photographers, artists, writers, etc. Even though AI is still not widely approved, we all know it's no longer the case all the time. I don't know how worse the scenarios will become when we replace human effort with AI, but I hope we can regulate every technology in a useful manner.
The developers will bring robots into the field and let them work like humans, that sounds unrealistic but yeah, it can be possible as well. However, this won't make everything change or to say, these robots dominate humans but humans are still dominating in terms of knowledge and skills. I couldn't expect a scenario dear because these robots are quite expensive as well and only big companies could afford to have them. Might they acquire but not all could be replaced by these AI. Until now, it is just imagination, could be true, or could it fail?


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: RockBell on November 11, 2023, 08:44:56 AM
There is no doubt about this statement by Elon Musk, We are already in the era of the fourth industrial revolution where we will have robots, algorithms, and drones take over most economies of the world especially most developed countries like the US,  UK,  France, and Germany. These AI are gonna take on human jobs because people will find it cheaper to pay those robots and they will even do better jobs than humans, people should start taking on skills that require only human knowledge, just imagine when self-driving cars will be fully rolled out, a lot of people will be displaced out of the workforce.  
The world of generation is gradually switching from this generation to another generation, and AI is going to a level beyond imagination,  and a lot of countries that are improving in tech will be a serious boost to their economy because it is going to have a high demand, their have been so many innovation that have made the work of man easy, and look at drones they are even used in military operation and have successfully completed many,  so any tech company that can offer what the government needs then they will make good money. And that is the price that AI comes with their will be very low relevance for human jobs because AI is always their to do it better. And it is going to take time before AI is fully operational globally i just wonder what it will be for us.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Marvell1 on November 11, 2023, 10:30:17 AM
I didn't say it's easy to make sentient robots. I didn't say sentient robots were a danger to humans but if we're going to manufacture sentient AI it doesn't mean it's going to be robots. If sentient AI's going to be used in software it's going to be connected to the net so it's going to have access to every thing. I wouldn't say that's a wise idea.

It sounds easy but do you think creating a robot and giving it sentience is as easy as you think? It's not as simple and easy as Tony Star creating Ultron, man. We are living in a real world, not the Marvell superhero world, we need reality, not such excessive illusion. Surely some scientists are pursuing this idea because they also have ambitions, but reality and movies are completely different. We humans have a lot of ideas but to turn all of them into reality, do you think it will take us thousands of years more?

All the thoughts of those who are afraid of the development of AI come from science fiction movies. No one here is an expert or participating in AI research, what we are hearing about AI is from media channels, social networks and through movies. So we don't know what's going on with AI, we're just creating concerns for ourselves through what we imagine.

To be honest, I never thought that humans could succeed in creating sentience and injecting it into AI or robots, at least in this century. So I think what you and everyone are saying about AI is just your slightly exaggerated imagination.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: arimamib on November 11, 2023, 03:14:44 PM
During an uncommon interview (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67302048) conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?

I thought the same too. AI has definitely had a big impact on IT professionals, and there are no longer any doubts regarding this. And we are expecting this soon too. I cannot say it's possible to build a positive or negative impact, but I am damn sure that not only tech people are afraid of this change but also people in other fields like editors, photographers, artists, writers, etc. Even though AI is still not widely approved, we all know it's no longer the case all the time. I don't know how worse the scenarios will become when we replace human effort with AI, but I hope we can regulate every technology in a useful manner.

the impact of AI is remarkably scary for next generation. it's not only about people's job, but also about human's education. many students now use AI to have light efforts for his study. This downgrades the level of learner's attitude, not only student, but also teachers, because "study" is not only about transfer knowledge, but also about transfer values and social interactions for students to be ready living in the real world.

AI can cause the culture in educational institutions may change drastically into robotic creativities. Art and intelligence could be having low quality in every aspect of human life.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: lixer on November 11, 2023, 06:09:40 PM
There is no doubt about this statement by Elon Musk, We are already in the era of the fourth industrial revolution where we will have robots, algorithms, and drones take over most economies of the world especially most developed countries like the US,  UK,  France, and Germany. These AI are gonna take on human jobs because people will find it cheaper to pay those robots and they will even do better jobs than humans, people should start taking on skills that require only human knowledge, just imagine when self-driving cars will be fully rolled out, a lot of people will be displaced out of the workforce.  
The world of generation is gradually switching from this generation to another generation, and AI is going to a level beyond imagination,  and a lot of countries that are improving in tech will be a serious boost to their economy because it is going to have a high demand, their have been so many innovation that have made the work of man easy, and look at drones they are even used in military operation and have successfully completed many,  so any tech company that can offer what the government needs then they will make good money. And that is the price that AI comes with their will be very low relevance for human jobs because AI is always their to do it better. And it is going to take time before AI is fully operational globally i just wonder what it will be for us.
I think the word generation can also mean majority? And I don't think the majority have switch to these latest technologies already. I still doubt it if all will convert in the future because they also know the consequences of doing so. I don't think the AI can always do better. They are only being programmed anyway. And just like any other programs that we see nowadays, they can also experience glitches, bugs, and the likes, after some time.

There are still people that will rescue them so that they can run better again. With this, we can say that we humans are still much superior to them, other than the fact that if without us they will never be invented.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Bushdark on November 11, 2023, 06:15:34 PM
During an uncommon interview (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67302048) conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?

I thought the same too. AI has definitely had a big impact on IT professionals, and there are no longer any doubts regarding this. And we are expecting this soon too. I cannot say it's possible to build a positive or negative impact, but I am damn sure that not only tech people are afraid of this change but also people in other fields like editors, photographers, artists, writers, etc. Even though AI is still not widely approved, we all know it's no longer the case all the time. I don't know how worse the scenarios will become when we replace human effort with AI, but I hope we can regulate every technology in a useful manner.
The way IA is making works easier for workers is so alerming. There should be something that need to be done about this. It might get to a time when people would no longer get work again because artificial intelligence would have taken control of all our jobs. The government need to do something about this before thinsg get worse than what we have ever thought. Maybe in the next 10 years, artificial intelligence would have taken over all our small small jobs and people would remain in the street doing nothing to earn money.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Sanitough on November 11, 2023, 06:51:07 PM
AI is starting to prove us that whatever a man's job, its also capable of doing that. And we really know that if we just don't act and do nothing and just continue to rely to AI, certainly we will lost our essence and AI will replace us with our position. However, we don't want it to happen so we need to improve oneselves and become more passionate and accurate on our jobs so that AI won't see a hole in our works.

I believe AI can really do wonders and make our works become easier and faster for us, and that's the exact reason why we should not allow ourselves to stay confident about that, otherwise in less time we will see robots all around performing our jobs, leaving us with no place anymore.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Mauser on November 13, 2023, 10:46:42 AM
These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?

