Time to roll-back Ordinals?

[bangjoe]

I just want to say that I am very annoyed at the presence of ordinal on the Bitcoin network, making a lot of blockages, making the transaction price very expensive, so I have to wait longer to transfer my bitcoin so that the transaction fee subsides.

Sorry if my expression is only a frustration over the presence of ordinal in the Bitcoin network, I hope the ordinal is returned to his hometown and do not disturb the comfort of Bitcoin in his own network.
A few days ago ORDI listed on the Binance Exchange and immediately experienced a price increase, and my Bitcoin transaction fee became more than $ 5, it was very annoying.

[digaran]

I just want to say that I am very annoyed at the presence of ordinal on the Bitcoin network, making a lot of blockages, making the transaction price very expensive, so I have to wait longer to transfer my bitcoin so that the transaction fee subsides.

Sorry if my expression is only a frustration over the presence of ordinal in the Bitcoin network, I hope the ordinal is returned to his hometown and do not disturb the comfort of Bitcoin in his own network.
A few days ago ORDI listed on the Binance Exchange and immediately experienced a price increase, and my Bitcoin transaction fee became more than $ 5, it was very annoying.

You mean it was listed on the biggest active volcano on the crypto planet? Maybe this is an indirect indication that we should adopt lava aka bnb, I hear they charge very low fees and speed of confirmation is superb.🤑

When that volcano erupts, it will be the biggest eruption of this century, people don't know it yet they are living under an active volcano.
@DooMAD and other LN shills, ( lol ), do you guys remember what Bitcoin did with faucets back in the days? Hell I myself learned so many things by using them, so why don't you guys spend a few grands on LN faucets to incentivize the community members to interact, learn and then spread the words about LN?  The best advertising is education, then campaign managers, service providers, bounties they will all start to adopt LN payments. ( I mean soldiers are good for such situations, they can spread awareness)

Core team should either think about block size increase, or provide a good, easy to use and secure alternative side chain/second layer in OPERATIONAL mode, not DEMO.😉

[BlackHatCoiner]

I will happily discuss any proposals speaking in terms of incentive and disincentive.  The moment anyone talks about banning/blocking/stopping/preventing certain types of transactions, that's where I draw my line, so expect a confrontation if you cross it.

We need to draw a line on what's considered prevention. Is it the hardcore softfork way (invalidating these non-standard taproot transactions), or is it simply an update to everyone's mempool policy? In my opinion, and due to a recent discussion I've had with pooya, I think it'd be a good experiment to start treating these transactions as non-standard and see how it goes.

But, to not distance myself from my honest opinion on this, nobody should be censored for adding non-monetary data on-chain, because:

• They can then take advantage of the network's nature, and make these non-monetary transactions indistinguishable from monetary. (BTW, that's worse for us because of this)
• Arbitrarily messing with softforks can override future softforks.
• Censorship sucks?

[chigo]

The network congestion caused by this ordinal has entered the annoying stage. this community should be aware that what they are doing to the Bitcoin network is useless, they are making the network even more congested with their shit coins

Unfortunately many users say that what they do with the network doesn't matter because the Bitcoin network is decentralized and everyone has the right to use this network as they wish

but this reason cannot be justified because we have rules where all users must maintain this network so that it remains scalable and can be used by all. When a community exploits a network and disrupts others, it is only natural that they are kicked off the network along with their shitcoins because it has disrupted others who use the network

[BlackHatCoiner]

this community should be aware that what they are doing to the Bitcoin network is useless

The network isn't even slightly useless. It's just a little more expensive to make regular transactions. People who transact regularly should consider using second layers.

they are making the network even more congested with their shit coins

There are no shit coins. What's injected into the chain is plain data.

but this reason cannot be justified because we have rules where all users must maintain this network so that it remains scalable and can be used by all.

We have no such rules. Everyone's free to broadcast any transaction they like as long as it's valid. Censoring transactions to maintain scalability is a crystal clear sign you don't understand of Bitcoin.

When a community exploits a network and disrupts others, it is only natural that they are kicked off the network along with their shitcoins because it has disrupted others who use the network

Under this premise, everyone should be kicked off the network, because everyone partly disrupt others by using the network.

