People commenting on the first page without having read the previous posts.

[PX-Z]

I'd say it's a loophole.

His post is on topic because he gives his opinion to the @OP's post and it's constructive as long as his post has a weight, right?

I sort of agree with you but not no the constructive part one as he is commenting on something already proven false.

Reporting it to mods might be a help? Since it is proven false, and probably considered a spam or spreading misinformation Or just message the manager to take a look on what's the participant's post behaviour just like what you think you're going to do.

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[philipma1957]

This is the second time in a short time that I've seen someone comment on a thread on the first page without having read the previous comments. Does this happen a lot?

I think it's normal that if you comment on page 7 of a thread you're interested in, you should read at least the first page and the page you're going to comment on, or pages 1-2 and 6-7, because in general, when a thread gets longer nobody reads all the pages, especially if you're commenting for the first time.

This also happens in other forums, and it is something we have commented on in our local board. Here the payment for signature campaigns may have an influence, but I visit other forums and if I comment on a thread for the first time on page 23, there's no way I've read the previous 23 pages.

But not reading the first page, especially if the thread is only one page long is a cardinal sin.

I'm about to send a PM to the manager so he doesn't pay him for that post.

What do you think about this?

I read this post and have read no more of the thread.

I find the first post meaning your idea extremely over controlling. I do not need to read anyone else's post or comments even if they say what I just said.

Why is that? because you said "What do you think about this?"



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I now spent the time to read the entire thread. I still am sure my reply to your particular first post made with out reading any more of the thread is correct.

No one said what I did in the other posts. Plus the fact is you still Asked : "What do you think about this?"

Sometimes when asking a question or making a post no-one has to read anything else if the  first post was written a certain way.


So you managed to ask a question that specifically allows anyone to only read the first post and not care about anyone else's comment.

My question for you would be: are you a brilliant writer and worded that first thread post looking to see if someone picks up on the innately clever phrase you put in?

  To all please note I am asking the op the question as I kind of want to know if he is a brilliant writer of very cleverly hidden sarcasm.

Also note I wrote a really long edit because I am deliberately  trying to show I edited the post after reading the other posts.

My answer to the op is the idea is terrible as your own first post demonstrated quite clearly that many first posts in a thread are all you need to read to be able to give a

good answer no matter if it is close to someone else's answer.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

This is the second time in a short time that I've seen someone comment on a thread on the first page without having read the previous comments. Does this happen a lot?

I think it's normal that if you comment on page 7 of a thread you're interested in, you should read at least the first page and the page you're going to comment on, or pages 1-2 and 6-7, because in general, when a thread gets longer nobody reads all the pages, especially if you're commenting for the first time.

This also happens in other forums, and it is something we have commented on in our local board. Here the payment for signature campaigns may have an influence, but I visit other forums and if I comment on a thread for the first time on page 23, there's no way I've read the previous 23 pages.

But not reading the first page, especially if the thread is only one page long is a cardinal sin.

I'm about to send a PM to the manager so he doesn't pay him for that post.

What do you think about this?

I read this post and have read no more of the thread.

Man philipma1957, of course you don't need more to answer. I expected no less from you, that you understood. The problem here is not the threads where you are asked about your experience of something, such as this thread or others like What was your first experience with gambling? How and when did you get to know bitcoin?

The problem is that I was referring to another thread that is not of this style.  You can see my answer to this thread to see if you understand it better:

Do you know about the first public servant paid in bitcoin ?

The thread is not about one's subjective opinion or experience, it is about objective fact.

And to top it all off in this thread, my one, there is a guy who has protested without having understood anything about the my OP, as I said before.

[Rikafip]

Yeah, it happens a lot especially in Altcoins board.

It happens a lot everywhere because people here are generally not really interested in discussion and instead just leaving their opinion on the matter and moving on another topic. Rinse and repeat until weekly quota has been met.

How did you determine this? Do you have psychic abilities or did that poster admit it himself?

OP doesn't need psychic abilities to figure that out, at least not for the most obvious cases. For example, every time you see someone asking something that has been already answered in previous posts, you can be pretty sure that he only read OP and pretty much nothing else.

[Husires]

One of the reasons that not everyone mentioned is that some people have a long ignore list, and this list may contain accounts that make high-quality posts.
you may find that even  those accounts that are difficult to post spam will repeat above replies simply because they are on their ignore list.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

This is nothing new, and I think it happens more often. Something like this has been discussed in the past when a member made the same comment, which was 95% similar to what the first person said. Sometimes it's just a pretty bad mistake for members who get so lazy to read what others have said, but if it becomes a habit for the member, then it's very questionable. If I see some kind of mistake like that, I can PM the member and try cautioning them, but if it's a repeated mistake, then it can be reported. In my opinion, I would have suggested doing a little dig on that profile to see if it's something they have been doing; if not, then you can just send a PM to the member to warn them. I believe in the saying that "no one is above mistakes." I know that sometimes I get too lazy to read, but in order not to make this kind of mistake, I usually like to quote other comments.