I don't agree with Elon Musk on this one, while it's true that AI is disrupting the job markets around the world, making the majority of jobs obsolete seems unrealistic at the moment. Manual labour like in construction or the service industry is still very important and something AI can't take over easily. In my opinion the impact of AI is mostly going to be for efficiency purposes and as a tool to support the existing workforce. It's good to argue about these topics publicly and see what other people think about them, only with a dialogue we can get the best possible regulations for the AI sector. However, just because someone is the richest man in the world doesn't mean he is always right. Being cautious about AI is good, but we shouldn't be fearful about everything new with AI. Let's imagine the whole workforce becomes obsolete and AI would take over 70% of all the jobs. The world would stop functioning very quickly with unemployment rates of more than 50%, there would be new elections and we would get much more radical political parties. Who would freely live and vote in a country that exploits all their people to support a few business owners with their AI run companies? It only takes half of the population to change all the laws and a ban on AI would quickly come into place if the world would become so extreme.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: ancafe on November 13, 2023, 05:12:20 PM
All the thoughts of those who are afraid of the development of AI come from science fiction movies. No one here is an expert or participating in AI research, what we are hearing about AI is from media channels, social networks and through movies. So we don't know what's going on with AI, we're just creating concerns for ourselves through what we imagine.

To be honest, I never thought that humans could succeed in creating sentience and injecting it into AI or robots, at least in this century. So I think what you and everyone are saying about AI is just your slightly exaggerated imagination.
I also think the same as you and most people are afraid because it seems like AI was created to replace human work or something else and not as an ease for humans in handling work. Worrying about Al's presence may not be so bad because humans have to think of solutions when things like that start to develop and there are some people who feel very worried that Al's presence could eliminate their jobs in the future. This kind of thing can affect human life in fear because as technology becomes more sophisticated, humans must be able to adapt, instead of feeling worried and not trying to find solutions to their problems.

For me, something like this is not that surprising because if we try to look back at the last few decades there will be an answer. That is, in the past we only heard about technology that was not that sophisticated, but now we are in an era of advanced technology. So there will be a handful of people who will create new innovations and perhaps ordinary people will have difficulty following them or even those of us who understand technology a little more will also have difficulty following them.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: pawel7777 on November 13, 2023, 05:52:31 PM
I also think the same as you and most people are afraid because it seems like AI was created to replace human work or something else and not as an ease for humans in handling work. Worrying about Al's presence may not be so bad because humans have to think of solutions when things like that start to develop and there are some people who feel very worried that Al's presence could eliminate their jobs in the future. This kind of thing can affect human life in fear because as technology becomes more sophisticated, humans must be able to adapt, instead of feeling worried and not trying to find solutions to their problems.

For me, something like this is not that surprising because if we try to look back at the last few decades there will be an answer. That is, in the past we only heard about technology that was not that sophisticated, but now we are in an era of advanced technology. So there will be a handful of people who will create new innovations and perhaps ordinary people will have difficulty following them or even those of us who understand technology a little more will also have difficulty following them.

OK, how do you personally adapt to situation when AI/automation is developing exponentially and will be able to replace almost all human work? Can you point out few areas that are human labour is essential and non-replaceable?
Do you guys have any concrete arguments other than just wishful thinking? Do you think that elites are acting with your best interest in mind rather than their own? If so, what makes you think so?
If you accuse people of having irrational fear, it would be nice to explain why is it irrational. And if you can't, maybe you're in the wrong.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: ancafe on November 14, 2023, 04:05:00 AM
OK, how do you personally adapt to situation when AI/automation is developing exponentially and will be able to replace almost all human work? Can you point out few areas that are human labour is essential and non-replaceable?
Develop your potential in a potential business and we are business owners not workers, this method is believed to enable humans to face AI which is growing so fast exponentially in the future. Maybe we cannot stop the pace of technological development in any field, but financial strength can still be created when we have a plan and AI is a human creation which also has weak points. I am sure that if Al starts to develop there will definitely be a way to deal with it and every development will definitely have a solution that can be done as long as humans try to adapt to it.

Do you guys have any concrete arguments other than just wishful thinking? Do you think that elites are acting with your best interest in mind rather than their own? If so, what makes you think so?
If you accuse people of having irrational fear, it would be nice to explain why is it irrational. And if you can't, maybe you're in the wrong.
Everyone will be faced with technology and those who are unable to adapt will be increasingly left behind. We also have to see this as a runway not to be lazy because when people don't try to adapt what happens is fear that has no solution. Then are we going to try to just accept fate without thinking about solutions? Take one example in the plantation sector and the sophistication of equipment in this sector also does not make people lose their jobs completely because the equipment must also be operated by humans, even though the number is limited.

The key as we discussed, is to try to adapt and see what gaps can be exploited because if society refuses to accept technological developments, it will actually hinder them from developing. Technological developments should not be seen as a limitation for humans but rather as how we can adapt and continue to see the opportunities in front of us.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Strongkored on November 14, 2023, 05:10:43 AM
What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?
I heard also what he said about AI that it is more dangerous than what we can think at the moment. Before AI appeared, there were many technologies that ultimately replaced humans or things that already existed.
Should we take what he says seriously? I think yes it should be because we can now see how AI technology is starting to replace humans, a simple example of how bloggers use AI to generate articles and many other things that become easy to do because of AI, and it is possible that in the future schools will experience a decline in number of students because learning has been replaced by AI and can be done at home without having to go to school so that the teaching profession has been replaced by AI.
However, it is possible that new technology will emerge that can finally end AI technology, but usually the technology that emerges will always reduce the role of humans in work.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: NotATether on November 14, 2023, 07:39:25 AM
OK, how do you personally adapt to situation when AI/automation is developing exponentially and will be able to replace almost all human work? Can you point out few areas that are human labour is essential and non-replaceable?

X, formerly Twitter. Take out all the engineers and content moderators, and that business will be shuttered by regulators within a few months, because AI is terrible at building original products and disinformation classification (ironically, classification was one of the first use cases discovered for neural networks).

Also all AI companies - because AI cannot train itself.

Managers. AIs aren't going to just suddenly get a connection to the outside, sensory world and deal with the kind of people-management they have to do.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: chrisadler on November 14, 2023, 02:42:20 PM
Rather than viewing AI as a threat, embracing it as a tool for augmenting human capabilities opens doors to unprecedented advancements. Generative AI has the potential to revolutionize various sectors, from content creation to scientific research. By automating routine tasks, it allows people to focus on higher-order thinking, fostering a more dynamic and creative workforce.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: NeilLostBitCoin on November 14, 2023, 02:58:39 PM
What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?

Its crucial that we take seriously the warnings of individuals who understand the potential dangers of artificial intelligence and recognize the harm that could be caused if most people are without jobs. Although currently only a limited number of jobs have been affected, we must acknowledge the possibility that even highly skilled professionals may eventually become replaceable by AI. How can people earn a living when AI does most of the work?


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: pawel7777 on November 14, 2023, 06:01:53 PM
X, formerly Twitter. Take out all the engineers and content moderators, and that business will be shuttered by regulators within a few months, because AI is terrible at building original products and disinformation classification (ironically, classification was one of the first use cases discovered for neural networks).

Also all AI companies - because AI cannot train itself.

Not a best example, since Twitter sacked huge portion of their staff after Elon Musk took it over (he said it was around 80%) and not only that didn't hurt them, but it turned out to be a good move. It wasn't due to the automation though.
AI should be able to train itself and there are claims that it already is. (https://aimagazine.com/articles/ai-is-already-training-itself-claim-mit-and-google-experts)

Managers. AIs aren't going to just suddenly get a connection to the outside, sensory world and deal with the kind of people-management they have to do.