[franky1]

but this reason cannot be justified because we have rules where all users must maintain this network so that it remains scalable and can be used by all.

We have no such rules. Everyone's free to broadcast any transaction they like as long as it's valid. Censoring transactions to maintain scalability is a crystal clear sign you don't understand of Bitcoin.

bitcoin does have rules.. its what code does.. recently some rules has been softened to allow junk[you call plain text], which does not mean they are truly valid. because they use an opcode that has no conditions and just bypasses check without verifying content..
YOU are abusing the term"valid"

When a community exploits a network and disrupts others, it is only natural that they are kicked off the network along with their shitcoins because it has disrupted others who use the network

Under this premise, everyone should be kicked off the network, because everyone partly disrupt others by using the network.

so you want everyone kicked off the network but want the junk to continue.. yea your game is obvious..
how about realise junk that has no conditioned of content is the disruption that should be targetted or atleast be penalised.. rather then regular bitcoiners

you are definitely singing your forum-familys hymn sheet. too obvious

(certain people are certain units of a family of trolls.. when talking about the direct relationship between specific troll family members i note their relationship and gender them by how they speak at a given moment.. when talking about them all collectively i talk about them as a family)
(they know who they are and which of them is the forum-daddy and forum-wife and forum-kiddies of their lil troll cult)

[cryptosize]

you are definitely singing your forum-familys hymn sheet. too obvious

First it was a forum wife and now a forum family? WTF dude???

[DooMAD]

Core team should either think about block size increase

I can see why you think that would reduce transaction fees, but keep in mind, it would make all transactions cheaper.  That includes those who are uploading media.  Lowering the cost to append silly pictures to the chain would likely encourage more of the same.

Be careful what you wish for.

[franky1]

Core team should either think about block size increase

I can see why you think that would reduce transaction fees, but keep in mind, it would make all transactions cheaper.  That includes those who are uploading media.  Lowering the cost to append silly pictures to the chain would likely encourage more of the same.

Be careful what you wish for.

core can put in fee multiplier rules where transactions using certain opcodes pay X multiples.. as they did for legacy

that way, lean bitcoin transacters get rewarded and junk/bloat validation bypassers get penalised

[franky1]

Side chain/second layer isn't part of what Bitcoin Core does though.

bitcoin core (software) is not a sidechain/subnetwork.. fully agree..
but
the core TEAM are sponsored to code txformats in bitcoin protocol to allow access to sidechains/subnetworks
the core TEAM are sponsored to code RPC commands to allow access sidechains/subnetworks software
the core TEAM are sponsored to work on side projects of sidechains/subnetworks software

the core TEAM are motivated to concentrate their time of features and functions that benefit their sponsors other projects

[DooMAD]

core can put in fee multiplier rules where transactions using certain opcodes pay X multiples.. as they did for legacy

that way, lean bitcoin transacters get rewarded and junk/bloat validation bypassers get penalised

If you can be intellectually honest enough to acknowledge and admit that this would be a temporary stop-gap at best, then I'll leave you in peace to drum up support for the idea.  Personally, I think it's futile.  But others may feel that a temporary reprieve is better than nothing.

Alternatively, if you still don't fully understand the 'cat-and-mouse/whack-a-mole' problem I've been alluding to in the last half-a-dozen topics about Ordinals, then I can explain it again.  Essentially, if you create a cheap way to transact and an expensive way to transact (or look to close off methods of transacting altogether), game theory strongly implies people are going to look for ways to exploit the cheaper/open route.  There are numerous methods to append non-transactional data to the chain. 

[franky1]

1. txformats? Do you mean SegWit which mostly fix Transaction Malleability for easier LN development?
2. Which RPC commands do you mean?
3. It's true some Bitcoin Core developer also involved on other project or even paid by company to works on Bitcoin Core development. But it's not weird thing on open source world. Here's an example for Linux kernel, https://news.itsfoss.com/huawei-kernel-contribution/.
4. Personally i disagree that majority Bitcoin Core developer prioritize feature or upgrade which benefit who paid them.