[philipma1957]

This is the second time in a short time that I've seen someone comment on a thread on the first page without having read the previous comments. Does this happen a lot?

I think it's normal that if you comment on page 7 of a thread you're interested in, you should read at least the first page and the page you're going to comment on, or pages 1-2 and 6-7, because in general, when a thread gets longer nobody reads all the pages, especially if you're commenting for the first time.

This also happens in other forums, and it is something we have commented on in our local board. Here the payment for signature campaigns may have an influence, but I visit other forums and if I comment on a thread for the first time on page 23, there's no way I've read the previous 23 pages.

But not reading the first page, especially if the thread is only one page long is a cardinal sin.

I'm about to send a PM to the manager so he doesn't pay him for that post.

What do you think about this?

I read this post and have read no more of the thread.

Man philipma1957, of course you don't need more to answer. I expected no less from you, that you understood. The problem here is not the threads where you are asked about your experience of something, such as this thread or others like What was your first experience with gambling? How and when did you get to know bitcoin?

The problem is that I was referring to another thread that is not of this style.  You can see my answer to this thread to see if you understand it better:

Do you know about the first public servant paid in bitcoin ?

The thread is not about one's subjective opinion or experience, it is about objective fact.

And to top it all off in this thread, my one, there is a guy who has protested without having understood anything about the my OP, as I said before.

This is the issue of the internet and blogging. Me I have time and I can spend 2-3-4 hours a day on this site. Many people don't have time and many don't have pc or internet access. Of course some are just trying to earn coin fast and easy.

Back in 1997 to 2005 time frames I only had internet access at my public library.  Plus I got bumped off the machine after 30 minutes.  Then from 2005 to 2008 I had dial up . So my 'modern' fast internet access started in 2009. I also got a relatively decent Mac mini the 2009 models had i5 2500 style mobile cpu and I put in a 32gb ssd. My Mac mini was the third fastest rating in the two or three sites that had 3 or 4 thousand speed rating on Mac minis.

So when you see a guy that looks rushed and did 1 post just to squeeze some coin from a signature do you know if he or she has a shitty pc/laptop on a limited internet link or is it an a-hole doing 2 or 3 or 4 accounts to score coin.

  I used to really dislike signature campaign but when you consider that 2-3 billion poor people in 'third' world countries get a chance to make some coin and maybe drag their family up a notch from stone cold poverty I have learned to appreciate the signature campaigns.
  Management could do a lot about multiple accounts grabbing 2 or 3 signatures. But trying to say someone needs to read every post before they post is a hard ask.
  
If a thread is 3 pages or less I may read the whole thread and post. When threads get over 10 pages I may read the op's first post and answer like I did here. Depends on how the post was worded. Sometimes I do fuck up and under read or miss that I am repeating an idea.

I guess management could look for multi accounts from 1 ip. that would cut down a ton of shit posting. but hell maybe they do that.


as I wrote the long post above this was posted and is a really good point.

One of the reasons that not everyone mentioned is that some people have a long ignore list, and this list may contain accounts that make high-quality posts.
you may find that even  those accounts that are difficult to post spam will repeat above replies simply because they are on their ignore list.

[decodx]

My answer to the op is the idea is terrible as your own first post demonstrated quite clearly that many first posts in a thread are all you need to read to be able to give a

good answer no matter if it is close to someone else's answer.

The idea's not necessarily bad.  It just means the answer depends on the subject matter.  If we use this topic for example, literally any member can say the same thing if they feel like it.  but imagine it's topic of a Technical Discussion. After the first question and some helpful responses, OP might post another question or the convo could shift gears and simply go in a new direction.  Now, its definitely annoying when a new person jumps in and comments without reading the chain of dialogue that got it to that point.

[SamReomo]

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What do you think about this?

I often read 1-3 pages of a thread before posting but sometimes when I feel that I can give my opinion and that would be helpful for others then I don't really go through all previous posts. It's someone's own preference to either go directly with a reply or read others posts before posting a reply.

I believe that in some posts it's highly needed to go through others posts but when you're sure that you can write a valuable reply post then I don't think it's necessary to read previous posts. Let's take this thread as example, I have gone through most of the posts before posting my reply but that thing isn't needed in most other posts.