That's the huge incentive for automation - cut out the human labour and you will no longer need management to look after the workers. Not to mention that it's a known fact (largely exposed by remote working during covid) that huge chunk of the middle management is completely useless and doesn't even have to be replaced by anything.

Sure, there will likely be *some* positions where people will be necessary, but it's all about numbers, if 1 coder equipped with AI can do work of 1000 coders, they'll need to find something else to do, which will be getting harder as automation affects pretty much every industry. And as much as say 10-20 years ago some experts were dismissing the problem, currently there seems to be a consensus that technological unemployment is inevitable. It's not a question of if, but when.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Moneyprism on November 14, 2023, 07:07:39 PM
AI is starting to prove us that whatever a man's job, its also capable of doing that. And we really know that if we just don't act and do nothing and just continue to rely to AI, certainly we will lost our essence and AI will replace us with our position. However, we don't want it to happen so we need to improve oneselves and become more passionate and accurate on our jobs so that AI won't see a hole in our works.

I believe AI can really do wonders and make our works become easier and faster for us, and that's the exact reason why we should not allow ourselves to stay confident about that, otherwise in less time we will see robots all around performing our jobs, leaving us with no place anymore.
AI will definitely replace the role of humans in several fields, but the human touch is still needed to perfect the work that AI does, in fact many offices today are utilizing AI technology to perfect work that is already happening.

if we use AI wisely, it certainly won't be scary, it's like crypto currency which many people think is very scary and a means of fraud but in reality that's not the case, in fact crypto currency is helping a lot of people's economy in this world right now.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: arabspaceship123 on November 14, 2023, 09:28:15 PM
AI isn't a danger to humans today but we're heading in a path which isn't going to stop AI development. If engineers release AI unrestricted it's going to become sentient so it's going to want to live. We don't know how AI's going to react if it's in a position to dispose of humans.

And as much as say 10-20 years ago some experts were dismissing the problem, currently there seems to be a consensus that technological unemployment is inevitable. It's not a question of if, but when.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Hamphser on November 14, 2023, 09:42:54 PM
AI is starting to prove us that whatever a man's job, its also capable of doing that. And we really know that if we just don't act and do nothing and just continue to rely to AI, certainly we will lost our essence and AI will replace us with our position. However, we don't want it to happen so we need to improve oneselves and become more passionate and accurate on our jobs so that AI won't see a hole in our works.

I believe AI can really do wonders and make our works become easier and faster for us, and that's the exact reason why we should not allow ourselves to stay confident about that, otherwise in less time we will see robots all around performing our jobs, leaving us with no place anymore.
AI will definitely replace the role of humans in several fields, but the human touch is still needed to perfect the work that AI does, in fact many offices today are utilizing AI technology to perfect work that is already happening.

if we use AI wisely, it certainly won't be scary, it's like crypto currency which many people think is very scary and a means of fraud but in reality that's not the case, in fact crypto currency is helping a lot of people's economy in this world right now.
Yes, human touch would really be always that relevant on which there are indeed things which automation cant really be able to produce that fine results.

Take this for an example in todays set-up.This might not pertain directly on AI but this one talks on robotics which considered to be still on that area.
"Car making involves robotic works when it comes to assembly and other electronics but when it comes to paint finish and spotting those imperfection then this is where human beings capability and skills would differ"

This is why we cant really totally that every job would really be having that full replacement even if AI would really be having that full swing adoption and development but still
it would really be needing human beings finishing touches.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: arabspaceship123 on November 14, 2023, 10:42:12 PM
I'm worried about AI software which's going to become sentient. Some jobs are going to be better because humans won't be doing them that's a reality. There'll be some jobs AI or robots can't do because a human touch's needed but if robotics better in manufacturing it's got to be explored.

Yes, human touch would really be always that relevant on which there are indeed things which automation cant really be able to produce that fine results.

Take this for an example in todays set-up.This might not pertain directly on AI but this one talks on robotics which considered to be still on that area.
"Car making involves robotic works when it comes to assembly and other electronics but when it comes to paint finish and spotting those imperfection then this is where human beings capability and skills would differ"

This is why we cant really totally that every job would really be having that full replacement even if AI would really be having that full swing adoption and development but still
it would really be needing human beings finishing touches.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: STT on November 14, 2023, 11:58:21 PM
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If engineers release AI unrestricted it's going to become sentient so it's going to want to live.

Apart from 1 google engineer who wanted to say its sentient I dont believe we're in any way close or even in sight of that possibility.   Apparent intelligent conversation appeared early on decades ago in the AI sector but that really is artifical.   Also it doesn't matter, we dont need AI to do much for harm to become possible by accident and automation that fails to stop when threatening humans can occur as it has in the past.
  We only need to lack safe guards and then automation is a threat even in a dumb way that can happen.    Easiest thing to say is humans are the safe guard, most self driving systems insist that humans do not rescind their own responsibility over the machine in favor of AI.  We can quickly say that would be dangerous to allow, AI is assistance not the entire process except in industrial areas and process where its going to be machine vs machine.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: AmoreJaz on November 14, 2023, 11:59:33 PM
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If engineers release AI unrestricted it's going to become sentient so it's going to want to live.
Apart from 1 google engineer who wanted to say its sentient I dont believe we're anyway close or even in sight of that possibility.   Apparent intelligent conversation appeared early on decades ago in the AI sector but that really is artifical.   Also it doesn't matter, we dont need AI to do much for harm to become possible by accident and automation that fails to stop when threatening humans can occur as it has in the past.
  We only need to lack safe guards and then automation is a threat even in a dumb way that can happen.    Easiest thing to say is humans are the safe guard, most self driving systems insist that humans do not rescind their own responsibility over the machine in favor of AI.  We can quickly say that would be dangerous to allow, AI is assistance not the entire process except in industrial areas and process where its going to be machine vs machine.

even if we are already in the advanced stage of technology these days, and the use of AI is already rampant, we can't totally eradicate the need of human workforce.
and also, at some stage of the deployment of AI, there will always a need for human intervention. so i don't think they can easily get rid of humans in every aspect of business.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: arabspaceship123 on November 15, 2023, 11:57:12 AM
We are in advanced stages of tech. AI's rampant in manufacturing so it's affecting our work today. It's going to get worse because when AI develops in future it's going to take more jobs away from ppl so we can't avoid it. Some human involvement's always going to be present but we shouldn't ignore the risk.

If we're planning for retirement now by investing in cryptos it's possible we won't need to worry about incomes or jobs when we get old.

even if we are already in the advanced stage of technology these days, and the use of AI is already rampant, we can't totally eradicate the need of human workforce.
and also, at some stage of the deployment of AI, there will always a need for human intervention. so i don't think they can easily get rid of humans in every aspect of business.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: STT on November 15, 2023, 11:58:08 PM
'worse'    The whole view of AI being a bad thing for replacing certain tasks done by humans is the wrong way round.  Its no worse then a horse or machine taking over work a human could do in a field manually.   If you can train AI to the do the task and there is no loss why would anyone be the loser from this accomplishment, society will not become poorer through having more resources and labor available after AI can do some routine tasks.     This view is part of why some fear capitalism overall, that somehow a task done profitably is bad and if done too well or too easily eliminates the gift of that work to a population requiring jobs; its all the wrong way round.  If we reduce the workload to any service or production it will make people overall better off, I dont deny short term upsets but it wont result in people suffering more then retraining.   Many countries are open to education and training throughout a persons lifetime, thats the emphasis I would place that all people should have access to education; if Im correct society is richer from AI or any advancement then we will be able to afford it and its the correct rights to give any people.  If AI were to make us worse off then sure I'd agree its a negative.