1. more then that.. look at the purpose of "descriptors" and how it creates more things than just legacy vs segwit
2. many RPC's aid communication to other subnetwork software by changing from old RPC's that were fine communicating bitcoin node to bitcoin node
3. when most bitcoin upgrades dont bother fixing headaches of bitcoin. but produce better functionality subnetworks use.. you see their priorities
one example. most bitcoin node users are individuals. yet recent addition RPC commands are about "partially signed" transaction utility
4. take a closer look at most changes over the last few years, the big changes not minor tweaks. and see who benefits most from new utility

[nutildah]

you are definitely singing your forum-familys hymn sheet. too obvious

First it was a forum wife and now a forum family? WTF dude???

Clearly he's referencing DooMAD, Wind_FURY and their lovechild, BlackHatCoiner. They act as a mafia to suppress research and critical thinking in favor of promoting the Blockstream agenda where we are all ruled by faulty, NWO-esque subnetworks and Layer 2's.

No but really everything that can possibly be said about this topic has already been said... I think this was accomplished by page 5. There's nothing left to do here except make fun of franknbeans.

[cryptosize]

you are definitely singing your forum-familys hymn sheet. too obvious

First it was a forum wife and now a forum family? WTF dude???

Clearly he's referencing DooMAD, Wind_FURY and their lovechild, BlackHatCoiner. They act as a mafia to suppress research and critical thinking in favor of promoting the Blockstream agenda where we are all ruled by faulty, NWO-esque subnetworks and Layer 2's.

No but really everything that can possibly be said about this topic has already been said... I think this was accomplished by page 5. There's nothing left to do here except make fun of franknbeans.

BSV fanatics (such as HmmMAA) promote this totally unfounded conspiracy theory... but they don't explain us why BTC Core developers (who are also BTC hodlers) would want to destroy their holdings (BSV cult members like Calvin Ayre -a notorious self-confessed pedophile- preach that BTC will go to zero).

They also believe CSW is Satoshi, because apparently he's such a great philosopher (bigger than Plato).

[Wind_FURY]

It's the same during the scaling debate, you spread misinformation. It will be the same in other debates and current "issues". The smart people only need to look at your trust-rating.

the trust rating is meaningless because those commenting are the ones your forum-family instigated to the moderators.. your family caused it so again your trolling you are trying to use as proof. when its jsut your own forum-family trolling to pretend your right

I definitely believe not with your negative trust-rating, ser. gmaxwell and achow101, both who are truly respected, honest, and trustworthy Bitcoin Core Developers wrote those NEGATIVE comments and it would be your word against their words. I DEFINITELY trust their words against yours after you and Jonald_Fyookball were misinforming the newbies of BitcoinTalk during 2016 - 2017. Some of us believed you and trusted you, and actually thought that following Roger Ver towards big blocks was the "answer" for the Scaling Debate. But upon DYOR, I learned the HARD WAY. You were lying, spreading misinformation/FUD, and gaslighting.

you are definitely singing your forum-familys hymn sheet. too obvious

First it was a forum wife and now a forum family? WTF dude???

Clearly he's referencing DooMAD, Wind_FURY and their lovechild, BlackHatCoiner. They act as a mafia to suppress research and critical thinking in favor of promoting the Blockstream agenda where we are all ruled by faulty, NWO-esque subnetworks and Layer 2's.

No but really everything that can possibly be said about this topic has already been said... I think this was accomplished by page 5. There's nothing left to do here except make fun of franknbeans.

That's unfair.

[franky1]

It's the same during the scaling debate, you spread misinformation. It will be the same in other debates and current "issues". The smart people only need to look at your trust-rating.

the trust rating is meaningless because those commenting are the ones your forum-family instigated to the moderators.. your family caused it so again your trolling you are trying to use as proof. when its jsut your own forum-family trolling to pretend your right

I definitely believe not with your negative trust-rating, ser. gmaxwell and achow101, both who are truly respected, honest, and trustworthy Bitcoin Core Developers wrote those NEGATIVE comments and it would be your word against their words. I DEFINITELY trust their words against yours after you and Jonald_Fyookball were misinforming the newbies of BitcoinTalk during 2016 - 2017. Some of us believed you and trusted you, and actually thought that following Roger Ver towards big blocks was the "answer" for the Scaling Debate. But upon DYOR, I learned the HARD WAY. You were lying, spreading misinformation/FUD, and gaslighting.