I don't think that it's needed to send a PM to the campaign manager for such things because they already have a lot of work to do and sending them such PM's isn't needed. Some members in a campaign post more the the needed maximum posts of a campaign and in those cases managers often ignore low quality posts and pay an applicant for the posts which are good in quality.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Now go a head and put your nose in people's posts and act as if you are a moderator, or a DT police, I guess the shame is on you. eh?

You're not an alt of cryptohunter by any chance, are you?  If I recall correctly he used to insert his own personal grudges against DT members every chance he could. 

OP, the phenomenon you described might be ever-present on bitcointalk but, as noted, it also happens on other forums as well.  And I'd say this forum is fairly well policed by mods and members who report low-value posts, which is unlike many other forums I've come across.  Report that member if you want to (because I suspect he probably doesn't belong in a campaign, just like so many other members who come here to make a living), but try to keep things in perspective.  I can't say I'm innocent of not reading before I post; it's a bad habit that so far I've been unable to reverse.  Usually I end up reading and sometimes quoting posts into my own after I've hit the post button.

On top of that, the posts don't seem to be of much higher quality on the first page of a thread than they are on the nth page, so it isn't surprising that you're finding people who aren't doing any reading at all.

[philipma1957]

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What do you think about this?

I often read 1-3 pages of a thread before posting but sometimes when I feel that I can give my opinion and that would be helpful for others then I don't really go through all previous posts. It's someone's own preference to either go directly with a reply or read others posts before posting a reply.

I believe that in some posts it's highly needed to go through others posts but when you're sure that you can write a valuable reply post then I don't think it's necessary to read previous posts. Let's take this thread as example, I have gone through most of the posts before posting my reply but that thing isn't needed in most other posts.

I don't think that it's needed to send a PM to the campaign manager for such things because they already have a lot of work to do and sending them such PM's isn't needed. Some members in a campaign post more the the needed maximum posts of a campaign and in those cases managers often ignore low quality posts and pay an applicant for the posts which are good in quality.

I often read for hours before posting and I sometimes read one post and ignore the entire thread. It varies quite a bit. This thread interested me in a lot of ways.

  I post far more than necessary to earn the max at my campaign. But sometimes while reading all the posts in a three or four page thread the op locks the thread and my opportunity to post on the thread is gone.
 It is really fucking annoying to read for 20 minutes and type for 5 more and the thread gets locked . <

 I just posted  and wanted to make sure the post got posted. I am now adding more info to flesh out this point. I have to thank the op for posting this as I find it to be interesting idea that I don't like but am willing to explain the reasons why I quick post. then add more to the post.

[LTU_btc]

Such problem really exists and probably it's not that small. Some people are too lazy to read OP, not even talking about remaining posts, they try to comment just after reading title. Offcourse that you can PM his campaign manager and maybe teach that user a bit in this way, but globally, there is no solution for this problem. Just look at social media like Facebook for example. Probably daily you can see people commenting on article just after reading clickbait title. And it's obvious that they didn't read because it's content is completely different from title. So, nothing surprising that such things happens on Bitcointalk too, especially when people are get paid paid fortheir posts. Time is money.

One of the reasons that not everyone mentioned is that some people have a long ignore list, and this list may contain accounts that make high-quality posts.
you may find that even  those accounts that are difficult to post spam will repeat above replies simply because they are on their ignore list.

This is something what I haven't thought about. But I'm not really sure that average user who is spamming for signature campaign actively maintains his ignore list.

[SamReomo]

  I post far more than necessary to earn the max at my campaign. But sometimes while reading all the posts in a three or four page thread the op locks the thread and my opportunity to post on the thread is gone.
 It is really fucking annoying to read for 20 minutes and type for 5 more and the thread gets locked .

Yeah, I have seen your posts and I can surely say that you don't really post in order to reach your min or max campaign posts requirements and I believe that you enjoy posting more and surely most of your posts are highly constructive without any doubt.

Yeah, it's quite annoying to give time to a thread and read most of its posts and when writing your post the thread gets locked by the OP. Although, that never happened with me but I can feel that how annoying it could be.

[philipma1957]

  I post far more than necessary to earn the max at my campaign. But sometimes while reading all the posts in a three or four page thread the op locks the thread and my opportunity to post on the thread is gone.
 It is really fucking annoying to read for 20 minutes and type for 5 more and the thread gets locked .

Yeah, I have seen your posts and I can surely say that you don't really post in order to reach your min or max campaign posts requirements and I believe that you enjoy posting more and surely most of your posts are highly constructive without any doubt.