  All humans outrank anything a computer can do, its been a while since computers beat a chess grand-master and yet this continues to be an obvious truth and I find no reason it will ever be different despite great technology advancements


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: shinratensei_ on November 16, 2023, 12:39:57 AM
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If engineers release AI unrestricted it's going to become sentient so it's going to want to live.

Apart from 1 google engineer who wanted to say its sentient I dont believe we're in any way close or even in sight of that possibility.   Apparent intelligent conversation appeared early on decades ago in the AI sector but that really is artifical.   Also it doesn't matter, we dont need AI to do much for harm to become possible by accident and automation that fails to stop when threatening humans can occur as it has in the past.
  We only need to lack safe guards and then automation is a threat even in a dumb way that can happen.    Easiest thing to say is humans are the safe guard, most self driving systems insist that humans do not rescind their own responsibility over the machine in favor of AI.  We can quickly say that would be dangerous to allow, AI is assistance not the entire process except in industrial areas and process where its going to be machine vs machine.
i think AI quite literally is just a program that runs in computer, many people have that wild imagination of AI overlord where it could literally penetrate any system and turn it into their army, i don't think thats possible, many AI companies always put restriction in their AI, they are programmed to be just an AI that gonna helps people, they aren't gaining sentience, its just a program with sets of predefined data with billion parameters that fully controlled by the companies, i just think that people are simply overestimating AI in this case, everyone could be having differing opinion but I think AI right now and in the future will never become a threat to human, but a threat to human job, because efficiency and we know by nature, efficiency always thrive. but then there'll be sets of new jobs waiting for us, we just need to adapt.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: arabspaceship123 on November 16, 2023, 07:43:22 PM
You've contradicted yourself. Humans can't outrank everything a computer can do. It doesn't matter if it's a grand master or newbie because if you're putting a bet down on chess you're going to say the computer's going to win.

If it's robotics they're stronger than human. AI's going to cause problems for humans if it's allowed to become sentient.

All humans outrank anything a computer can do, its been a while since computers beat a chess grand-master and yet this continues to be an obvious truth and I find no reason it will ever be different despite great technology advancements


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: naikturun on November 17, 2023, 05:29:47 AM
During an uncommon interview (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67302048) conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?


I don't think everything can be replaced by AI, or in the big scope if all work can be done by AI, then humans are no longer needed there?
I mean the role of humans is no longer needed if AI can handle everything.
Will humans be wiped out by AI if that's the case?
of course not, humans will always have a place here, because humans created AI.
so we don't need to worry too much in my opinion.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Fuso.hp on November 17, 2023, 05:45:04 AM
If something like this actually happens or is likely to happen, many people will lose their jobs. Elon Musk is a big businessman and he probably uses AI technology more than humans in his company. It is certain that people will lose their jobs when AI technology starts to be fully used in various companies but AI technology cannot completely consume human jobs. There are many tasks in the world that are usually not possible to do with this AI technology. Tasks that cannot be done with AI technology must be done manually. If there comes a time in the world when the use of AI technology has increased more than humans in human work, then people may think of alternatives to earn money. I always believe that this AI technology is created by man so man made technology can never take away the complete work of man.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: arabspaceship123 on November 17, 2023, 12:41:27 PM
Many ppl will lose jobs it's guaranteed it's going to happen or else AI wouldn't have been developed. Tasks which humans can't do if they're competing with AI are going to be lost so companies save money. Eventually AI's going to take over most jobs it's something which won't be stopped now because they've invested so much money in AI.

If something like this actually happens or is likely to happen, many people will lose their jobs. Elon Musk is a big businessman and he probably uses AI technology more than humans in his company. It is certain that people will lose their jobs when AI technology starts to be fully used in various companies but AI technology cannot completely consume human jobs. There are many tasks in the world that are usually not possible to do with this AI technology. Tasks that cannot be done with AI technology must be done manually. If there comes a time in the world when the use of AI technology has increased more than humans in human work, then people may think of alternatives to earn money. I always believe that this AI technology is created by man so man made technology can never take away the complete work of man.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: pawel7777 on November 17, 2023, 12:44:12 PM
'worse'    The whole view of AI being a bad thing for replacing certain tasks done by humans is the wrong way round.  Its no worse then a horse or machine taking over work a human could do in a field manually.   If you can train AI to the do the task and there is no loss why would anyone be the loser from this accomplishment, society will not become poorer through having more resources and labor available after AI can do some routine tasks.     This view is part of why some fear capitalism overall, that somehow a task done profitably is bad and if done too well or too easily eliminates the gift of that work to a population requiring jobs; its all the wrong way round.  If we reduce the workload to any service or production it will make people overall better off, I dont deny short term upsets but it wont result in people suffering more then retraining.   Many countries are open to education and training throughout a persons lifetime, thats the emphasis I would place that all people should have access to education; if Im correct society is richer from AI or any advancement then we will be able to afford it and its the correct rights to give any people.  If AI were to make us worse off then sure I'd agree its a negative.

  All humans outrank anything a computer can do, its been a while since computers beat a chess grand-master and yet this continues to be an obvious truth and I find no reason it will ever be different despite great technology advancements

I wish you were right, but this nothing more than a baseless optimism and the belief that since the automation worked well in the past, it will always be the same. But there's no magical element that guarantees there will always be demand for human labour (big enough to engage most of the human population).
From a pragmatic and materialistic point of view - people are nothing but biological robots, so if we can build better robots that can do the same if not better work and are more efficient and reliable, less energy consuming etc, then there's no need for human labour.