YOUR small family cried to moderators.. your family created the drama. because my opinions were different to the core roadmap sponsored plan

i never followed ver.. your troll family tried to pigeon hole me into the ver group because i had opinions different to the core roadmap.
your troll family circle jerked the mods into chaos but because your family ass-kissed the mods and treated them as gods, they appeased you trolls
because the mods are... CORE DEVS that had their own roadmap plans they didnt want resisted. reviewed,scrutinised, criticised
it was a massive circle jerk of protecting their patents, their production, their paupers and their parishioners


as for your DYOR
you dont do research. you just blanket copy and paste buzzwords of your troll family. idolising core devs as gods**

yes its blindingly obvious your small forum-family love and adore and idolise achowe and gmax.. no one denies the hormones you produce when you talk about them or ask them to quash other people that dare speak non positive of core devs actions or inactions✝*

you are definitely singing your forum-familys hymn sheet. too obvious

First it was a forum wife and now a forum family? WTF dude???

Clearly he's referencing DooMAD, Wind_FURY and their lovechild, BlackHatCoiner. They act as a mafia to suppress research and critical thinking in favor of promoting the Blockstream agenda where we are all ruled by faulty, NWO-esque subnetworks and Layer 2's.

That's unfair.

it is fair.. but if you dont like being associated in "the family" stop just being a blind sheep copying their antics and pretending that repeating their mantra is "research"

** start actually doing data research, not deadbeat recites.
                        examining information, not echoing idiots.
                        checking source data, not soliciting delusions.

✝*core devs are not gods.. they are human.. and when they retire, get bored of bitcoin.. where does that leave you
learn to understand bitcoin. care about bitcoin. not dev gods

actually learn from block data and code. not biased adoration tweets and social network blog and social club familiarity
learn to want to protect bitcoin from exploits. dont just troll-speak things to protect cores sponsorship deals


you "trusting" instead of verifying is your own downfall
i understand you trust and have faith in some peoples speeches and anyone going against your trusted speech makers you treat as "gaslighting" .. but for once actually do some real research and stop acting like an echo of the troll family.

learn for yourself for once. stop sounding like a repetition of someone else voice. dont pigeon hole yourself or think others are in pigeon holes

dont bother replying with more rehearsed speeches you read, dont repeat insult/buzzwords you heard to avoid putting in any effort. just take some time to learn bitcoin away from your forum-families words.

i would have not problem with you if you had a technical discussion about an exploit created by core devs.. where it was about the technical exploit and not a ass kiss opportunity to show you have faith in dev gods of core/forum-family of trolls

i would have not problem with you if you had for once a response that did not include any wording that sounded like a script wrote by your forum-family of trolls

try to have an independent discussion for once, using your own mind and thoughts and words not resembling the many known trolls wording

[DooMAD]

core roadmap

core roadmap.

their own roadmap plans

For all your bawling about "technical discussions", I can't help but notice you've never published an alternative roadmap.  Instead of crying about what others have got, why don't you put together a plan of action?  All I see from you is the equivalent of an entitled and cranky child's Christmas wishlist.  You've never actually put together a genuine technical proposal.

If you really think your ideas are worth considering, then put the effort in to present them in a fashion that would cause people to take you seriously for once.  All this whiny tinfoil-hat-crackpottery clearly isn't getting you anywhere.

Part of me suspects you don't want to put the effort in, though.  Maybe you prefer playing the role of the petulant loser who spends the rest of his life crying about all the things he can't have.  It's just who you are.

[franky1]

doomad... try to read and learn not cry and moan

you say i didnt offer any suggestions.. well good that this forums stores posts.. people can read them.  shows your ignorance to not even know whats even been said in this topic in recent days, let alone this forum over the years

heres two examples from the first page of this topic..

anyways
we need to go back to the development mindset that transactions should be lean, where every byte counts. and where each byte has a purpose and is validated to have meaningful use inside a transaction. non of this crap "isvalid" check bypass that allows any junk in without reason
new opcodes should only activate when the network is ready to scrutinise the content put after a opcode. as thats how secure networks operate.

if an old node doesnt understand the data, then it become stalled at the last block it did understand. requiring upgrade to be a full node. again where new version nodes only activate/accept it when there is a network majority tolerance of validating new things.