Yeah, it's quite annoying to give time to a thread and read most of its posts and when writing your post the thread gets locked by the OP. Although, that never happened with me but I can feel that how annoying it could be.

It does not happen often but it does happen obviously one reason is the time I am spending on the forum. The posting counts are more that 10 a day for 4000 days. So with over 45000 posts made getting locked out has happened maybe every other month nah maybe every 3 months. Since pisses me off every time.

[_BlackStar]

I'm about to send a PM to the manager so he doesn't pay him for that post.

What do you think about this?

Do you remember the forum rules guidelines? Of course you should keep that in mind - so just report the post to the moderators and let them get the post deleted for being off-topic or of zero value.

The second point of the forum rules: Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ

2. No off-topic posts.

[Synchronice]

This is the second time in a short time that I've seen someone comment on a thread on the first page without having read the previous comments. Does this happen a lot?

I think it's normal that if you comment on page 7 of a thread you're interested in, you should read at least the first page and the page you're going to comment on, or pages 1-2 and 6-7, because in general, when a thread gets longer nobody reads all the pages, especially if you're commenting for the first time.

Or click on All next to the thread page numbers and quickly view left posts. Ignore button is a good option to sort spammers and see only genuine posts, it really saves time.

This also happens in other forums, and it is something we have commented on in our local board. Here the payment for signature campaigns may have an influence, but I visit other forums and if I comment on a thread for the first time on page 23, there's no way I've read the previous 23 pages.

One can't read responses of topic that has tens of pages and usually it's really done for the purpose of sig campaigns to post in such a thread. There are only a few exceptions where topic is so interesting that you have to read all the pages like this one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5457560.0
Sometimes people just want to answer to particular post on the last page and that's all. Usually, when someone posts in multiple pages thread without quoting someone, that person is just spamming.

I'm about to send a PM to the manager so he doesn't pay him for that post.

Logically, it's manager's interest to hire a high quality posters whose posts don't get ignored and people see them. When manager chooses low quality posters, campaign won't succeed and automatically this manager won't receive new customers because of low success rate. Just a natural selection, I guess. Problem will be solved without reporting over time.

[Tuturtinular]

This is the second time in a short time that I've seen someone comment on a thread on the first page without having read the previous comments. Does this happen a lot?

Yes, I think that happens often. However, when the post contains opinions or expects opinions from other members, then we don't need to read previous opinions because everyone definitely has their own opinion and doesn't have to agree with the previous opinion. However, if the discussion is about an investigation then we cannot just post it without reading other comments because usually investigations are related to each other's comments to support the results of the investigation.

However, in general, we should read the previous comments, not necessarily all of them but some so that we know the extent of the discussion. However, in my opinion, there is no need to report the post to the campaign manager if the member does not make it a habit because we know that under certain conditions he may be pursuing a posting target for the campaign. However, if it has become a habit, the member needs to be reminded

[Zoomic]

Bitcointalk is where you will see different people saying the same things in different ways in the same thread. There are people who has no clue of what to contribute in an ongoing conversation, so they wait till the thread spans to 5pages and above, they will simply rephrase someone's else idea and get paid for it. There are users who set notification in order to be the first persons to reply to a post or atleast be on the first page. There are people who do not care about the ongoing conversation, they will just read the Op and drop their own opinion and move their way. They may never return even if they are mentioned or quoted severally.

As LoyceV will say, the freedom enjoyed in this forum is second to none. OP, you cannot force people to read conversations they aren't interested in. If their posts are on point, nice, if not report to a moderator.

[Richbased]

I think OPs of a thread are to lock the thread whenever it reaches a certain number of pages and his question is answered already. If anyone does have anything else to say, he can create another thread for his issue.

You have a very good point because that's what causes spamming because often times when a thread is created and the OP intentions is to get good answers from different users as soon as the question of the OP is being answered you see most users almost saying same thing over and over again so if an OP has achieved the level of information they requires in a thread, locking it just as you said is the best option in other to avoid spamming the thread.

[Helena Yu]

Many users mention to use report to moderator button, I disagree since this button doesn't work when you report a post in less moderation sections. As long as you're not post in a row, commit plagiarism, using AI, one liner post, share refs link, or begging, your post high likely will not be deleted.

Ignore the users who is having the only intention of trolling and for that ignore option is really helpful but to tackle spammers report to moderators should be the tool, and if the user is having this as habit then eventually they will be in the risk of getting temp banned at least for multiple deleted reports for spam as reason.

Ignore will not solve the case.

There are many times has been mentioned spammer would get temporary banned, the question who's the user that get temporary banned due to spam in the past 2 years?