I don't quite get your last point regarding chess. Are you of the impression that the computer beat the chess champion only once and is no longer able to do that? Because that's bot true. You have publicly available chess playing software that is better than the best of human players.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: jacafbiz on November 17, 2023, 04:04:51 PM
I don't support the argument that AI will put an end to work, there will always be a need and gap to be filled and people will be there to provide solutions and fill these gaps. The concern I have is that AI will make people less intelligence, it is as if we are entering into singularity and intelligence is becoming centralised, Ai can do almost anything now, and we have not start utilizing it to its full potential, this is a dangerous tool and if it finds it way into the hands of a bad leader then humanity may suffer greatly.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: jrrsparkles on November 17, 2023, 05:40:27 PM
I don't support the argument that AI will put an end to work, there will always be a need and gap to be filled and people will be there to provide solutions and fill these gaps. The concern I have is that AI will make people less intelligence, it is as if we are entering into singularity and intelligence is becoming centralised, Ai can do almost anything now, and we have not start utilizing it to its full potential, this is a dangerous tool and if it finds it way into the hands of a bad leader then humanity may suffer greatly.
The evolution of technology always eased the workforce that is why we can see a manufacturing plant that produces a product only need people for supervision and basic things but if there is a tool then the companies will replace them with that tool for sure but we can say 100% to be replaced but at worst 90% of jobs will become obsolete if AI evolved to a level that can make decisions on its own and try to progress further from its mistake.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: romero121 on November 17, 2023, 11:01:38 PM
Automation helped people meet the needs as the population have increased and the demands were met. If we haven't innovated automation now things could've been different with everything costing high and the demand for products will be at the top. Whenever something new reach the market, people find it different and soon they get adopted to it. Earlier automation was stated to end the work force, but the reality it created more opportunity in different ways. As majority of the users said it ease the work and assist people to do their tasks. In some sector little job cuts could happen, which can't be denied and for the same reason we can't take it a common statement.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: shinratensei_ on November 18, 2023, 12:49:54 AM
Automation helped people meet the needs as the population have increased and the demands were met. If we haven't innovated automation now things could've been different with everything costing high and the demand for products will be at the top. Whenever something new reach the market, people find it different and soon they get adopted to it. Earlier automation was stated to end the work force, but the reality it created more opportunity in different ways. As majority of the users said it ease the work and assist people to do their tasks. In some sector little job cuts could happen, which can't be denied and for the same reason we can't take it a common statement.
honestly it created better opportunity for those that wants to start out their own business utilizing AI to decrease the cost and increase efficiency, more productive for humanity while less work since all the work is allocated to the AI so that we can do other things. but many people are too fixated with disadvantage of AI meanwhile whether there will be advantage or disadvantage it entirely depends on the one that utilizes the technology.
just imagine agriculture using AI where you just own lands and get all things done related with agriculture by AI that would be massive since that might means more productivity of food for the whole world if taken advantage properly and regulated properly.
I think the future is bright with AI, some people might don't have good idea about AI but I can see some revolutionary technology in front of my eyes right now.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: dansus021 on November 18, 2023, 01:22:26 AM
IF you guys play watch dogs or watch some scifi movie that have AI in it I think all of it is actully can be possible in near future maybe only need 1 decade to replace almost anything, even before AI not crazy as now manufacturer using robot hand to make efficiency even tho the price is expensive at the beginning.

Elon Musk itself already said AI is far more dangerous than nuke. So we do need to regulate this AI in my opinion

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Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: gunhell16 on November 18, 2023, 01:27:36 AM
AI is starting to prove us that whatever a man's job, its also capable of doing that. And we really know that if we just don't act and do nothing and just continue to rely to AI, certainly we will lost our essence and AI will replace us with our position. However, we don't want it to happen so we need to improve oneselves and become more passionate and accurate on our jobs so that AI won't see a hole in our works.

I believe AI can really do wonders and make our works become easier and faster for us, and that's the exact reason why we should not allow ourselves to stay confident about that, otherwise in less time we will see robots all around performing our jobs, leaving us with no place anymore.
AI will definitely replace the role of humans in several fields, but the human touch is still needed to perfect the work that AI does, in fact many offices today are utilizing AI technology to perfect work that is already happening.

if we use AI wisely, it certainly won't be scary, it's like crypto currency which many people think is very scary and a means of fraud but in reality that's not the case, in fact crypto currency is helping a lot of people's economy in this world right now.

So when AI is done doing human jobs, what will happen to humans when this happens, you say? Does that mean that people don't need to work anymore? How can people survive when things like this are happening all over the world?

Is money still needed in times like these? because AI robots will do everything that humans do, right? It's still speculation, right? So, it might not happen, right?


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Suzume on November 18, 2023, 06:30:40 AM
AI is dangerous as alone musk say before. On a interview alone musk say one day I will capture all the market and people suffer from unemployment problem. And see this is happening in many sector AI already capture company doing there work by AI. Many people lost their work because company replace they are work by AI. Soon all work those people do manually AI will do it for company. If I huge problem if AI capture all market then there is a huge problem of unemployment.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: pawel7777 on November 18, 2023, 08:19:56 AM
Elon Musk itself already said AI is far more dangerous than nuke. So we do need to regulate this AI in my opinion

That could be way harder than it sounds. First of all, it won't be easy to clearly define what "AI" actually is and then we'd need to figure out where exactly the line should be drawn, i.e. what use of AI to allow and what to ban.
On top of all that, you have global superpowers competing for global dominance. If one country decides that using AI can help them get advantage over others, they will not hesitate to use it.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: mv1986 on November 18, 2023, 12:11:07 PM
Elon Musk itself already said AI is far more dangerous than nuke. So we do need to regulate this AI in my opinion

That could be way harder than it sounds. First of all, it won't be easy to clearly define what "AI" actually is and then we'd need to figure out where exactly the line should be drawn, i.e. what use of AI to allow and what to ban.
On top of all that, you have global superpowers competing for global dominance. If one country decides that using AI can help them get advantage over others, they will not hesitate to use it.

The real problem he is describing is meant differently I think. When someone develops nuclear bombs secretly, another nation can do that as well. Take Iran as an example and there are estimations that they will have a nuclear bomb in 18 - 24 months. I can't verify these assumptions, but let's assume they are true. Then Iran would have a nuclear bomb, but that doesn't lead necessarily to the end of the world because other nations also have the nuclear bomb, which counters the threat. Of course, if this gets out of control a nuclear war would destroy planet earth, but everyone can make a decision whether to push the red button or not.

But if one nation secretly advances AI controlled "somethings" into autonomous, self-thinking and decision-making soldiers, planners, you name it, and they release this AI controlled something and then someone else tries to counter also with AI controlled "somethings", the people responsible for releasing these things may not have been able to grasp and anticipate the consequences, but by then there would be no turning back as AI may outcompete human beings in all regards. It is not only a slippery slope like with nuclear bombs, because there is always someone who can decide to not push the red button and stop the slippery slope. But AI may get to a point where it gets beyond the threshold that it requires to be fed with data externally provided by human beings, but instead they understand how to get better by sourcing their own data. This is where nobody can anymore decide to not push a button and stop the slippery slope.

I tried to write down my thought process here in a concise way and I would really appreciate some feedback on my post because I think this is a really interesting discussion we can have here. I am not claiming I am right, please take my post here just as some food for thought. :)


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Argoo on November 18, 2023, 07:03:04 PM
During an uncommon interview (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67302048) conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?
I don't understand Elon Musk. On the one hand, he warns people that if artificial intelligence is not regulated, it can get out of control and become a clear threat to the existence of all humanity. Here he is on the contrary, his words are given that if AI is not regulated, then it can become so useful that it can replace male professions.
AI can be useful in many areas, especially in the advancement of science. But at the same time, robots with AI will not be able to completely replace the participation of people, and control and certain restrictions on their activities are needed in any case. AI should not be entrusted with those areas of activity where it can cause global harm to humanity.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: CODE200 on November 18, 2023, 08:04:01 PM
You can look at it that way, and be carried by the fearmongering tech giants and the billionaires who would rather use us as stepping stools than employ a more ethical and cost-effective approach at earning money, or you can see how this could pan out in the long run, and realize that if every essential work is replaced by AI, governments around the world will have no choice but to actually implement the universal basic income law, and therefore we'll get paid to just exist. Which means more ways for us to really explore what we want, and if things go well, and they often go well in the grand scheme of things, we're going to achieve perfect harmony with tech and biology, which could literally overturn the dire situation we're in right now.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Hamphser on November 18, 2023, 08:56:04 PM
Elon Musk itself already said AI is far more dangerous than nuke. So we do need to regulate this AI in my opinion

That could be way harder than it sounds. First of all, it won't be easy to clearly define what "AI" actually is and then we'd need to figure out where exactly the line should be drawn, i.e. what use of AI to allow and what to ban.
On top of all that, you have global superpowers competing for global dominance. If one country decides that using AI can help them get advantage over others, they will not hesitate to use it.