rolling back is not an option.. but enforcing validation rules is. close the loopholes that allow data unchecked to be relayed. if your node doesnt understand data then its either the data is bad or your node is out of date. one of the other.

by having rules, whereby changes require consensus majority is network security. the solution to the byzantine generals problem was a feature not a hindrance

we need to be getting back to a point/mindset about caring about leanness, byte utility and ensuring junk just doesnt happen. the open gate policy of letting anything in unchecked needs to be changed. where new stuff only begins when the network is ready.. and where the network is ready when the network participants have reviewed and scrutinised the code to ensure the new feature wont have consequences

there are many many ways to implement changes. we just have to get the core authority to temper down their centralist mindset and actually care about the decentralised network more than their sponsors needs

need me to quote myself from this topic more??
or can you exercise your finger to click the pages and read for yourself,
stop asking to be spoonfed when you are in ignorant idiot mode..
instead try to read, try to learn . stop pretending you suffer from dementia or get sudden amnesia

by the way
YOU specifically and your troll family have been ass-kissing the devs/mods to get me banned from technical discussion..
yet you now cry that i dont present technical proposals in the technical discussion due to acts YOU CAUSED

i dont know if you want an extra kiss on the ass for your act by thinking me calling you out is a win for you.. but stop being a troll inciting social drama while ignoring the actual topic content.. which i can prove i provided content related to the topic that shows solutions not ignorance
your posts are simply "ignore it, let the problem continue"
EDIT1: answering below

Enjoy your pathetic life achieving nothing.  

i've ran businesses, got rich through bitcoin. retired young, travel alot. have a family

are you enjoying penny pinching for sig-campaigns where you try to find friends on the internet? is your life sorted yet?
EDIT 2:

I'll be sure to alert Crimestoppers that you've got some poor souls caged in a cellar somewhere like Josef Fritzl.

doomad believes families put children live in cellars, must be his life experience to think people commonly do it

quoting for posterity. when he says something stupid, it reveals more about him than the insult he tries hurling at others.. it reveals his experiences and thoughts and memories of his childhood

[DooMAD]

you say i didnt offer any suggestions.. well good that this forums stores posts.. people can read them.  shows your ignorance to not even know whats even been said in this topic in recent days, let alone this forum over the years

If you honestly believe the entire community is going to go trawling back through your incoherent waffling post history to try and piece together your "genius vision" for what Bitcoin supposedly ought to be, then you're even more of an ego-maniac than I realised.

For all your bitching and griping about Core, the simple fact is that they can communicate their ideas in an organised manner, using reason, working collaboratively and demonstrating good rationale.  You can't do ANY of those things.  The only skills you've ever displayed are lying, crying, holding petty grudges and drawing technobabble ascii art.  And you wonder why no one listens to you.

Enjoy your pathetic life achieving nothing.  

have a family

I'll be sure to alert Crimestoppers that you've got some poor souls caged in a cellar somewhere like Josef Fritzl.

[nutildah]

I definitely believe not with your negative trust-rating, ser. gmaxwell and achow101, both who are truly respected, honest, and trustworthy Bitcoin Core Developers wrote those NEGATIVE comments and it would be your word against their words. I DEFINITELY trust their words against yours after you and Jonald_Fyookball were misinforming the newbies of BitcoinTalk during 2016 - 2017. Some of us believed you and trusted you, and actually thought that following Roger Ver towards big blocks was the "answer" for the Scaling Debate. But upon DYOR, I learned the HARD WAY. You were lying, spreading misinformation/FUD, and gaslighting.

franknbeans certainly possesses several characteristics that render him and a run-of-the-mill troll indistinguishable, but the negatives left on him by gmaxwell and achow101 are not a correct use of the trust system. The trust system is for trustworthiness regarding trade or any type of exchange of money, not for punishing critics or trolls. Mr. Beans has made it clear he will never trade on the forum, therefore these ratings should be neutrals at worst. Furthermore, he rarely posts in sections of the forum where the trust rating is visible, anyway.

Even the forum's most prolific troll, BADecker, doesn't have a negative. What he does have is a neutral, which is the correct approach.

That's unfair.

I get a little too in character sometimes and forget to make it clear when I am being sarcastic.