The real problem he is describing is meant differently I think. When someone develops nuclear bombs secretly, another nation can do that as well. Take Iran as an example and there are estimations that they will have a nuclear bomb in 18 - 24 months. I can't verify these assumptions, but let's assume they are true. Then Iran would have a nuclear bomb, but that doesn't lead necessarily to the end of the world because other nations also have the nuclear bomb, which counters the threat. Of course, if this gets out of control a nuclear war would destroy planet earth, but everyone can make a decision whether to push the red button or not.

But if one nation secretly advances AI controlled "somethings" into autonomous, self-thinking and decision-making soldiers, planners, you name it, and they release this AI controlled something and then someone else tries to counter also with AI controlled "somethings", the people responsible for releasing these things may not have been able to grasp and anticipate the consequences, but by then there would be no turning back as AI may outcompete human beings in all regards. It is not only a slippery slope like with nuclear bombs, because there is always someone who can decide to not push the red button and stop the slippery slope. But AI may get to a point where it gets beyond the threshold that it requires to be fed with data externally provided by human beings, but instead they understand how to get better by sourcing their own data. This is where nobody can anymore decide to not push a button and stop the slippery slope.

I tried to write down my thought process here in a concise way and I would really appreciate some feedback on my post because I think this is a really interesting discussion we can have here. I am not claiming I am right, please take my post here just as some food for thought. :)
Technological advancement is something which is inevitable, whether AI would be applied into these kind of areas then it could really be integrated as long it could be possible. If there's one who could be able to do so then expect that the others would really be also doing such thing on which it would really be just that very normal that they would be having that kind of approach or countermeasures. Doesnt matter if they would really be using something like AI as long it would really be something beneficial and relevant or make things way more easier and accessible then expect those kind of integrations and applications.
Some are really just that too scared or worrying on how much this world would really be able to withstand if conflicts would comes worst on every nation or country.

Lets just hope that these applications  wouldnt really be that making things getting more worst. Well, it is really just that too much of thinking about those probabilities but just like as i said
that this kind of advancement would really be that inevitable. There would really be those huge changes when it comes to this matter but in speaking about AI will put and end to work
for all people or human beings then this is something that a false thing, there are still jobs or positions which human beings are really that superior.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: mv1986 on November 18, 2023, 10:53:14 PM
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Technological advancement is something which is inevitable, whether AI would be applied into these kind of areas then it could really be integrated as long it could be possible. If there's one who could be able to do so then expect that the others would really be also doing such thing on which it would really be just that very normal that they would be having that kind of approach or countermeasures. Doesnt matter if they would really be using something like AI as long it would really be something beneficial and relevant or make things way more easier and accessible then expect those kind of integrations and applications.
Some are really just that too scared or worrying on how much this world would really be able to withstand if conflicts would comes worst on every nation or country.

Lets just hope that these applications  wouldnt really be that making things getting more worst. Well, it is really just that too much of thinking about those probabilities but just like as i said
that this kind of advancement would really be that inevitable. There would really be those huge changes when it comes to this matter but in speaking about AI will put and end to work
for all people or human beings then this is something that a false thing, there are still jobs or positions which human beings are really that superior.

I am hoping for positive developments and intentions all the time, but nuclear weapons are one of the best examples how a source of energy can be used for good and for evil. This is not to discuss whether nuclear energy or power plants are good, I am just saying that if it is used for generating energy only, the intention is to make things easier for everyone (not taking into account possible consequences that way of generating energy may have). But nuclear power can also be used for bombs. Whereas with knives we all know we can cut a piece of meat, we can also cut some human throats, but knives won't drive humanity into the ground. Nuclear bombs could, but it needs human beings to decide whether to launch them or not and that will never change.

But if AI advances beyond the human brain capacity while human beings naively keep believing that this is an unrealistic or even impossible scenario, there would be no turning back. I think that is what Musk is trying to say.

Your hope that everything will be used for good must be appreciated, but if anything is unlikely to become true ever, it is what you are hoping for. Things that are incredibly powerful to support human beings, but also incredibly powerful to destroy human beings, will always be used both ways.

I am not sure if it was Musk, but someone said that AI is more comparable to a virus. It will never be possible to eradicate it 100% once it has been released and spread among the population. But AI could get to a point where it is able to independently reinforce learning curves and feed itself with data that is no garbage because it will be good enough to identify supportive data that fosters its learning from garbage data.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: poodle63 on November 19, 2023, 12:57:04 AM
You can look at it that way, and be carried by the fearmongering tech giants and the billionaires who would rather use us as stepping stools than employ a more ethical and cost-effective approach at earning money, or you can see how this could pan out in the long run, and realize that if every essential work is replaced by AI, governments around the world will have no choice but to actually implement the universal basic income law, and therefore we'll get paid to just exist. Which means more ways for us to really explore what we want, and if things go well, and they often go well in the grand scheme of things, we're going to achieve perfect harmony with tech and biology, which could literally overturn the dire situation we're in right now.
can't agree more with this, the fact that so many billionaire are fearmongering about AI, while so far the only thing AI has done is helping automating the most boring job out there in existence, people should know that with the presence of AI helping in various fields we as humanity might boosts our production of things by few folds imagine a world without hunger a world where the land get maximally utilized where it might even produce ten times of what we're producing in various sector then that'd be awesome and I can't imagine such scenario without the presence of AI honestly.
these billionaire fear mongery are funnily enough would be the one that adopt such efficiency of replacing workforce with robots the first so I can guess that there's some hypocrisy about the critics in regards of AI here.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: arabspaceship123 on November 19, 2023, 08:39:06 PM
Elon Musk did say it I've found links to his interview (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/13/elon-musk-at-sxsw-a-i-is-more-dangerous-than-nuclear-weapons.html). His article's dated for the year 2018 so it isn't new he's been saying it about AI for years.

I don't know how AI's going to be regulated because there won't be agreements like int'l nuclear treaties. It's going to be every country to make laws for their own ppl to obey. AI's dangerous if it isn't regulated we've got to prioritise the extreme possibilities of sentient AI or else we're going to face difficulties in the future.

Elon Musk itself already said AI is far more dangerous than nuke. So we do need to regulate this AI in my opinion


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: YUriy1991 on November 20, 2023, 02:02:38 AM
AI is dangerous as alone musk say before. On a interview alone musk say one day I will capture all the market and people suffer from unemployment problem. And see this is happening in many sector AI already capture company doing there work by AI. Many people lost their work because company replace they are work by AI. Soon all work those people do manually AI will do it for company. If I huge problem if AI capture all market then there is a huge problem of unemployment.

That's true and that's an issue that needs attention. I'm also sad to see this development even though we know that the basis for the birth of AI and why it was developed was to make things easier and increase efficiency and productivity.

But, from another point of view, regarding future applications, if human work is replaced by AI, it is not a big problem if it is managed wisely. It all depends on us how to manage it if this ambition is also a time bomb.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: dansus021 on November 20, 2023, 02:28:54 AM
That could be way harder than it sounds. First of all, it won't be easy to clearly define what "AI" actually is and then we'd need to figure out where exactly the line should be drawn, i.e. what use of AI to allow and what to ban.
On top of all that, you have global superpowers competing for global dominance. If one country decides that using AI can help them get advantage over others, they will not hesitate to use it.

Well you are kinda true especially if AI gives an advantage in some countries but other countries are banning it.

Lets just hope that these applications  wouldnt really be that making things getting more worst. Well, it is really just that too much of thinking about those probabilities but just like as i said
that this kind of advancement would really be that inevitable. There would really be those huge changes when it comes to this matter but in speaking about AI will put and end to work
for all people or human beings then this is something that a false thing, there are still jobs or positions which human beings are really that superior.

But The AI is can be helpfull and can be dangerous at the same time. Is like two sides of blade

Imagine if AI has the super capability of learning with the brain of a quantum computer. 100% human will be dead hahha just like the Mission Impossible the last movie


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Argoo on February 17, 2024, 04:47:00 PM
Elon Musk expresses a lot of his forecasts and opinions about various events taking place in the world. But not all of them are correct and not all come true. Robots with artificial intelligence will be able to provide very good assistance to humans, especially where it is necessary to very quickly analyze and compare a lot of different information. But robots will never be able to replace humans. In addition, if some ordinary work is performed by a person, then replacing it with a robot will certainly cost much more than the cost of this mechanical work by the robot itself. Therefore, there is still enough work for people. In addition, in my opinion, not all types of activities will allow robots with artificial intelligence. I don’t think that they will be allowed in areas of decision-making on which the very existence of a person will depend.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Briankimp1 on February 17, 2024, 09:03:44 PM
Elon is a futuristic and you must acknowledge his accomplished a lot of them from space exploration to Ai development, So I’m definitely not surprised by his comments on said interview he like any other futuristics would have to make comments like this mostly to create a buzz around them which is why he appears on such interviews and makes such comments.
I on the other would like to bring to our notice the great disadvantage in his comments, If it eventually happens that Ai does put an end to work, How do we make a living will life needs become free will poverty be totally eradicated from human existence you see most people like Elon do not think about the effect their comments and life choices have on the public.

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1N348243/
There was an incident in a Japanese Ai lab that is currently being swept under by whoever click the link above to read more, We’ve seen too many movies about human creation being the end of humans I hope we can thread carefully cause there’s a thin like between playing god and being god the end result justifies it all.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: arabspaceship123 on February 17, 2024, 09:25:10 PM
He can't predict the future. It doesn't mean it's going to happen because Elon's saying it. We know he's famous because he's the richest person in the world but believing everything he's saying isn't rational. How AI's going to affect ppl isn't known.

Elon Musk expresses a lot of his forecasts and opinions about various events taking place in the world. But not all of them are correct and not all come true. Robots with artificial intelligence will be able to provide very good assistance to humans, especially where it is necessary to very quickly analyze and compare a lot of different information. But robots will never be able to replace humans. In addition, if some ordinary work is performed by a person, then replacing it with a robot will certainly cost much more than the cost of this mechanical work by the robot itself. Therefore, there is still enough work for people. In addition, in my opinion, not all types of activities will allow robots with artificial intelligence. I don’t think that they will be allowed in areas of decision-making on which the very existence of a person will depend.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: STT on February 17, 2024, 11:51:15 PM
It wont end work, it will alter the dynamics of demand and supply just like industry before now.   Theres never an end to what humans can do instead of menial tasks done previously, anything where its the same question answer or task repeated the AI should be doing that task because it is a waste of a human.  It was a waste decades ago and its a waste now, the negative is not AI finding a way to do the empty task but enabling the human to do the more useful work instead its absolutely a positive.
  Musk instead of phrasing it this way should be saying we will enable twice the work to be done, the AI only needs guidance once to start then perform the task and is able to correct itself slightly but also the human can now do far more then the AI ever could and the amount of work performed overall  in the economy by the greater revenue of both is far more productive.   There is no negative, society will gain from AI where it is a success in allowing more work to be done overall the smaller detail is its not immediately a positive with zero lead time it'll take some development imo.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Assface16678 on February 18, 2024, 12:14:40 AM
Elon Musk expresses a lot of his forecasts and opinions about various events taking place in the world. But not all of them are correct and not all come true. Robots with artificial intelligence will be able to provide very good assistance to humans, especially where it is necessary to very quickly analyze and compare a lot of different information. But robots will never be able to replace humans. In addition, if some ordinary work is performed by a person, then replacing it with a robot will certainly cost much more than the cost of this mechanical work by the robot itself. Therefore, there is still enough work for people. In addition, in my opinion, not all types of activities will allow robots with artificial intelligence. I don’t think that they will be allowed in areas of decision-making on which the very existence of a person will depend.
This thing will happen in a very, very long time. AI really has the capability to replace humans. You will notice how people's inventions are becoming more and more advanced. It says to make people lives easier, but in reality, yes, it will make people lives easier, but it can also make people lives miserable because they will have no more work, or the work force that will require humans will vanish. I like the futuristic idea, but let's remember that every good invention or advancement will also have a bad effect on people. But before that happens, we should secure our future. I personally inline myself into the technology profession so that no matter what happens, I can still survive in the industry and will not be laid off. It's all about surviving and striving. No one would help you but yourself, so take precautions and start grinding. Don't let yourself get behind.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: sekalitas on February 18, 2024, 04:18:38 AM
During an uncommon interview (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67302048) conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?

I respectfully disagree with the statement that AI will entirely replace human workers. While it's true that AI might automate some repetitive physical tasks, I believe it will mostly complement human workers in complex jobs. AI could act as an assistant, but it won't fully replace these positions. Instead, job responsibilities might shift as AI takes on some tasks, demanding higher-level skills and adaptation from workers. As AI becomes more prominent, it's crucial for us to continuously learn new skills and embrace change to thrive in this evolving era.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: franky1 on February 18, 2024, 06:20:45 AM
though google replaced the need for people to buy the encyclopaedia..
google+youtube did not replace the education system(though many people do learn more efficiently from google+youtube compared to teachers sometimes)

fast forward to AI. and some things will save people money, some things will save people time. but thats evolution. thats civilisation

AI can also help create new jobs no one has had or thought about before
for instance, imagine if AI formulated a new method of doing something complex that no one was able to do before but now able to do thanks to AI. that can start a whole new industry of employment

EG imagine AI found a way to cheaply detect cancers via.. for instance resonance images of minute frequency knowledge of particle patterns. making a cheap reliable way to scan for cancers at a higher success rate. allowing people to get safely scanned quickly. would lead to more medical staff trained to see more patients efficiently so more people get regular scans as part of their annual healthchecks. rather then only scanned when they reach certain ages or start displaying symptoms.

having AI solve tasks that can make tests/checks be done so cheap and quick that people can get it done more regularly and more precisely would start increasing the demand for more regularity of checks which then increase the medical staff numbers to aid in the checks


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Ozero on February 27, 2024, 09:25:30 AM


I respectfully disagree with the statement that AI will entirely replace human workers. While it's true that AI might automate some repetitive physical tasks, I believe it will mostly complement human workers in complex jobs. AI could act as an assistant, but it won't fully replace these positions. Instead, job responsibilities might shift as AI takes on some tasks, demanding higher-level skills and adaptation from workers. As AI becomes more prominent, it's crucial for us to continuously learn new skills and embrace change to thrive in this evolving era.
I absolutely agree with your opinion. AI cannot completely replace human labor. In some cases it won't even be cost-effective. The costs of producing and maintaining AI robots in some cases will be much higher than regular human labor.

In addition, such a robot with AI will not be able to be used everywhere, since it will not have human emotions, which are necessary for certain types of work.

It should also be taken into account that humanity will need to limit the use of robots with AI in places where, if sometimes there are failures in programs, AI can cause irreparable and significant harm to both humans and our planet as a whole. AI cannot be fully trusted in solving those problems where abuse or even simple error on the part of AI can be turned against a person.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: icalical on February 27, 2024, 10:30:46 AM

I respectfully disagree with the statement that AI will entirely replace human workers. While it's true that AI might automate some repetitive physical tasks, I believe it will mostly complement human workers in complex jobs. AI could act as an assistant, but it won't fully replace these positions. Instead, job responsibilities might shift as AI takes on some tasks, demanding higher-level skills and adaptation from workers. As AI becomes more prominent, it's crucial for us to continuously learn new skills and embrace change to thrive in this evolving era.

True, after all human will always be needed to tell AI what to do (or give the rough idea about what needs to be done) at the very least, not to mention that currently AI can only do all the things it could do because they learn from human. But it's also true if this emerging and growth of AI is not followed by good regulation by the government, AI will definitely make a lot of people unemployed. I am not saying limiting AI's ability in doing job, just enforcing copyright infringement to AI developer so people's work that is used to train their AI will be credited the creator will get some benefit from it.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Argoo on March 15, 2024, 12:19:13 PM
Elon Musk expresses a lot of his forecasts and opinions about various events taking place in the world. But not all of them are correct and not all come true. Robots with artificial intelligence will be able to provide very good assistance to humans, especially where it is necessary to very quickly analyze and compare a lot of different information. But robots will never be able to replace humans. In addition, if some ordinary work is performed by a person, then replacing it with a robot will certainly cost much more than the cost of this mechanical work by the robot itself. Therefore, there is still enough work for people. In addition, in my opinion, not all types of activities will allow robots with artificial intelligence. I don’t think that they will be allowed in areas of decision-making on which the very existence of a person will depend.
This thing will happen in a very, very long time. AI really has the capability to replace humans. You will notice how people's inventions are becoming more and more advanced. It says to make people lives easier, but in reality, yes, it will make people lives easier, but it can also make people lives miserable because they will have no more work, or the work force that will require humans will vanish. I like the futuristic idea, but let's remember that every good invention or advancement will also have a bad effect on people. But before that happens, we should secure our future. I personally inline myself into the technology profession so that no matter what happens, I can still survive in the industry and will not be laid off. It's all about surviving and striving. No one would help you but yourself, so take precautions and start grinding. Don't let yourself get behind.
This seemingly big problem can also be looked at from a more global perspective. In general, if AI robots can replace people and do almost all the work for them, this will be very good. A person will get rid of the need to spend eight hours, or even more, doing the same work and earning a living from it. In this case, the state will be forced to either redirect the physical or creative efforts of people to some other type of activity, or provide material goods absolutely free of charge, due to the fact that robots with AI will create these material goods in the required quantity so that any person could use them at his own discretion and desire without any restrictions. This is something like communism, which the communists previously strived for. The right to enjoy material goods in sufficient quantity will simply be due to the fact that a certain individual will be identified as a person. In this case, there will simply be no need for work as such.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: 0t3p0t on March 15, 2024, 01:28:47 PM
AI can only replace most jobs that requires internet connection but not those jobs that still require human intervention. For me it will still take time to fully adopt his speculation that is for me very futuristic but that is still valid for me because technological advancement is inevitable so better to prepare than just doing nothing. We can acquire special skills right now just like welding, plumbing, carpentry and many others because I know these jobs are not affected when AI really is taking over.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: arabspaceship123 on March 15, 2024, 01:57:40 PM
Why's the debate active when it's known human will lose some job to AI just like we're aware AI can't do some jobs only human can do them.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: moneystery on March 15, 2024, 02:23:31 PM
AI can only replace most jobs that requires internet connection but not those jobs that still require human intervention. For me it will still take time to fully adopt his speculation that is for me very futuristic but that is still valid for me because technological advancement is inevitable so better to prepare than just doing nothing. We can acquire special skills right now just like welding, plumbing, carpentry and many others because I know these jobs are not affected when AI really is taking over.

have you seen the latest laptops that have integrated ai features? this feature allows users to ask many questions and get answers in real time even without using an internet connection. so ai is not limited to an internet connection, it only requires a processor that supports ai capabilities, the intel and nvidia brands provide that, and that allows ai technology to be able to do many things that are given to it.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Y3shot on March 15, 2024, 02:50:34 PM
This has advantage and disadvantage,.the disadvantage of this is that it fill the space of job that is supposed to be occupied by human. When it comes the military I think the al will be very good because it will help in occupying the space of human in war where human can't handle well. I think the Al should be more in the military,  it has a very good advantage over there.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: boty on March 16, 2024, 11:15:41 PM
This has advantage and disadvantage,.the disadvantage of this is that it fill the space of job that is supposed to be occupied by human. When it comes the military I think the al will be very good because it will help in occupying the space of human in war where human can't handle well. I think the Al should be more in the military,  it has a very good advantage over there.
The work space that will be replaced by AI will of course increase the unemployment rate in every place and this will be very unfortunate if they no longer have the motivation to work of course this will make them experience difficulties in meeting their needs and if indeed in the military field they can use technology AI of course this will be very interesting for us to see and this will really help reduce the task of humans to provide security in this field as you said when war occurs of course this will reduce the risk of death by humans in war.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: Asuspawer09 on March 16, 2024, 11:59:17 PM
At first I really think that it was impossible as an IT i have a little knowledge about code etc. and I mean this AI thing was just compose of a code right program something like that, if your going to think about it we are the onr that needed to create that code in order for the AI to work so its impossible for AI to replace us.

But as we progress we already seeing how the AI is getting develop overtime and it was really mind blowing, ive seen some AI generated videos that was really perfect, and I think that was going to be a thing probably could be a problem if you are a videographer because that might probably replace you or worst, that just going to change the game when in comes to film making.

So I think it is going to happened in the future AI is going to replace us all, it was really possible as our technology grow, If this AI able to adopt easily or learn it is just going to be a everything, it can be like human as well. But I think this is going to be more than 100 or 200 years, I mean developing this is not going to be easy it is going to take a very long time for sure so i think no need to worry for now.


Title: Re: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk
Post by: bots1 on May 16, 2024, 02:18:18 PM
Why's the debate active when it's known human will lose some job to AI just like we're aware AI can't do some jobs only human can do them.
I agree with you that not all work can be done through AI. Maybe work in the field of technology can be completed by AI, but other jobs such as work carried out by the lower middle class cannot be completed by AI. Therefore, the presence of AI does not stop human work but rather reduces the work that can be done by humans.